3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
**** Kut, you almost made a great post here, but there are some small issues in #4. I took the liberty of highlighting the words/phrases that are objectionable.
Without attempting to flame, I would like to point out Kut, that is these types of words and phrases that are usually peppered throughout your posts that get folks upset.
You, whether you mean to or not, present your opionion/case with comments that can offend and belittle the reader. When a reader attempts to call you on your choice of words and the attitude read as per those words, your defense if often hostile and demeaning.
Anyway, good post and I agree on the spirit of the message.
And you think that since posting this you are somewhat above it all? Wake up and smell the BS, Kut....
I particulary like this one:
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
Valid point, I agree. But it's when you contradict everything another person has said, and then imply, or just state directly, something about a person's intelligence and/or personality, that you start sounding like a preacher that can do no wrong.
And I know, we've all done it at one point or another. But you coming here, acting like, well, "holier-than-thou", posting these nice lil guide lines and what not - it's just bloody ironic.
Ups, almost missed No. 4. Again - nice off-hand insult.
Bottom line: while the points are valid and it sure would be nice if everyone would hold by them, coming from you... I know, lets finish with an abbreviated metaphore:
Without attempting to flame, I would like to point out Kut, that is these types of words and phrases that are usually peppered throughout your posts that get folks upset.
You, whether you mean to or not, present your opionion/case with comments that can offend and belittle the reader. When a reader attempts to call you on your choice of words and the attitude read as per those words, your defense if often hostile and demeaning.
Yes, when I express my opinion I do it in as clear and concise a manner as I can. Sometime's that is going to hurt and demean someone else. I hope I do it when it is needed to make the point, but not without reason.
I am not politically correct. I call it like I see it. I dont feel this goes against my rules.
Take for example Spacetamb's post in this thread. I am about to tear it apart using thought out arguments.
He took the road of just disagreeing with me, because it is me. Not because of anything in particular that I said. This sort of tact is not expressing his own opinions, but rather, the anti-opinion if I may.
And you think that since posting this you are somewhat above it all? Wake up and smell the BS, Kut....
Let's look at how you attemp to prove the above points in order to look at its validity.
I particulary like this one:
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
Valid point, I agree. But it's when you contradict everything another person has said, and then imply, or just state directly, something about a person's intelligence and/or personality, that you start sounding like a preacher that can do no wrong.
2. Arguing your opinion does not make you wrong.
If someone is being irrational, or ignorant, and I point it out while explaining why I feel that way, I am making my point. Making your opinion above reproach and unable to be examined and reputed by others would seem a little more preachy then correcting or arguing an opinion if you ask me.
And I know, we've all done it at one point or another. But you coming here, acting like, well, "holier-than-thou", posting these nice lil guide lines and what not - it's just bloody ironic.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
What is ironic, is you made this post. You need to sit back and look at what you are saying here, you are arguing with me because of who I am, not what I have said. That is your first of many mistakes.
Ups, almost missed No. 4. Again - nice off-hand insult.
It is only an insult if you are not able to debate and discuss. We all can live and learn and we all look like morons at times. Taking this statement to be directed at you says something.
Bottom line: while the points are valid and it sure would be nice if everyone would hold by them, coming from you... I know, lets finish with an abbreviated metaphore:
Pot -> Kettle -> Black
The bottom line really is, I follow these rules and as we have just seen, while you dispute this, you cannot back that dispute up with any sort of validity.
Im sorry, but your argument has been disproved and your initial statement is then still questionable.
Typically when it comes to forums, people jump to flaming when they have either reached a roadblock or have figured out that their argument is no longer valid, but they cannot simply say, "Having given it some thought, I was incorrect."
It happens all the time here, and on other forums.
The other thing I see with regularity is people who post only to argue. You can tell they don't really care about which side of the argument they are on, just that they are in on the argument. They're easy to spot because they frequently change their stance on a topic.
Then there are the people who post adversely to other people because they don't like the person.
Lastly, and my personal favorite.. are the posters who post seeking attention. They post trying to start flame wars, or just to say stupid stuff in an effort to get attention. These are the one's I really feel sorry for, since you're RL must be pretty bad if you're trying to get attention through a forum board.
There's lots of good kinds of posters too, I just wanted to focus on the more deviant ones. It's worth noting that people can drift between more than one type also.
Oh my, put some effort into it. Fine, I'll do the same, just this once... Anything for you.
Let's look at how you attemp to prove the above points in order to look at its validity.
I never once stated that I'm trying to prove these points you made. So, to clarify, I will restate my position: I think they are valid, to the point where people should try and keep them in mind when posting on the boards.
If someone is being irrational, or ignorant, and I point it out while explaining why I feel that way, I am making my point. Making your opinion above reproach and unable to be examined and reputed by others would seem a little more preachy then correcting or arguing an opinion if you ask me.
Agreed. But you usually add a "Your parents must be so proud" or "SoS has hit an all time low", or even "SoS women are pathetic"...
What is ironic, is you made this post. You need to sit back and look at what you are saying here, you are arguing with me because of who I am, not what I have said. That is your first of many mistakes.
By now you should have probably realised it, but I'll say it out loud, so you don't get any wrong ideas. I don't like you. I have zero respect for you. Only reason I'm engaging in this lil exchange, is so I can annoy you some more.
It is only an insult if you are not able to debate and discuss. We all can live and learn and we all look like morons at times. Taking this statement to be directed at you says something.
Another implied insult, I am so hurt. Well, you could be right ofcourse. But seeing as how you have some weird grudge (aka chip on your shoulder), AND you repeatedly throw insults around, I'm gonna go with your natural tendency of opening your mouth and spewing horse excrements.
The bottom line really is, I follow these rules and as we have just seen, while you dispute this, you cannot back that dispute up with any sort of validity.
Im sorry, but your argument has been disproved and your initial statement is then still questionable.
Follow these rules? Let me answer that one with one of your own:
Kut has hit an all time low...
EDIT: just to clarify: I don't like you, Kut, and the feeling is shared in our clan. And it's obviously mutual. So, instead of coming here and posting how you've always been ethical and curteous in your posts, why don't we all just leave it at that? At the "me no likey" stance and stay out of each others hair, mmmkay?
I never once stated that I'm trying to prove these points you made.
Umm.. you were trying to prove your own points, not mine. You misunderstood what I said there.
Agreed. But you usually add a "Your parents must be so proud" or "SoS has hit an all time low", or even "SoS women are pathetic"...
I never said "SoS women are pathetic" dont make things up to try and make your point valid. The other two, I dont see how they are out of line with what I have said.
By now you should have probably realised it, but I'll say it out loud, so you don't get any wrong ideas. I don't like you. I have zero respect for you. Only reason I'm engaging in this lil exchange, is so I can annoy you some more.
By now you should have realized, you dont annoy me and the only reason I persist in responding to you and yours, is to watch you step in the mess you make yourselves.
Another implied insult, I am so hurt. Well, you could be right ofcourse. But seeing as how you have some weird grudge (aka chip on your shoulder), AND you repeatedly throw insults around, I'm gonna go with your natural tendency of opening your mouth and spewing horse excrements.
And we can see the validity in your claim by the well thought out arguments you have supplied us here. I have no weird grudge or chip on my shoulder. How is it that me challenging what is said by you is seen as a chip, but you challenging me is somehow accepted and should be gospel?
EDIT: just to clarify: I don't like you, Kut, and the feeling is shared in our clan. And it's obviously mutual. So, instead of coming here and posting how you've always been ethical and curteous in your posts, why don't we all just leave it at that? At the "me no likey" stance and stay out of each others hair, mmmkay?
Please quote where I said I am always "ethical and courteous"? While you are at it show us where I said I care what you feel about me, and where I wanted you to stay out of my hair?
Let me give you another thing to think about here too, you arent the only person, nor clan who posts on these boards. By taking to mean I am directing my comments specifically at you, you are not following your own advice.
lol..
I got no beef with posting after someone because you just plain don't like em, hell I've been known to do it myself from time to time.
Problem is, that it hurts the credibility of your argument with the person. ie.. ahh I see what he says, but is he only saying it because he dislikes this guy. (example not related specifically to any one or any thing.)
Umm.. you were trying to prove your own points, not mine. You misunderstood what I said there.
My point is your existence is a blight on civilization. Care to argue about it?
I never said "SoS women are pathetic" dont make things up to try and make your point valid. The other two, I dont see how they are out of line with what I have said.
Yes you did. A while ago tho. I'm like an elephant, I never forget. What's beside the point - who do you think you are, passing moral judgement on us? Why in all that is holy can't you simply say "I disagree". Why this obsession with trying to prove anyone who disagrees with you is either immoral, pathetic or just plain dumb. I know why - you can't help yourself.
By now you should have realized, you dont annoy me and the only reason I persist in responding to you and yours, is to watch you step in the mess you make yourselves.
Mess we make? Hmmmmmm... Oh that's just too easy...
And we can see the validity in your claim by the well thought out arguments you have supplied us here. I have no weird grudge or chip on my shoulder. How is it that me challenging what is said by you is seen as a chip, but you challenging me is somehow accepted and should be gospel?
Oh, I thought you finally understood me there. Ok, I'll say it yet again: I do not like you, Kut. Nor do I have any respect for you. And looking at your track record, you're prone to sticking your foot in your mouth, and then whine like a baby. As such, I am perfectly happy talking to you as if you were a 5 year old child. You know, repeating myself over and over and over, anything to keep you entertained.
Please quote where I said I am always "ethical and courteous"? While you are at it show us where I said I care what you feel about me, and where I wanted you to stay out of my hair?
My bad... Posting a list of guide lines that closely resembles a forum etiquette and then saying you abide by them is not implying anything.
As for the hair part - sure, come on over to my place, and I'll braide your hair, and you can tell me all about your first kiss, you know, when Timmy next door took you by the hand and whispered gently in your ear...
Thank you for proving my point. If you cant figure out why I call people moron's when they post things like you did, you may want to evaluate how much stock you put in your L2 toon.
You liking me or not, has nothing to do with the points I made.
If you honestly think this low level of argument is going to get to me, you have not read a thing I have said, ever.
who do you think you are, passing moral judgement on us?
You have yet to show that is what I am doing. At the same time you are doing what you say I shouldnt. Which, as was stated by someone else, takes any validity out of your points.
Let's look at track records here, since you brought it up. You post what you call "facts" that are based solely on your dislike of me. I post arguments backed up by points and counter points. Hmm....
You have yet to answer one question I have posed to you, nor have you backed up one statement I have called you on.
Ill give you another shot:
Please show me where I "whined like a baby."
Seems to me like one of us here is stomping their feet and pounding their fists. Try harder son, you are making me look good.
I am crushed. Really I am. I don't know if I can recover from it.
Maybe this is a good time to bring up some real life stuff. Ya know, since I've been so demoralized in game, I can at the very least throw out some stuff about my job, or life, or education or somesuch. Like you used to, Kut, on a certain other forum.
Ok, enough teasing. If you had stepped off your pedestal for just a second, you might have seen your own hypocrisy. As things stand now - no, I am still not passing any moral judgement on you. I am telling you plain and simple - you are a tool. And I am just returning *** for tat.
Oh, and lets not forget how many threads got deleted. Where you were making nothing but constructive posts.
Now, you whining like a baby - I'd like to answer that with a popular song by "the Police", sing along with me now:
EVERY THREAD YOU MAKE....
Oh, and thank GOD my self respect and esteem is not dependant on what people say about me on the forums. Otherwise I'd feel the need to bring real life crap to a game, so that I could compensate for being such a worthless POS in game.
