Hi
I'm writing to you because I'd like to express the feeling of many european players on Lionna.
As you can see, out of the 6 castles, 4 of them are controlled by european players (Gludio, Dion, Innadrill and Giran). The sieges are held at 05:00 am on sunday finishing at 07:00 am and on monday, start at 01:00 am to finish at 03:00 am. (GMT+1)
What I'm trying to say that the european community seems to be much more important than you expected. The current schedule seemS to favour a lot the West coast, Australia and... Asia. I am wondering if you could run a check and see how many european customers you have on Lionna and see if the schedul can reajusted.
I know that you'll say "well, despite the hard schedule, europeans managed to take 4 castles..." but that's not my point. My point is since there's no character transfer like in other mmo such as World of Warcraft so maybe you could retarget the server to the majority community (meaning Europe and East coast).
We are not asking for a drastic change and make Lionna 100% euro... we're only asking to adjust the time because 05:00 am for the manor system everyday, sieges etc... that's just ridiculous.
Thank you for your time, many europeans in many forums are waiting for your reply.
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Agree, it's also pretty late for usa east coast, siege are at 11pm on saturday, same thing for event like Devasted castle at midnight. Everything is done for west coast.
/signed
I was wondering if you could delete all toons with an Invincible tag. They act like jerks and make fun of me on the forums, thereby making me depressed in real life and not being able to perform certain everyday functions. This is not what a video game should do. Also, please delete all toons that roleplay and are now "leading" an alliance since they are just roleplaying their way to the toilet. Also, I find that items such as armor and weapons and port costs are very expensive. I have learned that such high costs are also due to the new farmers in the Invincible alliance (Bey0nd), thereby necesitating their deletion from the Lionna server even more.
please add more strategy to the game starting with sieges.
Please block out all attack/defenders until siege starts
Please get rid of the shoot in from outside exploit k thanks
Please make all castle siege times random times and nonpickable. TY
They have a European server already. Why change an already stable server and make the others suffer just cause you feel you are suffering.
Your reasons for wanting this change are invalid since by changing it all you are doing is inconviencing the other half of the people.
You can not please 100% of the people all the time. There is a European server. Why not go to it if this is such a big deal for you?
Not going to agree to this because you don't care how this comes back on other people, you know, in other time zones. Also I wouldn't say Europeans hold a majority on the server and using that "fact" to support your arguement is crazy.
Siege times should be random, even if it makes it so you cannot defend because you decided to be a pansy and put sleep first. At least then the castles would have a higher chance of changing hands and having more pvp like everyone seems to want.
you guys from west coast - asia must understand that it's easier for you to siege in the afternoon, than us sieging at 5 am. Sieges are on weekend so i WONT affect you, while it affect a lot of people on monday morning.
I'm not gonna talk about Teon since it came out months after lionna and when one knows how much time it takes to level, you do NOT want to reroll (sorry if you disagree, we're not all hardcore gamers without life).
This does not only include sieges, but also stronghold, nurka, events, manor etc etc etc. We've been quiet for months and now that most euro own siege, i think it clearly shows GMs that we're a big part of the server.
Please remember, we're NOT asking to make Lionna a 100% euro server, we're asking GMs to be bit open with the schedule and again, it wont affect the west coast - asia THAT much as instead of sieging the evening, you'll be sieging the afternoon which is MUCH better than sieging at 5 am, or going to sleep at 3 am on Monday. it's a win-win petition, i dont see what you guys have to lose by moving the schedule A BIT earlier.
The fact that European players own castles is not a deciding arguement. How many of the European players are on every siege day, checking IP addresses, seeing who else aids them (from other Timezones either NA or otherwise). Just owning a castles says nothing of what happened along the way to getting it in the 2h allocated for siege time.
That said, yes siege times are rather late for some timezones, including EST possibly CST of NA. But you can't please everyone. Only way to make it fair would be the random siege timeslot idea (there would be a limited number of siege timeslots but over a longer period of time during say a half day period). That also requires probably more work than benefit.
