the ignorance in your post is astounding, not to mention the point on auraflare is now a chronicle late.
first off m attk has less effect on dmg than p attk. double my m attk and i'll do 1.5x dmg.
you find me some pink mobs i can 2 shot and i will have your e babies. i can two shot some yellow mobs fully buffed, but usually i stick to white/green mobs.
Not all mages are equal. I for one can not 2-shot pink mobs of 1x let alone 2x and 4x. I use a dasparian's staff with bsps w/o buffs and can almost 2-shot doom knights which are yellow 1x. Don't forget that in c4 they added alot more magic resist mobs with an extremely high mdef (I've hit players harder then some mobs in c4). Plus daggers are back to where they were in c1 in regards to landing rates on specials and believe me then freakin hurt............... alot.
Also, yes we do massive ammounts of damage, however this comes at a price. First, we're rather fragile, anyone with a good bow and a swift attack pot has a good chance of taking out most mages. Second, we have very short staying power when soloing. What I mean is we burn through our MP rather fast, and sps only have the magic regen skill that uses soul ore (and I've been told by them that it sucks, can't confirm) and scorcs only have lvl 1 btm (a whopping 22 mp for over 150hp).
Am I upset at this, no, not really. Some of the nerfs were extreme but we had it coming. Now if they would only nerf the necromancers and nerf the silence spell so it wasn't like a 99% chance to land w/o mental aegis (which not everyone can have a buff-bot tag along). Also why are summoners not included in the aoe nerf? The elemental summoner is now the #1 powerleveler class with their summon having a non-nerfed aoe and pet bsps.
the ignorance in your post is astounding, not to mention the point on auraflare is now a chronicle late.
first off m attk has less effect on dmg than p attk. double my m attk and i'll do 1.5x dmg.
And yet mages still deal a lot more damage. It is not as much about matk as it is about mdef. Mdef must be much higher.
you find me some pink mobs i can 2 shot and i will have your e babies. i can two shot some yellow mobs fully buffed, but usually i stick to white/green mobs.
My sorc with full buffs( empower zerk) using bsps 2 shots stuff in forest of the dead. What will our babies look like?
and they are pink? cuz they are pink to me and ii don't quite two shot em with those same buffs. odd that huh? oh, wait a sec, what weapon you got?
mages deal alot more damage but at a significantly lower rate. ie, a dagger for example will make 3-5 attack rounds during the time it takes me to cast a single prominence. auraflare doesn't count anymore because it is only good for pve, and not at all good for pve anyway.
frankly it feels right. we're glass cannons, and in manyways, archers now outgun us.
and they are pink? cuz they are pink to me and ii don't quite two shot em with those same buffs. odd that huh? oh, wait a sec, what weapon you got?
sword of vahalla +3. Yes they are pink. Overall matk = 1662.
mages deal alot more damage but at a significantly lower rate. ie, a dagger for example will make 3-5 attack rounds during the time it takes me to cast a single prominence.
So that means your targets are taken down in less hits. By the time the dagger comes up to a mage they have no cp and probably less than full hp.
frankly it feels right. we're glass cannons, and in manyways, archers now outgun us.
I'm not so sure when a 66 sps in DC robes with SoM beats a 72 HE with complete majestic and DC light. :(
what do you mean by dynamic game play balance? And I get reports from friends who pvp outside the arena and inside the arena. Besides, whether you are out of or in the arena you still have the same equipment, do you not? Same skills? I suppose the main difference is the element of surprise.
arena doesn't reflect any other kind of pvp at all well.
main example:
you have entered a combat zone.
you have left a combat zone.
you have entered a combat zone.
you have left a combat zone.
you have entered a combat zone.
you have left a combat zone.
you have entered a combat zone.
you have left a combat zone.
etc...
as far as dynamic game play balance, go to cs. there is a weapon with perfect accuracy, a scope and one hit kill. whiel it takes some skill to use that awp, someone with decent skill and a considerably less powerful weapon(let's say the default pistol) can take down the awper, or to put it into l2 terms:
mages have a role on teh battlefield.
healers/buffers have a role on the battlefield.
melee have a role on the battlefield.
archers have a role on the battlefield.
blaming your inability to recognize that role and utilize it effectively may be what lead you to create this thread.
if it's not that reason, i return to the original statement of ignorance.
The biggest element outside of the arena is terrain, and room. Archers really can't bring their full strength to bear in such a small place, and melees don't have rocks and trees and stuff to hide behind.
The game is balanced rock/paper/scissors style, and IMO could use just a little more work, but it's not sooo bad.
I find that my class is better at open PvP then most people think. On a siege field, with no cover, yea i get blown to pieces once a mage gets on me, unless i can retreat far enough. However, i catch someone running by a rock/tree/whatever and i have all my self buffs up and i get on them right away, the mage is toast. It's all about using what you can to get a win.
Thats why you'll never see me honestly saying that mages are over powered, i couldnt care less, there are still ways of taking them out. Same with archers.
I agree with skill you can defeat a more powerful enemy. Of course, it would take a lot of skills for a warlord, for instance, to take down any range person.
The arena is a place where you do not lose exp, gain karma etc. The entire aden world could be an arena and we would return to the original issue.
I don't give a crap what anyone says, a gladi played right can destroy an archer. I've seen it happen far to many times. A dagger can destroy an archer if played right. A tank can kill archers (hell my TK is 10-1 against archers... MY TK WITH A YAKSA).
Mages can kill Melee classes easily. Archers can just about 2 shot any mage (when you get critted for 2.3k through transfer pain... that tells you something)
Mages do have the easiest time dropping people. Thats why people sub/reroll them.
I find that mass PvP is very well balanced in this game, and in fact I believe strongly that in a large scale PvP the advantage actually lies with the side that has just a little more heavy melee beef than the other.
