Equipped Weapon Dropping

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There has been considerable controversy on this topic, and I wanted to clear a few things up. Your equipped weapon will only drop if you are red and have 6 or more PKs. If you have 5 or fewer PKs then your equipped weapon should not drop. If you do drop your weapon while having a PK count lower than 6, or while white, please submit a petition so that the GMs can investigate.

Sarge
Just if you have 6 or more PKs and your equipped weapon can drop? Or you can drop your equipped weapon if and only if you have 6 or more PKs AND you have karma. Subtle but important distinction :)
Ah, good call - you must be red with 6 or more PKs. Editing original post to clarify.

Sarge
Nice to know, I've only droped my equipped weapon once. I was diong the quest for warsmith where I had to kill some bears and get the honey pots. A train of 3 farmers comes up and is killing faster than my dorf can get to the bears.

I log in my SK and kill the 3 toons and the 3rd one was my 6th or 7th pk. I opt to let the mobs kill me just because I had stoped off and stored my good equipment and took out noob gear to go red with. And ya know it, I droped half my inventory when the bears finally killed me; including the equiped weapon lol. I ended up dieing in a siege zone to wash me of my karma.

It's good to know that if mobs kill me while I'm not red that I will not drop my weapon. <--- that's a relief
oh. my. god!
I don't know what to say...
Finally.
Thank you, I.. Thanks =)
Thank you Sarge... this finally sets this to rest.
Thanks, Sarge :)

Only had to bug him once to get this answer :)
And twice for the crit from behind issue :)

Thanks again...

Kitten

Thank you Sarge... this finally sets this to rest.



naively

we can hope with it stickied that it won't keep coming up

naively

TY Sarge!
Any word on pet collars? Technically - they're the most powerful weapon I have in me inventory. :D

No drop plz!!! :D
What is the GM going to do. If I was white and had 0 pks and dropped my weapon and someone comes and takes it am I going to get it back?

Common response from a GM is "sorry for your loss but there is nothing I can do for you."

I say this as someone who has dropped his weapon and was lucky to have a clanny with me to pick it up.
Greetings,


What is the GM going to do. If I was white and had 0 pks and dropped my weapon and someone comes and takes it am I going to get it back?




Well, the GM can review the logs, and confirm if any item was dropped, and if so, what was the dropped item.

If your claim is true, your instance will be forwarded to bug reports, because it's "mechanically" not supposed to happen.

Then, the GM will make a new one of your weapon appear out of thin air, and give it back to you.

It's not like they need to e-bay or anything, they can create any **** item they please...

YAY ! No more backup weapon needed ! HELLO Overenchants !

Have Fun ! ™

BoardPK
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There has been considerable controversy on this topic, and I wanted to clear a few things up. Your equipped weapon will only drop if you are red and have 6 or more PKs. If you have 5 or fewer PKs then your equipped weapon should not drop. If you do drop your weapon while having a PK count lower than 6, or while white, please submit a petition so that the GMs can investigate.

Sarge



Woooo, hold the phone.

Are we talking about Pk, PvP, or PvE deaths here? :confused:
All of them. The conditions I listed are the ONLY ones that matter in this specific case.

Sarge

All of them. The conditions I listed are the ONLY ones that matter in this specific case.

Sarge



Cool.... I was always under the impression that your weapon has a chance to drop no matter what the death.... This at least for me will make me want to pvp more now, being i didn't want to lose my weapon before.
Yeah this was as well writen in the INGAME help :) But nice to know that you guys finaly said the entire thing for everyone.

Yeah this was as well writen in the INGAME help :) But nice to know that you guys finaly said the entire thing for everyone.



Yeah, but then ashNC went off and stated that the ingame help was incorrect awhile back and said that the equipped weapon always had a small chance to drop.
Ty. I love to be sure.
I could make this thread my favourite ;)

Any luck to have a list of all death penalties ?


