Currently the Nephilim Mercenaries are not working as intended. Due to this fact, they can be abused and trained (dragged) into town.
All future attempts to “train” siege mobs into town will be dealt with by the GM team. The handling of similar incidents will vary depending on the situation but will include the following:
<ul type="square"> De-spawning of particular castle NPCs. (The offending clan will forfeit all funds to de-spawned NPCs.) Punishing the player(s) that attempt to train siege mobs into town.
Any previous incident of this happening is considered fair play as this bug was unknown and could be considered a misinterpretation of current server policy on “mob trains.”
We need to research, test and confirm info before we respond willy nilly to things.
No only if we players could learn to do the same rather than engage in apocalyptic pronouncements about the evils of NCSoft and this being the end of L2 as we know it.
Shame on you is much to weak of a reprimand in my opinion. People who take advantage of weaknesses in the game programming to grief afk players in a SAFE ZONE are the lowest scum I've ever had the misfortune to step on. At minimum they should have been temp-banned for a few weeks and all their profits from this should have been forcibly removed from their account.
Why ask a question when one already knows the answer to it?
"We dont care, it's too much work."
It ****** me off to no end when things like this happen, in my last RPG I ran a guild, the Vampiric()Elite, and if anyone tried anything like this, we didnt need GM intervention because they would not last in-game for more then a month at max. A small 15-20 man guild, all either top 10 charas or within a level or two of top 10. We would police the mines to prevent griefing, hunt down pkers and kill them to put them in jail, hunt down griefers and kill them repeatedly, etc.
It annoys me to no end that here I am not of a level to do this here, no-one else seems to give enough of a [censored] to make a difference, and the gms dont care either.
I get frustrated when stuff like this goes on, the gms give everyone a pat on the back and say "sucks to be you" and the culprits get off with hundreds of millions of adena in profit.
Let me tell yah.... I know i will never make a difference in this game ever. But that doesn't stop me from asking the "Why" on the messageboards looking for a detailed reason "Why not".
But i never go in with the "they dont care" outlook on things. Believe it or not, but there are caring people on the other side of those monitors.
That's what annoys me a bit, too. Sure - I can understand the decision to not punish the players who trained the mob because they did not know it would be considered an exploit in the future, and that the behaviour of the mob was not intended this way (although common sense should have told them so...).
But what about the people who lost millions of adena through this incident? They lost items due to a BUG. Shouldn't they be compensated?
As I said, I believe the answer to that question was already given by Spam: The benefit of the doubt. Although it is clear that this was a vicious action, the people in question didn't think it was an exploit. People aren't punished for using unknown exploits because you might catch someone who is innocent.
This is the same reason so many bots slip by, I believe - if there is a doubt, no punishment is handed out. And if you're trying to prove intent of exploitation in doing something on which there was not yet an official statement at the time, you'll come up with an awful lot of doubt.
Lol, the people who did it knew well that it was an exploit. They used to train lord ishika to giran and took the independance day mobs into the towns.
They have done it before and knew it got patched. When they found out the mob was bugged they took advantage of it and threatened prophets to buff it or die and dragged it through.
I've been playing on and off since its release, and quit many times due to this attitude. The only reason my return has lasted so long this time is due to the wonderful clan I am in, and me attempting to keep my deep dislike and distrust of the company and my enjoyment of the game seperated.
I do realize this often colors my posts in ways I do not intend, and I cannot help that. I appologize to anyone who is offended by the truth of what I say, and to those who read other meanings into my statements.
I just find it interesting that we the NA player base are able to find and twist the unknown to a persons advantage more then any other player base it seems like. And this won't be the first time.
In a way it feels as we are nothing but just one big test server, finding all the unknown exploits for all the other versions of L2. :(
Any previous incident of this happening is considered fair play as this bug was unknown and could be considered a misinterpretation of current server policy on “mob trains.”
-HGMspam
Mob trains, intended to kill other players, in particular PVE-player, are never fair play.
Re-read my post. I don't like that the people who did this aren't being punished, I know that they knew it was nasty.
But that doesn't mean they knew it was an exploit (I expect if they thought it was a classified (bannable) exploit, they wouldn't risk getting themselves banned).
Re-read my post. I don't like that the people who did this aren't being punished, I know that they knew it was nasty.
But that doesn't mean they knew it was an exploit (I expect if they thought it was a classified (bannable) exploit, they wouldn't risk getting themselves banned).
Yes, I think punishment is in order.
Yes, I also understand why none is being given.
And also... even if they KNEW it was an exploit... you have to be able to prove that... not provable (or very hard).
Thank you, that is a very positive reply...I would have liked to have seen them lose their 400 million adena spoils from it and/or there be reimbursement, but this is a very good step in the right direction.
Thank you, that is a very positive reply...I would have liked to have seen them lose their 400 million adena spoils from it and/or there be reimbursement, but this is a very good step in the right direction.
Lol, says the man who when NCSoft closed down the "hatchling exploit" came on to these boards asking if anyone had found a new one.
I guess using bugs is ok if no one else loses anything huh?
So what does my friend do that is new to the game and whom lost his weapon that was for sale so he could upgrade? No he has nothing to level (play) with. GG NC :confused:
I am very confused... what are the Nephilim Mercenaries, and someone explain the situation to me so that i don't get banned or punished by a law i wasn't aware of O.o ?
They are a raid mob intended for sieges, if dawn wins the seal of strife, they can hire mercainarys to help defend their castle.
what they did was draged one of these mobs into the town of giran(knowen to be afk econimy capitals of aden).
They did this meliously intent on the gains of the people who died at the hands of a mob. I heard people droping +6 CD with MM, I personly droped a nessen earing from my alt.