I'm not sure why it works out that way, you would think that the side with all mages or archers would win out, but they don't.
It's worth noting that this game is designed, built, and based on clan vs clan and alliance vs alliance warfare, not on 1v1.
I don't give a crap what anyone says, a gladi played right can destroy an archer. I've seen it happen far to many times. A dagger can destroy an archer if played right. A tank can kill archers (hell my TK is 10-1 against archers... MY TK WITH A YAKSA).
Mages can kill Melee classes easily. Archers can just about 2 shot any mage (when you get critted for 2.3k through transfer pain... that tells you something)
Mages do have the easiest time dropping people. Thats why people sub/reroll them.
My OL buddy was telling me last night that after this weekends sieges he has decided he is meant to be an archer killer. SoulGuard + LifeDrain = Dead Archer.
I get more satisfaction by killing someone when i only have 300 HP's left after the fight. I dont find it all that much fun to be standing 900 feet away from my targets, i want to be able to kick them in the nuts if i have too :)
Although sometimes watching guys like Tsin make me want to roll a Mage, i keep resisting the urge lol
My OL buddy was telling me last night that after this weekends sieges he has decided he is meant to be an archer killer. SoulGuard + LifeDrain = Dead Archer.
Yes OL are Archer killers.. any archer that tries to 1v1 an OL is pretty much toast!
I still don't understand why there aren't more OL's around. Definitely in the top 3 coolest, and strongest PvP classes in the game... maybe it's cuz people don't understand em.
I think if I had it to do over again, I would probably play an OL for the clan leader instead of a BH. Tough call. OL switched into heavy armor, turn on soul guard and hit the relic and start praying.. has to be at least as tough to kill as my BH.
In order for an OL to level well they need a clan. Which is why a lot of people dont play them.
I also would choose to play an OL as clan leader if I could do it again. I have debated many times on hitting the reroll train, but I just dont have the time in my life to pull it off.
Mages are designed to be powerfull. Next time someone is going after a raid boss call an all mele party to go do it. When you wana take out Anthras see how long a Gladdy/Dagger/Tank party takes 2 do it with out mages. Now on to pvp. ARENA PVP is not the same as wide open pvp i.e. F.G. Any thing that is done in the Arena is fun but dont realy count. Human mages are the slowest or second slowest class in the game spam CP pots they egsist for a reason. Yes we do alot of damage in pvp but we also take alot more. Since C4 though we have had our interupt affected alot more. ie. you dont need to crit to stop a spell. And a Tyrant with his totems/tats has how much HP??? a Warsmith/Bounty Hunter has how much HP??? For those of you getting owned in arena by some lvl 70+ mage who 2 shots you yeah that can be expected when your 10 lvs lower.. I get owned by an archers 4 lvls above me. And any class who has a summon who doent play it in pvp aint thinking especialy with Pet SS.
So in the end are mages powerfull. Yes. But you couldnt get your B/A/S grade drops with out us.
And by no means am I an uber PVPer I suck at it I'll be the first 1 to tell you so. But I like to have fun and after this is a game.
DE's=Slowest casters in game :) And arena pvp is nothing like normal pvp, for one, in an arena you can use ALL your skills right off, outside of one you have to wait for people to flag... And yes, mages are powerful, but we're wimps too, wanna compare pdef? lol Oh...and silence doesn't land 99% of the time, wouldn't that be nice lol
I still don't understand why there aren't more OL's around. Definitely in the top 3 coolest, and strongest PvP classes in the game... maybe it's cuz people don't understand em.
As an OL, who has a char or played a char from almost every class available....here's the secret.
OL's are a PITA until they are **** near in A grade.
Well 56 to my reckoning, but 61 isn't that far off compared to the previous 56 levels! and L40-L52 are some of the worst.
I love how the people who DON'T play mages comment, minus Tiffers and Grinin and whomever else. To be frank, I've played a mage all my Lineage 2 life. They're very stupid and I hate them, as much as I love them. If you lag out on a siege field, you're basically dead etc so forth blah blah.
The aura flare complaints really need to shut up. Ditto with cancel. Its a skill. Hey, well then lets take away Shield Stun and Stun shot then, they're almost as cheap/overpowered as cancel or aura flare. Now, in C4 aura flare is basically useless, even though the GoE babies still use them in the arena, and other random Spellsingers or Sorcs you haven't seen before. (Mostly Spellsingers).
Mages are designed to be powerful. Its obvious, we're expert soloing. At least the SH's and Necro's are with Body to Mind. Spellsingers might need some assistance from a SE or something. If mages were left out of a MAGICAL WORLD, with FARIES, and DEMONS that are MAGICAL, why shouldn't there be mages? Yes, we literally kick your *** most of the time in PVP (excuse the use of *** moderators1/2/3/4/5/6/etc) We kill lots, but obviously are fragile beyond repair. If we're macro'd by an archer party. Good game you're basically dead unless your healer is amazing or you have loads of cp pots ha.
On the battle field, depending on your play style I guess, this is just me. Lydian or Chappedlips (for instance, not trying to pull you into the thread of course) As Spellsingers might have a different way of playing than I do. Most of us are acused of using Aura Flare. Whatever. I got after robes/light armor. Tanks are mana waste, ditto with tyrants and other heavy classes. And Archers I hope target robes hahha, most of the time.
But taking the game into some crazy strategem of how many shots it takes etc is sorta crazy. Go were you can two shot, thats basic I believe. Your cast speed doesn't have to be amazing to win battles, granted it helps in an immense fashion. Mages are just like any other class in this game, pros and cons. Excuse me for rambling, I probably said everything over again. I hope we hear from some of the more experienced mages of Gustin, not that I'm experienced (and you know who you are)
in PvP we are now CP batteries. To spend mana on anything else would be considered a waste of mana (with the exception being something like casting suspension once if the enemy has 4-5 mages in aoe range of each other).
