I would like to begin this thread by explaining that I am not one to normally reply to a post. On the most part, I like to stay out of them, and simply be entertained by those of you who do. But considering the time that Kami has taken to write his small novel, explaining in repetitious detail, the political standpoint of a clan/alliance that supposedly has no political stand point, and whose motto is "pvp without politics", I felt that a rebuttal of sorts, in equal detail was in order.
I found this statement for starters fairly ironic,
please keep the nonsense posts out of this, you have the rest of the forum for that.
This entire post by kami is the definition of nonsense.(please, would all juvenile punks attempt to be a smart ***** and go to dictionary.com and post the actual definition of "nonsense"). Now, I am not just saying this to simply disagree. I say this from the viewpoint of someone who has both fought with and against him, and who has experienced the effects of his effectual leadership within both EA and M. I say this because I am a man who sees a person through their actions rather than their words, and frankly, Kami's actions speak volumes that are contradictory to what you see in his "Synergy" thread.
I tried grouping with anyone my first weeks back to the game, friends I had in Aurora, M and NM. I just wanted to see where the server was, which allies had grown ect. It became obvious to me quickly though that some people wanted to hold a grudge on me, and I can understand why. I dont expect people to forgive things that EA did mainly to their friends or themselves.
This quote I find especially interesting. Primarily how you see the hatred for you was generated by the things that EA did. As though you and EA are two separate things. But in fact, you were at the head of the administration of this said alliance. It was you and Beliar that conspired to essentially create an atmosphere in this server that generated this hatred. Also in this quote you mention grouping with your friends in both M and NM but you happen to exclude the part about your deception in which you utilized in order to gain access to the NM vent. Very typical Kamisama I would say.
So it seemed like if I brought my own force to Oren or Innadrill (since a small clan or two I could make couldnt take NM) that theyd all still come together to keep it. So with Aden, Oren, Innadril, and Giran out of the question.. we formed in a moments notice our ally to go at Aden to "just have fun too." That upset was the catalyst which brought this whole war into play. Whether what I said was assumptions or truth doesnt really matter though. These are things of past and not the basis for anything Synergy stands for. But just to show an explanation of why we joined with M.
The interesting thing here is how you avoided to mention how this was not for fun, but essentially for payback to NM for taking Aden from EA when EA was at its weakest state due to complete neglect. After EA fell apart shortly after NM took Aden castle from EA, i watched as the remnants of the EA alliance was absorbed into, what was already becoming a substantial force in itself, the Malevolence alliance. As more and more former EAA members moved into the M alliance the more and more M was becoming aggressive in nature to NM. Up until this point M was fairly friendly with NM and we were even pvping with them mere weeks before M moved on Aden. Now if you think you can expect that Malevolence deceiving Hugo into believing that they were not gonna seige Aden and then suddenly do an about face had nothing to do with you then i have a large bridge in San Fransisco to sell ya. Why, you ask, would be your motives to do this? Well, shortly after Aden was lost by EAA to NM, Beliar wanted to drive NM off the server (i actually heard him say it tbh), he was that infuriated. Thus the war between EAA and NM began. But it was soon discovered that too many ppl from EAA had either gone to WOW or that they simply were not acting together properly in order to pull off the extermination of NM as EAA had done to other clans in the past. In fact EAA was falling apart and fast. Beliar apparently decided that this war with NM was not gonna be won and either decided that the frustration was not worth it and left, or simply the draw of WOW was just to great for him to expend the time on a losing battle in L2. Either way, it was painfully apparent that EA need to do something drastic, and Beliar was no longer in the picture. Thus, the administration of EA (Kamisama at the head) decided that by padding the the number of M with what was left of EA was a very attractive option. Unfortunately it meant the end of EA but at least it provided an ability to come back fighting. M was pulling in ppl left and right and it was very apparent that M (the new EA in my perspective, and i am not alone in that i am sure) was developing an overwhelming zerg to do just what beliar promised mere months before....to crush NM. At one point i counted the number ratio of M to NM to be close to 3:1. Thus Hugo pulled in several clans/ alliances to assist to balance out the fight. Unfortunately, NM did not pull all these clans into the NM alliance so this was only helpful for purposes of sieges, whereas the M alliance comprised of a great number of clans who could communicate quickly via alliance chat and respond quickly en masse to any group pvp that happened to crop up. So, after saying all this....it makes what you said in your quote seem that much more like bull *****. In your quote you try to make it seem so unplanned and spur of the moment.....but those who keep track know better. Considering you were at the head of all this, then one can fully see exactly what Synergy stands for, and the past will define the future.
So then, why Synergy? Well, my observations on this PKing war is it was getting too old. People talk plenty about "there will always be 2 sides," and in this sense that was very true. This war drew some people from each alliance away, and others closer.
Yes kami...why Synergy? Well this actually brings me back to a similar situation back when NM was part of EAA along with Forsaken. I remember, as time progressed, the tension between EA and Forsaken grew and grew. Do you remember why. I do. I heard alot about it as i grouped with em. How EA did not respect them in the alliance, how EA was courting their higher lvl ppl to leave Forsaken and join EA itself. Very similar to how you went about weeks in advance to the birth of your newly founded Synergy courting almost evry lvl 75 person on this server that wasn't a clan leader or simply had a well known, deep rooted hatred for you and the way you feel it is your right to dictate how ppl should be playing this game on this server. But perhaps you have a larger motivation? Perhaps you have ambitions to pull as many of these ppl into you alliance for the purposes of optimizing the possibility of having as many hero classes in your clan as possible? Perhaps you had motivation to create the "3rd side" to the conflict on the server, but i again cry foul. I have spoken with a few of the potential recruits that you approached and turned you down. By doing so i have heard of your technique for recruiting ppl from NM. Saying how NM isn't going anywhere, that you have convinced a good number to leave and that these ppl should as well, that you tell them they might as well leave NM because after your done with us there won't be much of a NM left anyways ....etc...etc...
But the real problem was what it was doing to the rest of the alliances and the server as a whole. Other larger alliances were too scared to get involved in the seriousness of this and played almost as if that wasn’t an existence they could involve themselves in. The mechanics of the war also bored a lot of players from both sides. Intensive greifing on eachother and serious insults to really try to 'hurt' your enemy. I mean hurting their spirits, getting them to quit and say 'you win, you beat me.' This is the idea behind endless assaults on the enemy. Not having legitimate PvP, but instead, gaining advantage at any cost just to "keep score" and have an idea of who is the 'best.' Unfortunately, being the best doesnt always bring out the best in people.
This is HILARIOUS coming from you considering that you had threatened the Guardian Gate alliance, shortly towards the end of a Giran siege, with KOS if they participated in a siege with us ever again. These guys were simply showing up for some friendly pvp where the fights were spectacular and the XP loss was insignificant. Guess you weren't at you best that day eh? or maybe you just didn't seem to happy with the score...either way...GG Kami...try again.
But everyone is calling out Synergy as a new EA, and for that reason I never made a post before when we created it at scratch. I feel my alliance is strong enough with the 3 clans we have now, and trying to build up more would only tear us down more down the line. It allows us to PvP with others maybe slowly now, but I see lots of the alliances in good spirits and I’m sure we will have much more on our hands later. Now I don’t expect every alliance to do that, and I know they wont. In the phrase 'staying out of politics that’s been coined off me its in reference to teaming up with others to win a fight.
Can you get any more open ended? We r proud to be small ("build up more would only tear us down")and want to be small, but were it is possible we could get big("Im sure we will have much more on our hands later"). We don't want any part of politics ("the phrase 'staying out of politics' thats been coined off me"), but we could get involved with some1 else’s politics ("teaming up with others to win a fight"). DUDE....go into political science...your made for it. Only a politician can talk out of their *** the way you do.
So I understand why people think Im trying to recreate EA, having been a leader for awhile in its time, but I dont see how you can draw a realistic conclusion from our current structure.
This is complete nonsense and propaganda bull sheet....please read above...
Soutif ran in towards the 75 quest box from the raid mobs and was killed before I even knew he was there. We’ve PKed M, NM, and neutrals for doing that. If you wanna get credit for other peoples work, you should ask them before hand if its ok to do so. I don’t mind people looting it who can actually kill it with their clan/ally, but 90% of the time its someone weve never heard of from Forgotten Heroes or something.
Hmmm, considering Soutif was fighting alongside yas for the last little while, i am pretty certain you knew he wasn't just "someone weve never heard of from Forgetten Heroes or something". Reely, what the hell did it matter to you if this guy managed to get to the box to help complete has subclass quest? Again, although a small incident in my comparison, has the hallmarks of when EA locked down the cave to prevent the rest of the server from lvling as fast as they were and forbid all alliance members from selling and mats from that location, on pain of expulsion from their individual clans in order to prevent the rest of the server from ataining the same gear as they had. If the clan leader did not expel that member when the leadership of EA demanded it, they would be removed form the alliance, and never allowed access to the cave again. Just one small example of how you restricted someone from advancing in this game, your reasoning, to make it difficult for your competition or to simply be an *****.
In short, if clans like this are angry and want to fight, then why do they all bond together? Is it really necessary? If you blind yourselves saying were power driven, then Id take a look at the siege fields and castle owners.