Much love, ya Dutch ******.
EDIT: snap, I would like to apologize to any dutch ladies. My remark about Kut was due to "kut" meaning ****** in dutch.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
All great points. Feel free to live by them.
Threads like this make no one 'look good.'
Salao: Please read from beginning to end. If you wonder why so many folks who were neutral or friendly to you are less positive now, here is a big reason...I like you guys fine (and don't have anything against Kut), but this thread was just BUILT to agitate. Does not help your cause.
Since you obviously have problems understanding anything but the drizzle coming out of your own ***, I'm gonna use your own words to... well, answer you... Starting now:
Way to not back up anything you say with anything but mindless rambling.
Show me hypocricy by me please. (So far you are 0 for the day.)
I didnt bring RL things to the boards btw. You guys did.
"Your parents must be proud."
P.S.: this is fun, I'm finally using constructive arguments!! woo woo, red fire truck?
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
**** Kut, you almost made a great post here, but there are some small issues in #4. I took the liberty of highlighting the words/phrases that are objectionable.
Without attempting to flame, I would like to point out Kut, that is these types of words and phrases that are usually peppered throughout your posts that get folks upset.
You, whether you mean to or not, present your opionion/case with comments that can offend and belittle the reader. When a reader attempts to call you on your choice of words and the attitude read as per those words, your defense if often hostile and demeaning.
Anyway, good post and I agree on the spirit of the message.
ofc, then there's your website, and g4, who combined reminds me of a racially charged hbo comedy hour.
also thank you for more material for the shadowsworn's mouths in action slideshow.
being a wordsmith, i totally intend to belittle the reader. as according to the shadowsworn website:
cry me a river. if you don't like being pk'ed go play everquest (or get an infinite supply of bsoe's, or just hang out in the arena 24/7)
So you have no problem with yourself saying personal insulting things instead of actual content and discussion.
But find it over the top, when I make a comment about your intelligence based on the level of argument you've posed so far?
Saying your parents must be proud is not bringing RL things to the boards unless I were to know that is true. It is an abstract figure of speech used to make a point. The example would be me saying your saying of "pot>kettle>black" is a RL attack because of my race.
If that were the case, anything said at all, that wasnt talking about the game here, would be bringing RL things into it. Including you saying you didnt like me as opposed to saying you didnt like my character in game.
If the points are good, then how does this one post change any opinion at all that you would have about our alliance?
I live by every one of those points to the best of my ability.
First post--yup. Then...someone flames once, you lose your self discipline and don't follow those points. You consistently make things more sarcastic, intolerant and negative than they need to be, and then you act surprised by flames and political ramifications on the server.
My opinion of your alliance used to be good. Threats to clannies, sarcasm and your thin skin has not made your alliance look good.
Just my opinion. I could certainly be wrong...the net of it is, your alliance stock is falling rapidly due to things said on these forums, and things done on Gustin even last night. Ask spoiler1.
Since you obviously have problems understanding anything but the drizzle coming out of your own ***, I'm gonna use your own words to... well, answer you... Starting now:
Way to not back up anything you say with anything but mindless rambling.
Show me hypocricy by me please. (So far you are 0 for the day.)
I didnt bring RL things to the boards btw. You guys did.
"Your parents must be proud."
P.S.: this is fun, I'm finally using constructive arguments!! woo woo, red fire truck?
you know your attempt at turning a figure of speach into a RL anything is applaudable but ridiculous.
Yes, when I express my opinion I do it in as clear and concise a manner as I can. Sometime's that is going to hurt and demean someone else. I hope I do it when it is needed to make the point, but not without reason.
I am not politically correct. I call it like I see it. I dont feel this goes against my rules.
Take for example Spacetamb's post in this thread. I am about to tear it apart using thought out arguments.
He took the road of just disagreeing with me, because it is me. Not because of anything in particular that I said. This sort of tact is not expressing his own opinions, but rather, the anti-opinion if I may.
There is nothing wrong with being clear and concise. Heck, during a discussion, this is a must. BUT, if when making your point, one has to resort to belittling, demeaning or generally being nasty to another in order to make their point either:
1) The person making their case has a poor basis for their argument and is making up for it by making off the mark remarks, or;
2) The case is valid/solid, but one is allowing emotion to cloud the case being presented.
In either case, the point of the discussion is lost and both parties leave the discussion completely ****** off and nothing has been achieved (as all parties involved at this point have probably forgotten - or don't care about - what was being discussed in the first place).
I agree with the points you make Kut. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade either. As well, there is nothing wrong with having passion for your argument/position. But when that passion becomes emotion, you have already lost the argument.
If the points are good, then how does this one post change any opinion at all that you would have about our alliance?
I live by every one of those points to the best of my ability.
Ok, Kut, I am not flaming with this post, but am completely serious. I will not make any comments about your personality or intelligence, but I will make comments about your actions. Sounds fair?
First off, I have no ill will towards your alliance. I do towards you, though. Why? Because you took a post declaring a one day event, and turned it into something so malicious, as someone trying to break another one's marriage. Now, how did you think we would react to that? Well, react we did, and we're now in a full blown war, which, frankly, we do not intend to back out of. And I am not implying anything about you backing off, ok, but I can only speak about the general attitude in our clan.
As for these points - you realize just how many threads got deleted in the last few days? You were down-right offensive and insulting in some of your posts. As was I, I admit. But how can you honestly come here and say you played nicely? That's hypocrisy, sorry.
Anyway, if you want to play nicely and actually stick to these points you made, sure, I'm actually all for it. But do not expect us to swallow and forgive.
If the points are good, then how does this one post change any opinion at all that you would have about our alliance?
I live by every one of those points to the best of my ability.
First post--yup. Then...someone flames once, you lose your self discipline and don't follow those points. You consistently make things more sarcastic, intolerant and negative than they need to be, and then you act surprised by flames and political ramifications on the server.
My opinion of your alliance used to be good. Threats to clannies, sarcasm and your thin skin has not made your alliance look good.
Just my opinion. I could certainly be wrong...the net of it is, your alliance stock is falling rapidly due to things said on these forums, and things done on Gustin even last night. Ask spoiler1.
Everytime I hear that word used, it is by someone who doesnt like the other person standing behind their beliefs. IE: "The religious right is intolerent to homosexuals."
Why are they "intolerant"? Because they have a belief and they hold to it. They dont think that person should be put to death or exiled from society, instead they stick to the idea that the choices that person makes are not allowed by their religion.
I have seen our alliance grow ally's as well since we decided to stand up for ourselves. Do you also attribute this to our attitude lately?
Lets talk about some of the things you feel make our alliance look bad:
1. Threats to clannies. Your clan and alliance attacked people in our raid party at a time you felt it was not hurting our raid. I pm'ed someone there and told him that was not acceptable and should it be done again while we were raiding, we would get involved. Do you feel you would get that same respect from any other alliance should you attack their raid party?
2. Sarcasm. Yes I am sarcastic at times. Does this mean you dont like anyone who is sarcastic or just me?
3. Thin skin. Really? I thought I did fairly well at explaining myself without getting overly out of line. You yourself suggested Salao read this post from begining to end. I suggest you do the same and tell me who was being thin skinned in it all. Or are you reffering to something else?
I think I have seen you start to condemn what I say more and more lately, although it isnt the first time we have clashed.
If my alliance has caused some waves by standing up for ourselves in your alliance, then I think you should examine why you and others felt like you could push without getting pushed back.
Because you took a post declaring a one day event, and turned it into something so malicious, as someone trying to break another one's marriage.
Your opinion is that it was made in fun. Mine and others is that it was not. We disagree and a war is on because of it. I have made my argument as to why it was not made in fun. Either way we are not discussing that because:
you realize just how many threads got deleted in the last few days? You were down-right offensive and insulting in some of your posts. As was I, I admit. But how can you honestly come here and say you played nicely? That's hypocrisy, sorry.
Those threads were not closed because of solely what I posted. I would venture to guess it was because they didnt like the direction they were going.
But do not expect us to swallow and forgive.
No one asked you to. If we didnt want this war, do you think we would have let it go that far?
The original post was not even posted because of anything anyone from SoS said. You took it to be pointed at you. Admission of guilt?
Everytime I hear that word used, it is by someone who doesnt like the other person standing behind their beliefs. IE: "The religious right is intolerent to homosexuals."
Why are they "intolerant"? Because they have a belief and they hold to it. They dont think that person should be put to death or exiled from society, instead they stick to the idea that the choices that person makes are not allowed by their religion.
I have seen our alliance grow ally's as well since we decided to stand up for ourselves. Do you also attribute this to our attitude lately?
Lets talk about some of the things you feel make our alliance look bad:
1. Threats to clannies. Your clan and alliance attacked people in our raid party at a time you felt it was not hurting our raid. I pm'ed someone there and told him that was not acceptable and should it be done again while we were raiding, we would get involved. Do you feel you would get that same respect from any other alliance should you attack their raid party?
2. Sarcasm. Yes I am sarcastic at times. Does this mean you dont like anyone who is sarcastic or just me?
3. Thin skin. Really? I thought I did fairly well at explaining myself without getting overly out of line. You yourself suggested Salao read this post from begining to end. I suggest you do the same and tell me who was being thin skinned in it all. Or are you reffering to something else?
I think I have seen you start to condemn what I say more and more lately, although it isnt the first time we have clashed.
If my alliance has caused some waves by standing up for ourselves in your alliance, then I think you should examine why you and others felt like you could push without getting pushed back.
Pretty good post, though I disagree with about half of it. I was actually a supporter of you guys, and felt your budding alliance would be good for the server--either as an ally or as an enemy.
I think you blew it.
As you know the forum is an extension of the game. It is used to improve the quality of the game play, manipulate others in game or just for the entertainment of forum discussion. Opinions are fine. Lately you have been turning more flamey when you were one person who (at one time) could be counted on to be rational. I've called that out, so you notice.
My opinion that your alliance is losing more friends than it is gaining is just that. My opinion.
If the points are good, then how does this one post change any opinion at all that you would have about our alliance?
I live by every one of those points to the best of my ability.
First post--yup. Then...someone flames once, you lose your self discipline and don't follow those points. You consistently make things more sarcastic, intolerant and negative than they need to be, and then you act surprised by flames and political ramifications on the server.
My opinion of your alliance used to be good. Threats to clannies, sarcasm and your thin skin has not made your alliance look good.
Just my opinion. I could certainly be wrong...the net of it is, your alliance stock is falling rapidly due to things said on these forums, and things done on Gustin even last night. Ask spoiler1.
choco, people repeatedly threaten our people, talk [censored] about our alliance and our people. you have continuously joined in on the republic hate train here on the forums, and yet now stand as if you are some neutral voice that never had any sort of superiroity complex...
i don't know that all of our guys are absent of a such a complex, but i can tell you salao tries to keep things reasonable and in the spirit of fun. if someone is gonna come and train our tagged guys, or steal they're rooms or w/e, sure we're gonan do somethign about it. i've watched wle spend an hour threatening a d grader with kos for picking up helmet from a red killed by wle...
we do not threaten, we warn. we warn because we realize how many people's feelings get hurt over a little pvp, even when those people asked for the pvp. we take the diplomatic route because we realize diplomacy is an inherent part of the game, and wether you know it or not, your clan/alli's record(if i am correct in assuming you are wle, since you've removed your sig for the moment) is alot grungier than our will ever be, when it comes to exerting your will on others at their expense and the use of sarcasm insults and paper thin skin.
so now we are in a war with shadowsworn, where they've made it known what "our" intention and objectives are - allegedly to run their members out of the game... tho i can assure you that is not the case. their's as i must assume from their repeated questions of how many have detagged is to drive people from our alliance. they aren't in it for the fun of it win or lose, they simply want to destroy our alliance, which is together because of a mutual repect and purpose towards fun in a video game.
a couple people have detagged due to this conflict. i know morthix of imperium, who is relatively new and may not realize it's ok to pvp against your friends detagged, but at the same time i respect his or her feelings and wish him luck in the future. i'm not sure of the other one or two(if there are in fact any more)
it's not our intention to make anyone in shawdowsworn detag. or leave the game. if i were in that clani might simply out of embarrasment but w/e.