Another point is, if the server siege times were set according to the amount of active IP addresses based on geographic regions, I bet the majority of people who might siege castles would be very upset.
Ransul, you're right 100%... you cant please everyone... right now, i'm just trying to figure out and see if that "everyone" counts more of Euro-east coast US, or more west-coast-asia.
as i said, the "penalty" would be much less tiring for the west coast than right now for the euros/east coast.
Getting up at 3am for a siege sux big time :mad:
Going to sleep at 3am with work the next day sux more! :mad:
Dont start with TEON.. would you stop playinga lvl50+ account to start from scratch again ??
Give us Char transfers and Teon might work, otherwise teon is just a joke
I am playing Lineage II since the Closed Beta (even did the Opened Japanese beta).
I've done the Opened Beta, Prelude, Chronicle 1, Chronicle 2, Chronicle 3.
I am today a member of Guillotines the clan owning Innadril Castle, in alliance Invincible, the alliance owning Aden Castle.
All my friends are on Lionna. There is not enough room on Teon for rerolling there with all my friends (Teon is often Normal/Full at the times I play, when Lionna is Good/Normal). And beeing a casual gamer, I don't wish to reroll from the beginning (my main char is only level 48, my other chars are below level 30).
In more than one year I did... 1 siege, because I cannot play in the middle of the night. I'd like to participate more in the activity of the server, but I can't. Everthing happens when I sleep.
Changing the times a couple hours earlier would be great. You americans, don't you remember how nice it was to siege on saturday then go out and have a party after?!
/signed too :) would be nice to siege at normal times and to be able to do some parties after and not having to go to bed right away cause its 3 am
and I never join Dion siege cause 5-7 am is really too late when you have to work or study
We are not asking for an euro time, but something more between West and euro; that will fit the Est US custumer as well as us euro and I dont think it will be much a problem for West either since it would be at the end of afternoon on Week-end.
east coast Sandron, midnight event is not cool, while it's late afternoon for west coast, so let it be late afternoon for east and beginning afternoon for west then everybody is happy. It's not all euro.
yea ill agree that midnight for DC is a little ridiculous
11pm sieges kinda late
but cmon. you all arent here to help the east coast players
youre here for yourselves
and ive never said go play teon to any euro. thats just not realistic.
I understand the time issue but im just saying these threads would pop up all the time starting about a month into C1
As far as it being an american game. Yes thank you awesome for clarifying that this game is developed by the koreans
However the target audience for this server is North America. So they set event times that will appeal to as many potential NA players as possible
Sandron, even if they based it on east coast time ( which is still American ) it will still benefit them by being set back four hours then the usual time for then. No harm done....
I myself and am east coast player and I would love to see this happen.
Sandron, even if they based it on east coast time ( which is still American ) it will still benefit them by being set back four hours then the usual time for then. No harm done....
I myself and am east coast player and I would love to see this happen.
im east coast as well
what do you want them to do
sieges at noon est?
ah yea cuz 9am is when the majority(guess) of americans want to play lineage
yea noon est is great for euros...who wouldnt want to siege at 6pm?
Oh wait thats how it is for NA basically lol
im pretty much just being the devils advocate here. for no other reason but to try and explain the reason why its like this
If nothing else, they could atleast allow the castle owners to set their own time.
It is unfair for the Euro castle owners. I mean.... is setting the time back a few hours that detrimental? No... so what harm could a few hour diffrence do.
the worse is that i remember during C2 the sieges were actually much better but they changed for whatever reasons...
yea i remember that
and it seemed fine for most...except aussie
dunno.
if they bumped up the time a couple hours i dont see the harm. but i highly doubt it will be a server by server thing....will be game wide if they ever do
maybe get this thread going on all the servers if you wanna get somewhere^^
ah yea cuz 9am is when the majority(guess) of americans want to play lineage
yea noon est is great for euros...who wouldnt want to siege at 6pm?
No we are not asking to put it at noon.
Let see: for the moment it's at 8pm for West, 11pm for Est and 5am for us; right?