They bond together because of a common enemy. I am sure there is no need to explain this to you. You expect this happy pvp where evry1 fights and says GG afterwards yet since pvp started on this server you have propagated an environment that you see today. I would say we would be blinding ourselves to think anything other than you are power driven and are only concerned with your own motives and how to gain the advantage.
Im not gonna grab quotes cause it gets too long. As for trying to group with NM when I had returned, that wasnt when I was on your vent. That was before, 2 different times. For the Aden siege, if you think it was payback then youre crazy. When I decided to take a break I knew EA needed time to restructure or do something different without my leadership. I gave Aden to Hugo. Then I left for break and Beliar came back and thought otherwise, cant help you there. As for your views on me recruiting your members. Ive talked about forming my own ally with a few NM members before. The first and foremost, is one whos still in your alliance. I didnt approach him the way you said, it was only after he shared his feelings that things progressed. He in fact, introduced me to the rest of the people that left. I never threatened GG alliance for KOS for sieging. Thats a lie. The staying our of politics deal like I said is just avoiding teaming up with others or trying to make a peace treaty and 2 hour vent meeting everytime someone is hit. If you have a problem and people wanna fight then go ahead, it doesnt mean alliances are at war.. because people treat small PvP situations with such fragile care. However, voicing my opinion, or my ally members, isnt a political stab. Telling someone theyre a coward and asking them why theyre lying to the public is fair game for me. With Soutif being PKed... Weve always had it that people get PKed if they approach the box. Now since Im busy healing during the fight and someone says 'somebody is running in for the box on a stryder,' I say, 'nobody asked to loot it, kill them if they come close.' If thats out of line for you(and getting Bressed afterwards and fully buffed) then Im sorry you feel that way. I didnt know who was even there until Soutif was already dead. As for holding people back from doing things, I think I made it clear thats not the case. If youre from a clan or alliance that can do this, and its just not on your timezone that day, you can surely loot it. And people have asked before hand, and looted on our raids. And for the last remark I can see people bonding together for an enemy. I dont like people saying 'were in limbo on what were doing, were independant' and working hand in hand with another alliance and never fighting on their own. Thats something else. I liked your post though! Its presented well, and its got good heart to it all. :D
Your arguments are getting old, and outdated Kami. Stop gripping on them. I replied to them already with crystal clarity, but it seems you just wanna hear(read!) what pleases you.
As for fighting by ourselves, we do anytime we get the occasion. We don't rely on others at all time. Some times we win, some times we lose. Just the game.
Next time you wanna talk about us, don't elaborate, use simple words. Crybabies, traitors, greedy, *******, cowards, whatever rocks your boat. They lack class but they have the exact same meaning as your relentless rant about us and why some dislike you.
Well, those that still play know who I am. To my knowledge, there are few people left in this game that have never fought at the side of Kamisama/EA. So, I think that I am one of the few, and I would like to say that I am really not that surprised to see who has joined back with Kami. Those who left NM have shown a lack of principle in the past leaving Ashen/Paragon. Mourns is right on the mark, and although I barely play L2, gustin history will repeat itself. A pseudo-EA will rise again, make critical mistakes in political moves, and fade back into the shadows. I would love to see every clan/alliance fight each other in FFA. (Go go Starcraft)
Engouh of a tangent, Kami please don't hide behind a smoke screen. I know that you planned a fall of NM for awhile. That you have been trying to bring people back too. The simple matter of fact is that you still had to sink to the level of yanking people from NM to attempt to gain the same pvp equality. In the end, NM will survive. (To my knowledge, they are the oldest clan on the server) EA will fall again and the cycle will go on.
To my clan mates current and past, I write this post as my own thoughts. You can correct me if I was wrong on anything. I don't mean to step on any toes and sorry to those that I offended, but I stick by what I have stated. (No hard feelings for anything)
and I would like to say that I am really not that surprised to see who has joined back with Kami. Those who left NM have shown a lack of principle in the past leaving Ashen/Paragon.
If those are your views on me and iono you should get your facts straight. As far as I know iono and I are the only ones who were in Ashen back in the day who left Nightmare for Synergy now. If it is indeed me you are referring to I am very interested as to how you think I left that clan due to a lack of principles because I certainly do not remember that. I remember staying till the very end of AshenVendetta, loyal to Nollo and Irena when next to everybody showed "no principles" and left them to rot, thx. Not until that clan was completely dead did I leave it to join Nightmare with the other guys.
if you were referring to someone else you should definitely re-write your post because as far as I know nobody else left Nightmare to join up with Synergy. Quite frankly I cannot remember iono's exact moves in those days so for all I know you were merely referring to him, even though he also only wanted to move with his friends to Nightmare so calling him a person without principles is just wrong.
P.S: It is 6AM and it was a long day and this post might make no sense at all but I couldn't care less, I'm sure I got the point across.
I still dont see this EA uprise thing even starting ... i mean the alliance is so **** small they obivously dont have many friends so why do many of you still Kami is some how gonna try and bring EA back from the ashes and try and dominate the server?
for starters I honestly do not believe its his intentions and secondly there isnt a way given the showing of current clans that dislike the alliance for them to havea shot i nthe dark at being half of what the old school EA was...
even if he might have those plans i nthe back of his mind he would have had to have an alliance of Malevolence or Nightmare size to do it. or jus grab every play 70+ that knows how to pvp into 4 or so full clans thats alot people >_< then he might be able to pull it off. if you do decide to try kami let me know ^_^ gimme a healer and ill be right there with ya haha be fun to fight an uphill battle as big as that one.
downjielin, politics is an intrinsis part of this game, like it or not. just the fact of exp mixed with pvp brings that into play.
fps having no politics is the case except in clan politics because killing is what you do- there is no exp or accomplishment based on numbers, only scoring and rankings.
here, 90% of the game is exp, 10% pvp, so politics is going to come into play in most pvp situations. in fact, it's the best (and most often used)justification for pvp.
Oh and I've known kami for like 4 years. The guy is a total despot and he only cares about controlling a virtual world because his real life is that meaningless.
I say we start anti-synergy alliance... we'll call it ASYN. All we need is that guy who lead NSA... M...Macro?...Marco?... Either way he's totally leading us to victory. craig will be second in command.
this [censored] is far-2-srius. pls stop trying to make a new alliance into the end of gustin or some stupid thing like that. this game wouldnt be fun if everyone stayed with the same clan forever and always had the same political allignment
CHANGE IS SCARY - BUT SCARY CAN BE FUN. IF YOU DISAGREE, WE CAN PVP OVER YOUR OPINIONS.
erok. hey just saying. politics is a fun part of this game. an inseperable part of this game. pvp without politics is essentially deathmatch or team deathmatch, and any game involving a build up of stats and pvp with consequences will always have politics as a part of that game dynamic.
ie: i had a cs game with some clan mates this evening. for some it was their 1st day in that game. the other though ti was hacking. i suck at cs. i am still in my clan. lol.
if i started killing my clanmates in this game, i'd probaly not have a clan pretty quick.
i dunno if that anaology is really working for me. ok goodnight.
my pantaloonsa r4e ablaze with a passion so rare, so intense, it can only be summed up by the falvour of my favourite bubble gum. cinnamint. HAWT!
edit: oh yeah, the thing is the politics is part of what makes this game fun. take away the politics and all you got is some lousy time sink treadmill with lousy player vs player. i can do that and tak epride in having an actual level of skill by playing counterstrike. cheaper too. hmm.
You're right bud, lets all just hate each other in real life and get really, really, angry at video games while we manage our elite castle-owning empires!
For those who thinks the politics is getting too serious then go play wow like Beliar did.
BudLight
Nightmare
OHHHHH I BET HES HURT. Grow up.
I guess you took a page off Bel's book.
What the hell does that mean? I guess Beliar was bad too along with me now. All of a sudden youve awakened and everything that was good to you, is now bad!
So, I think that I am one of the few, and I would like to say that I am really not that surprised to see who has joined back with Kami.
Uconn, I dont think you know much about anything in L2world. Comments like this always make me laugh. Does everyone in NM shown a true example of principle too then? And if some of them were to leave, even now, and join me.. then they lack principle too? Your view is biased and based off nothing useful other than the anger that drives your post from what happened to your clan. You say you know my plans(to destroy Nightmare), that I yank their players(against their will?). Do you know what even caused those people to leave? Or do you prefer to disregard them as lesser people, without knowing their reasons. We could correct you on a lot of things, but theres no point since its based off an opinion gone months back. I take your post as nothing more than a joke, but seems pretty rude to people that were once with your clan.
What the hell does that mean? I guess Beliar was bad too along with me now. All of a sudden youve awakened and everything that was good to you, is now bad!
Nope, not what i meant. Bel was a very good srategist all in all, as well as a wise leader, and a deadly opponent for his ennemies, crushing them. He was indeed charismatic in a way. You're a good tactician too, and know how to use the means of the medias (that board !) to get to your goals. Means might be differents, but parts of the goals are alike (weaken your opponents). I have personnaly no real grudge on you, only the fact that you're ******* me off on the board.
As for your views on me recruiting your members. Ive talked about forming my own ally with a few NM members before. The first and foremost, is one whos still in your alliance. I didnt approach him the way you said, it was only after he shared his feelings that things progressed. He in fact, introduced me to the rest of the people that left.
