The pvp fun of the last few days has come to an end. Thanks for keeping it clean and avaiding the trash talk. Yeah yall owned us but it was fun and we learned alot. Especialy were loyalty comes in from our own side. But none the less thanks for the fun.
Im not sure if you guys planned out where you were waiting up in DV, but it was right on a lag spike line. So as soon as we saw all you and headed toward you guys, all we heard in vent was -_-! -_-! -_-! Lag!!. I came out of the lag, flagged on your OL and landed into your aura flare ;) It wasnt my most shining moment lol.
I was trying to get ahold of the alliance leader numerous times and never caught up to him. We told Likurg and MysticBabe multiple times we wanted an alliance war, im suprised they didnt relay that info.
Like I said it was luck. I know we have pvped in arena b4 and i have been owned with a vengence.
As far as Likurg and Mysticbabe I am sure their reason for not accepting was due to the fact we knew from get go we would get owned. You guys have the numbers and the lvls something we did not. Our experiance in pvp is limited to a few 1v1 some siges and Arena style. For those of us who were excited about the prosepects of pvp we did not care about the war tag or le loss of xp. For those of us who were afraid of pvp they droped alliance and join you or droped allinace with out telling any one any thing. Either way we learned who had our back and who didn't.
Alliance war means so much more then less exp loss.
I dont understand how people still don't get that here.
I know man.. especially all the mage heavy clans.
I still think people don't realize that if you are at war that you can use your debuffs/roots/sleeps WITHOUT having to wait for the other guy to flag. :(
also you can potentially lose MORE exp then in a flag war.
Example:I am an SR i see an Prophet SE and nuker exping. I get the drop on the nuker drop him and take out the healers. In flag war I woulda needed to PK and go work off karma in a taged war you cna kill and move on for more and cause more exp loss to their members rather then sitting and working off the karma for 30 min to go back again!
I still think people don't realize that if you are at war that you can use your debuffs/roots/sleeps WITHOUT having to wait for the other guy to flag. :(
Just nuke the hell out of him till he flags back then use debuff. Im a mage and could care less about not being able to use all my skills.
War can be nice cuz you can totally grief your enemies by sneaking up on them while they are xping and silence them, their healer or paralyze them. Let the mobs finish them off and maybe you get free gear like training farmers!
It wasnt about the xp or any thing. It was the fact that we knew we were gona get owned and it was our way of saying hey yall were gona whipe the floor with us. And yall did. I guess it was our preemptive way of admitting defeat.
I disagree. With each pvp/pk victory, its like killing 4 of them.
Its like exping though Licken. You can blow your mp on 4 mobs and get mucho exp. Then sit and regen for 10 minutes.
Or you can conserve MP and kill non-stop and not have to regen, therby gaining more exp in the long run.
In a war there is no red and no sin eater. So you dont have to stop killing to do those things, therby making the amount of kills you get greater in the same period of time. This has all been said before.
Also For us non-nukers, our specials are all we have. If I cant stun a healer/mage/Archer before they get away or sleep me, Im done. Even if I do Im probably done, but it at least gives me a chance.
It wasnt about the xp or any thing. It was the fact that we knew we were gona get owned and it was our way of saying hey yall were gona whipe the floor with us. And yall did. I guess it was our preemptive way of admitting defeat.
I disagree. With each pvp/pk victory, its like killing 4 of them.
Its like exping though Licken. You can blow your mp on 4 mobs and get mucho exp. Then sit and regen for 10 minutes.
Or you can conserve MP and kill non-stop and not have to regen, therby gaining more exp in the long run.
In a war there is no red and no sin eater. So you dont have to stop killing to do those things, therby making the amount of kills you get greater in the same period of time. This has all been said before.
Also For us non-nukers, our specials are all we have. If I cant stun a healer/mage/Archer before they get away or sleep me, Im done. Even if I do Im probably done, but it at least gives me a chance.
I agree with you in some aspects. War can be more fun then flag pvp when you large numbers on both sides going at it but I don't see those large battles that often. They are few and far between it seems. So, in small scale pvp's, I enjoy the flag system better. If each side to a war had 50 guys per side all the time constantly going at it then it would be a blast, but based on my experience it doesn't seem to happen that much. Maybe time zones screw things up alot when you want to kill evil NM pigs and vice versa I guess. So for now I will settle for picking off silly solo'ers and small parties for 4x xp death a pop. Different factors such as class, lvl, timezones, where you xp, etc, etc differ the outlook person to person. I'm sitting on 250+ pvp's and 100+ pk's vs NM + SVP currently. It's debatable whether or not I could have acheived the same results if it was normal war. Maybe more damage to the enemy over time, maybe less. No way to tell for sure really.