Well its too bad you arent willing to discuss the problems you have with me Choco.
I have to tell you, I cant take your thought of me "blowing it" to heart if you dont wish to explain how exactly you feel that happens, as well as talk about some of the allegations you made, that were refuted.
If you dont feel this is the place to do it, then feel free to pm me or register on our alliance board The Republic Site (http://www.therepublicalliance.org) and we can discuss it there.
the horde that seem to enjoy making use of kut's probaly not compeltely thought out thread postings seems to be largely from shadowsworn, some of which apparently are quite emoptionally inevsted into this thing.
my personal opinion, save the debate guidelines and lecture on ad hominiems for a philosophy forum. on that note however i also respect your want to get mroe folks on your bandwagon. it seems folks don't think 4 full alliances won't be enough... oh noes.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
**** Kut, you almost made a great post here, but there are some small issues in #4. I took the liberty of highlighting the words/phrases that are objectionable.
Without attempting to flame, I would like to point out Kut, that is these types of words and phrases that are usually peppered throughout your posts that get folks upset.
You, whether you mean to or not, present your opionion/case with comments that can offend and belittle the reader. When a reader attempts to call you on your choice of words and the attitude read as per those words, your defense if often hostile and demeaning.
Anyway, good post and I agree on the spirit of the message.
ofc, then there's your website, and g4, who combined reminds me of a racially charged hbo comedy hour.
also thank you for more material for the shadowsworn's mouths in action slideshow.
being a wordsmith, i totally intend to belittle the reader. as according to the shadowsworn website:
cry me a river. if you don't like being pk'ed go play everquest (or get an infinite supply of bsoe's, or just hang out in the arena 24/7)
Do not quote my site and add your own words to the quote and attempt to pass it off "as according to the ShadowSworn website". Whatever is behind this attempt, be it sarcasm, humor or insult, it is feeble at best.
The quote, is in regard to no one person in particular, but is a statement intended to explain our usage of the term "Cry me a river".
It is a general statement directed at people who play a PvP game and yet refuse to PvP and/or cry like babies about being killed in a PvP battle.
For anyone who isn't aware, Inch (we call him 10 Inch in $ chat) is the man.
Thank you, come again.
Dear Bigs.
You are a bigger carebear than even, um, ME!
--Choc
hehe
No my friend, read my siggee, it should tell you alot about how I feel about wars.
Let's take this thing between SoS and Republic as a prime example.
It is a war that actually has no end in sight, other than if one or the other disbands. Truely, either side could end it with an apology to the other side, since both sides feel they are in the right and the other is in the wrong, but knowing the GIGANTIC EGOS that are on both sides, I'd say we have a better chance of looking out the window to see satan go ice skating by.
IMO that is not a smart war to be in. Especially considering both sides have shown a significant amount of resilience over the long term. ie - neither is likely to implode from this war, so I assume that thing is going to go on for a very long time.
Now if they were fighting for some other reason, something tangible, something where one side or the other could actually declare victory, then IMO that is a war worth fighting. You gain something from it. IMO it is one of the shortcomings of this game, we fight each other, but there's really nothing obvious to be gained by it.
The truth is, if you consider yourself to be a competitor of either Republic or SoS, then you are the one who gains from them fighting over some words they had. Why? Because these fools are going to waste time, adena, and XP fighting over who was right and who was wrong. Meanwhile, their enemies, and/or future enemies grow stronger.
Beyond all of that, I am the type of leader who shuts my emotions off when I make a decision for my clan and alliance. I might really dislike someone, but I'm going to do my best to not take that into account when I make my decisions. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your *** all the way though, certainly the feelings I have towards someone or some clan will come into play at certain times, but I would not let my dislike be my only reason for going to war. Nor would I let that same dislike cloud my judgement.
Ya know.. come to think of it..
I'm a Carebear. :)
Can I be the blue one, what's his name again?
re: spacetamb -you're right i don't know what happened last night. otherwise samon has been ever so helpful. remember looselips cost lives!
i mean you guys keep on bringing up how many people have detagged . everytime i see samon in arena, every time you're 9 man rolls a four man. it's the same old song.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
**** Kut, you almost made a great post here, but there are some small issues in #4. I took the liberty of highlighting the words/phrases that are objectionable.
Without attempting to flame, I would like to point out Kut, that is these types of words and phrases that are usually peppered throughout your posts that get folks upset.
You, whether you mean to or not, present your opionion/case with comments that can offend and belittle the reader. When a reader attempts to call you on your choice of words and the attitude read as per those words, your defense if often hostile and demeaning.
Anyway, good post and I agree on the spirit of the message.
ofc, then there's your website, and g4, who combined reminds me of a racially charged hbo comedy hour.
also thank you for more material for the shadowsworn's mouths in action slideshow.
being a wordsmith, i totally intend to belittle the reader. as according to the shadowsworn website:
cry me a river. if you don't like being pk'ed go play everquest (or get an infinite supply of bsoe's, or just hang out in the arena 24/7)
Do not quote my site and add your own words to the quote and attempt to pass it off "as according to the ShadowSworn website". Whatever is behind this attempt, be it sarcasm, humor or insult, it is feeble at best.
The quote, is in regard to no one person in particular, but is a statement intended to explain our usage of the term "Cry me a river".
It is a general statement directed at people who play a PvP game and yet refuse to PvP and/or cry like babies about being killed in a PvP battle.
and that's why it's sucha great tag line for the shadowsworn mouth-a-thon slidewhow i'm making. you're guys cry alot in game and out of game and then say it's us crying. but we're not. odd as that is. win or lose, pvp is fun.
Well its too bad you arent willing to discuss the problems you have with me Choco.
I have to tell you, I cant take your thought of me "blowing it" to heart if you dont wish to explain how exactly you feel that happens, as well as talk about some of the allegations you made, that were refuted.
If you dont feel this is the place to do it, then feel free to pm me or register on our alliance board The Republic Site (http://www.therepublicalliance.org) and we can discuss it there.
I hear ya, but I don't have anything against you.
I basically stated what was bothering me about the way you guys are playing and talking. Just because you refuted my opinion doesn't change the facts, or my opinion.
I think pretty well of Salao and many in your alliance (and I pm'd him last night about an offensive title on one of your allies)...I can keep saying that I think you guys had a bunch of public relations gaffs, but you'll just keep typing the last word. I'm ok with that; it's just my opinion.
on that note however i also respect your want to get mroe folks on your bandwagon. it seems folks don't think 4 full alliances won't be enough... oh noes.
Dude, don't cry if kut's obnoxious attitude has made you enemies. Also, is that you using a round about way to say, dare I say it, we're "zerging" you?
I think we've proven our ability to fight you, you said it yourself.
Besides: didn't you say I'm only making an *** out of myself? Are you afraid a zerg of [censored] will end you? (pun intended) :o
bigs, i hear ya, and personally i wouldn't mind seeing daya apolgize and kut apoligze for both of their alleged sleights to the other party, in order to get this war on track as the fun thing a video game war should be. it kinda takes the joy out of a good fight when your "gf" is met by "here's soem tissues", "how many have detagged now", etc.
further i assure you the republic decision to war sos wasn't due to some emotional thing or kut's insistance. every clan leader was consulted ahead of time and asked to consult their people.
and that's why it's sucha great tag line for the shadowsworn mouth-a-thon slidewhow i'm making. you're guys cry alot in game and out of game and then say it's us crying. but we're not. odd as that is. win or lose, pvp is fun.
Can't wait to see it. It will be interesting to see your PS skills.
For anyone who isn't aware, Inch (we call him 10 Inch in $ chat) is the man.
Thank you, come again.
Dear Bigs.
You are a bigger carebear than even, um, ME!
--Choc
hehe
No my friend, read my siggee, it should tell you alot about how I feel about wars.
Let's take this thing between SoS and Republic as a prime example.
It is a war that actually has no end in sight, other than if one or the other disbands. Truely, either side could end it with an apology to the other side, since both sides feel they are in the right and the other is in the wrong, but knowing the GIGANTIC EGOS that are on both sides, I'd say we have a better chance of looking out the window to see satan go ice skating by.
IMO that is not a smart war to be in. Especially considering both sides have shown a significant amount of resilience over the long term. ie - neither is likely to implode from this war, so I assume that thing is going to go on for a very long time.
Now if they were fighting for some other reason, something tangible, something where one side or the other could actually declare victory, then IMO that is a war worth fighting. You gain something from it. IMO it is one of the shortcomings of this game, we fight each other, but there's really nothing obvious to be gained by it.
The truth is, if you consider yourself to be a competitor of either Republic or SoS, then you are the one who gains from them fighting over some words they had. Why? Because these fools are going to waste time, adena, and XP fighting over who was right and who was wrong. Meanwhile, their enemies, and/or future enemies grow stronger.
Beyond all of that, I am the type of leader who shuts my emotions off when I make a decision for my clan and alliance. I might really dislike someone, but I'm going to do my best to not take that into account when I make my decisions. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your *** all the way though, certainly the feelings I have towards someone or some clan will come into play at certain times, but I would not let my dislike be my only reason for going to war. Nor would I let that same dislike cloud my judgement.
Ya know.. come to think of it..
I'm a Carebear. :)
Can I be the blue one, what's his name again?
You CAN be the blue one. I want to be the purple teletubby.
BTW--perhaps you are on to something in that last post...perhaps there is a more sinister plot. Perhaps someone is choreographing something else on the server? Perhaps we should consider who would benefit from the war?
Let's call Michael Moore! It's Gustin 9/11!
Nah. No-one one is thinking that far ahead...are they?
on that note however i also respect your want to get mroe folks on your bandwagon. it seems folks don't think 4 full alliances won't be enough... oh noes.
Dude, don't cry if kut's obnoxious attitude has made you enemies. Also, is that you using a round about way to say, dare I say it, we're "zerging" you?
I think we've proven our ability to fight you, you said it yourself.
Besides: didn't you say I'm only making an *** out of myself? Are you afraid a zerg of [censored] will end you? (pun intended) :o
lol wasn't talking to you kid. i knwo the difference between a zerg and not a zerg... i was trying to hint at somethign that you just confirmed. thx.
I basically stated what was bothering me about the way you guys are playing and talking. Just because you refuted my opinion doesn't change the facts, or my opinion.
Understood. My point in refuting that was to show you where we are coming from in those instances.
Seeing it from our side I dont see that we made the wrong decision.
A lot of the "gaffes" as you call them happened when we started doing 3 things as I see it:
1. Sieging
2. Sticking up for ourselves
3. Not playing the "we are neutral so we will let people walk on us" card.
In my mind I cant help but think there may be a relation between you seeing "public relation" gaffes and us stepping on some toes to protect ourselves.
i mean you guys keep on bringing up how many people have detagged . everytime i see samon in arena, every time you're 9 man rolls a four man. it's the same old song.