Kami, I know for a fact you approached one of my officers trying to recruit him and he pretty much he said no way in hell. This officer is a long time RC member who I have never seen lie. Kami, why don't you just try being honest for once. I think people would respect you if you did, but I am not sure if you are capable of that. I think the more you respond to these posts the more people who see your lies and see the real truth. You'd have a lot less problems if you said, yeah I was recruiting all the high levels for my clan/alliance. Its not a bad thing, so why play it off as that you didn't?
Thesus, to my knowledge, when ashen broke up, we all went our own way. Some went to NM and some formed Paragon. During the formation of Paragon alliance, several people stayed until they got what they kept asking for, and then left. Those are the people that I am refering to. I wish you and iono the best in L2 and have always stated that. (Personally, I remember in C1 when you protected uconn in arena from big bad g4briel.)
As for your views on me recruiting your members. Ive talked about forming my own ally with a few NM members before. The first and foremost, is one whos still in your alliance. I didnt approach him the way you said, it was only after he shared his feelings that things progressed. He in fact, introduced me to the rest of the people that left.
Kami, I know for a fact you approached one of my officers trying to recruit him and he pretty much he said no way in hell. This officer is a long time RC member who I have never seen lie. Kami, why don't you just try being honest for once. I think people would respect you if you did, but I am not sure if you are capable of that. I think the more you respond to these posts the more people who see your lies and see the real truth. You'd have a lot less problems if you said, yeah I was recruiting all the high levels for my clan/alliance. Its not a bad thing, so why play it off as that you didn't?
-Erik
I dont even know who your officers are! I dont think I tried recruiting anyone from RC, Oz wouldnt be too happy about that! I didnt try recruiting the high levels of NM. Theres plenty in there that never were considered or approached. Would you like to compare the number of 75s NM has fighting for them vs the number we have? Good day to you!
You're right bud, lets all just hate each other in real life and get really, really, angry at video games while we manage our elite castle-owning empires!
sounds like a blast.
Who said about hating anyone in RL? Seems like your crew are the ones getting fed up and taking it personally. Like I care if any of you hate me. All is fair in love and war right?
Dont put words in my mouth kami but offer me a cheeseburger since im starving!
well, you're still holding a grudge against beliar.
i don't think anyone i've spoken with hates you irl, but i'm sure we can collectively agree that every so often some text appears next to your name that seems like it was half-*** assembled and rushed out of the wit factory.
well, you're still holding a grudge against beliar.
i don't think anyone i've spoken with hates you irl, but i'm sure we can collectively agree that every so often some text appears next to your name that seems like it was half-*** assembled and rushed out of the wit factory.
I dont hold anything against a player who has quit. I wasnt the one that made EA what it is/was. and as for your opinion on what i post, its only that. an opinion. An opinion from 'the other side' Dont like it, deal with it : )
1) your statement regarding him implied feelings or an opinion you have about him. please reread it and do some soul searching.
2) of course you had nothing to do with making ea what it was.
3) the opinion is widely shared, and majority rules, **. i don't know what you mean by 'other side', because i don't ever remember having seen you in game; i didn't even remember what clan/alliance you were in until i checked your sig. my judgment is made entirely off of your ever-so-scholarly exhibition here. you could be in whatever clan i'm in and i'd still think the same. if you want to think that some grand rpg political struggle for power is affecting my opinion of you, know that you're horribly wrong.
As for your views on me recruiting your members. Ive talked about forming my own ally with a few NM members before. The first and foremost, is one whos still in your alliance. I didnt approach him the way you said, it was only after he shared his feelings that things progressed. He in fact, introduced me to the rest of the people that left.
Kami, I know for a fact you approached one of my officers trying to recruit him and he pretty much he said no way in hell. This officer is a long time RC member who I have never seen lie. Kami, why don't you just try being honest for once. I think people would respect you if you did, but I am not sure if you are capable of that. I think the more you respond to these posts the more people who see your lies and see the real truth. You'd have a lot less problems if you said, yeah I was recruiting all the high levels for my clan/alliance. Its not a bad thing, so why play it off as that you didn't?
I don't know what Kamis future plans are and frankly I don't care. We have a great atmosphere in Nightmare right now. Some of the people who left were nice friends to many of us but I wouldnt say we miss them.
We have recruited some very nice people the past few weeks and it has worked out great!
I'm glad Synergy is around to pvp with us. Even though I had to take a 20% rez last fight just to get Cecella up so we could win :mad:
But we won it and I would have happily lost another 10% just to insure our vicotry.
I love pvping with Nightmare just because we really have people who know's wth they are doing.
We can have members who leaves and we can have spies on our boards. We can have people backstabbing us and we can have your gankparties running around.
Nighmare havent broke down yet and we wont either. Nightmare wont back down from anyone that do something towards our members and I think the 4 alliances (LCN, Synergy, M and SOS) who we are in a kos war with have realised that.
Happy hunting, I will be home shortly when this hungover of mine has worn off ... :)
3) the opinion is widely shared, and majority rules, **.
"Widely shared" (by the people you talk to), and "majority" (of everyone who reads it) are two completely different and often mistaken numbers.
Usually when someone makes a refference like this to me, it tells me that they need to leave their circle of influence and poll a wider audience before making assumptions so broad.
That, or they couldnt come up with anything on their own so went to the old; "Well everyone else agrees with me too!" card. Sort of a mythical name dropping.
I don't know what Kamis future plans are and frankly I don't care. We have a great atmosphere in Nightmare right now. Some of the people who left were nice friends to many of us but I wouldnt say we miss them.
We have recruited some very nice people the past few weeks and it has worked out great!
I'm glad Synergy is around to pvp with us. Even though I had to take a 20% rez last fight just to get Cecella up so we could win :mad:
But we won it and I would have happily lost another 10% just to insure our vicotry.
I love pvping with Nightmare just because we really have people who know's wth they are doing.
We can have members who leaves and we can have spies on our boards. We can have people backstabbing us and we can have your gankparties running around.
Nighmare havent broke down yet and we wont either. Nightmare wont back down from anyone that do something towards our members and I think the 4 alliances (LCN, Synergy, M and SOS) who we are in a kos war with have realised that.
Happy hunting, I will be home shortly when this hungover of mine has worn off ... :)
Nightmare will break down when boredom sets in. If it wasnt for alliances like synergy.....Nightmare would be the OLD ea that everyone almost quit the game over. I rememeber the days when Nightmare was ONE powerful clan (incub0) and one much lower level subclan (moursnblade clan). Nightmare prided themself being a one clan that was stronger then any other clan. In early c2, it wasnt the botting that made them strong....their is a certain slant that exist of Nightmare Name with this, but its not completely accurate. Nightmare got the lower limal parties because everyday they had a hardcore group of 9 people (mostly archers) that would abs tear up that room. Infact it became known as NIGHTMARE room because we were always in it and EA started to get ****** off. Nightmare never botted afk anywhere, i promise you that. Eventually they left for TOI. Nightmare completley held down the cave from farmers and enemies by them selfs. This is why nightmare got greedy and started to ask for giran and eventually aden because they were doing all of ea dirty work.
Nightmare is no longer that clan....infact they are anything but it. ASHEN died when they expanded (died fast cuz the leader quit about 3 weeks later), EA died from there expansions and boredom/inactivity, Nightmare will fall the same way.
BTW SVP....rememeber the night Typhoonaxe and I came into your vent and recruited you to NiGHTMARE? Didnt you tell me that if the server ever became one sided again you would be fighitng Nightmare? Now i know SVP is now semi broken up into republic and ect....but im just curious on your reaction.
ALL of you guys love to slame kami/verloren on there posts, discrediting every word. And i understand the reasoning.....but look through the words you will find the truth. Synergy is not the alliance thats mass recruiting...infact they have already stated they will not expand past 3 clans and no other allies no matter if it means lossing. Big deal if they recruited memebers from your clan....all that means is those players had the insight to see, change is good...it keeps things interesting in this game. However, being static....thats what makes people quit. If more people were doing what kami was doing (maybe not under him), this server would be alot more intresting. The fact is many of the people that flame on these boards (not you morianne lol, not sure why i quoted you but i felt like it HA), are just to scared to do what kami's doing. Many of these clans that been around a long time, they wouldnt have a purpose if they werent static.....because they cant exist on there own and make a difference. I challenge any clan alliance, to make the waves that synergy has made. Nightmare made those waves when they left EA, now its someone else turn. Its what keeps this game in check and balance. Otherwise we all just get bored and quit. NM/SVP/SW/Fusion vs Synergy (3 clans).....hmm sounds like some of you need to rethink just why you play this game. Dont flame them, just becuase you dont have the balls to do it yourself. Take away your hatred for him, and just play the game. Honestly its quite pathetic how much many of the old orginal AEA guys HATE there enemies. I never really understood it. I find it much more fun to pvp agaisnt friends, think about it.