We were KOS to yall. We just decided a few times to fight back. But it was nothing that truly could be considered a war. And as to the reason it started was because both sides got their feelings hurt down in GOE.
I think that's why I prefer official wars Lick. It seems like people are more likely to get involved instead of hiding out in some xp spot somewhere soloing.
When everyone knows it's just a siege loss, you end up having bigger conflicts that tend to go on for a longer period of time. We had nights vs Koga where we went at each otehr 5 or 6 times, each side having an idea but not exact knowledge of where the other was. We didn't have to take off to go work off Karma or do sin eaters, instead we just went to the spot we thought would be the best ambush based on the idea that we figured they were coming back. lol
I see merits in both methods. I prefer the open war though myself, although for a BH I do gain an advantage in the KOS war since my stun does work on non flagged, and I don't have to worry about getting slept before I can get close enough to hit the mage. (course I can still be killed before I close the distance, but that's not too easy for most mages..HP+++)
We were KOS to yall. We just decided a few times to fight back. But it was nothing that truly could be considered a war. And as to the reason it started was because both sides got their feelings hurt down in GOE.
You had members who thought they could get one of our members killed and not be punished for it. (Fighting over an exp area, which is encouraged by me, as long as you are willing to back up your actions.)
Then, when punished, they felt the need to run off at the mouth. Your alliance backed up this action, so a war invite was sent out.
War was declined so KOS was carried out to teach your alliance a lesson in why we dont kill Republic members.
Like i said people got their feelings hurt down in GOE. Im not condoing the trashtalking and I have a good idea who it came from. And im pretty shure they did not show up to any of the fights at Deathpass Giran, Aden. But oh well i had fun.
I think your still missing my point. I am not here to trash talk or to insult or demean. I am using feelings got hurt as a generlization for actions. Both sides have differnet opinions as to the inital action that started it. Im not sayine we were right nor am i saying you were right. Whats done was done. There aint no point in going back.
And of course yall owned us 10 to 1 odds are very good.
Why do you not get that I am not trying to trash talk or "flame" or any of that. I never wanted a war/kos/what ever you want to call it. If you look at origoanl post you will see i said great job. So please stop trying to twist what im saying in to trash talk cuz its not what im about.
Stop being a ***** kut, you were from your first post.
Was that unexpected? You are always a *****, you should know better.
Our alliance was attacked and he treated it as if it was just some haha laugh it up pvp. I am just pointing out, the facts. We didnt attack his alliance and destroy it without cause.
Alliance war means so much more then less exp loss.
I dont understand how people still don't get that here.
I know man.. especially all the mage heavy clans.
I still think people don't realize that if you are at war that you can use your debuffs/roots/sleeps WITHOUT having to wait for the other guy to flag. :(
That's why a lot of people won't do the alliance war.. You've clearly never been grief-paralized/rooted while fighting a mob.
But 5 more days, and you'll have to flag even in alliance wars ^^
Give my shot at trying to explain what happened down in GoE, take in mind this is what I saw.
We had been AoEing down there for 2+ hours so when your guys (Republic) showed up some of the group got upset beacuse they didnt' want you to take the groups. Some went over and said some inappropriate stuff I'm sure(was out of white chat range) but after the group the little chit-chat your group said they were only going to pull 3-4 packs. At this point group/alliance leader said to leave them alone and let's just get going.
A little later the republic group started to pull anywhere from 6-8 packs which upset some people yet again. Arguing with them ensued(still out of white chat range so I dunno what was said) and yet again group/alliance leader said to let it be. At some point leader logs.
Then someone outside of the group decided it would be a good idea to unsleep the mobs. That happened for a little and one of your guys went red on said person. We killed the red, and res'd the other person who was waking up the mobs.