Check his tags again. Also, I'm sorry you can't organize better resistence than 4 people. Oh wait, you can, doesn't help... Same old song...
and that's why it's sucha great tag line for the shadowsworn mouth-a-thon slidewhow i'm making. you're guys cry alot in game and out of game and then say it's us crying. but we're not. odd as that is. win or lose, pvp is fun.
Oh feel free. Maybe we should make a collage of people from Republic asking us to not kill them? Here's a *** for your tat... :p
For anyone who isn't aware, Inch (we call him 10 Inch in $ chat) is the man.
Thank you, come again.
Dear Bigs.
You are a bigger carebear than even, um, ME!
--Choc
hehe
No my friend, read my siggee, it should tell you alot about how I feel about wars.
Let's take this thing between SoS and Republic as a prime example.
It is a war that actually has no end in sight, other than if one or the other disbands. Truely, either side could end it with an apology to the other side, since both sides feel they are in the right and the other is in the wrong, but knowing the GIGANTIC EGOS that are on both sides, I'd say we have a better chance of looking out the window to see satan go ice skating by.
IMO that is not a smart war to be in. Especially considering both sides have shown a significant amount of resilience over the long term. ie - neither is likely to implode from this war, so I assume that thing is going to go on for a very long time.
Now if they were fighting for some other reason, something tangible, something where one side or the other could actually declare victory, then IMO that is a war worth fighting. You gain something from it. IMO it is one of the shortcomings of this game, we fight each other, but there's really nothing obvious to be gained by it.
The truth is, if you consider yourself to be a competitor of either Republic or SoS, then you are the one who gains from them fighting over some words they had. Why? Because these fools are going to waste time, adena, and XP fighting over who was right and who was wrong. Meanwhile, their enemies, and/or future enemies grow stronger.
Beyond all of that, I am the type of leader who shuts my emotions off when I make a decision for my clan and alliance. I might really dislike someone, but I'm going to do my best to not take that into account when I make my decisions. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your *** all the way though, certainly the feelings I have towards someone or some clan will come into play at certain times, but I would not let my dislike be my only reason for going to war. Nor would I let that same dislike cloud my judgement.
Ya know.. come to think of it..
I'm a Carebear. :)
Can I be the blue one, what's his name again?
You CAN be the blue one. I want to be the purple teletubby.
BTW--perhaps you are on to something in that last post...perhaps there is a more sinister plot. Perhaps someone is choreographing something else on the server? Perhaps we should consider who would benefit from the war?
Let's call Michael Moore! It's Gustin 9/11!
Nah. No-one one is thinking that far ahead...are they?
No doubt, certain people on this server who started this type of thing, I would chalk it up to sheer stupidity.
In this case though, I have a high level of respect for both sides, so I have trouble buying the "It was a joke and they're turning it into a war." line.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
I basically stated what was bothering me about the way you guys are playing and talking. Just because you refuted my opinion doesn't change the facts, or my opinion.
Understood. My point in refuting that was to show you where we are coming from in those instances.
Seeing it from our side I dont see that we made the wrong decision.
A lot of the "gaffes" as you call them happened when we started doing 3 things as I see it:
1. Sieging
2. Sticking up for ourselves
3. Not playing the "we are neutral so we will let people walk on us" card.
In my mind I cant help but think there may be a relation between you seeing "public relation" gaffes and us stepping on some toes to protect ourselves.
/agree. i need to find gur_ hwatver his name's post about this is just a game again.
re:daya, get in game and actually particpate in teh war and you can see for yourself... that is if shadowsworn ever leaves the arena again. to my knowledge, none have been seen outside in sometime...
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
Talking about plot, Am I the only one to think that the "Valentine day Massacre" thing would have turn in a full War even without the flame in the thread?
I can already see it, a Party of SoS find some people from Republic kill them saying "Haha, happy Valentine Day losers". Now Republic wanting to retaliate probably make more than 1 party, find the people from SoS and gank them.
The next thing you would see is a post here from SoS saying "It was only a fun event, but Republic had to zerg us, now it's war and it's all your fault! Also, kut suck."
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
Talking about plot, Am I the only one to think that the "Valentine day Massacre" thing would have turn in a full War even without the flame in the thread?
I can already see it, a Party of SoS find some people from Republic kill them saying "Haha, happy Valentine Day losers". Now Republic wanting to retaliate probably make more than 1 party, find the people from SoS and gank them.
The next thing you would see is a post here from SoS saying "It was only a fun event, but Republic had to zerg us, now it's war and it's all your fault! Also, kut suck."
rofl.. no you're not the only one.
I read that Valentine's post when there was maybe 1 post after it, and yeah, I knew exactly where that path was going to lead.
Yeah, you got me. I wasnt there at all, it was actually my wife playing. See how hard you make it not to flame you when you say stuff like this.
I still dont know who you are...
OMG, you say you do, but you really don't get me. I AM trying to tease, ridicule, mock, maybe even insult you. Get it now? Cos you do that simply by opening your mouth.
Oh, and no matter how many times you use the "I am rubber, you are glue" metaphorical spin-offs, I still think you're a tool.
And if the moderators think I'm crossing the line, so be it.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
Talking about plot, Am I the only one to think that the "Valentine day Massacre" thing would have turn in a full War even without the flame in the thread?
I can already see it, a Party of SoS find some people from Republic kill them saying "Haha, happy Valentine Day losers". Now Republic wanting to retaliate probably make more than 1 party, find the people from SoS and gank them.
The next thing you would see is a post here from SoS saying "It was only a fun event, but Republic had to zerg us, now it's war and it's all your fault! Also, kut suck."
rofl.. no you're not the only one.
I read that Valentine's post when there was maybe 1 post after it, and yeah, I knew exactly where that path was going to lead.
Ok, Kut, I am not flaming with this post, but am completely serious. I will not make any comments about your personality or intelligence, but I will make comments about your actions. Sounds fair?
And with that post I did not. And your reply? Some sarcastic response about me feeling guilty.
And now you bring me trying to be straight with you to mock me? Yup, the first diagnosis was correct. Mr. Kutfungus is suffering from tool-syndrom.
Wow, Im really seeing what Choco was talking about now.
Why wouldnt people think I am out of line for responding to such comedic gold as what we are seeing here?
Can I get some more name jokes please, those ones make you look so much more mature.
Im going to quit replying to you know, as this post was not designed to be a back and forth between us. Although you have served to ammuse me all afternoon, I feel the padlock coming of we continue, and my original point is still one I like to have out there.
You however can continue if you like, you are doing your alliance a huge service here.
As for the service to my alliance: I am actually the court jester. The queen herself would like to extend her royal gratitude for an ammusing day. :eek:
Btw, I spit in my hand, mwahahaha, I am such a *****. :cool:
1. Threats to clannies. Your clan and alliance attacked people in our raid party at a time you felt it was not hurting our raid. I pm'ed someone there and told him that was not acceptable and should it be done again while we were raiding, we would get involved. Do you feel you would get that same respect from any other alliance should you attack their raid party?
I was the one who you pmed. The thing is I never had any ill feelings towards your alliance and have lots of respect for Salao . You on the other hand are a different story.
The raid boss was at 1/4 hp and was regaining back hp, people were dead so basically it was a failed Raid for us unless you was going to solo that one by yourself. We did NOT endanger you guys for we didn’t attack mid fight. After we took our business we had some talks in our group that it may have not been a good thing what we did. However your diplomacy or better yet the lack of it in your pm's towards me is what made me dislike you towards the point that if you ever showed aggression in my vicinity I would do anything in my power to drop you no matter the odds. We had a good talk with Salao and kudos to him how he handled the situation. You could learn a thing or 2 from him IMO which may help you not to gain bad reputation in the eyes of others.
These are my point of view and are my opinions on the matter.
We rezzed everyone and took the boss down. Our raid was not over.
There is a reason Salao is the alliance leader, you arent telling me anything new.
I dont feel the need to be diplomatic to someone who is going to pull that disrespectful of a move towards our alliance. You were taking advantage of our wish to be on good terms with you guys.
The fact that you guys talked in party that it wasnt a good idea, immediatly after doing, it says my thoughts were right.
Salao on the other hand, felt different and he is the alliance leader, so he has the final say.
If you feel me pming you and telling you to not come back and try to kill people in our raid party while we are raiding or we will step in, was out of line.
Then how do you feel about your response of "What are you going to do about it if we do?"
I can see why your alliance doesnt appreciate the way I handled the situation based on what you are trying to make it look like I said. To bad I was telling everyone at the raid exactly what I was saying when I said it. So Salao knew what was going on.
As for the service to my alliance: I am actually the court jester. The queen herself would like to extend her royal gratitude for an ammusing day. :eek:
Btw, I spit in my hand, mwahahaha, I am such a *****. :cool:
Tamb, you are such a bad cat! lol.
Anyway, if anyone sees Satan ice skating by, let him know that I am looking for him and he is late on his payments.
Like I said maybe our actions may have not good back then but your attitude in your pm is what made me ******. Again this is my opinion on the matter.
The fact that you guys talked in party that it wasnt a good idea, immediatly after doing, it says my thoughts were right.
Where do you see that i stated we talked that this wasnt a good thing immidiatly after the fight. I should have stated it but it was after our conversation with Salao. He made good points which made some of us regret unlike you.
Then how do you feel about your response of "What are you going to do about it if we do?"
OMG pls show me where I said that. PLS do while I have that conversations with you screenshotted in front of me and yet I dont see any place where I stated that Kut.
kkthxbye
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
Talking about plot, Am I the only one to think that the "Valentine day Massacre" thing would have turn in a full War even without the flame in the thread?
I can already see it, a Party of SoS find some people from Republic kill them saying "Haha, happy Valentine Day losers". Now Republic wanting to retaliate probably make more than 1 party, find the people from SoS and gank them.
The next thing you would see is a post here from SoS saying "It was only a fun event, but Republic had to zerg us, now it's war and it's all your fault! Also, kut suck."
to bad that you didnt understand the concept of it SoS wasnt going to participate in that 1 war it was between 2 ppl for a day but i was so bad to that leader so he came to the forums and treat everyone in the worst way posible.
most of the Shadowsworn alliance understood that to bad he didint. And to bad that the posts were deleted for everyone to see the so Kut is the man and SoS are the bad guys.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a plot, thought I do respect that there are people playing this game who do think at a high enough level to get something like this going.
Talking about plot, Am I the only one to think that the "Valentine day Massacre" thing would have turn in a full War even without the flame in the thread?
I can already see it, a Party of SoS find some people from Republic kill them saying "Haha, happy Valentine Day losers". Now Republic wanting to retaliate probably make more than 1 party, find the people from SoS and gank them.
The next thing you would see is a post here from SoS saying "It was only a fun event, but Republic had to zerg us, now it's war and it's all your fault! Also, kut suck."
to bad that you didnt understand the concept of it SoS wasnt going to participate in that 1 war it was between 2 ppl for a day but i was so bad to that leader so he came to the forums and treat everyone in the worst way posible.
most of the Shadowsworn alliance understood that to bad he didint. And to bad that the posts were deleted for everyone to see the so Kut is the man and SoS are the bad guys.
Hmmm, I'm not even sure what your talking about, but here it is anyway. By the way, I read all the treads about this since day 1 last week, it was a boring week at work, nothing more to do then read forum.
1 : The Valentine Days Massacre was at first between darkhorse (I think) and is wife. Him in SoS, her in Republic.
2 : Daya, the leader of darkhorse clan said quite clearly, in a post here that is now erased, that this year it was not only darkhorse and his wife that were involved but both their clans.