1v1s are alright, but everyone 1v1s with buffs, and when outside buffs are entered into the equation, OLs lose a lot of their strength.
Adding CP to the game not only turned us into ally healers (and made heart of paagrio a PvE skill), but reduced our ability to own people via the drain skill. If you were to spam CP pots in a 1v1 with an overlord, they would be nearly powerless and will either BARELY kill you, or run out of mana and die.
Also the final problem is that overlords are in high demand for alliance events and pvp. This requires a lot of play time and is the primary reason that I'm taking a break. It's a lot of stress to know that you pretty much have to be on for every raid and siege. Of course theres exceptions... but with an overlord you find it hard to say "I think I just want to watch TV tonight", when theres 100 people that expect you to be healing and buffing!
Yes, mages are powerful. But there are more reasons for this "unbalance" (as some ppl see it).
1. How many OE mage weapons are there on the market? quite a few. OE jewelry sets? almost never. Unsealed Majestic is a must
2. How often have your alliance-mates asked for resist aqua/fire/wind ? yes it is (time consuming)/(an over-buff risk) but these buffs are very effective. SwS/BD resist songs are also a nice addition... but there are other more needful Dances to put up :P.
3. Mentality. Minusing your Men decreases Mdef and Increases Debuff probability.
He said slowest, as in running, not casting and yes the human mystics are the slowest runners in game (base run speed of 121, even orcs and dwarves outrun us). As for silence, in both my own experiences and in watching, with OUT mental aegis yes silence has had a 99% landing rate. I watched once as 2 unbuffed 4x necros still in d-grade w/o buffs (cause they had died recently with no friendly buffers arround) chain silenced an unbuffed lvl 7x SH in a-grade. Not overpowered?
I do agree with you on the rest of your points, yay for 4xx pdef and about 3.1k total hp/cp, lol.
Mori.. I'll give u an account with a lvl 72 mage... do you think u can play more than 1 min alone? I'll tell u u can't... u play 1 min then rest 10 mins.... YAY too much power!!!
Archers at my lvl 1-2 shot me in sieges... ooo i'm overpowered!!!!
I'll tell u how i play my mage... 3 accounts!!! i have a SE with me to recharge/emp me and now i am makeing a prophet to help with acu/zerk... still if i lag i'm dead... mages don't hit mobs when they are d/c like fighters do.
U should all understand this once and for all: THIS is what mages do: DAMAGE!!! But the mage is **** so fragile.. a few hits and he's dead...
If u all say that mages are so awesome why the hell aren't u all play mages??????
And once and for all pls bring solid arguments when u are starting threads like this one... and don't start em on gustin mages are on all the servers not only on this one so enlight the other players with your suggestions.
Thank you! Alex.
Ahhh btw i'm looking forward to see mages in action at Olympiad... as much as i know they can't use buffs... so 76+ fighters will have better resistance to sleep... hmm if mages are so **** good we should have only mage heroes, which i doubpt. I hope there will be some fellow mages among heroes...
No u not. Have u ever tried to pvp RedVII unbuffed? I'll tell u, if u are unbuffed he has solid chances to drop you. Aki gave me like 3-4 shots with that big ugly sword of his and i was looking at the stars. If our sleep fail... we are kinda doomed in front of fighter, especially daggers/archers which will have no problem with our fine robe.
Mori.. I'll give u an account with a lvl 72 mage... do you think u can play more than 1 min alone? I'll tell u u can't... u play 1 min then rest 10 mins.... YAY too much power!!!
No class clan play alone for very long at that level, a mage can solo without buffs better then any other class.
Archers at my lvl 1-2 shot me in sieges... ooo i'm overpowered!!!!
You either have crappy gear or crappy buffs because no archer my lvl can 1-2shot me.
I'll tell u how i play my mage... 3 accounts!!! i have a SE with me to recharge/emp me and now i am makeing a prophet to help with acu/zerk...
Your leveling a prophet out of convience, a mage only needs an SE to lvl, prophets are a bonus and make things much easier. All other classes need atleast a prophet to lvl and melee at higher lvls need SE too for vamprage and heals...go try to solo with an AW at lvl 72 if you think im wrong.
Ahhh btw i'm looking forward to see mages in action at Olympiad... as much as i know they can't use buffs... so 76+ fighters will have better resistance to sleep... hmm if mages are so **** good we should have only mage heroes, which i doubpt. I hope there will be some fellow mages among heroes...
Using sleep is for sissies....oh, btw, I like to think I know how to play a mage so my opinion just might be worth a few points in this thread... :)
What Lickn say's is correct. Mages has the best soloing abillitys in this game.
I level my SR along with 2 other accounts which has a bd and a prophet. A bd is not needed at all but it's great for the extra crit etc. I still have to sit down for about 7.5 min every 20 min. And don't give me the "you have cheapshot" because I don't and I will never get it. It's a pvp skill and even if the bow I'm using would have it I still wouldnt put it on. I play this game for pvp and cheapshot dont give me anything there so.
A mage can do well with just a SE and acu pots. If you happend to be a mage with btm and GHP's you cut down your downtime even more.
And mages in pvp, don't even begin to say they are bad in any way.
Ask Lydian how many people she's oneshotted with her new skill :mad:
Hmmm... my gear... Avadon robe.