(btw the ususal applies, i dont give a [censored] about spelling or punctuation, so dont bother...)
haha i know how all you forumn trolls will respond...WE ARENT EA, YOUR WRONG. WE DONT LOCK DOWN AREAS, WE DONT RUN WITH PERMA REDS, WE DONT RUN SAFTEY PATROL...these are tatics of the past....
a) i wanna see ANYONE run the server like EA did, it just not possible. The reason that made it possible was, Most of the server was 10 levels lower then EA, and there were only two hunting spots in those chronicles....FG AND LAIR....in c2 there is TOI and LAIR....now its just not possible to lock anything down and get anything done, there no point, their is so many good hunting spots.
b)perma reds arent needed now witht he karma quest
c)get past the logistics of EA...sure all you need is one reason to proove your not.. for the proof to be invalid....but look past all your propraganda....all you guys do is tell synergy how they are trying to be the OLD EA blah blah blah...seriously ur not close though...i can tell you that they have no desire to be the old ea..infact they have obviously moved on from there past...some of you AEA guys havent. I always said when ea quit the game, many of you would have no reason to play....stop reliving the past...and do something on your own....the way i see it is you guys have become who you always said you would fight against. Fighterhugo...if it was just INCUBO and your subclan (u never expanded) your gonna tell me you wouldnt of wanted to fight the NIGHTMARE ALLIANCE that exists now...cuz what it looks like to me....is c1/c2 hugo would kick ur *** if he had the chance....sometimes we dont realise what we have become until we become it....
dont forget the post that go something like this
"but KAMI IS BAD PIG, ok friend?"
someone say/do something orginal for once...i know synergy has...its your turn
ok not sure if this makes any sense cuz now im ranting....but whatever...i said what i said...bye
BTW SVP....rememeber the night Typhoonaxe and I came into your vent and recruited you to NiGHTMARE? Didnt you tell me that if the server ever became one sided again you would be fighitng Nightmare? Now i know SVP is now semi broken up into republic and ect....but im just curious on your reaction.
Well Im not in SVP anymore, but I was one of the leaders in that meeting with you and TA. So, here is my reaction:
You are saying Synergy is doing something great because they broke off of M to do their own thing. M is still around. Synergy was born of that alliance.
SVP is still around. Republic was born of that alliance. Republic broke off from SVP (and in turn NM) to do our own thing.
What exactly are you wanting us to react to again? Seems to me like we did what you are praising Synergy for doing, before Synergy did. We just did it in a different manner, which could be expected if you know my history in this game.
SW isnt fighting with us vs Synergy btw. They raid with us sometime but that's about it.
You can call us a zerg etc. But it has been proven over and over again that even with equal numbers we can still beat Synergy to the ground pretty **** hard.
I saw one of Lyrenes pvp movie today, the one at the DVC port in a few days ago.
I was chocked to see several things during that fight. I can mention 2 atleast.
One is Lordwookie hitting Artemyd with a few arrows, no one assisted Wook. But then Artemyd switches to Wook and instantly get's assisted by atleast 2 other guys.
Wook has to abandon the idea of killing Artemyd and have to pop cp pots and stand back which imobalizes him from the fight for a while.
The other one is when I see DKvoodo, who is in Lyrenes party, go down pretty early in the fight. A guy like that should be rezzed within seconds and rebuffed. If it's a 20% or a 95% rez dosnt matter. If you want to win battles you have to sacrifise.
Kami also got killed in that group and should have been rezzed instatly by either Lyrene (prophet) or Freshness (SE)
This is just 2 so basic things and I was supprised to see what I saw.
Kut Im not sure what you expected him to say. Praise all who did do this. No one is talking down about you starting your own thing, as we did. Good for you to do it. Nobody is telling you that your clan is doing something youre not.
While youre giving our lessons Mori, you can explain the going red on corrupted men strategy to drop equip. Very nice IMO. Both sides has its fights, and its moments. NM has given us great fights, but theyve also outnumbered us in some, but not all. Weve won and lost both ways too. You talk about fighting with even numbers, but with your interest of picking up new allies I sure dont see that one adding up.
In addition to that DVC fight, we charged your groups at DVC and mopped you up pretty well. You werent buffed too, but I guess its our fault you werent prepared. My entire mage group ran out of mana killing you guys while you ported into DVC. You brought in 5 groups on our 2 by the end. The sad thing is you think we feel bad about a fight like that...
Went red assisting of someone and dropped a +3 majestic Necklace. Got a +4 now so who cares? ^^
That was one incident and [censored] happens BUT. When you guys pvp I see this constantly. Like FG the other day, how can you not win that fight I mean .. your mages ran out of mp because they didnt assist eatchother. You wanted to create an elite pvp 3 clan ally, they should start acting like elite pvpers.
And yes that was trashtalk and I'm sorry for it. Just can't help myself sometimes, I get so much crap everyday so I think I'm entitled to one sentence of trashtalk! ;)
Atleast you are not denying I'm right.
And for the allies, we ally whoever we want so.. Hello!
1) your statement regarding him implied feelings or an opinion you have about him. please reread it and do some soul searching.
2) of course you had nothing to do with making ea what it was.
3) the opinion is widely shared, and majority rules, **. i don't know what you mean by 'other side', because i don't ever remember having seen you in game; i didn't even remember what clan/alliance you were in until i checked your sig. my judgment is made entirely off of your ever-so-scholarly exhibition here. you could be in whatever clan i'm in and i'd still think the same. if you want to think that some grand rpg political struggle for power is affecting my opinion of you, know that you're horribly wrong.
Hey I think soul searching has not a **** thing to do with L2.
And I could give a **** about your "widely shared opinion" why dont you just let kami play netheros. hes much better at it. And as for you not knowing me, gratz maybe if you actually played You would have some idea of whats going on? heres a stale cookie and if you dont want to eat it, well then i guess shove it.
pfft ever so scholarly exhibition, dont think too hard. pop a blood vessel or two.
Usually when someone makes a refference like this to me, it tells me that they need to leave their circle of influence and poll a wider audience before making assumptions so broad.
actually, you're right, my statement of "widely shared" may not have been accurate, since i only polled myself in the survey. i lied about the findings to skew my reports, and i'm truly sorry. however, it still stands to say that if a point were widely shared enough to be the majority, the majority and the people who shared the opinion would be the same. that is to say, "widely shared" is a description, and "majority" is a noun, and neither of which are numbers. usually when someone confuses the three, it tells me they're reinforcing my opinion of them. an opinion widely shared.
i would also like to point out that all of my statements in that sentence were true. i have widely shared the opinion, and the majority does - in the majority of cases - rule. in addition, there is photographic evidence that you have at times been present at the corners of several streets known to be popular prostitution areas.
in conclusion, the fact that your sole defense was against one point in my post that was clearly not accurate will be taken as a sign of your resignation of the points outlined within the aforementioned post, with the exception of poll-related material, which you have rightly found uncredible. if you feel that this assumption is inaccurate or in any way, feel free to discuss it as an adulterator.
i'm sorry, i responded without reading the rest of the thread, i think. in response to your most recent post, please refer to my previous posts which don't take it into consideration. however, i would like to say that i do know whats going on in the game.
edit: i read your post again, and i'd like to comment on the arrow pointing to your sig. i had previously said that i didn't remember what alliance you were in until i had read your sig, clearly indicating that i had read your sig, and then knew what alliance you were in. your failure to comprehend this further enforces previous points made about you.
also, i dont play netheros, my signature is a lie.
so stop dropping names mythically.
Kut Im not sure what you expected him to say. Praise all who did do this. No one is talking down about you starting your own thing, as we did. Good for you to do it. Nobody is telling you that your clan is doing something youre not.
Actually I was answering a question.
BTW SVP....rememeber the night Typhoonaxe and I came into your vent and recruited you to NiGHTMARE? Didnt you tell me that if the server ever became one sided again you would be fighitng Nightmare? Now i know SVP is now semi broken up into republic and ect....but im just curious on your reaction.
BTW SVP....rememeber the night Typhoonaxe and I came into your vent and recruited you to NiGHTMARE? Didnt you tell me that if the server ever became one sided again you would be fighitng Nightmare? Now i know SVP is now semi broken up into republic and ect....but im just curious on your reaction.
Well Im not in SVP anymore, but I was one of the leaders in that meeting with you and TA. So, here is my reaction:
You are saying Synergy is doing something great because they broke off of M to do their own thing. M is still around. Synergy was born of that alliance.
SVP is still around. Republic was born of that alliance. Republic broke off from SVP (and in turn NM) to do our own thing.
What exactly are you wanting us to react to again? Seems to me like we did what you are praising Synergy for doing, before Synergy did. We just did it in a different manner, which could be expected if you know my history in this game.
im not familar with current status of republic so i stand corrected...you have done exactly what i meant....its time more clans follow suit is all im saying...republic has done it, so has synergy, whos next
R0B nightmare compared to before is not much bigger, nightmare is basically incubo, siliconknights, gunther's small clan, and ravenclaw's 2 clan's... how are we a huge bad zerg? Basically its the same amount of people but add RC
Sry folks but i grab quotes so that my words are not taken out of context and allows for easy comparison to what was said, to what i am saying. Please bear with me.
I think that coulda been summed up as Kamisama is evil and so is Synergy. My eyes hurt...