Time passes and the republic group comes over to us and unsleep our mobs, a couple of us die, which disturbs the group. After being res'd we go over to the group and some attempt to get you guys to flag. One of you guys goes red yet again and he's dropped. After that some of us port out (for personal reasons) after which point I hear over vent "They just pk'ed me" followed by "I tried to give him a blessed res and they pk me." What I know is the CrashBlade tried to give whoever the red was a b'res and was pk'ed. Mysticbabe logged on so she could get her SE out of there and she was also PK'ed. When I signed off of vent a group was forming in Heine to go down there, beyond that I don't know because I was driving back to school.
End of the day we were KoS to Republic. What happened happened as most things do when personalities and interests conflict.
What I heard was that mysticbabe was trying to fix things with republic but trash talk from our side, most likely republic's also, was preventing the problem to be resolved. This is the past couple days since GoE.
Stop being a ***** kut, you were from your first post.
Was that unexpected? You are always a *****, you should know better.
Our alliance was attacked and he treated it as if it was just some haha laugh it up pvp. I am just pointing out, the facts. We didnt attack his alliance and destroy it without cause.
Glass house Kami.
So he wasnt serious enough about the pvp? You seem bent out of shape he didnt lose the way you wanted him to. You have a fine point in ally war, but it is a choice, and its not as clear as you put it. While its more XP loss, its easier to be killed and kill, its a completely different way of "pvping." ...Who said anything about destroying his clan or allaince?
Like I said, an exp spot is not anyone's, yours or ours, by default. Everyone has the right to fight for any spot or mob.
Just be ready for the consequences should you choose to act on that right. Had I been there, I wouldnt have had one person go red and leave it for discussion. I would have authorized your party to be cleansed from the area and worked the red off.
If I wasnt able to do that with what I had there, I would have moved on, or called in the troops.
I imagine they did it as a sort of warning shot for waking their mobs and killing the tank.
You didnt take the warning and now your alliance is gone.
So there was a disagreement over the XP spot that escalated into a war?
I'm confident both sides will blame the other, so we may as well just move past that.
Oh well.. it's over now.
Isnt that what most PvP is about? Settle things and dispute in PvP. If everything was fair and agreeable, the game and life would be a very boring place to exist.
Like I said, an exp spot is not anyone's, yours or ours, by default. Everyone has the right to fight for any spot or mob.
Just be ready for the consequences should you choose to act on that right. Had I been there, I wouldnt have had one person go red and leave it for discussion. I would have authorized your party to be cleansed from the area and worked the red off.
If I wasnt able to do that with what I had there, I would have moved on, or called in the troops.
I imagine they did it as a sort of warning shot for waking their mobs and killing the tank.
You didnt take the warning and now your alliance is gone.
Sorry but lol ...
So i can take the rooms and the mobs that republic is fighting ?
Great, i remember that, thanks for the tips.
PVP is not bad. Sometimes you just have to kill someone else. As long as you are willing to take the consequences in doing so.
You had many choices you could have made to handle the situation, you choose killing one of our members.
Next time I suggest a different choice.
I say bad, coz my english is poor, arriving in a taken hunting area and try to get it, is not a thing that i can call it good, that's why i say "bad". It's like coming, and say, "hey see, our alliance is 10* more than yours, so i take that place and you move out without saying anything. If you stay there and try to kill us, we will disband your alliance and i'll be glad of that, or you could just flee and we take that place."
You said that :
"If you see waking someones slept mobs thus causing their tank to die as, hurting their feelings, then Im glad we destroyed your alliance.
That's the [censored] way of pking in my mind."
But you're missing the story begin, with your ppl making our ally guys mad with hunting in the same spot...
You can't say, we doing things [censored], and do that things to...
In facts, i hate SVP since a long time ago, i didn't know that Republic are the old SVP guys, and you haven't changed...
Exactly. You have a problem with us, so no matter what we do you will be against it.
The bottom of GOE is a big place. Two groups can hunt there in peace. If you have to claim the whole area as your own, then you deserve someone to come down there and roll you.
If you have that big of a problem with us, I suggest you /clan or ally war. If you arent willing to put your money where your mouth is, I suggest you shut it.
We havent had too many problems with anyone as an alliance, since we began. And SVP was the same. What does that tell you when you seem to be one of the few people that had a problem with us both?
I remember back in the day I was leveling an alt, when I was being ks'ed by some punk. So I went red on him and he threatened to bring back his main. When he did, I killed his main with my EE, who was there buffing my alt.