Will that change a lot of thing for West guys if the siege was at 5pm for them? That will make 8pm for east and 2am for us. That will already be a LOT better for us! And better for east too and not really bad for west I think.
That's for saturday. For sunday we could see 1pm for west, 4pm for east and 10pm for euro; or 2pm, 5pm, 11pm. Something like that will still be a great adjustement for us without afecting US west players much.
Or like some other said, random siege time, or a larger choice, etc.
ah yea cuz 9am is when the majority(guess) of americans want to play lineage
yea noon est is great for euros...who wouldnt want to siege at 6pm?
No we are not asking to put it at noon.
Let see: for the moment it's at 8pm for West, 11pm for Est and 5am for us; right?
Will that change a lot of thing for West guys if the siege was at 5pm for them? That will make 8pm for east and 2am for us. That will already be a LOT better for us! And better for east too and not really bad for west I think.
That's for saturday. For sunday we could see 1pm for west, 4pm for east and 10pm for euro; or 2pm, 5pm, 11pm. Something like that will still be a great adjustement for us without afecting US west players much.
Or like some other said, random siege time, or a larger choice, etc.
Feanorr
dont forget there is a 7pm est siege time as well. not jsut 11
US player with *gasp* a social life. Earlier sieges ftw.
oh youre cool
says the guy with a avatar of a $500 toy dog
electronic things dont count as friends nor do they qualify your time with them as social time
Um, I don't mean to defend this petition - after all, I am also in the East coast and would like to see earlier siege times, but disagree that the Euros feel they have a right to anything simply because they happen to hold some castles now - but sieging DOES affect your social life (in the East coast at least). Many times, I have given up sieging in favor of sex or hanging out with some buddies. And that's just not right. But I'm still NOT signing this petition.
PS - I am still waiting for a response to my petition to delete all toons with an INV tag. Thanks.
Deleting not the toons with the tag, but the tag itself would be easier. Along with possibly sensoring the name itself to prevent further use, with same restrictions as applied to 'curse words' and other 'obsenities'.
sandron, i see your point. but tell me why they made Lionna and all the other servers available for euros then?
because if they did not have it where everyone no matter whether you are from Europe or not play on same server. Then like In WoW. There would be complaints from Euro and American on why they cant play with friends.
Basicly people are whiners, always have been always will be. The server times are set, there is a server with times more appealing to what Europeans want. I am in Central US, I Work evening and dont play till late night so I miss alot. Should I make a new pettion saying "hey NC change time so that people who work Evening can play"
See how dumb that sounds, that is exactly how dumb this thread is
sandron, i see your point. but tell me why they made Lionna and all the other servers available for euros then?
because if they did not have it where everyone no matter whether you are from Europe or not play on same server. Then like In WoW. There would be complaints from Euro and American on why they cant play with friends.
Basicly people are whiners, always have been always will be. The server times are set, there is a server with times more appealing to what Europeans want. I am in Central US, I Work evening and dont play till late night so I miss alot. Should I make a new pettion saying "hey NC change time so that people who work Evening can play"
See how dumb that sounds, that is exactly how dumb this thread is
sandron, i see your point. but tell me why they made Lionna and all the other servers available for euros then?
because if they did not have it where everyone no matter whether you are from Europe or not play on same server. Then like In WoW. There would be complaints from Euro and American on why they cant play with friends.
Basicly people are whiners, always have been always will be. The server times are set, there is a server with times more appealing to what Europeans want. I am in Central US, I Work evening and dont play till late night so I miss alot. Should I make a new pettion saying "hey NC change time so that people who work Evening can play"
See how dumb that sounds, that is exactly how dumb this thread is
your post doenst apply to this thread because of some simple reasons.
1. The point of a siege is a MASS pvp server event where a [censored] of people get together and do whatever. you complaning you miss the action at night can be said for the euros but they arent asking for 26/30 days a month to change they are asking for a couple 2 hours to be earlier so that "everyone" can participate and actually be aware of what they are doing.