The problem with this is the people in valved in this expoilt are all in one alliance, the ones that hold 3 of the most powerfull castles.
They also used lvl 4 and under alts (expoilting the lucky charm). to run around and spam pick up.
The people who where invalved in this "town raid event" should be band no questions asked!!
Thank you, that is a very positive reply...I would have liked to have seen them lose their 400 million adena spoils from it and/or there be reimbursement, but this is a very good step in the right direction.
Lol, says the man who when NCSoft closed down the "hatchling exploit" came on to these boards asking if anyone had found a new one.
I guess using bugs is ok if no one else loses anything huh?
Ok, I guess I say it then...
This is a step in the right direction, would have from been nice to see them loose the 400mil spoils from it and /or reimbursement.
Currently the Nephilim Mercenaries are not working as intended. Due to this fact, they can be abused and trained (dragged) into town.
All future attempts to “train” siege mobs into town will be dealt with by the GM team. The handling of similar incidents will vary depending on the situation but will include the following:
<ul type="square"> De-spawning of particular castle NPCs. (The offending clan will forfeit all funds to de-spawned NPCs.) Punishing the player(s) that attempt to train siege mobs into town.
Any previous incident of this happening is considered fair play as this bug was unknown and could be considered a misinterpretation of current server policy on “mob trains.”
-HGMspam
Thank you Spam for this decision. It was a step in the right direction indeed. And just maybe encouraged me and others to re-think leaving L2 after all. Harsher punishment(s) to the offenders may have been warmer welcomed here & reimbursement to those who lost their shirts, a kind hand up & show of good faith.
May future acts of this kind be dealt with accordingly, and a lesson to think twice b4 pulling something that actually gets an account, clan, or alliance banned seriously considered first.
GL to those who take the challenge to enter Erica.
:)
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That's what annoys me a bit, too. Sure - I can understand the decision to not punish the players who trained the mob because they did not know it would be considered an exploit in the future, and that the behaviour of the mob was not intended this way (although common sense should have told them so...).
But what about the people who lost millions of adena through this incident? They lost items due to a BUG. Shouldn't they be compensated?
This is not RL. Just like a lot of the victims in arears that have been hit hard by Mother nature and insurance was the last thing on their mind.
And can you imagine the work hours that NC-Soft has to put in to locate every item? I know its harsh. ANd its easy to sit here smiling going whew at least it wasnt me.
And NCsoft isnt going to punish those people by removing the items. Simply because they did not know it was a bug. And bringing mobs into towns is legit. So their stance is neutral on the first attempt. But lets see anyone trying it again.
on topic: sorry to say this but the servers ar OPEN PVP end how that we kill an ohter player is totaly free, so why in the hell can't we drag monsters into town if the games allows it !!! saying that you get punished for doing so is totaly BS, if you don't like it then make the gaurds attack all incomming monsters or let monsters respawn upon entering towns (meaning back to its original spawn spot)... yeah i know it sux big time wakeing up and see that half your inventory is missing, but nobody sayed that afk shops in town was safe !!
its simple if you can train players outside town then in my book you can train em aswell as IN town.
But that just me.
at the disaster in US: i'm sorry to hear/see that on TV :/, i wish you all good luck on the recovery .. hey did you know ur country sended the best medic's we have to help you guys out.
my condolences to the victems. <-- i hope i wrote this right
Mobtrains into town are in no way shape or form forbidden. Mobtrains without risk to the trainer with a particular mob that was only intended for one particular situation are forbidden.
on topic: sorry to say this but the servers ar OPEN PVP end how that we kill an ohter player is totaly free, so why in the hell can't we drag monsters into town if the games allows it !!! saying that you get punished for doing so is totaly BS, if you don't like it then make the gaurds attack all incomming monsters or let monsters respawn upon entering towns (meaning back to its original spawn spot)... yeah i know it sux big time wakeing up and see that half your inventory is missing, but nobody sayed that afk shops in town was safe !!
its simple if you can train players outside town then in my book you can train em aswell as IN town.
But that just me.
at the disaster in US: i'm sorry to hear/see that on TV :/, i wish you all good luck on the recovery .. hey did you know ur country sended the best medic's we have to help you guys out.
my condolences to the victems. <-- i hope i wrote this right
You need to read a bit better before responding.
HGMSpam stated that dragging this mob into town was deemed missuse hence you are not to drag it as you would abuse the game aka exploit. Allso towns are deemed peace-zones. As you as a player are unable to attack people inside the peace-zone the use of mobs is at best imo exploiting.
I hope this will indeed be chanced into the future. In my view the guards should indeed kill all mobs entering towns. I like to be able to set up shop while playing my second account to earn a buck. Allso alot of people surely like to play when online aka lvl/pvp/pk (altho that's not my style) then wasting online time staring at the computer screen waiting for others to buy stuff from their shops or use the service of a crafter.
Lastly IF this game was complete open PVP then you would be able to drag mobs to the Race-track or into the festival rooms too. I like to see you try. This allready shows me your logic is flawed.
Verder kan ik je wel vertellen dat ik dus wel een nederlands woord kan schrijven dus je sign is op zijn best totale onzin.
Leer je engels.
Glad to see that this will not be allowed in the future. I think we can all find this a very positvive thing.
Remains the trouble this brought to legit gamers (I dont care about the farmers) and the punishments of the players involved. All evidence points to the fact that they used this exploit willingly. I think you should be able to punish those involved in a thing they know is a bug, even if it is not yet recognized as such.
This is not a court of law and you have to power to invoke justice here.
Wasn't training it into Dion first the discovery of the bug, and the train into Giran the exploit? Or Im I to believe that those two seperate towns were both accidental?