3 : Now since 2 clans were involved, not just 2 members from both clans, the 2 alliance were involved. I mean what kind of alliance don't step up for their clans?
4 : Judging from the posts from both sides on this forum, I'm pretty sure it would have happened close to the way I described it. But even that isn't important, the point I was trying to make was that this "fun event" would have left bad feelings from both sides. "You killed me!" "No, you started it!" etc... even if one side of the other had started it, the outcome would have been the same. Mind you, the war probably wouldn't have started immediately, but it would only have been a question of time.
Actually, there was a Valentines Day event between SoS and Hibernian last year. It started out with Darkhorse killing QueenAlba/DarkDiva. It escalated to involving more people including myself and Beliar. It was crazy fun.
So yeah, this year we decided to do it a little differently and even in my subsequent Vent Conversations with Salao, Salao himself said that he found the whole thing quite funny and said that we could go ahead with the SoS vs Hibernian thing and that the rest of Republic would not get involved.
But then Kutfarcus got into the mix and insulted Darkhorse with rude and untrue comments about his real life marriage and it has all gone downhill from there.
Salao himself said in Vent that Kutfarcus was out of line with his comments and owed Darkhorse an apology.
Anyway, cest la vie. These things are part of the game and we will deal with it as best we can.
Actually, there was a Valentines Day event between SoS and Hibernian last year. It started out with Darkhorse killing QueenAlba/DarkDiva. It escalated to involving more people including myself and Beliar. It was crazy fun.
So yeah, this year we decided to do it a little differently and even in my subsequent Vent Conversations with Salao, Salao himself said that he found the whole thing quite funny and said that we could go ahead with the SoS vs Hibernian thing and that the rest of Republic would not get involved.
But then Kutfarcus got into the mix and insulted Darkhorse with rude and untrue comments about his real life marriage and it has all gone downhill from there.
Salao himself said in Vent that Kutfarcus was out of line with his comments and owed Darkhorse an apology.
Anyway, cest la vie. These things are part of the game and we will deal with it as best we can.
See, that's actually the kind of informative posts that should have been made at the start of all this instead of just both sides flaming each others.
Yes kut thought that there was something more, but instead of using the "kut suck" argument and flaming him immediately, maybe trying to explain things would have been better. Not to mention that using the post "Your parents must be proud of you" as a base for all this is in my opinion a big overreacting.
In my opinion, they were wrong from both sides, (and this is only my opinion, fell free to disagree)1, Daya should have wait to talk with Salao before making the post here, if Salao had explain things to his side before, thing probably wouldn't have go out of line. 2, kutjr should have stopped posting about it before thing got out of hand, I know he was trying to do the good thing, protecting a clan mate who wasn't posting here (that's why I have a lot of respect for him), wether he was right or wrong he should have stop and consult his leader. 3, Other people that got involved made mathers worse, and I'm sorry to say, it was mostly SoS members, Grinin post were pretty tame, but spacetamb posts made me see SoS in a bad way (and there was also others from SoS, but I don't remember their names). You say kut is responsable for the war because of what he said, I say be really carefull of what your own members say on forum. They may bring you trouble too.
kutjr should have stopped posting about it before thing got out of hand, I know he was trying to do the good thing, protecting a clan mate who wasn't posting here (that's why I have a lot of respect for him), wether he was right or wrong he should have stop and consult his leader.
How do you justify insulting someone with comments about his marriage? Over a game? I know the popular excuse nowadays is "she did it first", but did anyone actually read the post?
Now, stay with me on this one, you go from calling someone pathetic, another one a bad husband and whatnot (paraphrasing I know), yet another one a marriage breaker, to this:
Couple tips about opinions:
1. Having one does not make you right.
2. Arguing your opinion does not make you wrong.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
Do you not see the irony?
Oh and it's funny how you should mention my name, seeing as how I did not even get involved about 8 pages in, after the [censored] has already been flung all over the thread.
p.s.: Sorry kut, I couldn't stay away, I got the shakes and all. I am weak... :(
My getting involved in any way shape or form, was only after a conversation between myself and DarkDiva, where she made it very clear how she felt about this whole thing. I did not say anything personal about Darkhorse until I was attacked by Midge and the gang. Your motives were made clear at that point, so I blew it wide open.
Either way, blame it on me if you will, you can rest assured the war was not started without the expressed consent of our alliance leadership. You were looking for an excuse and we all knew it, now we have some fun.
I think it is you that needs to stay with us Space. The fact that I dont agree with what people say and will return ***-for-tat flames, in no way breaks any of the rules I stated. Nowhere in there did I say I had to sit back and shut up while being attacked on these boards, because someone elses opinion was that I suck.
You seem to think what I wrote means arguments are not possible.
This only works of course if you have a point, and are not just arguing because you dont like the person.
Where do you see that i stated we talked that this wasnt a good thing immidiatly after the fight.
After we took our business we had some talks in our group that it may have not been a good thing what we did.
Then how do you feel about your response of "What are you going to do about it if we do?"
I can look to see if I have the convo screenshotted when I get home. Why dont you go ahead and send me the ones you have or post them so we can see how it went. If you need a place to host it, post them on our alliance site.
You seem to be saying a lot about what I said and how I said it as being the basis for your anger towards me, now you are saying you have the screenshots of what I said. So please post them and let's see what was really said.
Im sure many would be surprised at what you see as me being "out of line."
As I already stated, I was not trying to be "diplomatic." Your act was enough in my mind for us to react, Salao chose not to. That's his call to make. However, if you had come back for round two, it was a different story, which is what I was telling you.
Where do you see that i stated we talked that this wasnt a good thing immidiatly after the fight.
Sweet of you not to quote the whole thing. Here let me do it for you.
Where do you see that i stated we talked that this wasnt a good thing immidiatly after the fight. I should have stated it but it was after our conversation with Salao. He made good points which made some of us regret unlike you.
Like I said after our talks with Salao we could see his point of view on this. But still he didnt act tought against 1 party unlike you did. We did what we what we had to do at the current situation. Can you blame us for trying to do this while you guys also were at war numberous times? Some of my parties were ruined by the war you guys had back in the days. Some of us even ended eating dirt because of this war. So what makes us warring different then your wars?
Then how do you feel about your response of "What are you going to do about it if we do?"
I see bad days for Farmers. they aren't selling anything these days. They will disban RollsRoyce and Lightsword soon. <<<<-----This is my oppinion .
we were almost completely rezzed up when you guys rolled in. kut warned yall, maybe in a tough way, but as shown by your screenshot, nothing to get anyone's back up.
Hmmm. I still know what this thread is about. There are several themes, and apparently some unresolved issues drifting through the thread.
Aldemir is rightfully ****** at Kut.
Kut is almost (but not really cuz we were at war with Koga :) ) rightfully ****** at Aldemir.
The Darkhorse/DD/Daya/everyone else thing has everyone irritated for different reasons.
A nice looking dutch skater won gold at Turino.
Cheney shot his friend in, what can only be described as, his face.
Kamisama is ****** at no-one but jumps in with (sometimes clever) quips when he feels like it
Grinin does a better brand of heroin than Spacetomb, who claims Kut knows who he is but Kut not entirely sure.
The original, mostly useful, original post by Kut was obscured by people getting ****** by the possible condescension of a couple of the lines. (i personally was not offended)
Bighands continues to be even a bigger carebear than me, though tries to cover up. Blue Carebear is still more carebear than the purple Teletubby.
The real reason that this, and some other threads like it have held on so long is: (multiple choice)
1. Many of us get bored at work
2. We like to argue
3. The puppetmaster believes that having lots of folks arguing with Republic people helps with some agenda, which is obscure to the forum populace
4. See #1
5. Everyone really wants to [censored] about how many hours it takes to level in this game, but we can't do anything about it, so we [censored] at each other instead.
Does that clarify it for ya Bigs? :cool:
--El Choco Grande
6x SH NoobCaster
ClanInfinity
Tsin's Alliance of People and Rodents (no churchmouse, Mew is not a Kat, it's an rodent)
Where do you see that i stated we talked that this wasnt a good thing immidiatly after the fight.
Sweet of you not to quote the whole thing. Here let me do it for you.
Actually I quoted your question and then answered it with the quote you were asking for from yourself. Your quote is later, when you tried to clarify by insinuating it is what you had said all along, and it is not.
Can you blame us for trying to do this while you guys also were at war numberous times? Some of my parties were ruined by the war you guys had back in the days. Some of us even ended eating dirt because of this war. So what makes us warring different then your wars?
I have no idea what you are referring to, so I cant answer your question.
2. You are finding out that as a neutral, lots of folks pick on each other. When we were in PF and you were buddies with NM, most people left you alone because most people didn't want trouble with NM. This is life as a neutral--get used to it. Lots of stuff happens.
dude, step back bro. i've been talked to far worse and know others have as well by members of annihilation and wle.
not to talk smack about those alliances, but gj on teh double standard and the pretense of hurt feelings over what amounts to peanuts in the day to day communications of l2.
instead of talking or warning or w/e, could've very well skipped talking and rolled on yall, but that is not how we are, and efforts to paint us as the bullies you want to be is silly.
the difference between the nm situation and us is well... pretty obvious... nm would've just rolled on yall i have very little doubt. we don't pick on people. we back our people up and defend ourselves. when someone interferes with our raid group it is in our interest to protect that raid group.
given your admitance that your thought better of it after, you obviously felt at some point it was the wrong thing to do, so why argue over it except to somehow make my alliance or kut look bad?
Actually, the raid boss took out our tank and then killed a party or two of DD's. The rest of us logged in and out.
We were rezzing and rebuffing to finish it when they came in and killed the Koga guys that were with us.
I grabbed the nearest name I saw and pm'ed him that. Our guys were really jumpy and upset at them doing this, and them coming back would have meant a full out pvp.
Actually, the raid boss took out our tank and then killed a party or two of DD's. The rest of us logged in and out.
We were rezzing and rebuffing to finish it when they came in and killed the Koga guys that were with us.
I grabbed the nearest name I saw and pm'ed him that. Our guys were really jumpy and upset at them doing this, and them coming back would have meant a full out pvp.
I think I'm belligerant also, because I have sent pm's to people that are nearly word for word to what you said in that screenie.
I have to agree that there are several alliances that would have never sent any warning whatsoever and would have just proceeded straight to the whooping portion of the evening.
People always get a little skittish when there are other peeps around while doing RB's. I'm not sure how someone could think that jumping in and ganking half of a raid party after they just got spanked by the boss would result in anything less.
That was a stupid decision by whoever was leading the gank party in the first place. So who was it? cmon now, fess up...
If you think that is beligerent, then I can see why you dont like me.
"Tell your alliance this is their warning."
"next time you drop people that are raiding with us, we will join in"
Oh yeah. Clearly out of line.
How many alliances do you think would have even gone that far?
You seem to be mistaking us not wanting to be involved in the NM vs M fight as us not wanting to fight at all. You are wrong.
1. I still deserve my scooby-snack for that other post.
2. Beligerance is in the eye of the beholder. To me (in my opinion) it was totally beligerant, just as (to you) our whacking Koga in our gank war with them was beligerant to you. If Aldemir or anyone thought it was an affront to you, they wouldn't have done it, as we were all at peace. Still are, actually. You clarified your position: no problem. You started bullying and threatening: Problem.
3. You misunderstand re: NM. We know you fought during that time. What I was saying was that during your allignment with NM, most clans were unlikely to get near you, so you didn't get much attention. People didn't want to attack your castle--except for powers alligned with M. Now you are an unprotected target like the rest of us, and there is much greater complexity to alliances, friendships, wars and diplomacy.