Prophet... zerk is comming in handy for 2 shoting mobs. I can't do it without zerk, or i need to move to lower mobs (the ones i kill now are all green)
As for archers... i didn't say that they are killing me everytime in 1-2 shot... but they usually crit on me.... prolly is my gear to blame but.... it's my gear :p
BTW if u wanna give me some pvp/pve tips i'm all ears. U were the first SH i saw in DC robe^^
i havent really read any post but the first one lol...but the thing that gets under my skin about MAGES and lineage 2, is not there dmg or there skills or there soloing skill its two minor things
WHY THE HELL CAN MAGES USE ALL TATTOOS
~they should not be the only class in the game that gets to change everything
~they should not be able to touch there strength
~if they can touch strenght....strenght should determine your p.def, like men determines your m.def, then at least there something to think about as a mage
~FIX MEN!, make it mean something, ever play a character like a PR, where putting a tattoo means seriously affecting something else because you dont have alot of it. MAGES DONT EVEN THINK TWICE before -8 there men
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r0b202.......btw i know melgorath OL-NIGHTMARE signature gonna pop up from when i took a break but i just dont care enough to remove it
MEN is mana regen and MEN is magic defense.
MEN takes out some of your overall mana aswell... What else shall it take?
As for tattoes i'm upset i can't use all tattoes on Healers and on Fighters... but... i didn't get it why NC is doing this... :(
Mori that BD is uba! I'm really mad i can't play 4 PC at the same time :((( My skills stopped at 3 PC :((( If i ever manage to play on 4 PC's i'll let u all know... of course the 4'th acc will be a BD :p
Really, mages don't have much worse pdef than a light armor user.
I think Jareka quoted 4xxpdef? I'm about the same level and I have 5xxpdef...so 20% less?
BTW, most human mages have more hp/cp than me as well, and I don't even have the full -9con like most...I don't know if they have 20% more hp/cp...I haven't run the numbers, but I know it's a bit more than me.
Also, althought the chance is slim, Jareka can avoid my attacks, can sheild block my attacks, or just generally slow/sleep me and stay out of melee range. I can't avoid spells, I can't sheild block spells even if I had a sheild and I'm the one with the goal of trying to close to melee range...
Also being that about 3/4 of classes have one kind of nuke/harmful spell or another they should probably change the name of "Ultimate Evasion" to "Kinda-Pretty-Good-So Long as You're Not Fighting a Mage - Evasion"
UE has pretty much become a PvE only skill for me except against 3-4 classes in PvP, and Sheilds are about the same. Any class that uses a sheild has basically wasted their off hand against a mage.
Also, remind me again why 1-handed mage weapons have exactly the same matk as a 2-handed mage weapon? At that rate why would ANY mage forgo a sheild to use a staff? They give up NOTHING.
Basically for a melee/phys character to get anything they have to give up something important. You want a sheild? Give up damage output. You want +str? Give up HP/CP, or perhaps give up speed/accuracy/evasion/critrate/atkspeed? Maybe you'd rather give up Patk for one of the other? Want more MP/Mdef? Oh...sorry, you can't. Healers are ALMOST in the same boat.
If you're a mage...You want HP/CP? You give up ony patk that you weren't using. You want +cast speed/+matk? Just give up men, it doesn't effect you much anyway. You want a sheild? No prob! Give up NOTHING, not even stuff you weren't using.
Well sometimes i dual box the future prophet because he's there only for buffs but i can't do that with the SE because i use her to recharge me after 2-3 shots... i suppose i could box her too but i'm faster with her recharges... still when i drain her i need to wait 10 mins... but it's a good break. Prolly when i'll make the prophet 52 i'll start using btm and kill while she recharges...
Well sometimes i dual box the future prophet because he's there only for buffs but i can't do that with the SE because i use her to recharge me after 2-3 shots...
Why would you recharge after 2 or 3 shots? You should be able to go like 25-30 before you have to recharge if you don't use b2m.
72, SH, Avadon, Dasparion+3 Acumen, BO+3, +4INT, +5 WIT, -9 MEN... anything else... atm killing in BS Whisps, Predators and Orcs for infernium ore... in the hope i'll get enough to bingo some SOM blades... and in the hope i won't be so unlucky as with dasparions... (2 out of 2 fails ****) :p
Well I do this like 15-20 mins then i rest 10-15 mins so players around can kill too. I remember 1 time there were another mage with same setup as me hunting in the same spot. Nobody could kill around us anymore and that's not right... others have the right to enjoy this game as well. Usually around me is a funny bot party and when i hunt i like to let the dwarf go after a target then kill his target, then he target again than i kill again... (i have a macro to assist him)and so on... sadly i can't do it 24/24. But still in a few weeks i'll take a vacation from work so...
He was refering at mages. And he's right the only thing we loose when using a shield is evasion... Still a mage with DC/NM shield and SOM is better than a mage with Branch. So he's right on this one... we don't care about our pattack at all...
72, SH, Avadon, Dasparion+3 Acumen, BO+3, +4INT, +5 WIT, -9 MEN... anything else... atm killing in BS Whisps, Predators and Orcs for infernium ore... in the hope i'll get enough to bingo some SOM blades... and in the hope i won't be so unlucky as with dasparions... (2 out of 2 fails ****) :p
I kill whatever mobs I can get the most xp for with 2 shots. Hurricane + Shadowflare. I nuke, b2m and corpse life drain till im about I got about 1000hp and 200mp. I then recharge with my SE (SE needs to be within 2 lvls of you to be most effective). I do this twice per buff round non-stop.
76 Storm Screamer, +4Wit, +4Int, +4con. Used +10 [censored] till lvl 76 now using SoM, DC robe set and Majestic/Black Ore set Jewlery set unsealed.
He was refering at mages. And he's right the only thing we loose when using a shield is evasion... Still a mage with DC/NM shield and SOM is better than a mage with Branch. So he's right on this one... we don't care about our pattack at all...
just tell me you don't like irony, I won't use it then if I know
you are reading my postings!
Magic Shield Block + Excellent Magic Shield blocks reflecting the
Spell would be cool...
Though -35 Evasion and halfed Block-Rate for mages and classes
without shield mastery!
Oh and don't forget Magic Evasion, where you get a 20% chance
of evading a magical attack, with UE on it's a 75% Chance!