Well its good to see it been determined as a bug, and that it will not be permitted in the future.
Step in the right direction, but still the current offenders walk away scot free and with all the shop drops. Shame they don't get punished in one form or another.
Offending party has made it very clear in both offical forums and nonoffical forums that they intended to use exploit and force players to quit. Erica has worse scum imaginible playing the game. If you doubt me, then I can give u some links of posts where they are counting how many people left the server over this.
What you can't prove they knew (although they obviously did) is that this is an exploit. That's why they are not being punished.
You could not really prove that the people who used the various exploits around didn't know.
Its obvious in this case, they even bragged about it.
Normally I wouldn't advocate punishment, but the community lost 400+ million adena worth of gear, if that even covers it...and the already cheating gained the same amount. This is not good. Compensation and/or punishment is not totally out of the way.
Still glad to see Spam take action, had this gone ahead, it would have totally messed up this game.
So what does my friend do that is new to the game and whom lost his weapon that was for sale so he could upgrade? No he has nothing to level (play) with. GG NC :confused:
Im still cusrious as to what my friend and others like him are going to do in this situation. Can any of you here put yourself in their shoes and remember when you first started out what this would be like? :confused:
Thank you, that is a very positive reply...I would have liked to have seen them lose their 400 million adena spoils from it and/or there be reimbursement, but this is a very good step in the right direction.
Lol, says the man who when NCSoft closed down the "hatchling exploit" came on to these boards asking if anyone had found a new one.
I guess using bugs is ok if no one else loses anything huh?
Ok, I guess I say it then...
This is a step in the right direction, would have from been nice to see them loose the 400mil spoils from it and /or reimbursement.
Happy Kari?
No, you never read my posts :(..if you did you'd know what would make me happy :p
It was a good way to grief all the farmers and adena sellers, by killing all those dorfs sitting in towns selling farmed items/materials...
But all you people are so selfish and only think about yourself, what about the greater good? If anything, the farmers have lost a whole lot more since they're the ones carrying 5+ A grade weapons, 30k+ Varnish and so on...
It's a player's responsibility to keep up to date on known exploit and not to use them - this wasn't one, now it is. And while they did brag about doing it, they mostly said it wasn't an exploit and people needed to shut up and stop whining because it was part of the game.
I am fairly certain that nobody would use an exploit that they know is a known exploit and come to brag about it on the official boards, seeing how that would be an instant ban.
No one here is advocating farmers. The ones we are concerned about are the legit players who lost months of hard work due to this bs move by a band of punks.
I'm no bot-lover, but it sickens me how often legit players are abused and then have their abusers excuse it away as a part of their anti-bot crusade.
I and the others on this topic are concerned for the legit players. For the pro-farmers, train in town is but a temporary annoyance. For the legit afk shop owners, it could be a game-ending experience.
If you can't understand that differentiation, it is your lacking, not ours.
The issue here isn't whether it was done consciously or not. There is no shadow of a doubt that these people knew they were training a mob into town.
What you can't prove they knew (although they obviously did) is that this is an exploit. That's why they are not being punished.
Exactly...
Look, I think it was a "scummy" thing to do but the reality is that this is not the fault of the players who did this. I imagine that they would have trained any monster had they known that there was a good chance it would kill people.
The real fault is NC Soft because they were not very detail oriented with regards to their design. At least not in this case.
Now, they say that Koreans don't do this because they actually siege castles. Once again we Westerners find the loophole it seems.
It is not the fault of the players who did this. They discovered it could be done and it is an open pvp game so they did it. Had NC Soft been more attentive they would have disabled the abiliity to train this thing or they would have made it so guards actually attack mobs that come into town.
And even though this thing is of Raid boss proportions, there never was any official posting stating "oh.. .by the way... this is considered an exploit therefore you better not use this mob in any way other than siege fighting".
Unfortunatly, this incident, like many others is usually discovered or dealt with "after the fact".
And since it is possible to train mobs into town anyway what would stop a group from training the hardest mobs they could find all the way across the map into some lowbe town and then kill yoiu and take your loot.
Nothing.
So this type of gameplay "is" part of the game. And yes, to many people it sucks. As I stated before, I think its scummy.
But, that is the game we play. Problem is so many people are caught up with this idea of "fighting honorably" (which I also extoll mind you) that we forget that there are people who don't want to "fight honorably". And that is what this game is about.
I know it's hard to come to terms with but this game is supposed to be far more brutal and unforgiving then we realize. It's just that a small segment of this population actually likes playing it that way.
As far as people who have lost their weapon and have nothing else... your choices are several fold:
Quit
See if some people can loan you a weapon or money.
Start a dwarf and make some money...
Start a new character with the idea of making money and doing quests to give to your main.
A while ago I had an alt (I usually delete my alts when they get about 20 so they never stick around) and I stripped him to give his stuff to my main to sell. Well... I decided I wanted to lvl him a bit again but didn't want to get him new equipment. I believe all he had was armor. He did however have his starter sword and dagger.
So, I took him to DEV, signed him up for the Fungus quests, zombie quests and did those for a while until I could upgrade his weapon... then I signed him up for the spider quest... which was a bit hard... and in that way I sort of experience what it was like to "start over'.
It was an interesting experiment. It is possible. It is also very tedious and time consuming and therefore not for everyone.
No one here is advocating farmers. The ones we are concerned about are the legit players who lost months of hard work due to this bs move by a band of punks.
I'm no bot-lover, but it sickens me how often legit players are abused and then have their abusers excuse it away as a part of their anti-bot crusade.
I and the others on this topic are concerned for the legit players. For the pro-farmers, train in town is but a temporary annoyance. For the legit afk shop owners, it could be a game-ending experience.