4. The puppetmaster or more likely puppetmasters are the people who benefit when this long negative discussions take place on the forums. It hurts your relationships with other alliances, your credibility as a 'nice guy' and probably your recruiting. Who would benefit from that? Hint: it's not me.
Actually, the raid boss took out our tank and then killed a party or two of DD's. The rest of us logged in and out.
We were rezzing and rebuffing to finish it when they came in and killed the Koga guys that were with us.
I grabbed the nearest name I saw and pm'ed him that. Our guys were really jumpy and upset at them doing this, and them coming back would have meant a full out pvp.
I think I'm belligerant also, because I have sent pm's to people that are nearly word for word to what you said in that screenie.
I have to agree that there are several alliances that would have never sent any warning whatsoever and would have just proceeded straight to the whooping portion of the evening.
People always get a little skittish when there are other peeps around while doing RB's. I'm not sure how someone could think that jumping in and ganking half of a raid party after they just got spanked by the boss would result in anything less.
That was a stupid decision by whoever was leading the gank party in the first place. So who was it? cmon now, fess up...
Bah, you've never said anything remotely that beligerant. You're a carebear like me. And if you disagree with me again, I shall kill you.
Bah all your posts are confusing me! Anways, my 2 cents. If you decide to do raid bosses with clans that have ongoing wars with other clans its at your risk. I think warring clans have the right to decide when and where they want to kill the enemy. Just like you have the right to decide if you want to step in and help the clans that are getting attacked during your raid. Basically you have to decide in a hurry whether or not you wish to get yourself involved in another clans quarrels. You roll the dice.
Actually, the raid boss took out our tank and then killed a party or two of DD's. The rest of us logged in and out.
We were rezzing and rebuffing to finish it when they came in and killed the Koga guys that were with us.
I grabbed the nearest name I saw and pm'ed him that. Our guys were really jumpy and upset at them doing this, and them coming back would have meant a full out pvp.
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us , but seems the mobs killed yall and koga for when yall all ported in we waited 5 minutes , then smoked yall only taking maybe 4 deaths , was very fun seeing how we looked bad outnumberd , and ya its a vid fraps of it somewhere floating around , any way nice fight kut.actully was not bad outnumbed just prob seemd that way , maybe just outnumberd is a better statement
Bah all your posts are confusing me! Anways, my 2 cents. If you decide to do raid bosses with clans that have ongoing wars with other clans its at your risk. I think warring clans have the right to decide when and where they want to kill the enemy. Just like you have the right to decide if you want to step in and help the clans that are getting attacked during your raid. Basically you have to decide in a hurry whether or not you wish to get yourself involved in another clans quarrels. You roll the dice.
Absolutly Licken. I thought I was taking the nice path and warning them to stay away.
I didnt threaten anything until he said "I am telling you."
That was taken as a threat to us, being as what you had just done was an outright invitation for us to fight. And now he was going to "Tell" us how it was going to be from there on.
You keep hinting that we are digging our own grave Choco by standing up for ourselves. I have been in this circle long enough to know the opposite is true. If you dont fight back, you'll get run over.
Actually, the raid boss took out our tank and then killed a party or two of DD's. The rest of us logged in and out.
We were rezzing and rebuffing to finish it when they came in and killed the Koga guys that were with us.
I grabbed the nearest name I saw and pm'ed him that. Our guys were really jumpy and upset at them doing this, and them coming back would have meant a full out pvp.
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us , but seems the mobs killed yall and koga for when yall all ported in we waited 5 minutes , then smoked yall only taking maybe 4 deaths , was very fun seeing how we looked bad outnumberd , and ya its a vid fraps of it somewhere floating around , any way nice fight kut.actully was not bad outnumbed just prob seemd that way , maybe just outnumberd is a better statement
There was hardly any Republic people at this event at all. Really though, if you want to discuss it, you should start a whole new thread for it.
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us ,
You are comparing this situation to us coming to a siege that Koga had signed up for?
Not even close. If you guys are doing Nurka or Bandit Stronghold, do you expect others to not show up?
I like how you drop hints that you were outnumbered at DC. Look at that fraps again. Republic had 1 1/2-2 parties there.
rep , koda , guardians , whoever yall was all fighting us, ya bighands iam not in no way comparing siege to raid, but the part where yall was fighting raid and we was fighting npc was all i was comparing, and ill post where ever the [censored] i want to, and start a new tread where i want to ok.
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us ,
You are comparing this situation to us coming to a siege that Koga had signed up for?
Not even close. If you guys are doing Nurka or Bandit Stronghold, do you expect others to not show up?
I like how you drop hints that you were outnumbered at DC. Look at that fraps again. Republic had 1 1/2-2 parties there.
rep , koda , guardians , whoever yall was all fighting us, ya bighands iam not in no way comparing siege to raid, but the part where yall was fighting raid and we was fighting npc was all i was comparing, and ill post where ever the [censored] i want to, and start a new tread where i want to ok.
ill say again head up no npc fighting or raid fighting and outnumberd you got smokedddd , now
Absolutly Licken. I thought I was taking the nice path and warning them to stay away.
I didnt threaten anything until he said "I am telling you."
That was taken as a threat to us, being as what you had just done was an outright invitation for us to fight. And now he was going to "Tell" us how it was going to be from there on.
You keep hinting that we are digging our own grave Choco by standing up for ourselves. I have been in this circle long enough to know the opposite is true. If you dont fight back, you'll get run over.
I don't think I'm hinting...I think I am saying. There have been 5 huge threads, totally more than 600 replies, with 7 different alliances inputting.
In all of them, you and a couple of people from Republic have been arguing against anyone who would argue back. It's bad press. Yes, I think you are helping your competitors out.
This is true but sometimes you also got to pick your battles. Like old Kenny says "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run."
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us ,
You are comparing this situation to us coming to a siege that Koga had signed up for?
Not even close. If you guys are doing Nurka or Bandit Stronghold, do you expect others to not show up?
I like how you drop hints that you were outnumbered at DC. Look at that fraps again. Republic had 1 1/2-2 parties there.
rep , koda , guardians , whoever yall was all fighting us, ya bighands iam not in no way comparing siege to raid, but the part where yall was fighting raid and we was fighting npc was all i was comparing, and ill post where ever the [censored] i want to, and start a new tread where i want to ok.
ill say again head up no npc fighting or raid fighting and outnumberd you got smokedddd , now
You weren't fighting NPC's when we rolled you inside the castle. As I recall, we stopped and looked at you, and you guys attacked us first.
Then we killed a couple groups of NPC's - a bunch of archers, then we got smoked because some moron pulled all those Dark Lords, it was kind of funny actually.
Then, someone made the call to port back out before buffing, as I understand it they were under the mistaken impression that the PvP was to take place inside the siege grounds. At which point about half of us got rolled up good. Then the other half got there and we just killed all your reds while you stood there watching.
I thought the whole thing was pretty straight up really, but I am not easily butthurt.
We all got 80%+ Rez's, and so did you, so it was no big deal there.
All in all, I'd say it was even. We rolled you once, you rolled us once.
Fun was had by all!!
oh and on the numbers, I thought it was even. We had like 4 groups of GG, 2 groups of Koga and 1.5 groups of Republic. Can't say for sure how many you had, but between SW, Bellagio, and Camelot it must've been pretty even.
Hmmm. I still know what this thread is about. There are several themes, and apparently some unresolved issues drifting through the thread.
Aldemir is rightfully ****** at Kut.
Kut is almost (but not really cuz we were at war with Koga :) ) rightfully ****** at Aldemir.
The Darkhorse/DD/Daya/everyone else thing has everyone irritated for different reasons.
A nice looking dutch skater won gold at Turino.
Cheney shot his friend in, what can only be described as, his face.
Kamisama is ****** at no-one but jumps in with (sometimes clever) quips when he feels like it
Grinin does a better brand of heroin than Spacetomb, who claims Kut knows who he is but Kut not entirely sure.
The original, mostly useful, original post by Kut was obscured by people getting ****** by the possible condescension of a couple of the lines. (i personally was not offended)
Bighands continues to be even a bigger carebear than me, though tries to cover up. Blue Carebear is still more carebear than the purple Teletubby.
The real reason that this, and some other threads like it have held on so long is: (multiple choice)
1. Many of us get bored at work
2. We like to argue
3. The puppetmaster believes that having lots of folks arguing with Republic people helps with some agenda, which is obscure to the forum populace
4. See #1
5. Everyone really wants to [censored] about how many hours it takes to level in this game, but we can't do anything about it, so we [censored] at each other instead.
Does that clarify it for ya Bigs? :cool:
--El Choco Grande
6x SH NoobCaster
ClanInfinity
Tsin's Alliance of People and Rodents (no churchmouse, Mew is not a Kat, it's an rodent)
I still think this was the most uber post, and I want a COOKIE!!
sounds kinda deja vu , only you attacked us at dc seige while we had been fighting npc mobs and on the side , ya you cought us ,
You are comparing this situation to us coming to a siege that Koga had signed up for?
Not even close. If you guys are doing Nurka or Bandit Stronghold, do you expect others to not show up?
I like how you drop hints that you were outnumbered at DC. Look at that fraps again. Republic had 1 1/2-2 parties there.
rep , koda , guardians , whoever yall was all fighting us, ya bighands iam not in no way comparing siege to raid, but the part where yall was fighting raid and we was fighting npc was all i was comparing, and ill post where ever the [censored] i want to, and start a new tread where i want to ok.
ill say again head up no npc fighting or raid fighting and outnumberd you got smokedddd , now
You weren't fighting NPC's when we rolled you inside the castle. As I recall, we stopped and looked at you, and you guys attacked us first.
Then we killed a couple groups of NPC's - a bunch of archers, then we got smoked because some moron pulled all those Dark Lords, it was kind of funny actually.
Then, someone made the call to port back out before buffing, as I understand it they were under the mistaken impression that the PvP was to take place inside the siege grounds. At which point about half of us got rolled up good. Then the other half got there and we just killed all your reds while you stood there watching.
I thought the whole thing was pretty straight up really, but I am not easily butthurt.
We all got 80%+ Rez's, and so did you, so it was no big deal there.
All in all, I'd say it was even. We rolled you once, you rolled us once.
Fun was had by all!!
oh and on the numbers, I thought it was even. We had like 4 groups of GG, 2 groups of Koga and 1.5 groups of Republic. Can't say for sure how many you had, but between SW, Bellagio, and Camelot it must've been pretty even.
wrong crakerjack , you ported back at dc and in 5 minutes when first one of you flaged you all got droped give or take a few and that was not in siege zone. btw was only 1 party sw. and no way was even , unless you count the 10 buffers on second computers we had.
Well, we may have been killed a few times, but we didnt have anyone go red and then pop some gear on the ground. Stop acting like you slaughtered us. Its off topic in this thread, it was fun PvP, and thats it. Who cares any more.
aww cmon now, 1 party of SW and 10 buffers? That's not going to be enough to take Dev Castle even on a good day...
You sure there wasn't a few other peoples there?
That's what I said btw.. we ported in unbuffed and you rolled us, only half of us were ported back in at that point.
It was 5 minutes, because we were fighting in the castle, and some of us were still in there when the first people started porting back out there.