He was in your clan.
I can see why you wouldn't like us. We stick up for ourselves.
Exactly. You have a problem with us, so no matter what we do you will be against it.
The bottom of GOE is a big place. Two groups can hunt there in peace. If you have to claim the whole area as your own, then you deserve someone to come down there and roll you.
If you have that big of a problem with us, I suggest you /clan or ally war. If you arent willing to put your money where your mouth is, I suggest you shut it.
We havent had too many problems with anyone as an alliance, since we began. And SVP was the same. What does that tell you when you seem to be one of the few people that had a problem with us both?
I remember back in the day I was leveling an alt, when I was being ks'ed by some punk. So I went red on him and he threatened to bring back his main. When he did, I killed his main with my EE, who was there buffing my alt.
He was in your clan.
I can see why you wouldn't like us. We stick up for ourselves.
That's strange, you're not answering to my post but aside...
I'm talking on my own, not for my clan or ex-alliance, i wasn't in GOE when things happen, i was only here when the allaince called us and said republic have pk some of our alliance members, in that times i didn't know that you were ex-SVP.
But come back to my post, why you say we're doing [censored] things, when you make ppl mad ?
I don't know how much ppl can fight in GOE, i never get here before, but i trust you if u said we can fight with some parties.
I wasn't there when things happens, but you agree with what Andolyn said, that the facts you're guys said they're just picking 3-4 group mobs, but after a moment they takes more than 3-4, and that's the better way to turn some share hunting in a bad way of hunting together...
Not as a flame kut but the way you say it is like:
"We knew we would kick their ***, so we did and no we don't feel bad about destroying an alliance that was at a major disadvantage."
Kinda bully to me. I think thats a partial reason kami (even though he loves you so very much) is saying you were a ***** from the first post. I don't think thats what you intend to say but thats what I get out of it .
Indeed~ Im not saying they didnt deserve the pvp or PKing you gave them, but you come off as a jerk IMO. :p I guess we all can, but I expected a better example from kutfarcus! :(
All i ever said from get go was thanks for the fun none of us are holding a grudge cuz we all had fun. we know we got owned we know were going to get ownd. we put up what little fight we could and we moved on.
There is no reasonfor the rest of the jabber. The reason it was started is pointless now. So time to move on.
i don't think any of us are happy that apc disbanded. it was not our goal at any time to make or cause them to disband. there was a territorial dispute of exp, which was handled w/o courtesy by a certain group of players, imo, the apc guys. unsleeping mobs and talking smack is generally what i consider to be discourteous. as i understand it, our people did try to settle it diplomatic, as i have seen we often do. we then offered war to gain satisfaction from the dispute, which was refused. at that point we put them on kos until they would war us, at which time we most likely would've been pretty decent about it. i don't know that our tactics wouldn't have involved pz/sleeping/etc while in the middle of hunting, but that sort of thing is personally distasteful.
during the pvp that ensued, there was some uncalled for remarks from apc members, and rude tags. we weren't zerging them, tho in most cases we had the advantage in numbers.
i personally was looking for some fun 9v9 stuff, hoping they would come out and face us in force, which they refused to do.
as for the bullying thing, if i was in a smaller clan/alliance and did the same thing to your clan/alliance gregus, very similar things would've happened, i have no doubt, the difference being is your guys would try to hurt my feelings in white/shout chat and pm's as well. it was made very clear to our people not to talk smack. so far , tho we are not perfect, i think republic has done the best of this policy out of almost any alliance/clan on the server.
yeah kut comes off as a bit jerk, as opposed to people who use racial terms and phrases like "go die in a fire" etc. i'm sure there's a huge difference there. mainly it's better to be the sort of ***** kut is, then the latter example(s). imho anyway.
Ok, ill make a few points here.
When i logged on this morning before work, i had a few ingame mails from various people telling me that apc disbanded. My first thoughts werent victory or happiness, it shocked me a bit, and i felt guilty. It was never our intention to create inner stress in your alliance to the point of you disbanding. I wish you guys the best in all your future allies, etc. But i will say this, there is a million fights a day over hunting spots and many pvp's ensue over those spots. Same as how this all started.