If you can't understand that differentiation, it is your lacking, not ours.
This is the very essence of an exploit, same as Ash described it. If I somehow make money wrap around so I get 2.5 billion adena, it may be part of the game, but by hell I would know it was an exploit, even more so if I repeated it on every character.
Did they stop and report it? no, they repeated it in other towns instead. Its already been stated elsewhere that they knew it was a total flaw in the game and they exploited it to the fullest.
As I said before, the decision is good about it being an exploit. But the decision of no punishment, and worse, no reimbursement...is not good, not to mention having about a billion adena change hands messes up the server even more than it already is.
that we forget that there are people who don't want to "fight honorably". And that is what this game is about.
Of course we haven't forgotten about that, we only have took look at the rampant ebaying and botting to see that...we only have see a certain J character on the server banned, only to have him back again right after and being in a-grade about a week later to see it. We only have to look at people who buy accounts for hardcore PvP and those who have half a dusin level 75 characters, to know people don't "fight honorably".
Ok, I'll accept the fact that they might have known it was an exploit and could have told NC Soft. However, NC Soft would have to prove that which would have been hard therefore no action was taken.
As far as all the money passing hands and messing up the game? No. It messes up the economy but not the game.
And by that I mean that this game is about anything you want.
By example... if there was an incredibly powerful alliance that stationed whole clans in the best hunting spots and "charged" for people to use those spots AND they couldn't be stopped so people paid it...
They would be getting an income that was greater than most clans alliances would get, not to mention manor and tax revenue. I imagine that that would start adding up quite nicely and quickly.
So the economy would be affected because they would be the higher elite rich but the game would not be because that is part of the game.
Tell that to the people that lost the armor or weapon they were selling to upgrade. That now is left with nothing. :)
Exactly what I trying to tell my friend that is not going to continue. He started out on the free 30 trial, grinded his way to 30 something with his very first character, now has no wep. to play and level with because he was selling it to upgrade. I think alot of people forget that some people are NEW and dont have other toons to compensate. Its like owning realestate in New Orleans with out having insurance. Poof, its gone :confused:
New players can easily replace their weapons - and if he's only level 30, tell him to come to a server with a working manor while he can. It'll see his pockets much fuller much quicker.
New players can easily replace their weapons - and if he's only level 30, tell him to come to a server with a working manor while he can. It'll see his pockets much fuller much quicker.
I love your advocacy for the manner system.
He wanted to play on Erica with his friends. Going to another server is not really an option for him. And in your mid 30's and weapon less, give some specifics as to how to replace that weapon?
One: delevel to a point where you can start to fight monsters with a low grade weapon...Say take yourself down to lvl 25 you can always regain levels plus your get more Skill Points that way.
Two: start another character and using that character to help rearm the one you lost your weapon on.
Going to convince him that he needs to try other characters. That way he will re-roll and not feel like all that time was wasted. Besides, I never liked DE's anyway :)
Wasn't training it into Dion first the discovery of the bug, and the train into Giran the exploit? Or Im I to believe that those two seperate towns were both accidental?
Well its good to see it been determined as a bug, and that it will not be permitted in the future.
Funny thing about this is that Dion was #2. The night before they hit Gludio. The folks in my alliance got hit hard in Gludio and Dion. We figured that Gludio was the test run and when they found out that it worked good the plan was set for the next day to hit Dion and Giran. So Dion and Giran would have been the exploit.
If you like I cant ry to pick out a manoring offer for him once Erica comes back up. There must be something worthwhile, especially for a newbie character.
Ok, I'll accept the fact that they might have known it was an exploit and could have told NC Soft. However, NC Soft would have to prove that which would have been hard therefore no action was taken.
NCSoft does not have to proof anything. This is not a court of law with high paid lawyers trying to find exploits int he ruling system.
The EULA is flexible enough to make any charge stick to them.
So NCSoft can dish out any punishment they want. They choose to do not take any punitive steps and that is wrong. People using an exploit to grief other players in a PvP game is bad for business as it undermines the integrity of the game.
Tell that to the people that lost the armor or weapon they were selling to upgrade. That now is left with nothing. :)
Hey... you're preaching to the choir here...
I really do think that that is a serious downfall to this game. That is my opinion and might be shared by some (most?). You can be very seriously "gimped" in this game on a moment's notice.
Let's say you are hunting, get killed, drop your weapon and a farmer (or other player) picks it up?
Same thing. You are screwed.
I almost feel that most players are here "until" that fateful day when all goes wrong.
There are players who really like this though. Occassionally you will see players request perma death, or the ability to raid corpses.
I personally would think that would suck. But others feel that that is what makes a game exciting.
Same with this instance. I personally feel this whole incident smells to high heaven. And whether or not they knew it was an exploit (or cared?) they seem to play the game in such a fashion as to take advantage of the darkest "play methods" of the game.
I'm not trying to defend what they did but that the game supports this type of play: ganking, training, scamming etc.
I feel we all play with some sort of blinders on in the hopes that it will never happen to us. But it's out there, there are players who like this, and though I find it unsportsmanlike it is hard to scold when that is what this game seems to be about.
Now whether or not they knew it was an exploit, well.. I can't speak to that. I know that some can and it is to them that that discussion can be continued.
But I wonder if this is akin to anyone in Real Life finding a wallet with 10,000 dollars in it and then either keeping it or reporting it.
People tend to take the path that is most rewarding or easy, regardless of what they "should" do.
Step in the right direction, but still the current offenders walk away scot free and with all the shop drops. Shame they don't get punished in one form or another.