Personally I think a good balance would be to add an Mdef stat to sheilds, so that you can block a spell the same way you block a melee attack.
Lower 1-handed mage weapon matk by about 20%, just like 1-handed fighter weapon patk vs. 2-handed fighter weapon patk.
Allow any non-AoE spell to be evaded just like an archer attack, only with high accuracy - like a blunt-using archer basically.
Also, every other class in the game has a stat that they cannot mod...why should nukers be special. Nukers should lose either str or men from their mod list. Not both...all classes can mod 8/9 stats, nukers currently have 9/9...that's just wrong. Either that or just give all classes 9/9.
Also, every other class in the game has a stat that they cannot mod...why should nukers be special. Nukers should lose either str or men from their mod list. Not both...all classes can mod 8/9 stats, nukers currently have 9/9...that's just wrong. Either that or just give all classes 9/9.
STR DEX CON INT WIT MEN ... say, which stats did I miss here?
Lol :p
Still if NC will feel like makeing shields unavailabe for mages i won't complain. Shilelds supposed to be part of heavy armor... but anyway i will try to craft a SOM to use it with a shield... but my love is and will allways be with staves... The only drawback with staves is that ppls will ask u for buffs all the time :p
Lol :p
Still if NC will feel like makeing shields unavailabe for mages i won't complain. Shilelds supposed to be part of heavy armor... but anyway i will try to craft a SOM to use it with a shield... but my love is and will allways be with staves... The only drawback with staves is that ppls will ask u for buffs all the time :p
I love to hear this from a Mage <3
SoM should just be labeled as "SKs weapon" and everything
would be so **** fine ;)
Also, every other class in the game has a stat that they cannot mod...why should nukers be special. Nukers should lose either str or men from their mod list. Not both...all classes can mod 8/9 stats, nukers currently have 9/9...that's just wrong. Either that or just give all classes 9/9.
STR DEX CON INT WIT MEN ... say, which stats did I miss here?
Oops, sorry still early. Make that 5/6, 6/6 and 6/6 respectively. :p
Anyone who thinks mages are overpowered is stupid. TBH I am one of the weakest classes in the game. Allow me to explain. Im a necro, and I dont even get cancel. I dont get fast MP regen like the rest of the mages. I can only silence and this is defeated with aegis. I get a paralyze skill that rarely works. I cant even stun people unless I have my pet out that is melee and will easily die to most damage dealers. I cant get combine spells or use seeds either. Most mobs are dark resist so they destroy me very easily. I have only 2 nukes and one costs too much mana and the other costs too much money to buy the reagants for. And we cant carry lots of spiritshots so were constantly running back to town every 5minutes. With all these points its clear Im playing one of the worst classes in the game. If I ever kill anyone in PvP its due to the fact that im just much better playing the worst class than others who play better ones.
Anyone who thinks mages are overpowered is stupid. TBH I am one of the weakest classes in the game. Allow me to explain. Im a necro, and I dont even get cancel. I dont get fast MP regen like the rest of the mages. I can only silence and this is defeated with aegis. I get a paralyze skill that rarely works. I cant even stun people unless I have my pet out that is melee and will easily die to most damage dealers. I cant get combine spells or use seeds either. Most mobs are dark resist so they destroy me very easily. I have only 2 nukes and one costs too much mana and the other costs too much money to buy the reagants for. And we cant carry lots of spiritshots so were constantly running back to town every 5minutes. With all these points its clear Im playing one of the worst classes in the game. If I ever kill anyone in PvP its due to the fact that im just much better playing the worst class than others who play better ones.
Clearly you should sub BH as it would be a major step up for you on the list of PvP classes. ;)
Anyone who thinks mages are overpowered is stupid. TBH I am one of the weakest classes in the game. Allow me to explain. Im a necro, and I dont even get cancel. I dont get fast MP regen like the rest of the mages. I can only silence and this is defeated with aegis. I get a paralyze skill that rarely works. I cant even stun people unless I have my pet out that is melee and will easily die to most damage dealers. I cant get combine spells or use seeds either. Most mobs are dark resist so they destroy me very easily. I have only 2 nukes and one costs too much mana and the other costs too much money to buy the reagants for. And we cant carry lots of spiritshots so were constantly running back to town every 5minutes. With all these points its clear Im playing one of the worst classes in the game. If I ever kill anyone in PvP its due to the fact that im just much better playing the worst class than others who play better ones.
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Anyone who thinks mages are overpowered is stupid. TBH I am one of the weakest classes in the game. Allow me to explain. Im a necro, and I dont even get cancel. I dont get fast MP regen like the rest of the mages. I can only silence and this is defeated with aegis. I get a paralyze skill that rarely works. I cant even stun people unless I have my pet out that is melee and will easily die to most damage dealers. I cant get combine spells or use seeds either. Most mobs are dark resist so they destroy me very easily. I have only 2 nukes and one costs too much mana and the other costs too much money to buy the reagants for. And we cant carry lots of spiritshots so were constantly running back to town every 5minutes. With all these points its clear Im playing one of the worst classes in the game. If I ever kill anyone in PvP its due to the fact that im just much better playing the worst class than others who play better ones.
Clearly you should sub BH as it would be a major step up for you on the list of PvP classes. ;)
I agree, most dwarves cannot PvP, that is why I defeat them so easily. Theyd rather feign death or make love to their spoils than fight.