I am, by no means, trying to define Kamisama/Synergy as EVIL....but i do dispute this sudden turn of events where Kami is trying to paint a picture of synergy being a development because he feels it is what is best for the server ( as far as pvp, the NM vrs M war, and how the rest
of the server is affected as a result). Kamisama has always, in the past, shown himself, to have few scruples in what would be considered "fair play" and has worked ppl like temporary resouces to be exploited, and once thay had run their usefulness, displaced. Sry Jetta...might want to take some visine now.
For the Aden siege, if you think it was payback then youre crazy.
I am not crazy. Evry1 has voices in their head don't they? But seriously tho....if you think that i am going to believe that it wasn't planned well in advance and wasn't payback....then i suggest you hop back on your meds. Your not the only person in the game with access to information. Difference between you and me...you enjoy flaunting it like it makes you look like some sort of smart guy ROFL. Keep it up bub, makes you look rather foolish as it appears hacking vents/private forums etc. is what you need to win....and well....as ervry1 knows...Kami NEEDS to win.
When I decided to take a break I knew EA needed time to restructure or do something different without my leadership. I gave Aden to Hugo. Then I left for break and Beliar came back and thought otherwise, cant help you there.
Odd that you say this. From the general concensus of that time we 'stole' Aden from EA and no one would come forward from that original discussion to admit that. So glad that now you have, albeit several months too late. As far as g4ybriel was concerned this 'deal' was never struck in the first place.
As for your views on me recruiting your members. Ive talked about forming my own ally with a few NM members before. The first and foremost, is one whos still in your alliance. I didnt approach him the way you said, it was only after he shared his feelings that things progressed. He in fact, introduced me to the rest of the people that left.
Don't know who you are talkin about but my inforamtion was derived from 3 ppl who are still in my allaince and 2 in another allaince, I spoke with each indidvidually, each giving a suspiciously similar account of your 'appraoch'. Say what you will, but they have no reason to lie about this...
I never threatened GG alliance for KOS for sieging.
<echo>Say what you will, but they have no reason to lie about this..<echo>
So i guess you are a coward and i must ask you why you're lying to the public .....fair game yes?
Do you know what even caused those people to leave? Or do you prefer to disregard them as lesser people, without knowing their reasons. We could correct you on a lot of things, but theres no point since its based off an opinion gone months back. I take your post as nothing more than a joke, but seems pretty rude to people that were once with your clan.
Well is this fairly hypocritical? Don't get me wrong here. The ppl that left NM to join synergy all left for thier own reasons, most of which i know of and understand, the rest i couldn't care less. But how can you tell ppl to handel this with class when you yourself have dealt with fusion's decision to leave M and fight with us with even less respect. Sure, some of them said cr@p in ally chat that you might find less than respectful, but hey, do you see me planting screen shots of conversations of DanneBanne or RobinX here do you. You say Fusion was giving away M positions and plant this screen shot in the forums in a futile attemp to back up your words: http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=371627
This screen shot is of Mori discussing Fusion and how they have been recently interacting with our alliance. what your screen shot doesn't show is the actuall date that Mori posted that. It was on the 17th. Two days AFTER the OREN seige that they attended with us....i believe they were well out of the M allaince at that time yes? SO with that in context....would it seems that perhaps Mori was describing event AFTER they left allaince? Noooo Kami would like to make them all look bad and paint a different picture here. But woe the man to make anyone who joined his alliance look bad. that would be such a crime wouldn't it. /sarcasm off
Regardless, one of these former NM provided you with access to our private forums so gg Kami, it made the last sentence in that quote make your post into a complete joke.
You want ppl to treat you and your alliance with respect Kami then i suggest you lead by example.
I dont even know who your officers are! I dont think I tried recruiting anyone from RC, Oz wouldnt be too happy about that! I didnt try recruiting the high levels of NM. Theres plenty in there that never were considered or approached. Would you like to compare the number of 75s NM has fighting for them vs the number we have?
If you don't know who they are then i suggest you get informed because i know one of the RC officers you did appraoch...but you can go ahead and deny it all ya like. And yes...i would like to compare the number of lvl 75s NM has fighting for us vs the number you have.
My entire mage group ran out of mana killing you guys while you ported into DVC. You brought in 5 groups on our 2 by the end. The sad thing is you think we feel bad about a fight like that...
Spare me with the..."OOO WE WILL FIGHT REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBERS AND WE ALL DIE", when all i hear in vent is how your pming half a dozen ppl crying that we don't repond with equal numbers to your gank parties....
Dude, this fight will not be brought on your terms, we will bring as many as want to come...and as was told to us back when M outnumbered us in pvp by 3 to 1 (you leading it i might mention)...."not our fault so many ppl wanna come out to kill yas" I might have even believed that you guys would even be willing to pvp with 2-1 odds when i see in less than an hour one of your gank parties try to gank us in disciples twice, only to find 2 parties standing and ready for you....rather than fight i see a party recall before the first blow is struck...twice...gg Kami and gl with that....sincerely.
and finally...
as someone who fought against(not with) EAA and being KOS'd most of c1-c2, i don't agree with you mourns on about just every point you've made.
-MugiMugi
Wow it must be soo difficult to say you disagree....big shocker there...mind explaining how then. I would be very interested in your perspective.
Its useless to debate the motives behind why kamisama formed synergy because 1. you can't read his mind, and 2. most people have already formed a definate opinion over the last year of whether kami is honest or untrustworthy. That said, the you can discuss all you want about kami's record as a despot or methods or whatever historical data you want, but the past doesn't always predict the future. Likewise, it sometimes is, but it's not something to be used as the foundation of an argument.
The second pertains to numbers in pvp, and relates to the nature of pvp on gustin, which is NOT to produce "fair" (when i say fair, i mean reasonable) fights. If one group in clan A ganks a group of alliance B in DVC, every clan on gustin, N, M, O, Q, R, whatever, is going to bring back 3 stacked groups. There's no debating this, it's true for every clan.
Synergy claims they would only take one group back down to fight... Mori says N can beat synergy in even numbers anytime... it should make for good pvp, if everyone keeps promises- we'll see in the coming months.
btw Mourns, if you were talking about this afternoon, I saw the whole thing, and the war tags (Fusion vs Aurora) made it trickier than how you made it out. After running around aden for a bit, Aurora and Fusion did a couple 9v9s at FP.
While I understand that it may take you a while to acclimate yourself in light of recent events, I do not feel that it is reason enough for stentorian objections. I'd like to touch on a few points, but I'll try to keep this as expeditious as possible. I'm not trying to proselytize here, but I hope you'll find that the intentions and characteristics of Synergy are equable. While I'm sure that the policies of the clan are not sacrosanct, indefatigable effort will be put into maintaining a distance from previous methods and political action.
I find that such threads are often gravid with exaggeration and senseless hyperbole, and I rue the funereal day that insightful discussion passed. Debate now centers around the flibbertigibbet, seemingly vet by the immature mass of readers. We have reached the acme of thoughtful in-game action, only to watch those around us efface it with their words here. They try to stanch consideration, and they aggress with excursus after excursus. The result is a not an informative or enjoyable thread but a cataract of mazy posts that entreat the sort of hypnagogic drabble we all certainly despise.
I assure you, in spite of my florid manner, Synergy is a simple leitmotif, and quite modestly, the minimalist's bon ton. We are not fungible with the old style EA, and certainly we will not transmogrify into the sort of clan that would even be capable of utilizing many of the methods that EA used. The creation of this clan is a benefaction; a salutary enaction with the purpose of marking the interstice between old and new ways. I doubt I've created any neophytes, but perhaps I have managed to quell some dyspeptic attitudes.
it's very simple guy, fight, pvp, play the game, enjoy the game, why making such long hard to read and understand post to bash someone? ever since i was tagged i had been fighting EA, do i hate them? the way they played the game ( or what you might call "ruined the server")? no, it never even mattered to me who we fought, i enjoyed fighting with those friends i was with at that time as i do now, fighting in a small alliance and being the underdog always seemed to be more fun :)
<echo> hate the game, don't hate the players! <echo>
Hey Mournsbot! Are you feeling lonely now that your daddy quit the game and left you to rott? I will enjoy putting you out of your misery for old time sakes.
Hey Mournsbot! Are you feeling lonely now that your daddy quit the game and left you to rott? I will enjoy putting you out of your misery for old time sakes.
Hey Mournsbot! Are you feeling lonely now that your daddy quit the game and left you to rott? I will enjoy putting you out of your misery for old time sakes.
Its useless to debate the motives behind why kamisama formed synergy because 1. you can't read his mind, and 2. most people have already formed a definate opinion over the last year of whether kami is honest or untrustworthy. That said, the you can discuss all you want about kami's record as a despot or methods or whatever historical data you want, but the past doesn't always predict the future. Likewise, it sometimes is, but it's not something to be used as the foundation of an argument.
1.I don't need to read his mind to debate his motives
2. Not exacttly true. Some ppl are just beginning to see who kami reely is....and they don't like what they see. Honesty and trustworthiness were not adjectives they used. Some of us with long experience with this guy want to make sure that those who are just starting in this game and who may end up dealing with this guy, know exactly what they are dealing with....and as for "the past doesn't always predict the future."....perhaps it doesn't....but in this case it gives you a very good look at the character of who your dealing with...and with that in mind, is perfect for the foundation for this arguement.