Like I said, you got us good at the port in. That was a terrible tactical decision to port back out there in small groups and unbuffed, just plain foolish. As I said though, the call was made because someone thought that the PvP was supposed to take place on the siege grounds. His bad. lol
There may have only been one party of SW, but there were more CD then one party present.
i did say craka , kinda gets a old man mad when he hears a lie and he knows its a lie, talking about in siege so 80% rez, last i ckeck the port in dc is not siege zone , oh maybe you decided not to port back after npc kill all yall , maybe thats why , regardless see ya in dion and tell your clannys dont pm me this time whinning about losing 30%
Hmmm. I still know what this thread is about. There are several themes, and apparently some unresolved issues drifting through the thread.
Aldemir is rightfully ****** at Kut.
Kut is almost (but not really cuz we were at war with Koga :) ) rightfully ****** at Aldemir.
The Darkhorse/DD/Daya/everyone else thing has everyone irritated for different reasons.
A nice looking dutch skater won gold at Turino.
Cheney shot his friend in, what can only be described as, his face.
Kamisama is ****** at no-one but jumps in with (sometimes clever) quips when he feels like it
Grinin does a better brand of heroin than Spacetomb, who claims Kut knows who he is but Kut not entirely sure.
The original, mostly useful, original post by Kut was obscured by people getting ****** by the possible condescension of a couple of the lines. (i personally was not offended)
Bighands continues to be even a bigger carebear than me, though tries to cover up. Blue Carebear is still more carebear than the purple Teletubby.
The real reason that this, and some other threads like it have held on so long is: (multiple choice)
1. Many of us get bored at work
2. We like to argue
3. The puppetmaster believes that having lots of folks arguing with Republic people helps with some agenda, which is obscure to the forum populace
4. See #1
5. Everyone really wants to [censored] about how many hours it takes to level in this game, but we can't do anything about it, so we [censored] at each other instead.
Does that clarify it for ya Bigs? :cool:
--El Choco Grande
6x SH NoobCaster
ClanInfinity
Tsin's Alliance of People and Rodents (no churchmouse, Mew is not a Kat, it's an rodent)
I still think this was the most uber post, and I want a COOKIE!!
who is the puppetmaster?
i find your implication that i hit heroin very beligerent...
what does anything have to do with dc or the encounter at the rb?
what does kut's original post in this thread have to do with sos whatsoever?
all of carpe diem was there(at the dc thing). it's a siege field. part of the reason there are so few attempts to attack dc is this fact... i don't personally know why carpe diem decided to start killing people outside the siege zone. i don't know why members of carpediem decided to start talking mad [censored] on teh siege field.
i'm srry your feelings were hurt. it was a gf win or lose.
i think we had 11 and a half parties from republic. we were there to help koga and didn't know other people were there, and even so, there was no reason to get worried, as it was a siege zone. let's go back at the last year of sieges and people showing up at everyone else's sieges unsunged up for pvp. so there you go. republic didn't cry when half the server showed up to our siege to attack us.
There may have only been one party of SW, but there were more CD then one party present.
i did say craka , kinda gets a old man mad when he hears a lie and he knows its a lie, talking about in siege so 80% rez, last i ckeck the port in dc is not siege zone , oh maybe you decided not to port back after npc kill all yall , maybe thats why , regardless see ya in dion and tell your clannys dont pm me this time whinning about losing 30%
Umm at the port in for DC we had several high level rezzers. I assume you did too, so what's the big deal?
i find your implication that i hit heroin very beligerent...
what does anything have to do with dc or the encounter at the rb?
what does kut's original post in this thread have to do with sos whatsoever?"
I was replying to Bigs and having some fun, but I will answer...
I don't know who the puppetmaster is. I was mostly joking, but it seems possible that some force is getting Republic to look bad (in my opinion, you can certainly argue it--and people have) on the forums lately.
The heroin phrase is one I use on myself as a joke: "you must be on a better brand of heroin than I am" which is a way of saying "we are both nuts, but you are nuts in a better way than I am." I made the comment because of the acid comment.
The dc encounter I don't know anything about.
The point was not that Kut's original post had anything to do with MOST of what was in the thread. I was just summarizing the thread, and having a little fun, as an answer to Bigs. It was for fun. Fun was to be had. Humor was intended to cause fun.
This is a forum, not RL. It is being used for entertainment, influence of the game, manipulation etc. That particular post was for fun.
i didn't think it wasn't funny, iwas having fun too.
one part of the force trying to make us in republic look bad is.
dun dun dun.
yourself.
me?
no the other guy who is consistently saying that republic is failing at politics on these forums and citing specific instances where our guys have been beligerent by being at least 20% more polite than 90% of the server.
it's liek you're trying to posture yourself as some kind of neutral observer or objective authrority, when you are niether neutral nor objective in relation to the subject.
i personally haven't counted the number of times me or my clan(s) have been strongarmed by prety much every medium to high clan in the game.
if you were scurred to stand up to svp or nm or m during that huge conflict when it was really hot, too bad for you. unsung heroes clan stood up to them all politcally and pvp wise several times, and despite the best effort of a small number of people to drag us into that mess.
Can you blame us for trying to do this while you guys also were at war numberous times? Some of my parties were ruined by the war you guys had back in the days. Some of us even ended eating dirt because of this war. So what makes us warring different then your wars?
I have no idea what you are referring to, so I cant answer your question.
If we were just too even step up in the same matter back in the days we would have been labeled as anti this pro that. It’s your double standard that’s ******* me of.
Let me tell you of a true story that happened to us. Back when we were aoeing in AB we had a tank in our party that was on one of the sides in your war. I was the puller so I brought as usual a certain number of mobs which I could not tank on my own. While I was coming back the other side came in and attacked our tank who in return could not hate the mobs. Some people in my party died with one being my own clanny. Died by the consequences of your war. We asked for a 100% rez from the attackers and were ignored by them. Infuriated by this we killed the party that was responsible for our clannies death. After this we were labeled as pro (fill in a side) and immediately they summoned a greater number then us together to drop us.
What makes my story different then yours? Tell me Kut. Yes we acted with force but we were clearly endangered. All the other times where parties got ruined we had to swallow and continue. It was a war between us and them and you all knew that they were in war. Unlike my story your side didn’t got endangered and yet you took it as an aggressive act towards Republic which was not our intention at all. We all had to swallow these things now you guys should.
I didnt threaten anything until he said "I am telling you."
That was taken as a threat to us, being as what you had just done was an outright invitation for us to fight. And now he was going to "Tell" us how it was going to be from there on.
As for the “I am telling you” part. Read further since I was implying with that towards the clarification of the gank war we had with them. How can that be a threat towards you? You just jumped in with threats before I could even finish.
Well, I'm not sure what I would have to gain. I don't think I'm the puppetmaster. In fact, I take it all back...there is no puppetmaster. ;) Generally, I think these threads get long partly because everyone wants the last word, or to make that final point, so it goes on forever.
As far as being scared about anything during that time, I certainly was part of a clan every bit as combative as yours. I've sieged almost every siege period since March, sometimes against NM, sometimes against M but I don't think we've ever shyed away from pvp. IronPhoenix not big on PVP? DTF afraid of anyone? Infinity/RoS not sieging every week? We've had 5 wars the last 5 weeks. This isn't about fear.
My point was that Kut and you have said that lots of people are taking shots at your alliance. All I was saying was that EVERY alliance gets shots; Kut isn't used to it, because most of us would not have taken on NM/SVP together, because we would clearly have lost. My assumption (and of course I could be wrong-0-it's only my opinion) is that you all feel like you are being picked on and singled out. My point is that we all get picked on as neutrals, so you should feel like the rest of us. That's not a criticism, just an observation.
screen shot doesn't even show everyone in teh one party, who's to say there isn't another party or two sitting up the stairs?
and it was an agressive act towards republic. what we should or should not do is not of your concern. you already use weak pretence to bash on us, which is not at all suprising. i've seen wle people threaten d graders with kos for picking up totally different red's drop(killed by the wle), i've had membrs of annihilation run their mouths to me (tho i hate to bring that up), and tell me i'm trash. those two alliances yoru clan has been apart, of so do not act as if you are better or more superior.we are not. we were merely defending our interests. we gave some leeway in that area.
had it been nm svp or mal, you very well may have not had the opportunity to ahve that discussion with kut or salao. please do not continue to confuse the two alliances. we are leagues apart from svp.
screen shot doesn't even show everyone in teh one party, who's to say there isn't another party or two sitting up the stairs?
Well show me one screenshot that contridicts mine then Grinin, since you know better and I am fooling everybody. I have yet to see 3 parties full of people logged on in my alliance within my playtime for me being an Euro player.
and it was an agressive act towards republic.
This is the part where we not agree and what is the source of all this.
had it been nm svp or mal, you very well may have not had the opportunity to ahve that discussion with kut or salao. please do not continue to confuse the two alliances. we are leagues apart from svp.
We had our differences with NM when we were in WLE. Kudos to hugo how he handled the situation.
and for the record, I was not taken so many shots at your alliance, as I was taking shots at Kut, because:
a) he can handle it
b) he deserves it
c) he needs to return to his earlier, more constructive form so that...
d) your alliance stock doesn't drop any further.
Wow we are Shadowsworn now? This thread is getting crazier by the posts. Anyways I think I have boosted my postcount enough for today with "Republic is Satan" posts so I am going to bed.
most of the people who have been jumping on kut's posts as opprotunities to flame, are members of the shadowsworn alliance.
as well, you (who are obviously not a part of shadowsworn,) are also taking every opportunity to jump on kut, and as well as the shadowsworn guys, take shots our our alli. while you may think youa re only taking shots at kut, you have repeatedly stated your opinion as a fact as if some poll had been taken pn the public perception of the republic alliance, as well as commentary on the actions and directiosn of hte alliance, including the previous association of some it's clan with svp as members.
my point- while we were not interested in interfering with your gank war with koga, we were willing to defend our interest, including the mutual raid agreement we had with koga, and warned you quite civily not to do so again. the fact that salao was willing to talk to your guys and make sure everything was copisetic only show show far apart republic and svp/nm/m were during their kos war, whom i have very little doubt would've rolled on you guys as soon as you touched one of koga had there been similar affiliation between any of the 3 in a similar situation.
i'm cool with annihilation have soem love for them, as well as respect, depsite that being tried at times. nonetheless, i have a hard time believing that as great a guy as tsin is, he would've put in the effort salao did on that particular instances, or any number of other particular instances where our interests have been compiromised with other people.
anyways, if we're going to go in circles again, i have scandolous video of infinity during spring break :eek:
Actually your story explains my point very well, thank you. You were upset when what you did to us happened to you and you made someone pay for it.
You decided the best course of action was to kill the person who was partied with you because his enemies came and killed him, thusly getting you killed?
Interesting way to go about it I guess. I on the other hand warned you of the consequences of doing it again.
But you are right, your story made my point better then I could. I apologize for not saying it that well.
I guess this means we agree now?
Couple things I dont get though:
1. You say I have a double standard based on something you think I "would have done", had you done something "back in the day." Dont I actually have to do it for it to be a double standard?
2. Arent you in fact having a double standard by saying you felt and reacted the same way, even more harshly then I did when this happened to you? Yet I am the *** for doing lesser to you in the same instance?
3. You did not have to swallow them, you chose to. Im not sure why we have make the same choices you did?
Gotta love the screenshot of kut acting tough! ROFL! Not once has he showed up to back up his mouth in this allywar with anyone other than kutwife. Ppl taking full xp deaths left and right and hes still just a forum troll. Can't say I didn't expect it.
