Newcomer, what do ya need?

I have just signed up and I am downloading the full client and the 4th installment. I see Hindermith has a lively community. What does the server need the most of in terms of classes and skills? I was thinking of a Dwarf artisan, but would hate to overload a busy field. Any thoughts from you veterans?

Rather than play a class you think the server needs, I think you would stick with the game much longer if you pick a class you think you'd like to play.

True, True, but I enjoy grouping, so I would definietly find the game enjoyable if I had a character that groups needed, but then again, hey to glut the server of healers for example when fighters are needed. So I guess I will snoop around and make my decision. Thanx for your time :)

Well, in that case what I woud say is go healer or maybe even Dark Elf fighter to become Blade Dancer as they are a good melee class which is always sought out for groups (the "dances" [which also look cool] help give your party buffs).

IN the end though you really want to play something you enjoy. And though you might make an Artisan to help make you money, you will never see someone yelling in town "looking for Artisan, or several, for groups!".

You will see people yell "looking for Artisan that can craft 'x' item" however.

Shillen Elder is the most sought after for groups, but a lot of people "2 box" them. If you choose to go healer, be preparred to die a lot and rarely get experience rezz.. Bishop doesn't get a lot of party spells, but they have a wicked set of heals.

I'm an Elven Elder which is the PvP version of a healer. We're the last choice for groups because we don't get powerful bishop heals or Shillen Group heals... but we're uber fast in running and casting.

Other popular party classes include:
Warcrier
BladeDancer

I suggest you pick a race and either fighter or mystic. When you get to lvl 20 (first class change), you'll pretty well know what you want.

Is every server PVP :(

Is every server PVP :(

Yes.

What's with the sad face and PvP?

I'm a kind and gentle buddhist, but you can't deny the warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction you get when you can pummel the goobers who act in the name of stupidity... I mean evil...

look at what kind of classes are possible online (there should be a list in library section here) and then decide what you'd like most.

i personally started my char in prelude as a DE archer/assasin because i played one in every game, i enjoy being a "Ranger" class.

If you want a pvp character, you should stick with an archer class or a nuker class (yes i know, there are too many already of those)

I left WOW because I was tired of being 20th level and having 60s swoop in to kill. There should of been a penalty for killing lower levels, I mean you don't get XP for killing low level mobs, but they were getting credit for killing us, so there was the incentive. What level does the PVP start, or can I be slaughtered straight from the womb. :(

You are free range my friend... But noobs do have a lot of saving graces...

Around beginner points are ANTI pk sentinals. You get pk'd and they'll get dropped by a bot. You also get started weapons, buffs, cubics, and soulshots.

Also, the map is seperated into level zones. You'll see very few lvl 60+ in beginner and intermediate areas... It's rather expensive for us to make a trip over to your side of the world just for the heck of it or pvp.

Pk is penalized with Karma... If you have karma you go chaotic and have the potential to lose your gear.

I left WOW because I was tired of being 20th level and having 60s swoop in to kill. There should of been a penalty for killing lower levels, I mean you don't get XP for killing low level mobs, but they were getting credit for killing us, so there was the incentive. What level does the PVP start, or can I be slaughtered straight from the womb. :(

You know, I hate to say this but perhaps this is not the game for you. This is not to say you are going to be slaughtered always, all the time, forever...

But it is open pvp... if a lvl 70+ and his friends decide it's time ot be the Terminator, short of having friends of similiar lvl, you are just going to have to run, hide... take the death.

Sorry.

But that is the game... get friends who will help you avenge.
I'm not sure you realize it but L2 is first and formost a pvp game.

And as far as wow goes... just go to a non pvp server. You can't get killed unless you go into the opposing faction territory if I remember correctly.

ill have to agree with Sov....if you left WoW coz of the "pvp" in wow (if you can even call it pvp compared to how it is in L2), then you will prolly not be happy in L2.

L2 is more of a pvp game than WoW and you will get killed by other people in game, thats not avoidable.

Actually Sov, PvP is much better in Lineage2 because a level 70 killing a level 10 really does have costs.

The level 10 will get everything back from dying in probably 10 minutes...

The level 70 will end up spending a lot of time or adena getting everything back to where he was before killing that newbie... and may NEVER get it back if someone kills them while red and they drop.

If you get attacked before level 20, make a judgement call... If you are level 4, just fight and play with the flagging system. Who cares if you die? you lose nothing and it is just a free trip to town. If you are level 5 or higher, run towards a sentinel/guard and start XPing near the guard if you aren't in the mood. (or suspect they are much higher level)

If you die, shout in zone the name, location and clan of the attacker and write it down on a list of "pk characters". Then go XP somewhere else. DO NOT whine or make a big deal out of it. Do not respond to taunts. Just go kill some mobs for XP or run some newbie quests. The little boy will get bored and bother someone else.

Better yet he will forget who he killed and later on brag about his "PK character"... Revenge is a dish best served cold.

-Bring his main character a train of 40 stunning mobs and loot his A grade helm, remind him that he started it long ago...
-Align politics to stomp his alliance out of a castle, then stomp his alliance off the server so they cannot even wear their clan/alliance tags.

Lineage2 really does have a much better system.

"I really love hitmen. You can do whatever you want to them and you don't feel bad."

Oh I don't know... of course you are correct in theory, but in practice what happens is the lvl 70 uses a clan soe... get's his clan buddies to go with him to BS and they work it off.

Now... if the lvl 70 goes nuts and decideds to try a complete "scourge of the shire" then he/she might have issues working all that off.