When we started this ally i laid down a few groundrules...no botting, smacktalking, or griefing. but we will ALWAYS back up each other, no matter what the case. Im sure you have your reasons why you decided to wake those mobs, but it led to where one us got killed. Your alliance leader was afk 100% of the time when i pm'ed or sent the ally war invite, so until it was accepted we will be fighting you in a flag war. And thats how we got to this post here.
As far as us being bully's gimme a break. We've never griefed anyone out of a spot or threatened anything, we have minded our own business and kept to ourselves. I think all that Kut was trying to get across was think twice before you start picking fights with people, because when one of us says he/she is getting messed with or "i just got pk'ed" we have 2-3 parties in 5 minutes that will be going red. Its not a threat, its a defense mechanism ;)
Not as a flame kut but the way you say it is like:
"We knew we would kick their ***, so we did and no we don't feel bad about destroying an alliance that was at a major disadvantage."
Kinda bully to me. I think thats a partial reason kami (even though he loves you so very much) is saying you were a ***** from the first post. I don't think thats what you intend to say but thats what I get out of it .
Best of luck to the clans that were in PC~
/agree Tsin. I've been reading your posts for a long time Kut, going on a year or better, and this time you seem more vengance based then previously. Like Tsin said, just an observation.
I'm sorry PC got into a stupid fight with SVP/Republic that they could never win. Just seems like hot headed people in the confines of the bottom of GOE, doesn't seem like a good reason to totally trash an alliance, but that's just me.
Not as a flame kut but the way you say it is like:
"We knew we would kick their ***, so we did and no we don't feel bad about destroying an alliance that was at a major disadvantage."
Kinda bully to me. I think thats a partial reason kami (even though he loves you so very much) is saying you were a ***** from the first post. I don't think thats what you intend to say but thats what I get out of it .
Best of luck to the clans that were in PC~
/agree Tsin. I've been reading your posts for a long time Kut, going on a year or better, and this time you seem more vengance based then previously. Like Tsin said, just an observation.
I'm sorry PC got into a stupid fight with SVP/Republic that they could never win. Just seems like hot headed people in the confines of the bottom of GOE, doesn't seem like a good reason to totally trash an alliance, but that's just me.
*hugs Gustin*
just to clear things up, we have nothing to do with svp. hoLla
wasn't our intention to trash an alliance, run anyone off the server, or bully anyone. either of you two's alliances undoubtedly would've acted similarly, if not "worse".
as i stated, diplomatic actions were attempted, and rejected. few clans or alliances would've done as such.
as far as kut coming out like a bully, i think he puts it pretty simple and straight, but i'll put it the way i learned when i was younger "don't write a cheque with your mouth your *** can't cash."
it's unfortunate an entire alliance suffered because a few of it's members had a hard time sharing an exp spot and had their feelings hurt during the incident. i have some pvp footage, but i don't think of it as worthy. like i said, we weren't looking to trash them or make them disband, when the challenge was given, we sought to meet it, and only a limited number of them would fight us at all.
Not as a flame kut but the way you say it is like:
"We knew we would kick their ***, so we did and no we don't feel bad about destroying an alliance that was at a major disadvantage."
Kinda bully to me. I think thats a partial reason kami (even though he loves you so very much) is saying you were a ***** from the first post. I don't think thats what you intend to say but thats what I get out of it .
Best of luck to the clans that were in PC~
/agree Tsin. I've been reading your posts for a long time Kut, going on a year or better, and this time you seem more vengance based then previously. Like Tsin said, just an observation.
I'm sorry PC got into a stupid fight with SVP/Republic that they could never win. Just seems like hot headed people in the confines of the bottom of GOE, doesn't seem like a good reason to totally trash an alliance, but that's just me.
*hugs Gustin*
just to clear things up, we have nothing to do with svp. hoLla
Not as a flame kut but the way you say it is like:
"We knew we would kick their ***, so we did and no we don't feel bad about destroying an alliance that was at a major disadvantage."
Kinda bully to me. I think thats a partial reason kami (even though he loves you so very much) is saying you were a ***** from the first post. I don't think thats what you intend to say but thats what I get out of it .
Best of luck to the clans that were in PC~
/agree Tsin. I've been reading your posts for a long time Kut, going on a year or better, and this time you seem more vengance based then previously. Like Tsin said, just an observation.