Synergy claims they would only take one group back down to fight... Mori says N can beat synergy in even numbers anytime... it should make for good pvp, if everyone keeps promises- we'll see in the coming months.
DUDE...from what i keep hearing, Synergy continuously claims that they are now just in it (the game) for the pvp, even outnumbered they will still fight, and will happily go down fighting despite overwhelming numbers. But from what i personally seen, Synergy is BSOE/partyrecalling when the fight comes to them and then i hear Kami is pming some1 crying about the numbers that we brought. So my words for Kami is this....DUDE SUCK IT UP...i will promise you this, NM will bring as many as it wants to kill you as many times as we want. I didn't see them suddenly stop, say to them selves when they saw just me and Acuzzz in our 2 man XP group,"hold up guys...there is 9 of us and only two of them...that wouldn't be fair...lets just move on".....no me and Acuzzz simply stood there (flagging was obvious suicied) and was killed where we stood. So, in saying that, i expect no quarter from mine enemy, and they should expect none from me.
BTW, no i was not talking about "this afternoon"...i'm talking about the day before.
Also
Craigatron - dude, if you had any idea about what you just said then you would realize you just said a whole lot of nuthin.
MugiMugi - this was how you disagree with my every point? Nice job.
maybe you and craig can get together and have a shot at an original thought.
AlbelTheWicked (a.k.a g4ybriel) - <3 you to man. Um and my daddy never quit the game....he was never playin...believe it or not, a 76 yr old man has better things to do, but thxs for your concern. Putting me out of my misery? Try comming out and doing ANYTHING! Just yesterday we were discussing in vent how your almost non-existant. Regardless, i am curious about your perspective on this new Synergy development. How does it make you feel? What is you political stance on all this? Do you stand by your man till death do you part? Curious as to how this works when some of the former NM in his clan, were ppl that you would flame on the boards as boaters and that you would kill them all on sight. Guess Kami has you on a pretty tight leash eh? But don't feel so bad...at least you managed to get a post out without having to edit it 15 times, and still mess it up completely.
You say were doing a lot of BSOEing from fights, and thats pretty far off. Weve fought a lot, and weve also died alot. In the end of most fights where both sides gets as much as they can, we end up with a lot of dead, but sometimes killing just as many. Regardless, I wouldnt expect that since you guys like to camp corpses. I dont really konw what this proves, but its something you do. You say I cry about the numbers you bring, but thats pretty far off. I fought against 2 groups yesterday and killed them until we ran out of mana.. we walked out of disciples because we had no mana left to kill the last 4-5 people of the 2 groups. I ask why you have to bring an extra group when you already had one. Apparently it wasnt fair we brought 7 people vs the 7 PvE group, because an EE, TH, 2 HE, BD/sws, OL is a group that cant PvP. Im glad you dont deny accepting anyone who is willing to fight us to join by your side. You say, 'we will bring anyone we want' just like Mori.. cute. :p As far as 'crying about numbers' goes, the only 'complaining' youre interpretting is my questions why people have to stack together to win fights. "suck it up?" I guess we are, you dont see us backing down? I think craig knows exactly what hes talking about, in the use of his words. I think hes a wise goru... He will show you theres more than 1 way to skin a lepord! ;)
The pve group that was in disc yesterday was 1 SR, 1 BD, 1 warcryer, 1 EE, 1 boxed prophet, 1 sws, how is that 7 people and how is that a good pvp setup against ur necro pt?...
Regardless, I wouldnt expect that since you guys like to camp corpses. I dont really konw what this proves, but its something you do. You say I cry about the numbers you bring, but thats pretty far off.
Kami, lol
I distinctly remember a fight in Dark Omens a few weeks ago, and you were there camping corpses. Also, two days ago in disciples, a syn party came in, killed a NM/RC party and stayed at the corpses until a NM party arrived at the entrance of disciples to save them. Also, I seem to remember a few weeks ago right before an Aden siege, you guys camping our corpses on ToI 10th as such we all clicked to town. Along with too many other times to count that our corpses have been camped by people on your side.
So, again, don't cry about us camping corpses. You are in the almighty alliance of pvpers who doesn't care about exp aren't you? Click to town ffs, if its so unimportant. Or is the PL queue filled for the time being to get that exp back for everyone? May take a while you know? Getting all that exp back for everyone.
As far as crying about the numbers. You do, so does your alliance. Usually when they're dead on the ground its something like "zerg" "you call that gf? lol nice numbers" "zerg" "zerg"
And just like I told you in PM's. You wanted your alliance small, you created it that way, it was your plan from the beginning. So just because you can't take the heat, doesn't give you a right to cry about numbers when its out of choice as opposed to necessity. If you can't handle it, then recruit more or choose your enemies a bit more wisely. But ffs, stop crying. There is no governing law in L2 that says you're only allowed to have 3 clans to fight with you.
Perhaps Kamisama underestimated his ultimate power. Unlike how things used to be, you no longer have 20 levels and an entire grade of gear above your enemies.
The pve group that was in disc yesterday was 1 SR, 1 BD, 1 warcryer, 1 EE, 1 boxed prophet, 1 sws, how is that 7 people and how is that a good pvp setup against ur necro pt?...
Iriou was there and i'm pretty sure another HE and Incognito on his 75 TH, we had a half ***** pt - including no healer as we knew it was an exp party, regardless the EE recalled on sight of fearsome IrCute, the party didn't even know who we had and it's clear you don't either.
The pve group that was in disc yesterday was 1 SR, 1 BD, 1 warcryer, 1 EE, 1 boxed prophet, 1 sws, how is that 7 people and how is that a good pvp setup against ur necro pt?...
Iriou was there and i'm pretty sure another HE and Incognito on his 75 TH, we had a half ***** pt - including no healer as we knew it was an exp party, regardless the EE recalled on sight of fearsome IrCute, the party didn't even know who we had and it's clear you don't either.
So you're saying you didn't have atleast 2 necro's in that party? Because I don't think you were there, infact, you asked to come, but I believe Kami told you not to?
The pve group that was in disc yesterday was 1 SR, 1 BD, 1 warcryer, 1 EE, 1 boxed prophet, 1 sws, how is that 7 people and how is that a good pvp setup against ur necro pt?...
Incognito, Iriou, Fator, Histeria, Xunakkt, Seraph, Fllay, Elendill + boxed prophet. Wasnt hard to look at fraps. Its safer to say you dont know, than to assume.
I am, by no means, trying to define Kamisama/Synergy as EVIL....but i do dispute this sudden turn of events where Kami is trying to paint a picture of synergy being a development because he feels it is what is best for the server ( as far as pvp, the NM vrs M war, and how the rest
of the server is affected as a result). Kamisama has always, in the past, shown himself, to have few scruples in what would be considered "fair play" and has worked ppl like temporary resouces to be exploited, and once thay had run their usefulness, displaced. Sry Jetta...might want to take some visine now.
Craigatron - dude, if you had any idea about what you just said then you would realize you just said a whole lot of nuthin.
I assume that you assume that I don't know enough about what I've said to realize what what I've said is. However, sir, I believe if you knew what I said, you'd know enough to know I knew about what I said and that I knew what I was saying, if you know what I'm saying. So, if you know, say something, I won't say anything.
You know thats not true yourself, you know me better you just dont want to spill it out in the forums.
Btw just heard u did good in a 1v1 vs Soutif? He used cancel which is one of his skills and ur whole pt attacked him? Real nice and fair, mori got killed by danne while watching?
You know thats not true yourself, you know me better you just dont want to spill it out in the forums.
Btw just heard u did good in a 1v1 vs Soutif? He used cancel which is one of his skills and ur whole pt attacked him? Real nice and fair, mori got killed by danne while watching?
I guess its not ok to use cancel in 1v1.
Actually we agreed otherwise. (http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=373617) 1v1ing a canceller isnt interesting for any class. I said 1v1 unbuffed. He said 1v1 with mental aegis. We started, he cancelled just my aegis. He likes to sleep and aura flare in pvp. You wont see him do much else.
well u still havent replied to my other post where i asked you to explain it, is it because u dont want to or is it just because u cant come up with anymore bs?
LOL, Soutif just 1v1 you like you play this game. Say Right and then go Left. But I must admit that you are a lot better in this than him...
Yes! I'm sure he thought he could nuke his way through Kami's TP before the rest of us reacted! Atleast speak with the guy before you make up random crap to defend him.
LOL, Soutif just 1v1 you like you play this game. Say Right and then go Left. But I must admit that you are a lot better in this than him...
Taupe: That doesnt hold much water when I try to 1v1 and hes the first to break rules he agreed to.
Hugo: Thats an arguement I dont see ending Hugo and its based solely on opinion. For one, you said you own Synergy in equal numbers in PvP every single time. And I can rebut that statement with your group trying to flank me yesterday.. :confused:
Whats the point of asking someone for a 1v1 then telling them they're not allowed to use their skills because you believe them overpowered.