Offending party has made it very clear in both offical forums and nonoffical forums that they intended to use exploit and force players to quit. Erica has worse scum imaginible playing the game. If you doubt me, then I can give u some links of posts where they are counting how many people left the server over this.
Jam
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
And Come on you must admit it was a funny sight to see all those dead shops still shouting "wts"
Thats an individual act, this is whole towns were talking about. If it was normal part of the game tactics, then fine, but they weren't. This is about as much a part of the game as other exploits are. At least the decision means that others won't emulate them...but they already got their gains from this, they will just move on to the next scam/exploit/cheat/bot.
Step in the right direction, but still the current offenders walk away scot free and with all the shop drops. Shame they don't get punished in one form or another.
Offending party has made it very clear in both offical forums and nonoffical forums that they intended to use exploit and force players to quit. Erica has worse scum imaginible playing the game. If you doubt me, then I can give u some links of posts where they are counting how many people left the server over this.
Jam
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
And Come on you must admit it was a funny sight to see all those dead shops still shouting "wts"
yeah, because AFK shops pose a HUUUUGE threat to a castle.
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
Let me get this straight. You were defending the castle then you took the boss into the town of that castle and killed people?
You just killed people you should have been defending!!!! That is your town..... :mad:
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
Let me get this straight. You were defending the castle then you took the boss into the town of that castle and killed people?
You just killed people you should have been defending!!!! That is your town..... :mad:
Splatter beat me to this...
These are your people who you tax and in return you shelter them. They bring goods into your city through the manor system.
You killed them. lol... talk about an Evil Despot!
Nah... I don't find other people's misery funny... however.... given the current lord of that castle I would find it somewhat of interest to approach the castle and see pikes lining the pathway with the town folks impaled...
Technically, it falls under training, so is NOT an exploit. But the decision to make it not allowed is understandable because that's certainly not what that mob was intended for, nor is it really possible for anyone to do anything about it once it begins. While it is a solution, it is certainly not the best one. Training is a valid tactic in the game, so it should be left as so. The developers made the error of allowing the siege mob to leave the siege field.
The easiest solution would likely be to make it so that the raid mob simply respawns at a certain point in the castle if it is dragged off of the siege field. By doing this, the line between 'training' and 'exploiting' doesn't get blurred. It's OK to train, but apparently only some of the time. Now there are specific rules? The same type of thing occured during the game's previous event in which mobs + raid bosses spawned outside of town. When the raid boss was hit while in town, it respawned immediately at it's original position.
Step in the right direction, but still the current offenders walk away scot free and with all the shop drops. Shame they don't get punished in one form or another.
Offending party has made it very clear in both offical forums and nonoffical forums that they intended to use exploit and force players to quit. Erica has worse scum imaginible playing the game. If you doubt me, then I can give u some links of posts where they are counting how many people left the server over this.
Jam
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
And Come on you must admit it was a funny sight to see all those dead shops still shouting "wts"
LMAO...wondering what was taking u so long to respond. Got real quiet real quick after this thread came to be.
Town is a safe zone, I dont see defends/attackers having open PvP in towns. Dragging the Mercinary into town was just the newest way to do what SP is notorious for. All the information I have at hand is ur friends took this exploit and allowed it to go rampid in all the local towns. YOU SAID IT URSELF THERE WAS NO ONE TO DEFEND AGAINST AND U GUYS GOT BORED....
So using the exploit on more than one town, brag about so much that I use ur own screenshots as evidence, make posts compairing resent disasters to this "Hurricane Katrina Strikes Erica Server", then brag about how many GMs were watching during the seige.
Well taking an advantage of an expoit, pour a ton salt onto the wound, and walk away with smack on ur hand. Truely this game has lack of any justice, GMs or ingame.
Step in the right direction, but still the current offenders walk away scot free and with all the shop drops. Shame they don't get punished in one form or another.
Offending party has made it very clear in both offical forums and nonoffical forums that they intended to use exploit and force players to quit. Erica has worse scum imaginible playing the game. If you doubt me, then I can give u some links of posts where they are counting how many people left the server over this.
Jam
It wasn't deemed an exploit when we did it so that's why, I still don't see it as an exploit, the boss was defending the castle at all cost even taking out the towns!
And Come on you must admit it was a funny sight to see all those dead shops still shouting "wts"
LMAO...wondering what was taking u so long to respond. Got real quiet real quick after this thread came to be.
Town is a safe zone, I dont see defends/attackers having open PvP in towns. Dragging the Mercinary into town was just the newest way to do what SP is notorious for. All the information I have at hand is ur friends took this exploit and allowed it to go rampid in all the local towns. YOU SAID IT URSELF THERE WAS NO ONE TO DEFEND AGAINST AND U GUYS GOT BORED....
So using the exploit on more than one town, brag about so much that I use ur own screenshots as evidence, make posts compairing resent disasters to this "Hurricane Katrina Strikes Erica Server", then brag about how many GMs were watching during the seige.
Well taking an advantage of an expoit, pour a ton salt onto the wound, and walk away with smack on ur hand. Truely this game has lack of any justice, GMs or ingame.
Jam
Yawn I am sorry did you say something I wasn't listening.
You know... after making my post regarding "Evil Despot" and "Pikes with the townspeople" on the path to the city/castle, I had a thought.
Though I don't agree with their methods I do agree that they should be allowed to "be" that type of lord.
Therefore... what happens when a cruel and merciless warlord takes over?
Well.. besides decimating the countryside, people try to leave.
So Leave... don't shop there, don't set up shops, don't use their manor system.
If all the populace of these towns are so enraged (and it seems that that would be putting it lightly) then go elsewhere. Don't put money into their pockets.