Then again... I just used that as a "wide" example as I really don't see any lvl 70 players pking newbies (unless they decide to quite and go out "in a blaze of glory")

If a player gets his/her character to 70+ then he/she is really not interested too much in lvl 10 players... they are probably ensconced in the politics of Hindemith.

The level 70 likely has a few PKs to start with...

Sure he could BSoE to clan hall... but he still has to work it off which is more than likely gonna take longer than the level 10 is gonna take to get his XP back. This isn't counting the Sin Eater to get rid of the PK.

Take their name... the little boys blab sooner or later and then you take your opportunities where they come. Comparing ******s seems irresistable for them.

70th characters still go red... but they pay for it one way or another. Level 10 with any perspective can laugh it off. While Lineage2's system isn't perfect, the trick is to not let the children get to you and PvP is much better than WoW's system by a long shot.

Shillen Elder is the most sought after for groups, but a lot of people "2 box" them. .

omg we have TO MUCH SEs on server .. and that 2nd box thingy is a problem .. who need us real SEs ? .. get a class thats better then SE .. SE suckz in PVP (( not all but they suck in pvp ))

get a class thats better then SE .. SE suckz in PVP (( not all but they suck in pvp ))

lol.. speak to 1Raven1 about that.. he is a very good PvP SE. However.. maybe you are right in that most people who play a SE (and keep in mind "most") are playing them because they want to heal and support and not to "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"

Take their name... the little boys blab sooner or later and then you take your opportunities where they come. Comparing ******s seems irresistable for them.

lol.. .ok.. fair enough!

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"

Sovrath knows "what is best in life."

It is not the open steppe, fleet horse, falcon on your wrist, wind in your hair!

You've now made my list of "heroes" alongside such greats as TuBBs, Alz, and FIash.

Wizard: "What are the flowers for?!?"
Conan: "... For girls!!!"
Wizard: "HA HA HA!!"

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"

Sovrath knows "what is best in life."

It is not the open steppe, fleet horse, falcon on your wrist, wind in your hair!

You've now made my list of "heroes" alongside such greats as TuBBs, Alz, and FIash.

Wizard: "What are the flowers for?!?"
Conan: "... For girls!!!"
Wizard: "HA HA HA!!"



You killed my snake.
Thorgrim is beside himself with grief.
He raised that snake from the time it was born.

You killed my mother. You killed my father. You killed my people!
You took my father's sword.

Ah! Must have been when I was younger.
There was a time, boy, when I searched for steel.
When steel meant more to me than gold or jewels.
The riddle of steel.
Yes! You know what it is, don't you, boy?
Shall I tell you? It's the least I can do.
Steel isn't strong, boy. Flesh is stronger.
Look around you.
There, on the rocks.
That beautiful girl.
Come to me, my child. (girl steps off of balcony to her death)
That is strength, boy.
That is power.
The strength and power of flesh.
What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?
The strength of your body...
...the desire in your heart. I gave you this.
Such a waste.
Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.
Crucify him.

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!

You see TrinityNth... you come to Hindemith and not only do you get all of our drama but you get "Conan the Barbarian" piped right to your door.

Next week, Spitner and I will perform it in Semaphore.

then to HELL with you!

lol.. yup.. doesn't get better than this :D

I left WOW because I was tired of being 20th level and having 60s swoop in to kill. There should of been a penalty for killing lower levels, I mean you don't get XP for killing low level mobs, but they were getting credit for killing us, so there was the incentive. What level does the PVP start, or can I be slaughtered straight from the womb. :(

I also came from WoW, from a PvP server, and i'm beyond carebear. I left because of the PvP. Trust me, this isn't WoW. I've been playing almost 3 weeks and I've been pk'd....twice. I can't say that in WoW, I ever went that long without being killed by another player. Ever.

Largest difference in this game vs. WoW is the fact that this game has *gasp* penalties for your actions. You kill someone, you go red, and that can sometimes take a good while to work off. You die, *gasp* you loose xp and maybe that uber leet Staff of pwnage you just bought for 5mil.

WoW babied the B-net kiddies who wanted things to be easier, with no responsibility. I've yet to see that attitude here within this game.

And it makes me happy. :)

... you get "Conan the Barbarian" piped right to your door.

This was brilliant. I'm almost sad I was reciting it right with you... ;)

Trust me, this isn't WoW. I've been playing almost 3 weeks and I've been pk'd....twice. I can't say that in WoW, I ever went that long without being killed by another player. Ever.

In the earlier days of the game there were more pk'ers around. Especially on Talking Island (TI).

They would make special trips to go there and decimate the population.

Then one day someone decided to create an all pk'er clan, PK Incorporated. I believe it was EvilSeed one of our most notorious players.

I just remember one of my young clanmates... a really gentle soul, was horrified by the whole ordeal. He just couldn't believe it.

New players have a bit of a respite as pk'ers don't usually want to take a trip to an area with a few new players. You seem to find them more around Dion now.

Higher levlels the pking is about politics. Usually.

Sauska I want to see this uber deadly staff your talking about for 5 million .

Just kidding.

If you left WOW at level 20 because of pk's then you probably will not like it here. Most true pk's now days are one high level against a low level. Once you get to a level where you can fight back and try to protect yourself it is nolonger a pk, but a pvp. By the time you get to a point where a death will really hurt you in xp time you should have friends and a clan to be with. That will cut down on the chances of a pk'r taking you out.

Message morgase any time for help.