I'm sorry PC got into a stupid fight with SVP/Republic that they could never win. Just seems like hot headed people in the confines of the bottom of GOE, doesn't seem like a good reason to totally trash an alliance, but that's just me.
*hugs Gustin*
just to clear things up, we have nothing to do with svp. hoLla
rgr that v.
shutup noob, quit spamming and pad up your post count!
For those that are worried about APC disbanding dont be. For some people the feel it was the thing to do and they did so with out informing anyone. For some of us it was a welcomed action as tentions have been growing around certian individuals unrelated to the circomstances that ensued.
The reason the war invite was not taken was because we knew we would get owned. If we forced yall to go red on us we hoped that it was slow some stuff down. Wether it did or not we will never know.
As far as the rude comments go i am sorry it happened.
We did get 1 good 9v9 on but then it got out of hand. Im not making excuses or calling republic zergs or griefers. I said it was fun and i mean it. There are no hard feelings from BOTH. I however can not speek for the other clans. If we did not want any of the action then we would of made better attemps to stay out of the way from republic. But no we stayed and fought. Cuz we enjoy some distraction from the mind numbing grinding this game presents.
So in the end war tags or not we had fun. What the intital cause for the action was is nolonger relevent. And itr saddened me to see that the people who started the conflict were no ware to bee seen during the action. (by this i mean APC ally members). I was not at the origonal situation nor can i coment on what happened.
BUt whats done was done and thats all there is to be said.
Im not a politically correct person. I tell it like I see it.
What I saw happen was a bunch of people who thought it was ok to pick a fight with Republic and then couldnt figure out why we went at them so harshly.
They thought they controlled an exp area and when some other people moved into it, they figured waking some slept mobs and getting someone killed would get those people to leave.
It doesnt work. You play with fire and you risk being burned in this game.
If they felt they were at a "major disadvantage", maybe they should have thought twice about attacking us.
You can see it as me being an *** if you feel the need. I dont see it that way.
When your clans are attacked and you strike back, I dont see any of you coming here and apologizing for responding to an attack.
We didnt intend to ruin an alliance. We figured they must be strong enough to fight us, based on their willingness to attack us.
we beat you into the room where lilith was, and when we started to take her down, the always wonderful ebil sent her pony in and created quite the fun situation....oh you know flagged tank, then flagged healers, etc. its really fun to pvp while fighting a lvl 80 raid boss kami! it really is!
we beat you into the room where lilith was, and when we started to take her down, the always wonderful ebil sent her pony in and created quite the fun situation....oh you know flagged tank, then flagged healers, etc. its really fun to pvp while fighting a lvl 80 raid boss kami! it really is!
I'd like to publicly thank Relm Champs for giving me back my Tallum Helm, which dropped when I was kilt by Lilith during this fiasco. Many many thanks guys.
So, you might say that while the PvP/Raid/CF was going on, I was a pretty unhappy individual. Being in a hotel playing on the laptop that night, I must say that the other hotel customers are probably wondering what exactly a [censored] TALLUM HELM is, and how it got dropped.
After it was over though, and I got my helm back (thanks again) and we watched Synergy also get kilt by Lilith, and then we successfully took her down... I had a pretty good laugh.
Ehh I think you were about as ready to fight lilith as we were. You gather inside disciples, we gathered elsewhere. If you thought we brought groups to just watch you, you were wrong.
Ehh I think you were about as ready to fight lilith as we were. You gather inside disciples, we gathered elsewhere. If you thought we brought groups to just watch you, you were wrong.
lol I had no beef with how it went down at all.
TBH I thought it would just be a straight PvP throwdown, winner takes boss. Then we pulled the thing, and I was thinking.. "hmm well this should be interesting..."
I wouldn't have had a problem if we had just gone straight to the PvP either.. that's how it's sposed to be played I figure. hehe I'm not delusional man, I knew ya'll weren't there to check out our technique. LOL
{snip} So, you might say that while the PvP/Raid/CF was going on, I was a pretty unhappy individual. Being in a hotel playing on the laptop that night, I must say that the other hotel customers are probably wondering what exactly a [censored] TALLUM HELM is, and how it got dropped.
Been there done that. Business trip, hotel room, bad things happening. I tend to scream more at home, but know how that goes Bigs. Thanks for the laugh, and glad you got your helm back. You still need to trade me the pink mask for the black one, you'd look much more **** in black. Hehe...