If you are going to complain (and rightly so) then also take action (unless you want to be like many in the U.S. who complain but never vote.)
well this topic went everywhere so im going to reply to how it started.
The training of mobs in town was sickening, there really should be a method fixed in the game so stuff like that doesnt happen. I had a buddy still on erica posting his gm responces on my forum and it looked like they didnt want to do anything to inprove gameplay so I'm very happy to see you all want to help. There is no real way to pay back these people who do this crap (ourselves) cause they have pushed the limits legit players can not reach and they teamed together to make them pretty untouchable (I say this cause one of his responces was "Your high enough lv to take care of it yourself " aka go kill them.
I hope you all are able to fix this so that setting up shop is safe cause im sure many sellers are not willing to set up shop and leave there comps now, and its a punishment to use reg. players to fear even the safe zones.
Thank you, that is a very positive reply...I would have liked to have seen them lose their 400 million adena spoils from it and/or there be reimbursement, but this is a very good step in the right direction.
Lol, says the man who when NCSoft closed down the "hatchling exploit" came on to these boards asking if anyone had found a new one.
I guess using bugs is ok if no one else loses anything huh?
Ok, I guess I say it then...
This is a step in the right direction, would have from been nice to see them loose the 400mil spoils from it and /or reimbursement.
Happy Kari?
No, you never read my posts :(..if you did you'd know what would make me happy :p
Kari.. Please..
You complained about his consern regarding the fact that the griefers still got what they wanted because he awhile back talked about the hatchling issue.
I really can't see how these two things are related in any way.
the fact you complained about his consern regarding the siege training issue and comparing it to the hatchling lvling exploit is beyond reasoning
Any previous incident of this happening is considered fair play as this bug was unknown and could be considered a misinterpretation of current server policy on “mob trains.”
-HGMspam
This is bad. You are just encouraging the exploiters to keep looking for new bugs and use them to grief people. People now know that as long as they can exploit, before it is officially declared as such, they will get away with it.
Server Police should get a medal for doing it and finding the bug. I think Ncsoft should take these guys and stick them on a test server for C4 to find all the bugs cause if anyones gonna find them it's gonna be them.
It was a good way to grief all the farmers and adena sellers, by killing all those dorfs sitting in towns selling farmed items/materials...
But all you people are so selfish and only think about yourself, what about the greater good? If anything, the farmers have lost a whole lot more since they're the ones carrying 5+ A grade weapons, 30k+ Varnish and so on...
And what about the legitimate craft shops? Real players who worked hard to get their levels. Right now the need for these shops, to craft A and B grade, is very high. These players will be dropping their own weapons, or the mats they have collected to craft their own equipment.
The idea that only the farmers lose out is very shortsighted.
NC doesn't need to give ServerPolice any medals. I'm sure they already picked up quite a few from the AFK shops that posed such a threat to them after they had them demolished.
They are griefing punks who pride themselves on exploiting and targeting the defenseless.
So, why give them a reward? Don't PvP them. They get the thrill of doing damage to you and at what risk? Their character shows a propensity to lie-cheat & steal their way back from any temporary loss they could get for the enjoyment of PvP.
Don't use their shops, don't siege their castles, don't use their manor. Leave when they come looking for a fight. Let them rot in their castle.
If you engage them, you reward them for their actions.
Now I know there will be people who want to flame me. Those people will either be from the SP camp (who would not want to deal with the boredom of such a stance despite the inevitable claims to the contrary). Or from those people who came to Erica looking for a challenge and sport and don't want to leave their hard work or honor behind by leaving.
To the former, your opinions are worthless to me.
To the latter I understand and sympathize. I've seen the tactic work in L2. Look at the lengths the dirtbags have to go for a little fun? You can stick it out on Erica, pvp and play with those other clans that like you are determined to stuff SP's tactics down their thraot by ignoring them.
Or come to a server that isn't ruined by the likes of SP and given up for dead by the GMs.
If you want to come and flame me for suggesting ignoring SP or leaving, then when you do, be sure to include what you have done to fight SP and how successful it has been.
They are griefing punks who pride themselves on exploiting and targeting the defenseless.
So, why give them a reward? Don't PvP them. They get the thrill of doing damage to you and at what risk? Their character shows a propensity to lie-cheat & steal their way back from any temporary loss they could get for the enjoyment of PvP.
Don't use their shops, don't siege their castles, don't use their manor. Leave when they come looking for a fight. Let them rot in their castle.
If you engage them, you reward them for their actions.
An excellent idea. I will be suggesting this to my clan and alliance. Why compete with people who have ebayed and botted their way to the top. Let them go kill each other for sprort.
Damm with all those chacters you have listed let him use one of yours. That is if he is a "FRIEND".
:p
So what does my friend do that is new to the game and whom lost his weapon that was for sale so he could upgrade? No he has nothing to level (play) with. GG NC :confused:
They are griefing punks who pride themselves on exploiting and targeting the defenseless.
So, why give them a reward? Don't PvP them. They get the thrill of doing damage to you and at what risk? Their character shows a propensity to lie-cheat & steal their way back from any temporary loss they could get for the enjoyment of PvP.
Don't use their shops, don't siege their castles, don't use their manor. Leave when they come looking for a fight. Let them rot in their castle.
If you engage them, you reward them for their actions.
Now I know there will be people who want to flame me. Those people will either be from the SP camp (who would not want to deal with the boredom of such a stance despite the inevitable claims to the contrary). Or from those people who came to Erica looking for a challenge and sport and don't want to leave their hard work or honor behind by leaving.
To the former, your opinions are worthless to me.
To the latter I understand and sympathize. I've seen the tactic work in L2. Look at the lengths the dirtbags have to go for a little fun? You can stick it out on Erica, pvp and play with those other clans that like you are determined to stuff SP's tactics down their thraot by ignoring them.