If it's not too much also the formula to XP loss. From 8% to 2% according to level but what at what would be cool.
I'm not too used to dying but I lost freaking 7-8% the other night when I let a lower level player kill me after going red (that's like 2+ hours of grinding at level 63) --- geez, I would have spent the time to run from Dion to Aden if I had thought that would have happened lol. But I don't play for xp, I like the game; I'll have to stop Lightning Striking bot train healers heh.

Most times that I have died in one day was 20+ but that was in a siege so the xp loss was expected.
Good to see official clarification (and to have an official answer we can point to if the weapon drops nevertheless).
what about armor jewelry boots equiped te same or different
EQUIPPPED WEAPON ONLY :) You can still drop all that other junk.
Very much Thanks to you Sarge. Finally we have a legit ruling on this ... and its a good deal I think . makes me want to hunt reds more ;)
Sweet - i told someone it was possible to drop equipped weapon but they didn't beleive me - now I can go - "YES IT CAN - SEE SEE - SO THERE" - LOL
Wait a minute. Is this statement not correct?

"In PvP, a chaotic character with a PK count of 5 or less will no longer drop items upon death"

Does items not mean everything?
It is supposed to say 'will no longer drop items at an increased propability, as in contrast to being white'.

Yes, it is incorrect and needs fixing urgently.

Unless they want to reveal whether or not purple/white can still drop in PvP.
I dropped my weap in prelude can I have it back ty ;)
/envisions GMs adding a Hunting Bow to Oranj's warehouse and writing a "Merry XMas!" email
When was this rule applied? A while back, very early C3, I had a friend of mine who was with an entire group, get pk'd (he was white) and dropped his bow of peril.
With C3, along with the changes for New players, as the first official statement about this fact is in the new player guide. An item, that every new created char gets.

Chronical Kitten
Nice to know this. Back in August my wife, Trovan dropped her Crystal Staff while equipped when she was in EV. At that point she had never PKd or PvPd anyone. We did run and go pick it up for her, so no biggie, but I will have to let her know that is not supposed to happen. Thanks.
do you drop armor in normal pvp (not red and outside the arena).

Thanks.

It is possible to drop up to five items when you die - even your equipped weapon - regardless of your karma status. Chaotic players have an increased chance to drop items upon death.


quoted from tip of the day section

needs a correction i guess :)


It is possible to drop up to five items when you die - even your equipped weapon - regardless of your karma status. Chaotic players have an increased chance to drop items upon death.



You got a point there, a clan mate of mine popped like a pumpkin the other day in the clan hall when i trained a guard on him he dropped like half his inventory (9-10 items) true he had 40 pk's with like 10k karma. The Plot thickens.
quoted from tip of the day section

needs a correction i guess :)

This ONLY applies to EQUIPPED Weapons and does not apply to Armor and other wearables. If you carry a main weapon and have a Bow of Peril in your inventory for ranged attacks... you can still drop the Bow if it is not EQUIPPED. (Within the 5 PK Limit)

Additionally, the probability of dropping items does increase with your number of PKs. (i.e. A person with 500 PKs is more likely to drop than someone with 1 PK)
no matter how many your pks are above 5 it is more likely to give presents to those close to you whenever you die. so if you dont wanna become "adens santa" visit floran village.



PK IS GOOD BUT......................
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Geez, ffs, no more farmer bot training for me then... Was so hoping to get the biggest damage to a bot there ever could exist: Financial damage.
If you are red and you have less than 5 pks, you do not drop any items at all.

If you are red and you have less than 5 pks, you do not drop any items at all.



So not true....way before I ever went red on my first bot I dropped my karmian stockings, karmian boots and fp boots all at once in the middle of town due to an aggro mob durign the raid event week. By some miracle nobody picked up my stuff, and I got it all back.
You can, in fact, drop items at any time. It's just your EQUIPPED weapon with LESS THAN FIVE PK'S that is protected against dropping.
So if someone has >5 PKs, but no Karma (not red), is there still an increased chance of dropping Armor/Jewellery/Stuff from Inventory?

Or is white = white, no matter how many PKs one does have?

If I kill someone with lots of PKs but no actual karma, will I get some presents?