Yes, cancel right now is overpowered, why? because a level 50 sorc/sps can cancel all buffs on a level 75 player. Thats overpowered, but a level 75 sps/sorc should be able to cancel all buffs on an equal or lower level player. Should it be 100%? No not always, but lets say it should have a chance to be 100%. If not, theres no point in investing SP to level up Cancel to level 8, you could leave it at level 1 and land 100% as the game is now. In either case, you get my point. But from one overpowered class to another, i think its funny. You have transfer pain, silence, anchor, and you can drain HP while you kill someone. Even if you get canceled one keystroke and TP is back on, which means you're taking 1/2 damage pretty much, while killing the opponent, and gaining life at the same time if you're using vamp claw.
That makes you a DD mage that can take the damage of a tank, and heal himself in the process.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel. And certainly don't ask for people not to use their skills in a pvp, especially when you come from what is now an extremely overpowered class, and is going to be even moreso in the next chronicle.
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel. You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
I dont bother wearing a NM set for 1v1ing a mage. Its pointless. You say Im sad for asking for that in the first place. But asking people to 1v1 with buffs when youre a canceller isnt sad. We agreed to Aegis, so I couldnt silence and we couldnt just sleep eachother(easily). But she cancelled that too. I didnt ask for the 1v1 either, stupid post.
Whats the point of asking someone for a 1v1 then telling them they're not allowed to use their skills because you believe them overpowered.
Yes, cancel right now is overpowered, why? because a level 50 sorc/sps can cancel all buffs on a level 75 player. Thats overpowered, but a level 75 sps/sorc should be able to cancel all buffs on an equal or lower level player. Should it be 100%? No not always, but lets say it should have a chance to be 100%. If not, theres no point in investing SP to level up Cancel to level 8, you could leave it at level 1 and land 100% as the game is now. In either case, you get my point. But from one overpowered class to another, i think its funny. You have transfer pain, silence, anchor, and you can drain HP while you kill someone. Even if you get canceled one keystroke and TP is back on, which means you're taking 1/2 damage pretty much, while killing the opponent, and gaining life at the same time if you're using vamp claw.
That makes you a DD mage that can take the damage of a tank, and heal himself in the process.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel. And certainly don't ask for people not to use their skills in a pvp, especially when you come from what is now an extremely overpowered class, and is going to be even moreso in the next chronicle.
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel. You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
No one need to hear ur opinion on who is overpowered and whos not, if u think u are being put at a disadvantage, then simply don't agree to it.
Whats the point of asking someone for a 1v1 then telling them they're not allowed to use their skills because you believe them overpowered.
Yes, cancel right now is overpowered, why? because a level 50 sorc/sps can cancel all buffs on a level 75 player. Thats overpowered, but a level 75 sps/sorc should be able to cancel all buffs on an equal or lower level player. Should it be 100%? No not always, but lets say it should have a chance to be 100%. If not, theres no point in investing SP to level up Cancel to level 8, you could leave it at level 1 and land 100% as the game is now. In either case, you get my point. But from one overpowered class to another, i think its funny. You have transfer pain, silence, anchor, and you can drain HP while you kill someone. Even if you get canceled one keystroke and TP is back on, which means you're taking 1/2 damage pretty much, while killing the opponent, and gaining life at the same time if you're using vamp claw.
That makes you a DD mage that can take the damage of a tank, and heal himself in the process.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel. And certainly don't ask for people not to use their skills in a pvp, especially when you come from what is now an extremely overpowered class, and is going to be even moreso in the next chronicle.
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel. You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
No one need to hear ur opinion on who is overpowered and whos not, if u think u are being put at a disadvantage, then simply don't agree to it.
For someone who went to such a prestigious school as you claim to have attended, I'd have thought that you would have actually read my post before responding and realized that was the exact point I was trying to make.
edit: I went back and hilighted it for you incase you missed it again.
LOL, you sir are awesome. By any chance you ever seePrincess Bride, if not, there is a scene in that movie you would preticularly like
I assume that you assume that I don't know enough about what I've said to realize what what I've said is. However, sir, I believe if you knew what I said, you'd know enough to know I knew about what I said and that I knew what I was saying, if you know what I'm saying. So, if you know, say something, I won't say anything.
You know thats not true yourself, you know me better you just dont want to spill it out in the forums.
Btw just heard u did good in a 1v1 vs Soutif? He used cancel which is one of his skills and ur whole pt attacked him? Real nice and fair, mori got killed by danne while watching?
I guess its not ok to use cancel in 1v1.
Actually we agreed otherwise. (http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=373617) 1v1ing a canceller isnt interesting for any class. I said 1v1 unbuffed. He said 1v1 with mental aegis. We started, he cancelled just my aegis. He likes to sleep and aura flare in pvp. You wont see him do much else.
I do the same thing with kami. If a sps/sorc challanges me to a 1v1 I always say an unbuffed fight and i won't use silence. Why give them the advantage of using cancel within a few seconds? Why challenge somene to 1v1 if you are going to kill any chance of them winning in 2 seconds?
Whats the point of asking someone for a 1v1 then telling them they're not allowed to use their skills because you believe them overpowered.
Yes, cancel right now is overpowered, why? because a level 50 sorc/sps can cancel all buffs on a level 75 player. Thats overpowered, but a level 75 sps/sorc should be able to cancel all buffs on an equal or lower level player. Should it be 100%? No not always, but lets say it should have a chance to be 100%. If not, theres no point in investing SP to level up Cancel to level 8, you could leave it at level 1 and land 100% as the game is now. In either case, you get my point. But from one overpowered class to another, i think its funny. You have transfer pain, silence, anchor, and you can drain HP while you kill someone. Even if you get canceled one keystroke and TP is back on, which means you're taking 1/2 damage pretty much, while killing the opponent, and gaining life at the same time if you're using vamp claw.
That makes you a DD mage that can take the damage of a tank, and heal himself in the process.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel. And certainly don't ask for people not to use their skills in a pvp, especially when you come from what is now an extremely overpowered class, and is going to be even moreso in the next chronicle.
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel. You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
No one need to hear ur opinion on who is overpowered and whos not, if u think u are being put at a disadvantage, then simply don't agree to it.
For someone who went to such a prestigious school as you claim to have attended, I'd have thought that you would have actually read my post before responding and realized that was the exact point I was trying to make.
edit: I went back and hilighted it for you incase you missed it again.
Clearly you are the smart one here, since according to the SS above, soutif was the one who agreed to the 1v1 w/o cancel, besides, I can pretty much assume soutif was the one that challenged kami in the first place.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel.
but
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel.
because
You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
And finally, to Kami, you say it would be pointless to pvp any mage class with NM on, yet you ran around for how long wearing doom which is +2 int -3 WIT as opposed to.. say Avadon or BW, which both work out to about 15% cast speed, netting you a whole -30% casting speed. And never seemed to have any issues.
Whats the point of asking someone for a 1v1 then telling them they're not allowed to use their skills because you believe them overpowered.
Yes, cancel right now is overpowered, why? because a level 50 sorc/sps can cancel all buffs on a level 75 player. Thats overpowered, but a level 75 sps/sorc should be able to cancel all buffs on an equal or lower level player. Should it be 100%? No not always, but lets say it should have a chance to be 100%. If not, theres no point in investing SP to level up Cancel to level 8, you could leave it at level 1 and land 100% as the game is now. In either case, you get my point. But from one overpowered class to another, i think its funny. You have transfer pain, silence, anchor, and you can drain HP while you kill someone. Even if you get canceled one keystroke and TP is back on, which means you're taking 1/2 damage pretty much, while killing the opponent, and gaining life at the same time if you're using vamp claw.
That makes you a DD mage that can take the damage of a tank, and heal himself in the process.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel. And certainly don't ask for people not to use their skills in a pvp, especially when you come from what is now an extremely overpowered class, and is going to be even moreso in the next chronicle.
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel. You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
No one need to hear ur opinion on who is overpowered and whos not, if u think u are being put at a disadvantage, then simply don't agree to it.
For someone who went to such a prestigious school as you claim to have attended, I'd have thought that you would have actually read my post before responding and realized that was the exact point I was trying to make.
edit: I went back and hilighted it for you incase you missed it again.
Aegis isn't a skill neither had, why was it requested by the canceller? i thought you'd read through what was already given as fact before you ask it again.
Aegis isn't a skill neither had, why was it requested by the canceller? i thought you'd read through what was already given as fact before you ask it again.
Very valid point, one i think we all missed. Def think soutif intended on using cancel in that case, no other reason to request mental angis.
Aegis isn't a skill neither had, why was it requested by the canceller? i thought you'd read through what was already given as fact before you ask it again.
Very valid point, one i think we all missed. Def think soutif intended on using cancel in that case, no other reason to request mental angis.
Because if you've ever pvp'd unbuffed with a class that can silence you'll find that its pretty much a 100% land rate without aegis using BSPS. PPC silenced me at level 72 with his level 40 necro and it landed first try. At the time I was unbuffed in +3 BO/Majestic.
And Mugi, Spellsingers/Sorcs kill Necros like this.
Its how its done, otherwise it costs 2x as much mana and 2x as much time to kill them, if its a 1v1, they have you targeted and are shooting back. Kami knows **** well that with TP on and both sides having aegis theres little chance that pvp could have been won without the use of cancel or a lucky crit.
You want a fair fight? You have to sacrifice too. No cancel, no TP - then go at it with aegis.