2. majority rules in most cases in life as well as in a game. I think the larger headache though is if ncsoft does this for 1 server it opens up 10000000000000 petitons and they dont want to deal with that so ya, euros reset your alarm clocks on siege days
LOL, I see at least two people who /signed this who only have 1 post. I'm sorry, but even though I think post count whores are dumb, I don't trust the opinion of someone who comes to the boards and posts 1 word as their first (and only) post.
LOL, I see at least two people who /signed this who only have 1 post. I'm sorry, but even though I think post count whores are dumb, I don't trust the opinion of someone who comes to the boards and posts 1 word as their first (and only) post.
So what? I looked at the topic, there many more than two people that signed with 1 post.
sandron, i see your point. but tell me why they made Lionna and all the other servers available for euros then?
because if they did not have it where everyone no matter whether you are from Europe or not play on same server. Then like In WoW. There would be complaints from Euro and American on why they cant play with friends.
Basicly people are whiners, always have been always will be. The server times are set, there is a server with times more appealing to what Europeans want. I am in Central US, I Work evening and dont play till late night so I miss alot. Should I make a new pettion saying "hey NC change time so that people who work Evening can play"
See how dumb that sounds, that is exactly how dumb this thread is
your post doenst apply to this thread because of some simple reasons.
1. The point of a siege is a MASS pvp server event where a [censored] of people get together and do whatever. you complaning you miss the action at night can be said for the euros but they arent asking for 26/30 days a month to change they are asking for a couple 2 hours to be earlier so that "everyone" can participate and actually be aware of what they are doing.
2. majority rules in most cases in life as well as in a game. I think the larger headache though is if ncsoft does this for 1 server it opens up 10000000000000 petitons and they dont want to deal with that so ya, euros reset your alarm clocks on siege days
/signed.
1. The point of a Siege is for Players to be able to take a Castle. The outcome of this is a bunch of people getting together and having fun just doing what ever. The Chicken does not come before the egg. I was not complaining about missing sieges. Even with the times I work I siege when I can and I have fun playing. Inface I sieged Devastaed Castle the other day and had a blast. I stayed up to do it because OMG I Wanted to. If you really want to siege as badly as you say you will find a way around it. Moving it up 2 hours will still not allow Everyone to participate. Again it is set they way it is for a reason. You want to be aware of things then read posts, check the main website, look at game news. Why should we have to comply to the people who are not willing to do anything themselves. It is one of the things that is destroying our society as a whole today. Everyone wants to be catered too and no one wants to work for anything.
2. Majority rules, except hey guess what. Most of the people who play the game do not post. The posting body is not even 1/10 of the server population. This has always been true with any MMorpg. Do you really want to have seperate European servers, or are people just going to deal with what they have and make it work well for them. Sometimes you just got to take the cards that life deals you. This is one of those times.
Also another point, /signed threads have and always will be lame. It is very annoying to have a bunch of people who just type /sign to join up on the bandwagon or because they are bored. Why are you signing? Did you even read the first posts or any other points made in the thread? Most likely not. Also most /sign threads have no real bearing then that of the wants of one or a couple people. Instead of what is needed or necessary. You can not always get what you want. I very much doubt that will happen here but hey, you never know, it might just happen. Rigth there along with peace in the middle east and no more poverty line.
Oh yeah btw, my Post had plenty to do with the thread and more merit than a /sign post. I was clearly stating my point on how I felt this thread was unnecessary and has as much validation as a pettion thread of someone asking for crop turn in times to change cause they can't make it in time.
Sai reth : learn to post and not say crap. Let me enlighten you :
You made a very long post and each points, i got them in the middle of your explanation. Cut the unnecessarily crap and head straight to the point.
1. Uter crap. Do you really think all those who play this game can afford to wake up for 2h30~3h00 in the middle of the night ?
Some people have a job, go to school etc. I'm afraid i have to inform you, RL owns l2.
So take your "you want to do it, then you can do it" crap somewhere else, cause whenever i hear/read it i want to throw out some punches. Thk u for saying i don't do much effort, last siege i woke up at 4:30 pm monday morning, just to see i was 2 hours late.
