Yet another dwarf Nerf 2.0

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Some stuff I discovered again playing my dwarf on some raids today.

First off I noticed a week ago, when we killed orfen, I hited im for about 50-100 in damage or so per hit, BUT with stun attack, yep damage was 5-6 in damage... oh and I'm sure not lying. Here is a picture proof: http://lineage2.mugimugi.org/Image4.jpg Now tell me whats up with that?
Btw this even apply on normal raid bosses: http://lineage2.mugimugi.org/Image5.jpg

Oh yeah did I mention did 3 more raid bossed today, to and used at least 50-60 stun attack totaly, didnt stick a single time with stun, neitehr did it do more damage then 6. I know by fact taht it did a lot more damage then this in C3, also did STUN.

We alredy know that dwarves is alredy locked out in some areas of the game, like the festival where all mobs is blunt, pole resist, so, C4 also add that dwarves is now no longer welcome to be any more usefull here at raids to.

So whats next? Deletion of the class? well feel like it due the recent "typo" who cause an race to not being able to use it's only skill.

Edit: Proof that Stun attack did more damage befor ^^ sorry captured from an old movie I did in C3 http://lineage2.mugimugi.org/vlcsnap-512252.png
wow your res stinks :) :D
The rez sucks becose I captured all thoes things abow with Fraps, not ingame screenshtos, plus you need to play it in low rez to make quite good quality movies, Thats the reason. But thats not what the thread is about, it's about every uppcoming darn nerf towards dwarfs, and never some boost. Locking the class out from more and more game play modes.
You sure they didn't just raise the pdef of some bosses?
They have stun resistance, which also reduces damage taken by stun skills.
If her normal dmg is the same it cant be Pdef that has changed. Also, if the stun doesnt work on the boss it clearly shows they've done something to stun or to the bosses. Raid bosses now stun resistant?
Well I've noticed that stun in general might even have got a little boost. While hunting in a necropolis with yellow/light red mobs it felt like ti would land at least 50% of the time... which is certainly a lot better than before. I didn't have the opportinity to do further research, because noone wold invite me into a party when they get kicked and hunting yellow and light red mobs solo is a wee bit difficult. ^^

Stun resistance on Raid bosses sucks nontheless. >_<

Cal
Orfen's info isn't visible because the drop-down menu wasn't showing, but the raid mob in the 2nd shot clearly shows the hammer icon for stun. I'm not 100% sure as I have never targetted this particular boss, but I'll wager a dollar to your nickel that it means it is in fact resistant to stuns.

Orfen's info isn't visible because the drop-down menu wasn't showing, but the raid mob in the 2nd shot clearly shows the hammer icon for stun. I'm not 100% sure as I have never targetted this particular boss, but I'll wager a dollar to your nickel that it means it is in fact resistant to stuns.



erm, last time i checked this icon means 'weakness to blunts' which is pretty common for undead mobs.


First off I noticed a week ago, when we killed orfen, I hited im for about 50-100 in damage or so per hit, BUT with stun attack, yep damage was 5-6 in damage... oh and I'm sure not lying.



I'd say your bug is somehow connected to this one here:
http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=519197
Btw dosnt mater if the mob is blunt week or not, have hitted on 5-6 raid bosses all are the same.
Stun and Hammer crush seems to be broken, at least for two handed blunts which i tried. It only seems to affect certain classes though. I petitioned about it but no response.
Hi, resistant to stun, the raid bosses are.

Try Hammer Crushing someone in Majestic, watch it do really low damage.
but it makes no sense. the skill power is added to normal pattack thus a skill shan't deal less dmg than normal attack.
But it is dealing less damage then the normal attack.

But it's yet just one of the at least 50 broken things about the dwarfs curently and yeah no developers in NA so it will never be fixed ever.
Hi there, STUN RESISTANCE!!!

Stun resistance also reduces DAMAGE done by stun skills...like I said, try to use a stun skill that does damage (hammer crush, stunshot etc.) on someone wearing full majestic set, you will do like no damage.
So in othejr words an New dwarf nerf, just as I talked about, yay GG the way to go, nerf the class who is the worst in PvP alredy to be even worser.
Its nothing new, its a nerf to stunning raidbosses, not just dorfs have stun skills that also do damage...
yea, but only dwarfs happened to have 50% of their skills bieng stuning and giving damage..
Since polearms are not all that useful in PvP, 100% of our pvp skills have been nerfed.