Every 2 months we have this thread and its the same thing. Hey nurf mages I dont care I am not playing a Sorc for pvp. I am playing 1 cuz when I rerolled my clan had 6 archers and 0 mages and you kind of need mages for raids and such (see previous post). But if ur going to nurf the mages in the way you want then start taking away the other classes abilitys also. BD cant use a bow. Destroyer cant use a bow. Th/PW/AW can use a bow but they get a damage penalty. I mean come on. We can sit here all day and complain about this and that and how this would be better or that would be better and it aint gona get any were. In 2 months this post is goan happen again and every one is going to be complaining about summoners and why dont all classes get 1 is not fair that only they can use one. Or they need to nurf the buffs or w/e. I dont hear any one complaining that a TH/PW/AW with +5 DEX in Doom armor is hard to hit if ur a mele class. Mabey we shuld nurf DEX or Doom stats. Shield stunn need to be nurfed also. I was getting shield stunned by a Pally in the arena the other day and that dould not happen cuz im a human with +4 CON. :(
BLABLABALBLA if you dont like it quit your day job become a programer and design your own game and make it better then L2. Then make a form for people to post their complaints and have them tell you how to make YOUR game better. See how fast you will change the eniter game.
Anyone who thinks mages are overpowered is stupid. TBH I am one of the weakest classes in the game. Allow me to explain. Im a necro, and I dont even get cancel. I dont get fast MP regen like the rest of the mages. I can only silence and this is defeated with aegis. I get a paralyze skill that rarely works. I cant even stun people unless I have my pet out that is melee and will easily die to most damage dealers. I cant get combine spells or use seeds either. Most mobs are dark resist so they destroy me very easily. I have only 2 nukes and one costs too much mana and the other costs too much money to buy the reagants for. And we cant carry lots of spiritshots so were constantly running back to town every 5minutes. With all these points its clear Im playing one of the worst classes in the game. If I ever kill anyone in PvP its due to the fact that im just much better playing the worst class than others who play better ones.
Clearly you should sub BH as it would be a major step up for you on the list of PvP classes. ;)
I agree, most dwarves cannot PvP, that is why I defeat them so easily. Theyd rather feign death or make love to their spoils than fight.
lol.. BH is a PVP god class. We can carry like 500 grtr CP Pots, and 500 GHP. With all that I CANNOT BE DEFEATED!!!!
Plus I can stun people, and I can umm.. Stun people!! And I get lots and lots of HP, so I can take some MAJOR Damage while I stun people.. and I can also get me a polearm, and do wrath and even whirlwind, and I can stun people.
Note: Stun only works about 50% of the time give or take..
oh yeah and I can fake death too!! Which actually does work in PVP sometimes... rofl
See, how can a mage defeat bidhands? If he loses hes clearly playing the best class all wrong. Mages need to be able to carry more healing pots and have a chance to reflect stuns. NCSoft doesnt care about mages though.
See, how can a mage defeat bidhands? If he loses hes clearly playing the best class all wrong. Mages need to be able to carry more healing pots and have a chance to reflect stuns. NCSoft doesnt care about mages though.
I take out mages using my uber PvP skillz.. well that and I try to hide behind the nearest rock or tree so they can't target me, while I drink my GHP's and GCP's and I wait like a ninja dwarf to jump out and STUN THEM!!!!!!
You have new polearm skills that make people lose their targets. How is it possible to kill a dwarf with a mage when theyre constantly making you lose your target? Next chron theyll give them craftable grenades and theyll run around 1 shotting parties. [censored] [censored] =.=
Yeah, necros obviously suck, all the parties I see with 9 subclassed necros are obviously subbing necros just cuz they like to lpay crappy classes....riiiiiiight.
Well I do this like 15-20 mins then i rest 10-15 mins so players around can kill too. I remember 1 time there were another mage with same setup as me hunting in the same spot. Nobody could kill around us anymore and that's not right... others have the right to enjoy this game as well. Usually around me is a funny bot party and when i hunt i like to let the dwarf go after a target then kill his target, then he target again than i kill again... (i have a macro to assist him)and so on... sadly i can't do it 24/24. But still in a few weeks i'll take a vacation from work so...
warlords in teh wild take up whole areas and no one can farm in the same load zone as them at times. this has got to be stopped! the bots and farmers need their hunting spaces ok?
This must be the single most embarassing thread Ive ever read. I just cant bring myself to argue against just about every awfully misguided point and issue that has been raised in this thread. I wont even start with the unbuffed 1v1 Spellhowler and Destroyer comparison. When the [censored] was the last time you saw that matchup in anything but the arena? the arena has little to no resemblence to siege or general pvp. Get that into your heads.
They are ridiculously overpowered and c4 will only make them better. Regardless of how well buffed a melee is he wont get close to a mage once the Elven Summoner buff/WM Dance become a readily avaliable addition to a mages arsenal of buffs.
Not to mention with Shield blocks as they are, the ability to spam CP+QHPs and in a necromancers case, almost the effective HP of a tank class, I cant see how someone can start to argue that there is the slightest sense of balance and keep a straight face.
BTW, talking about balance, with the addition of pet bsps, an ES's pony nukes me for about 1200dmg(that means it can 3 shot me) has 2x my hp/cp, and that's not even counting the summoner who's standing behind it ready to heal/buff/remove debuffs and to hit me with his nukes and greatsword...
I'm greatful for the boost back to normal C1 power they gave us daggers in C4...but the boosts they gave to other classes just make it seem like some sick joke.
I do not recall anyone saying mages are balanced explicitly, althgough there is probably some people who feel they are balanced. There are some people already who say mages deal tons of damage, but cares.
You have new polearm skills that make people lose their targets. How is it possible to kill a dwarf with a mage when theyre constantly making you lose your target? Next chron theyll give them craftable grenades and theyll run around 1 shotting parties. [censored] [censored] =.=
I couldn't help but laugh at picturing that. But if ranged attack is based on Dex, you wouldn't see too many Dwarves lobbing grenades over their heads. As amusing as it would be. Maybe allow them to launch mortars instead?