Or come to a server that isn't ruined by the likes of SP and given up for dead by the GMs.
If you want to come and flame me for suggesting ignoring SP or leaving, then when you do, be sure to include what you have done to fight SP and how successful it has been.
Best of luck to you on Erica.
This is the best post yet. I hope all you people on erica listen to this guy and quit the server.
NC doesn't need to give ServerPolice any medals. I'm sure they already picked up quite a few from the AFK shops that posed such a threat to them after they had them demolished.
As I said before, the decision is good about it being an exploit. But the decision of no punishment, and worse, no reimbursement...is not good, not to mention having about a billion adena change hands messes up the server even more than it already is.
Reimbursement should be an absolute minimum. There's not even a point in discussing it.
Of course it requires IQ or a hummingbird to realise it, reimburse players, punish exploiters. But it also requires some effort and good will. Virtues not to be found in NC. At least in part responsible for L2.
Saying that's not an exploit, is like saying that duping is not an exploint until it's reported. Actually it isn't far from what NC did - weeks of reporting since closed beta, to only hear official "there's no duping in L2". It took players posting dupe howtos on official boards to make NC actually do something. That was pathetic....
Server Police should get a medal for doing it and finding the bug. I think Ncsoft should take these guys and stick them on a test server for C4 to find all the bugs cause if anyones gonna find them it's gonna be them.
I just love how this person rationalizes things in his/her own mind.
If someone with a brain had found this out through experimentation they would have not killed people in two towns.
You yourself Josephine said that the people and you took 30 or so to train it to town, then Dion was not enough you had to continue your bug test on Giran? Geniuses in progress.
The sad thing is that they are still proud about it. Secure in the knowledge that they got away with this onc emore. Secure that they can misuse any other bugs they can find to grief others without any fear for gm's interfering.
In the meanwhile good players are leaving the game in disgust. And I bet they are just laughing about this. Laughing about NC Soft and about us, who are talking to a blind wall.
As i see it Erica can do 3 things. Roll over and die and let the villains 'win' and grief you whenever they like.
Or let them win and abandon the server. Plenty of fun mmorpgs to be found elsewhere and plenty of better servers as well. Being the rulers of an empty server aint much fun.
Or zerg them. All alliances and the whole server in it. Zerg them. Run them out of their castles pk them everywhere you see, train them, scam them, make alliances with the farmers if you have to. But wipe them of your server.
I have seen allmighty alliances topple with regularity on other servers.
*Looks up* Yeesh, Elro's getting an NCSoft sandwich up here.
On topic: what ever the topic is, I'm against it.
and im sure its not quite the sandwich you were hoping for eh? ;)
*Looks at Miykael*
"Back off man, it may work with the girls, but not me."
*Back on topic*
I'm still against it the topic. It's a nerf. It rewards farmers. It does nothing to stop botting. It's racist. It's an exploit. It makes LC666 happy. Did I miss any?
*Looks up* Yeesh, Elro's getting an NCSoft sandwich up here.
On topic: what ever the topic is, I'm against it.
and im sure its not quite the sandwich you were hoping for eh? ;)
*Looks at Miykael*
"Back off man, it may work with the girls, but not me."
*Back on topic*
I'm still against it the topic. It's a nerf. It rewards farmers. It does nothing to stop botting. It's racist. It's an exploit. It makes LC666 happy. Did I miss any?
Of course there will be some new uniting of alliances. Just little POed that SP members go unpunished, but as last posts have pointed out there is no seriousness to the situation.
Sovrath:
Therefore... what happens when a cruel and merciless warlord takes over?
Well.. besides decimating the countryside, people try to leave.
So Leave... don't shop there, don't set up shops, don't use their manor system.
If all the populace of these towns are so enraged (and it seems that that would be putting it lightly) then go elsewhere. Don't put money into their pockets.
If you are going to complain (and rightly so) then also take action.
I got one better Sovrath....
Be free from taxation show joe you will not stand for this, set up your shops in elmore. Where the tyrant castle lords can not tax you....
JoeInsane:
Server Police should get a medal for doing it and finding the bug. I think Ncsoft should take these guys and stick them on a test server for C4 to find all the bugs cause if anyones gonna find them it's gonna be them.
And this is to you to joeinsane.......
There you go joe hows that for sticking it to the server police?
Of course there will be some new uniting of alliances. Just little POed that SP members go unpunished, but as last posts have pointed out there is no seriousness to the situation.
Jam
Bah you will do the same thing you have been doing the whole time on the server, Roll over and except your fate.
Sovrath:
Therefore... what happens when a cruel and merciless warlord takes over?
Well.. besides decimating the countryside, people try to leave.
So Leave... don't shop there, don't set up shops, don't use their manor system.
If all the populace of these towns are so enraged (and it seems that that would be putting it lightly) then go elsewhere. Don't put money into their pockets.
If you are going to complain (and rightly so) then also take action.
I got one better Sovrath....
Be free from taxation show joe you will not stand for this, set up your shops in elmore. Where the tyrant castle lords can not tax you....
JoeInsane:
Server Police should get a medal for doing it and finding the bug. I think Ncsoft should take these guys and stick them on a test server for C4 to find all the bugs cause if anyones gonna find them it's gonna be them.
And this is to you to joeinsane.......
There you go joe hows that for sticking it to the server police?
haha I love how none of you even have a clue who I am but what ever,
As far as setting up shops in elemore, go for it, I don't give a ****, just remember one thing You gotta teleport through a castle town to get to elemore, and guess what, teleports are taxed hahah. You get to pay either way.