At least I cannot remember any good example for a situation in which I used Spoil or Fake Death in PvP. :)

Stun was not overly useful, but in PvP we had nothing else to spam our MP for and at least it would hit every time and do slightly more damage than a nor mal hit. Now we have only normal hit... ya.

Cal
nother nerf for my list i guess
c3 stun attack done 50% more damage than a normal attack
now it does 5% as much?

i also noticed that stun lands a hellava lot more in c4 but i just assumed its because i was higher lvl

EDIT:just tested stun its been gimped in pvp so now it actually lands less :/
pve boost is good though
5 dmg?!
ur better then me ^^
did only 3 on Antharas with Hammer Crush >.<
Stun resistence or not, hammer crush is hurting for less then it should. On a player with no stun resistence, in tallum light armour, my hammer crush did 30 damage, he had no buffs what so ever. He then put maj light on and i hit about 28 damage. A normal swing of my blunt did around 300 damage. explain that?? my hammer crush is max level and so is sword/blunt mastery, i have about 1100 p atk.
Watched that movie, tehre where nothing about spoil dealing any damage at all in it so, umm I duno about that 1100 damage you where talking about is, sorry. There is or sure once the dwarf hit very hard but that is a crit.
Storm does spoil payday more than once, but she gets paralyzed before the second spoil, I asked him and he said spoil did the damage because he enchanted it
Still can't see it, sorry. If you can tell me exactly teh time frame I may be able to find it but watched hte parts where the dwarf spoils at least 5-6 times.
Oh, and StormBlaze's/Ogura's Hammer Crush did as much damage as their normal hits, if you check the damage logs, and stun landed like 50% of the time, so I dont see the whole "my class does no damage with hammer crush in pvp" thing someone else posted earlier
I can't see the problem. The screen says "... was unaffected by Hammer Crush" and so the skills does almost no damage. I don't know about the damage when the skill failed in C3.

I can't see the problem. The screen says "... was unaffected by Hammer Crush" and so the skills does almost no damage. I don't know about the damage when the skill failed in C3.



It delt the same damage no mater what the skill failed or not.
So many bugs to fix... I hope thats the reason we get the "GMs are busy" messages on login. ;)

Or does anyone really think that this nerf could be intended and not a bug?

Cal

Or does anyone really think that this nerf could be intended and not a bug?



better friggn not be its the only skill we got
I watched this vid 4 times now. Storm hit for 1k with a crit. She spoiled but it did nothing.
It wasn't just a dwarf Nerf...its a Hammer Crush Nerf and other classes have Hammer Crush as well.

But look at the description on Hammer Crush now. Unless they changed it since it went live it says it makes mobs mad at you?? Is this supposed to be like a stun/hate skill for dwarfs now.

WarSmiths never could be half decent tanks because they could never keep agro. With the description they have on Maestro's ..taking the lead in a fight now maybe thats what they had in mind with the skill change?? Or maybe its a bug...

If it has changed it doesn't hurt WarSmiths so bad..they could use a hate skill to keep agro off there golem but....BH's sure got Gimped even more.
Ya, Hammer Crush is screwed over. We raided today, 4 bosses that I was taking down(logged in the middle of it all :) )... used Hammer Crush on all of em(spamming it as much as cooldown allowed). Not a single time did the stun land, and the dmg I did was 0-2dmg even to Blunt weak boss. My normal swing on that blunt did normal dmg but with Hammer Crush, zero, nada, nothing! If the skill does not land a single time on a Raidboss when it's used 40+ times, it is as good as useless. Waste of SP. If my stun does not land on a blunt weak, green boss or a mob, what good is it? It does zero dmg, and it sure as hell doesnt stun.

Didnt land in pvp either and last time I checked, DC robes and doom armor dont have Stun resist. And DEs got crappy con...

So, NCSoft, did you break the skill by accident or did you guys just decide that "Hey, lets screw all the people that have trained Hammer Crush."?

- A very ****** Destro that lost the ability to stun.
land rate on stun is soooooo friggn low its not funny
im talking failing 4 out of 5 on an archer 25 lvls lower with -8 con

i mean it was low in c3 but seriously?
Dunno what you were doing but my hammer crush landed decently on an equal level tank. Like 75%. Maybe only good luck tho... only did a couple of tries. :P Running around flagged on friends in enemy territory is not recommended. ;)

Cal