You have new polearm skills that make people lose their targets. How is it possible to kill a dwarf with a mage when theyre constantly making you lose your target? Next chron theyll give them craftable grenades and theyll run around 1 shotting parties. [censored] [censored] =.=
I couldn't help but laugh at picturing that. But if ranged attack is based on Dex, you wouldn't see too many Dwarves lobbing grenades over their heads. As amusing as it would be. Maybe allow them to launch mortars instead?
I'm petitioning for 2 BH skills -
Kneecap - just like entangle
HammerThrow - Throw your blunt like stunshot, but with a very long cooldwon.
I don't feel these two things would overpower the class at all.
I couldn't help but laugh at picturing that. But if ranged attack is based on Dex, you wouldn't see too many Dwarves lobbing grenades over their heads. As amusing as it would be. Maybe allow them to launch mortars instead?
Why are people always insulting dwarf dex? Go pick on the orcs, they really suck in that department. Dwarf with +5 dex has same dex as a DE. Dwarf only has 1 less dex than a human... They're really not so bad off in the physical stats department.
They are ridiculously overpowered and c4 will only make them better. Regardless of how well buffed a melee is he wont get close to a mage once the Elven Summoner buff/WM Dance become a readily avaliable addition to a mages arsenal of buffs.
Not to mention with Shield blocks as they are, the ability to spam CP+QHPs and in a necromancers case, almost the effective HP of a tank class, I cant see how someone can start to argue that there is the slightest sense of balance and keep a straight face.
Wow what an arsenal. God knows those buffs are way over powered. Thanks C4 for my uber arsenal of buffs. Watch out people dont mess with me I got Blazing Skin 3 you achers are powned.
PFFF
w/e
Does a summoner = Mage i dunno i dont think so. Necros are differnt they are a bit of both. But who am I to say. But what lvl does the Necros new summon get its cools skills 60 + 70+??? You figure a mage is good for targeting and damage dealing 5-6 lvls above his/her lvl So if your 65 and your fighting a lvl 69 70 mage yeah your gona get owned. But once again this is all about PVP. Let me hear more complianing from the people who do high lvl raids and got their B/A/S grade from the raids about how Mages are SOOOOOOOOOOO over powered.
Were are the castle owners complaing about over powered mages. The point is as much as you hate us the game would not be were it is with out it.
Look to modern warfare for examples of the long ranged high damage dealing equipment... Every thing has its purpose. Every thing has its weakness. Find the weakness and exploit it.
I also want all healer/buffer clases to recharge and none of this 198 mp crap I want 1k mp per recharge from the best recharge and work your way down i.e healer style greater recharge battle recharge group recharge
I'm petitioning for 2 BH skills -
Kneecap - just like entangle
HammerThrow - Throw your blunt like stunshot, but with a very long cooldwon.
I don't feel these two things would overpower the class at all.
Kneecap sounds useful, though maybe name it "Anklebite"? Unless, of course, the animation actually shows the dwarf going for the front of the knees bashing inward. Not too sure about hammerthrow, though. Unless you can explain a way for the dwarf to retain the blunt after hurling it at their enemy.
Why are people always insulting dwarf dex? Go pick on the orcs, they really suck in that department. Dwarf with +5 dex has same dex as a DE. Dwarf only has 1 less dex than a human... They're really not so bad off in the physical stats department.
Maybe because they're about 3' tall if they stretch? Orcs are slow because they're lunking around a lot of meat. Dwarves are slow because they don't sit too far off of the ground. I don't know, allow Dwarves to ride their summons!
I'm petitioning for 2 BH skills -
Kneecap - just like entangle
HammerThrow - Throw your blunt like stunshot, but with a very long cooldwon.
I don't feel these two things would overpower the class at all.
Kneecap sounds useful, though maybe name it "Anklebite"? Unless, of course, the animation actually shows the dwarf going for the front of the knees bashing inward. Not too sure about hammerthrow, though. Unless you can explain a way for the dwarf to retain the blunt after hurling it at their enemy.
Why are people always insulting dwarf dex? Go pick on the orcs, they really suck in that department. Dwarf with +5 dex has same dex as a DE. Dwarf only has 1 less dex than a human... They're really not so bad off in the physical stats department.
Maybe because they're about 3' tall if they stretch? Orcs are slow because they're lunking around a lot of meat. Dwarves are slow because they don't sit too far off of the ground. I don't know, allow Dwarves to ride their summons!
Well.. in a true L2 fashion, they could make us buy the hammers for throwing from the shop.. like arrows or cursed bones, you gotta carry em with you.
And the animation for Kneecap should show that big mean blunt crushing someone's knee and their leg bending the wrong way or sticking out at an odd angle for the duration of the debuff.. lol
Well.. in a true L2 fashion, they could make us buy the hammers for throwing from the shop.. like arrows or cursed bones, you gotta carry em with you.
And the animation for Kneecap should show that big mean blunt crushing someone's knee and their leg bending the wrong way or sticking out at an odd angle for the duration of the debuff.. lol
Or possibly make the hammers a craftable item, cheap in item cost like arrows. Except using a few base mats + crystals.
And aye, I like the idea of the visual effect of the kneesmash ;)
Wow what an arsenal. God knows those buffs are way over powered. Thanks C4 for my uber arsenal of buffs. Watch out people dont mess with me I got Blazing Skin 3 you achers are powned.
PFFF
w/e.
Yeah, whatever to that one buddy! You really are genuinely stupid arent you. I thought by saying WM dance and ES pony buff you might have just about realised that the source of the buffs I was referring to were not the mage himself. Again, an arena bound **** mage with no idea what he is actually talking about.
When was the last time you saw the "SELFBUFFS ONLY M8 LOL" stipulation for anything but an overlord hoping for abit of 1v1age in the arena. Seriously now.
A witicism and a half. I thought by the fact I could see that one comming a mile off would lead the half wits who cleverly spotted the aformentioned retort in to not trying it, perhaps through fear of becomming too predictable. You have gone and done it though buddy, well done!