As far as setting up shops in elemore, go for it, I don't give a ****, just remember one thing You gotta teleport through a castle town to get to elemore, and guess what, teleports are taxed hahah
And thats all your get! You self righteous [Beep] LoL
The worst thing is no one is going to do a **** thing about it.
This alliance has been doing the same BS fo rthe last year.
Not one of the people on the dusk side gets what this is ment here.
Your ignorece is just as strong as it was before, and quite frankly I'm sick of being pushed over by them [censored].
If you want to deal with them stop the BS focking alliances,stop the 5 clans in one alliace that has 10 people or less.
Build your alliance from all people ina all clans that have 60+, make them into one alliance, fill out your clans to max compasity (40), make your clans so every one thats in them will be on at the same time as the sieges.
From your clans to be perfect party clans.
Get every one in you clans on vent.
Get your high lvl toons to 61, p lvl them share acc's.. do what ever you need to, They do it, and it's why they hold out so well.
Stop being pig headed dumb [censored] and leting them run over us!
Form partys all day to greif them, pk, pvp them. Do what they do on bartz...
Learn to share amoungts your clan, if some one needs 400k give it to them, some one loses a earing get him a new one.
Get it tho your freaking heads, do what you got to but stop leting them run over us, I'm sick of it!!!
The worst thing is no one is going to do a **** thing about it.
This alliance has been doing the same BS fo rthe last year.
Not one of the people on the dusk side gets what this is ment here.
Your ignorece is just as strong as it was before, and quite frankly I'm sick of being pushed over by them [censored].
If you want to deal with them stop the BS focking alliances,stop the 5 clans in one alliace that has 10 people or less.
Build your alliance from all people ina all clans that have 60+, make them into one alliance, fill out your clans to max compasity (40), make your clans so every one thats in them will be on at the same time as the sieges.
From your clans to be perfect party clans.
Get every one in you clans on vent.
Get your high lvl toons to 61, p lvl them share acc's.. do what ever you need to, They do it, and it's why they hold out so well.
Stop being pig headed dumb [censored] and leting them run over us!
Form partys all day to greif them, pk, pvp them. Do what they do on bartz...
Learn to share amoungts your clan, if some one needs 400k give it to them, some one loses a earing get him a new one.
Get it tho your freaking heads, do what you got to but stop leting them run over us, I'm sick of it!!!
Thanks for typing that you saved me the trouble of doing it.
Finally someone with a clue. The only way to win is if you play them at their own game.
The worst thing is no one is going to do a **** thing about it.
This alliance has been doing the same BS fo rthe last year.
Not one of the people on the dusk side gets what this is ment here.
Your ignorece is just as strong as it was before, and quite frankly I'm sick of being pushed over by them [censored].
Get it tho your freaking heads, do what you got to but stop leting them run over us, I'm sick of it!!!
Umm no offence, but you joined an alliance that are old time buddies with SP. Kinda being hypicritcal.
Dusk will get it's act straightened out sooner or later, reason we are extremely ****** is the used of this exploit and the responce afterward from it. There was no reason to pull their castle mercinary on not just one, but TWO towns. They picked up any drops from the dead players stores(and yes farmer shops) and players just in town at the bad time, then go on a blatten campaign to piss people to get off the server and make a stupid comparison to the resent hurcaine tradegy. ServerPolice has the market for being Evil, but exploiting the mercinary is just rediculas.
The worst thing is no one is going to do a **** thing about it.
This alliance has been doing the same BS fo rthe last year.
Not one of the people on the dusk side gets what this is ment here.
Your ignorece is just as strong as it was before, and quite frankly I'm sick of being pushed over by them [censored].
If you want to deal with them stop the BS focking alliances,stop the 5 clans in one alliace that has 10 people or less.
Build your alliance from all people ina all clans that have 60+, make them into one alliance, fill out your clans to max compasity (40), make your clans so every one thats in them will be on at the same time as the sieges.
From your clans to be perfect party clans.
Get every one in you clans on vent.
Get your high lvl toons to 61, p lvl them share acc's.. do what ever you need to, They do it, and it's why they hold out so well.
Stop being pig headed dumb [censored] and leting them run over us!
Form partys all day to greif them, pk, pvp them. Do what they do on bartz...
Learn to share amoungts your clan, if some one needs 400k give it to them, some one loses a earing get him a new one.
Get it tho your freaking heads, do what you got to but stop leting them run over us, I'm sick of it!!!
Thanks for typing that you saved me the trouble of doing it.
Finally someone with a clue. The only way to win is if you play them at their own game.
Grid, you hit the nail on the head. Want to take part, pm me here.
Well from the screenshots, it looks like bofa is the one controlling the monster and if anyone should be banned, it should start with him. He obviously knew what he was doing that was wrong. :mad:
You know... after making my post regarding "Evil Despot" and "Pikes with the townspeople" on the path to the city/castle, I had a thought.
Though I don't agree with their methods I do agree that they should be allowed to "be" that type of lord.
Therefore... what happens when a cruel and merciless warlord takes over?
Well.. besides decimating the countryside, people try to leave.
So Leave... don't shop there, don't set up shops, don't use their manor system.
If all the populace of these towns are so enraged (and it seems that that would be putting it lightly) then go elsewhere. Don't put money into their pockets.
If you are going to complain (and rightly so) then also take action (unless you want to be like many in the U.S. who complain but never vote.)
I know I buy all my materials in the dwarf town just so that SP does not get any money from me. I refuse to buy anything in Giran or any town right now other than the starting towns. Not like my boycott is making a huge difference, but it is just the principle of not buying from the lowest form of humans (slime molds might rank higer than these people) that exist that keeps me going back to going back to the start towns.