Its a skill they have, if you don't like it, don't 1v1 a class with cancel.
but
And you're going to respond to this, I know saying that "It was agreed no cancel" and to that I say that you are sad in the first place for even asking for no cancel.
because
You know for a fact that with TP on, and aegis theres little chance without a lucky crit that any class can beat a necro. It costs literally 2x as many spells to kill you. Next time wear a NM set, that way you won't have to fear not having aegis in a 1v1.
And finally, to Kami, you say it would be pointless to pvp any mage class with NM on, yet you ran around for how long wearing doom which is +2 int -3 WIT as opposed to.. say Avadon or BW, which both work out to about 15% cast speed, netting you a whole -30% casting speed. And never seemed to have any issues.
I wore doom when it had no set bonus. I had it breifly to swap with Doom heavy when FS used to put like 20 people on me and I could run in a circle while they all died. Thanks for the tips though.
It was obvious Soutif didnt want a fair fight. He just kept saying yes ok yes just to get out there. Agreeing not to cancel, and with aegis no sleeping or silencing, thats fine too. If he couldnt beat me without cancelling he shouldnt have invited to fight, unless he just wanted to PvP for the hell of it. I see nothing to gain or show in a 1v1, so I didnt invite it, nor will you see me walking around boasting about my class.
I wore doom when it had no set bonus. I had it breifly to swap with Doom heavy when FS used to put like 20 people on me and I could run in a circle while they all died. Thanks for the tips though.
How is it possible that Fs used to put like 20 people on you and you would switch to Doom heavy when there were no set bonuses, when Fs didn't even leave EA until C2, when the set bonuses already existed.
That is, I used doom robes for awhile in C1. In c2 I used doom robes still until I got something else. And I used a health weapon + doom heavy backup for bigger PvP... until I switched to blue wolf. Its not flawed, just misunderstood.
Soutif agreed to a fight with rules that put him at a disadvantage. Broke the rules and got called for it. In all honesty thats fair even if the fight wasnt. Was dumb conditions to agree on.
To be fair cancel is the only way that fight would have gone in Soutif's favor beyond a freak crit or lucky sleep. If your gonna die anyway might as well try cancel!
That is, I used doom robes for awhile in C1. In c2 I used doom robes still until I got something else. And I used a health weapon + doom heavy backup for bigger PvP... until I switched to blue wolf.
OK, so you were still running around with -30% available casting speed, which was my original point that I made which you tried to shoot down.
Youre saying I should carry around 2 different full sets, which I dont think makes sense when youre equipping a clan. If youre point is I(anyone) should carry around different sets of armor for various scenarios, then ok. Im not trying to shoot down your points, Im just telling you what I used and when. Stop being such a [censored].
Youre saying I should carry around 2 different full sets, which I dont think makes sense when youre equipping a clan. If youre point is I(anyone) should carry around different sets of armor for various scenarios, then ok. Im not trying to shoot down your points, Im just telling you what I used and when. Stop being such a [censored].
I've seen you running around in DC and NM robes, so I know you have access to both. I also know that you have over 200mil in your personal inventory. I'm not telling you what you should and shouldn't carry around, but as you've already stated in about 5 replies it has never been uncommon for you to have two sets of armor in your inventory for various purposes.
Wow Kami, i got a button today didn't I? You just called me a [censored]. I'm honored, it takes quite a bit of prodding to ruffle your feathers.
You dont get me angry, when I know thats all you want to do. But when you turn your words to try to 'prove a point about how Im wrong' when there isnt a need to, its annoying. I had a NM armor for awhile when I gave my DC set to someone else. When we got another DC helm, I took robes back. I give and take things from the clan. You wont always see me with the best weapons and equip in the clan, sorry for your misunderstanding! Doom robes + a heavy set != 2 sets of full armor. Once C3 came, double armors of the same type stopped happening in our clan.
You dont get me angry, when I know thats all you want to do. But when you turn your words to try to 'prove a point about how Im wrong' when there isnt a need to, its annoying. I had a NM armor for awhile when I gave my DC set to someone else. When we got another DC helm, I took robes back. I give and take things from the clan. You wont always see me with the best weapons and equip in the clan, sorry for your misunderstanding! Doom robes + a heavy set != 2 sets of full armor. Once C3 came, double armors of the same type stopped happening in our clan.
Well I guess I can't join then.. was hoping for a backup Majestic set for when my Tallum just ain't cutting it. ;)
How about a weapon replacement when i go to +4 my Kesh's :D
See Mori for this. Apparently when you drop +3 Maj neck in pvp you get +4 maj necks the next day NP! We tried throwing a +3 DLE on the ground yesterday and got the same thing back, still not sure how it works.
How about a weapon replacement when i go to +4 my Kesh's :D
See Mori for this. Apparently when you drop +3 Maj neck in pvp you get +4 maj necks the next day NP! We tried throwing a +3 DLE on the ground yesterday and got the same thing back, still not sure how it works.
okay...I took the time to read EVER post on this ****ed thread so I"m going to reply....I"m a VERY simple kind of person who get's confused easily...so can we all please leave out the big words, and intelligent sounding bull [censored] and put it simply...people are ****** at each other because of a war..in a GAME...i repeat A GAME... Life goes on..people get PK'd and the politics won't ever end..so can't we all just show a little love..Pk pple in good humor..AND HAVE SOME ****ED FUN??? thank you very much..have a good year and praise the L2 gods!!!
9 pages later and i think the only response i got was that i was stupid in flames for roughly half a page.....by monte and company...anyone else got something else to say or has this thread turned into gustin usual posts
this was a usual gustin post the minute it was started lol. Slap a clans name on a thread don't expect to get anyworth while content besides flames flames and more flames. Once in a blue moon you see to people having decent replies to eachother but eventually it goes back to flames, but hey! its game and its fun to flame.
so let the flamming continue because as soon as this thread dies and is forgotten another will take its place and we will talk about the same old gustin drama which is why these boards are here arent they? I love it tho keeps me updated on my favorite drama and ready for when i come back to know whos doing what where when and why! =D
Origin- From the Bible. Jeremiah 13:23. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
The Bible teaches us that Synergy is a pack of Leopards and Kami is an Ethiopian, both of which are inheritly evil and worship Satan.
Origin- From the Bible. Jeremiah 13:23. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
The Bible teaches us that Synergy is a pack of Leopards and Kami is an Ethiopian, both of which are inheritly evil and worship Satan.
Praise Jesus. Kill Synergy.
LOL...these are the posts that make gustin unique....this reminds me of c1...what ICHII used to refer to as a MORAL CRUSADE...
Aegis isn't a skill neither had, why was it requested by the canceller? i thought you'd read through what was already given as fact before you ask it again.
Very valid point, one i think we all missed. Def think soutif intended on using cancel in that case, no other reason to request mental angis.
Because if you've ever pvp'd unbuffed with a class that can silence you'll find that its pretty much a 100% land rate without aegis using BSPS. PPC silenced me at level 72 with his level 40 necro and it landed first try. At the time I was unbuffed in +3 BO/Majestic.
And Mugi, Spellsingers/Sorcs kill Necros like this.
Its how its done, otherwise it costs 2x as much mana and 2x as much time to kill them, if its a 1v1, they have you targeted and are shooting back. Kami knows **** well that with TP on and both sides having aegis theres little chance that pvp could have been won without the use of cancel or a lucky crit.
You want a fair fight? You have to sacrifice too. No cancel, no TP - then go at it with aegis.
to make it fair fight? how about no buffs and you can cancel all you want?
Yeah, Thats what I dont get. Soutif had cancel which lands ALL the time regardless. And Kami has silience, which is a skill he has. So Soutif requests mental Aegis so that Silience cant land, which is fair enough because they said no canceling, so kami using silience probably wouldnt have happened neways. So basically soutif was gonna do it form the begining. And by do it i mean not perform a fair fight.
I think its funny when people read what others say and assume the other people are actually taking this to seriously and not using it to fill spare time.
Then those people get seriously upset at others, who they think are getting to serious, when in fact those people can only stare at insurance quotes for so long before they want to do something else.
What I find amusing is the people who say "I don't want politics I just want to kill people." ummm hello this is a clan on clan game, of course there are politics. If you don't want politics go play CS or Halo.
And yeah.. the boards are about politics, and while the posts might seem serious, I doubt that most people take it to heart the way their posts might show. It's just about politics. ;)
Pretty sure I've never gotten upset over this game but halo and CS well thats another story... how do you not know how to defuse >_< or drive the freaking jeep steady so i can shoot the bastard on the wall with the rocket launcher!?!?!?! >_< pk pk!
umm.. Kami I missed your question on that one man. I wasn't referring to any one person or clan, although it is in your thread. Alot of people say they don't want politics and just want non stop PvP. My statement is that the game is about politics, and the PvP is generally a result of those politics, although not in every case. Some people just play L2 like it was CS.
Someone in synergy please teach Merethe or what ever his/her/its (Geezer Bird?) name is because she sucks at it real bad. Also remind it that training doesnt work on people who know how they work seeing as ive spent hour upon hour of training boats in this game like everyone else.
Pretty sure I've never gotten upset over this game but halo and CS well thats another story... how do you not know how to defuse >_< or drive the freaking jeep steady so i can shoot the bastard on the wall with the rocket launcher!?!?!?! >_< pk pk!