Wow what an arsenal. God knows those buffs are way over powered. Thanks C4 for my uber arsenal of buffs. Watch out people dont mess with me I got Blazing Skin 3 you achers are powned.
PFFF
w/e.
Yeah, whatever to that one buddy! You really are genuinely stupid arent you. I thought by saying WM dance and ES pony buff you might have just about realised that the source of the buffs I was referring to were not the mage himself. Again, an arena bound **** mage with no idea what he is actually talking about.
When was the last time you saw the "SELFBUFFS ONLY M8 LOL" stipulation for anything but an overlord hoping for abit of 1v1age in the arena. Seriously now.
Next time be more specifc. Second 5 buffs and 2 dances and "wild magic" barley counts. Wow what an arsenal. And one again your refering to SUMMONERS who in my understaning are buffers/healers with a tank although they do hit hard themselves. How many melle buffs are there. Or wait does death whisper and foucs count for us allong with haste and might accuracy all the dances and the 1 song do those count for us 2 since we can use a sword or staff. And becuse some of us carry a shiled does andvance block count as 1 of our arsenal of mage buffs.
Get over yourself quit being so high and mighty... What ever mage grifed you when u were lvl 20 should be ashamed of his/herself for making you sooooooooo angry. If you consently get owned by mages stop fighting them. If your not getting owned quit crying your winning you should gloat.
And fyi sometimes I do go 1v1 in arena buffed and sometimes I just use balzing skin cuz its so uber.
A witicism and a half. I thought by the fact I could see that one comming a mile off would lead the half wits who cleverly spotted the aformentioned retort in to not trying it, perhaps through fear of becomming too predictable. You have gone and done it though buddy, well done!
Firstly, any mage who knows what he is doing in a fully buffed pvp situation will have more than 5 buffs, they will probably fill all 20. I also do not know where you brought this summoner talk into it, all I have mentioned are Necromancers summons (they are hardly a true summoner, at least not of the warlock variety) and the elven summoner buff, but that is only in regards to passing that on to a mage.
I think it is funny when people that play nukers make stuped post saying "We are not overpowered, we are not over powered." when they really are. They make themselves sound stuped.
Nerf nukers, make summoners and EEs best, kkthxbye.
There is never gunna be a situation where everyone agrees on mages...the fact is this: people who use mages as thier mains will plead the game is balanced...people who do not use mages will argue mages deal too much damage. It's a tough subject because a mage against any fighter is going to die easily in a short period of time (hand to hand combat). The only way mages can be effective in pvp is to kill enemies before they get their shots off. NcSoft made this possible for mages although they may have gone a bit extreme, getting hit for over 5k damage from a mage less than 5 lvls higher than me with one shot (magic crit) is just rediculous(I have full bo set+3, the mage was a friend low lvl 60s). This spell took only moments to cast and completly crippled me, maybe the action of keeping mages how they are but increasing pdef for other classes should be taken...just a suggestion.
Yeah the ability to two hit enemies lvls higher and dominate pvp...mages are without a doubt the worst class in l2...oh wait id have to be a complete noob to think that.
yeah an archer 30 lvls higher than a mage can 1 shot it...show me a screenshot of a one hit with 2 identical lvls...or right you cant because thats the worst argument of all time
Archers aren't a threat...
Deflect Arrow + Shield + Adv Block + Bless Shield = LoL @ Archers
Gimme at least some defense against Mages...
Song of Warding + Magic Barrier + Mental Shield =
15% Chance to resist sleep/-100 Dmg on Nukes... GG...
Assist, nuke, nuke, incorrect target, assist, nuke, etc.
I agree.
please name one class in this game that requires skill? Lineage 2 is the most lacking game cuz it requires really no skill at all, just knowledge of the game.
please name one class in this game that requires skill? Lineage 2 is the most lacking game cuz it requires really no skill at all, just knowledge of the game.
Use Transfer Pain.
Use Gloom.
"Assist Kami"
Jetta hit you for 1010 damage.
"Heals on Kami!"
Use Dark Vortex.
You hit for 3025 damage.
Use Death Spike.
You hit for 2000 damage.
Incorrect target.
Use Transfer Pain.
Use Gloom.
"Assist Kami"
Jetta hit you for 1010 damage.
"Heals on Kami!"
Use Dark Vortex.
You hit for 3025 damage.
Use Death Spike.
You hit for 2000 damage.
Incorrect target.
You sir are lying. Thats like to much good news to possibly be belivable.
It's also very bad if I miss more than TH and PW again. ><
I'm not trying to argue the existance of santa claus here...I'm sure every one of you has access to a dagger user and someone with SOME kind of crit rate raising buff, whether it be a SWS, an SW, a Proph or whatever.
Grab the two and go test it! It's lovely. ^^
The only people who could be made about this being added back in are people with MM daggers...for everyone else, it's GREAT!
Archers aren't a threat...
Deflect Arrow + Shield + Adv Block + Bless Shield = LoL @ Archers
Gimme at least some defense against Mages...
Song of Warding + Magic Barrier + Mental Shield =
15% Chance to resist sleep/-100 Dmg on Nukes... GG...
Dont Forget Resist Wind Resist Fire those help alot and if you aint using them add it to your buff bots list of thing to buff you with.
Archers aren't a threat...
Deflect Arrow + Shield + Adv Block + Bless Shield = LoL @ Archers
Gimme at least some defense against Mages...
Song of Warding + Magic Barrier + Mental Shield =
15% Chance to resist sleep/-100 Dmg on Nukes... GG...
Dont Forget Resist Wind Resist Fire those help alot and if you aint using them add it to your buff bots list of thing to buff you with.
Ohh B4 this gets out of hand I'm not accusing any one of botting. Your 2 boxed or Boxed or whatever buffer I just call it a "Buff Bot".