2. And what makes you say, that GMB made his point based on how many people posted, and not based on his IG-knowledge of the server' population ?
hmmm ? You get it ?
This thread provides an idea of a minimum number of people who would like siege time change.
GMs play the game too, like you and me. And if i can testify that most of the people who signed are real players and know what they signed, they can too.
And lastly, i know no moron who would bandwagon on a PETITION.
<3.
ummm... thanks for the writing tip.....O.o
Sorry that when I write I am thorough with explaining why I feel the way I do. Not being thorough is what makes people not completely understand you and make assinine assumptions.
Like you assuming that as you stated my "you want to do it, then you can do it crap" It is not crap lol. If you want to siege then siege. I have a job, I work in the afternoons, I dont just play L2 I do graphic design, and I have an active social life. But when I want to siege I find a way to do it.
My point is that not everyone who posts reads these threads and could care less what you and I have to say and even less about the server times. They are oblivious to there surroundings and just play the game.
He said majority rules. What majority. If the majority knows nothing of what is going on how can they make descions on what to do. They will just follow the will of the server.
I didnt say you personaly didnt do much effort, if you felt that was targeted to you though then maybe you dont? I was saying that people who do not try do not need to complain.
And yes you are right Morons bandwagon on Petitions and let themselves get carried away when someone who is against them voices their opinion clearly and concisely ^^
If we really want anything done we need to figure out a time that is best for everyone. Not just Euro, not just America and see if it is possible to get that implemeneted.
everyone is not working in the afternoon
try to wake up at 1am, to go back ur bed at 3am and to go to work at 7am (then wake up around 6:00 am or earlier if your work is a bit far)
you'll see how you can work like that
Its a North American based Server. If you want European timing then petition to be placed on the Teon server with your toons.
Petitioning is pointless anyways.
you want us to leave Lionna to make your EE stop deleveling ? :p
As I said before, it is pointless to change to Euro timezone based on who might post here.
I don't like the Sunday siege time of ~7pm EST. I would like it a few hours later. Or, a number of hours earlier.
To change server, I'd say before changing Euro, test total server IP's connected to client or w/ever on weekends and weekdays. Then, find out from which timezones and countries these IP's come from, and group them accordingly. If majority rules, I wonder what timezone might be implemented.
Maybe there is an unfathomed amount of mexican farmers which will validate the PST siege times.
As for Nemesis, leave the bravado alone. You can be arrogant and cute to a point until it just becomes annoying.
Already saw that kind of petition before. And even if I totally agree, spam already answered us and told us to basically "move to the Euro server, period." So... :(
Maybe not perfect for noone, but acceptable for all.
At the siege times (not being at once never but played at that time) i'm normally little drunk/smoked cos arrive house after go out with friends (5 a.m.!!!) :)
this shouldnt be too hard to do. Ncsoft knows the origin of the players in Lionna. They know the country and probably the cities too. From there, it's not too difficult to see where most people are. IF most active players are located on the east US and europe, then maybe it would be nicer to have the schedule changed.
It WILL require some little work research from ncsoft but hopefully, it will allow them to recalibrate the server if necessary.
this shouldnt be too hard to do. Ncsoft knows the origin of the players in Lionna. They know the country and probably the cities too. From there, it's not too difficult to see where most people are. IF most active players are located on the east US and europe, then maybe it would be nicer to have the schedule changed.
It WILL require some little work research from ncsoft but hopefully, it will allow them to recalibrate the server if necessary.
Exactly. Thread should be a "Petition for Statistics on Player Lccation for Lionna Server". ;)
Typical americans thinking for themselves. I think the solution is simple, all the nerds from europe and the freaks from the east should both form two seperate alliance's and fight to the death. Then the winner should choose the siege times.
Do any of you from the east actually have a social life ? If i were you guys i would prefer to have it in the afternoon than the evening. Don't know about the rest of you from europe but i like to spend my saturday nights out.
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