Maybe someone can enlighten me here, thank you :)
the real question here is if your red with no pk's do you drop items when killed by a guard / and mobs. or players?
This is going to be ugly, because this software doesn't do tables well, but here is the current status of player drops. (NOTE: This is the way it is right now - it was not always this way, and may not always be this way in the future. Please do not petition about previous drop issues)

Player Karma = White

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? N N N

Can Drop Items? Y N N

Player Karma = Purple/Red with < 6 PKs

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? N N N

Can Drop Items? Y N N

Player Karma = Red with 6 or more PKs

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? Y Y Y

Can Drop Items? Y Y Y
OMG TY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you had a pony I'd kiss you.
I knew all Texans couldn't be bad !

(yeah Sorry I can't help. When I'm kind I need to be snappish to compensate. That must mean somethin' but who knows)
OK, now I'm confused! How can you be red with no PK's?

:eek:

OK, now I'm confused! How can you be red with no PK's?

:eek:



Huh? Where does it say that?
Killing a PET or a summon will give you 30 karma (with 0 pk's) and will not add to your PK count.

OK, now I'm confused! How can you be red with no PK's?

:eek:



It's a frame of mind.
its less than 6 pks. not necessarily 0.
sorry dont go around killing pets /summons only did it once :p
I understand the equipted weapon explanation.
{ie. weapon in use}

I understand the chance of item dropping.
{ie. additional inventory weapon, equipted armor,jewels etc. as well as other inventory items being carried}

Is adena considered an item? Is there a chance you will drop it upon death?

This has never happend to me. Nor anyone I know. In game some players say, Yes it is an item..possible to drop a portion. Other say it will never drop from your inventory.

:oApolgies, if this seems like a silly question, but I tend to store my adena in the warehouse. One reason is so I don't go shopping wild while in towns. The other is paranoia of dropping cash.

Could someone clarify,, nothing really came up definitive when searching. Is Adena and item carried that is possible to drop? After all it does take a inventory slot.

Regards, Bop :)
no, adena won't ever drop
Neither will Ancient Adena.

But sealstones can. :(

no, adena won't ever drop



Thanks to the posters for clearing that up for me.

The slot must be like one big Travelers Cheque to use your cash.

Thanks for the replies. :cool:
Bop

This is going to be ugly, because this software doesn't do tables well, but here is the current status of player drops. (NOTE: This is the way it is right now - it was not always this way, and may not always be this way in the future. Please do not petition about previous drop issues)

Player Karma = White

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? N N N

Can Drop Items? Y N N

Player Karma = Purple/Red with < 6 PKs

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? N N N

Can Drop Items? Y N N

Player Karma = Red with 6 or more PKs

Killed By: NPC PC Summon/Pet

Can Drop Weapon? Y Y Y

Can Drop Items? Y Y Y



Tytytytyty for that info. ^__^

Now we just need you to hop on the web team to get them to change this in the tips.


It is possible to drop up to five items when you die - even your equipped weapon - regardless of your karma status. Chaotic players have an increased chance to drop items upon death.



Also, thanks for your clarification on the rest of it. ^_^ its always good to know that its semi -safe while pvping. (I dont care at all about exp loss - more sp ftw) :)
Is AA non-droppable the same as normal adena ?

Obviously we have covered the inventory and equipped items, we know adena won't drop, can we get a final confirmation for AA ?

Can AA drop upon death and if so, under what conditions.

(I don't think it can, but many people still aren't sure and won't believe it unless they see it from a NC rep)
The wording on the daily tips page http://www.lineage2.com/tip/tip_5.html needs to reflect this drop table.

It is possible to drop up to five items when you die - even your equipped weapon - regardless of your karma status. Chaotic players have an increased chance to drop items upon death.


The way it reads now is contradictory to this.
Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the tip to be more accurate.
you wont drop equip armors if you are red and less than 6 pk??????
no..

you wont drop equip armors if you are red and less than 6 pk??????



Correction...you won't drop equip WEAPON. ANything else in your inventory is fair game, including weapons that aren't equipped. Poor poor dagger/bow users :P