Actually my story is very different then what we had. If the situation was the same I would not be here making these posts. Note that in my case my party/clanmembers got HURT by a war of others. We tried to be nice and ask for rezzes in which we got ignored then we acted on this matter. If we would engage you while fighting a raid boss I would have sympathies with your anger since our actions would jeopardize others but that wasn’t the case was it Kut. You took it as a disrespectable act towards Republic, which I say again, was never our intention.
Did I in anyway disrespect Republic in my pm's towards you? Yet you jumped on me in the pm's with threats while I tried to explain the situation with KOGA. I was soooo wrong indeed.
most of the people who have been jumping on kut's posts as opprotunities to flame, are members of the shadowsworn alliance.
as well, you (who are obviously not a part of shadowsworn,) are also taking every opportunity to jump on kut, and as well as the shadowsworn guys, take shots our our alli. while you may think youa re only taking shots at kut, you have repeatedly stated your opinion as a fact as if some poll had been taken pn the public perception of the republic alliance, as well as commentary on the actions and directiosn of hte alliance, including the previous association of some it's clan with svp as members.
my point- while we were not interested in interfering with your gank war with koga, we were willing to defend our interest, including the mutual raid agreement we had with koga, and warned you quite civily not to do so again. the fact that salao was willing to talk to your guys and make sure everything was copisetic only show show far apart republic and svp/nm/m were during their kos war, whom i have very little doubt would've rolled on you guys as soon as you touched one of koga had there been similar affiliation between any of the 3 in a similar situation.
i'm cool with annihilation have soem love for them, as well as respect, depsite that being tried at times. nonetheless, i have a hard time believing that as great a guy as tsin is, he would've put in the effort salao did on that particular instances, or any number of other particular instances where our interests have been compiromised with other people.
anyways, if we're going to go in circles again, i have scandolous video of infinity during spring break :eek:
LOL. That spring break is one for the ages! How much do I need to pay you to keep that vid. under wraps? (note: I'm old and boring and wasn't actually there...but my clannies almost burned down Ft. Lauderdale.)
OK. You wrote a wonderfully concise and balanced post. You are very articulate, and that is always appreciated. Salao was reasonable during the whole silly, escapade. Others were not. The old association with SVP, NM, RC etc. cannot be so quickly shaken. Just because you split doesn't mean we don't have lots of history with y'all. Some of us have been promoting balance and trying to limit the 1 or 2 superpower politics that ruined this server for so long...and we've been doing it the entire time.
My mistrust, and desire to keep an eye on Republic, comes from past history of SVP being part of a superpower that took every castle it wanted. So while I prod Kut, and argue with you (all of which is fun for all, I hope)...I do have in the back of my mind memories of going to Gludio with 55 people and fighting even with SVP/Parabellum and getting wiped by NM.
I just don't want a server dominated by one or two superpowers. Just like the EA tag followed around people who had been in EA long after it was gone, the NM/SVP tag follows very visible people like Kut...who so eagerly attacked on the forums, anyone who was against the rise of NM/SVP.
Gotta love the screenshot of kut acting tough! ROFL! Not once has he showed up to back up his mouth in this allywar with anyone other than kutwife. Ppl taking full xp deaths left and right and hes still just a forum troll. Can't say I didn't expect it.
And you havent showed up with anyone except G4briel. Point?
I cant be at every fight man sorry. I dont play as much as some others. I know you miss me though, you make comments about it all the time.
If you didnt expect it, why do you comment on it constantly?
Edit: One other thing struck me as funny with this comment. What mouth do I have to back up G4b? Please find anywhere, ANYWHERE AT ALL, where I said I would personally, or even our alliance would destroy you or yours.
Actually my story is very different then what we had. If the situation was the same I would not be here making these posts. Note that in my case my party/clanmembers got HURT by a war of others. We tried to be nice and ask for rezzes in which we got ignored then we acted on this matter. If we would engage you while fighting a raid boss I would have sympathies with your anger since our actions would jeopardize others but that wasn’t the case was it Kut. You took it as a disrespectable act towards Republic, which I say again, was never our intention.
Did I in anyway disrespect Republic in my pm's towards you? Yet you jumped on me in the pm's with threats while I tried to explain the situation with KOGA. I was soooo wrong indeed.
In the last post you were saying your story was no different then mine.
I am going to go ahead and let you argue with yourself.
Stop already man. I hope you wanted a "flame war"cuz you knew you would start 1 with the first post. And if you didn't then your just as ******ed as the people you you keep calling retarted. But my point of this post is that you need to stop. Just stop. Stop sayining your not politcaly correct when all your are is just an ***. Stop telling people that they are wrong. Stop telling people not to be holier than though when you your self act that way. This post was created for one reason. To piss people off and it should be deleted because nothing positive is going to come out of it.
And if you dont recogise my name its for a reason. I dont need my clan cought up in a stupid fight in game cuz people like you are hot heads.
If my original post was made to piss people off, why have so many people, even those who dont like me, come here and said they agree with it?
The post ****** people off not because of what it said, but because of who said it.
If I let the fact that you think Im an *** stop me from posting, what sense would that make?
As for you. Isnt your post by your own definition acting "holier-then-thou?"
"Hot-head" lol?
Someone being able to express themself really ****** some people off. I wonder why that is. If I acted the way some of you do everytime someone debated with me in life, I'd be in jail. Maybe some one needs to get out more and experience the world?
My post make no mention of me being better than others.
I just enjoy arguments, that are well founded and have a purpose. I have no real problems with you or anyone else. I just hate seeing people take issues out of context and add them in. And regaurdless if people agree with your post you had to know that it would flame up. Starting a post with wich you know people will start trash on is in MY OPINIOIN childish and uncalled for. It would be like me starting a thread that said everyone should bot. No need for it. You know what the out come will be. If you want to have good well rounded debatable topics then find them, but dont go out making threads that you know will turn into flames. Such as this one.
I understand what you are saying and see where you could see it that way.
The way I see it, no matter what I say some people are gonna argue with me no matter what I say.
So, it could be seen as childish and uncalled for, or it could be I had a good point and it was just jumped on by people whom we all expect to jump on anything I say.
Perhaps a little digression. My thoughts travel slightly to Dostoevsky's "the Idiot" as my eyes wander from one reply to the next in this neverending loop.
From the banter, conflict and mischief initiated by almost all this particular novel's characters, this Prince Myshkin (the Idiot) behaves most naively, never understanding fully the nature of another man's aggression, never defending himself to what can be perceived to an outsider as ill-will. But cast such an Idiot next to a politician, and then one suddenly senses ( even if not able to coherently state why) that his appelation is an oxymoron.
Then my thoughts go to the martial arts films I have seen. The greatest warriors are portrayed as the ones who are most gentle in daily living - they are the ones who hide their power or do not use it readily. In real life, I have seen drunkards at a bar become aggressive to men seemingly meek, and when physicality become unavoidable, there is sudden power unleashed from the meek man, leaving all around in astonishment while the meek man looks sorry to have had to use his power.
There is no need for talk in a noble battle or war - that is the domain of the politician who amuses himself/herself with domination by word and wit to augment the ego.
In this virtual world, men and women of age and maturity are intermingled with real life children and adolescents. It is the beauty of it that we may treat all with equal respect. It is the sadness that I do see/ have seen grown men rage against a child, both verbally and with virtual killing. It is with shock I have observed how game events and feelings teleport into the real world.
Whatever the root essence of the origin of this thread, there are feeling associated here. The desire to belittle another is evident from many parties. The boredom evident in the prodding of each other's intelligence, sense of loyalty and fairness is also quite clear.
It seems that when a wrong has been done to another, fault will never be admitted. Afterall, none of us are Idiots.
In my heart of hearts though I wish it were different. It is more palatable to have people fight in the game, have a winner, bow to the opponent and move on til they meet again. It is more palatable if a highly skilled and levelled party would feel some shame at killing those who could not possibly win and search for those groups that would give an even fight. Ninja or zerg killings are never something to boast about and the domain of oppression.... but that is another topic.
I simply meander back to the naive thought that we could fight with some sense of decency and a sense of fun (not directed at any particular person or party) realizing that your real life rage might be directed at someone you'd be ashamed to be angry at if you only knew.
Perhaps a little digression. My thoughts travel slightly to Dostoevsky's "the Idiot" as my eyes wander from one reply to the next in this neverending loop.
From the banter, conflict and mischief initiated by almost all this particular novel's characters, this Prince Myshkin (the Idiot) behaves most naively, never understanding fully the nature of another man's aggression, never defending himself to what can be perceived to an outsider as ill-will. But cast such an Idiot next to a politician, and then one suddenly senses ( even if not able to coherently state why) that his appelation is an oxymoron.
Then my thoughts go to the martial arts films I have seen. The greatest warriors are portrayed as the ones who are most gentle in daily living - they are the ones who hide their power or do not use it readily. In real life, I have seen drunkards at a bar become aggressive to men seemingly meek, and when physicality become unavoidable, there is sudden power unleashed from the meek man, leaving all around in astonishment while the meek man looks sorry to have had to use his power.
There is no need for talk in a noble battle or war - that is the domain of the politician who amuses himself/herself with domination by word and wit to augment the ego.
In this virtual world, men and women of age and maturity are intermingled with real life children and adolescents. It is the beauty of it that we may treat all with equal respect. It is the sadness that I do see/ have seen grown men rage against a child, both verbally and with virtual killing. It is with shock I have observed how game events and feelings teleport into the real world.
Whatever the root essence of the origin of this thread, there are feeling associated here. The desire to belittle another is evident from many parties. The boredom evident in the prodding of each other's intelligence, sense of loyalty and fairness is also quite clear.
It seems that when a wrong has been done to another, fault will never be admitted. Afterall, none of us are Idiots.
In my heart of hearts though I wish it were different. It is more palatable to have people fight in the game, have a winner, bow to the opponent and move on til they meet again. It is more palatable if a highly skilled and levelled party would feel some shame at killing those who could not possibly win and search for those groups that would give an even fight. Ninja or zerg killings are never something to boast about and the domain of oppression.... but that is another topic.
I simply meander back to the naive thought that we could fight with some sense of decency and a sense of fun (not directed at any particular person or party) realizing that your real life rage might be directed at someone you'd be ashamed to be angry at if you only knew.
Perhaps a little digression. My thoughts travel slightly to Dostoevsky's "the Idiot" as my eyes wander from one reply to the next in this neverending loop.
From the banter, conflict and mischief initiated by almost all this particular novel's characters, this Prince Myshkin (the Idiot) behaves most naively, never understanding fully the nature of another man's aggression, never defending himself to what can be perceived to an outsider as ill-will. But cast such an Idiot next to a politician, and then one suddenly senses ( even if not able to coherently state why) that his appelation is an oxymoron.
Then my thoughts go to the martial arts films I have seen. The greatest warriors are portrayed as the ones who are most gentle in daily living - they are the ones who hide their power or do not use it readily. In real life, I have seen drunkards at a bar become aggressive to men seemingly meek, and when physicality become unavoidable, there is sudden power unleashed from the meek man, leaving all around in astonishment while the meek man looks sorry to have had to use his power.
There is no need for talk in a noble battle or war - that is the domain of the politician who amuses himself/herself with domination by word and wit to augment the ego.
In this virtual world, men and women of age and maturity are intermingled with real life children and adolescents. It is the beauty of it that we may treat all with equal respect. It is the sadness that I do see/ have seen grown men rage against a child, both verbally and with virtual killing. It is with shock I have observed how game events and feelings teleport into the real world.
Whatever the root essence of the origin of this thread, there are feeling associated here. The desire to belittle another is evident from many parties. The boredom evident in the prodding of each other's intelligence, sense of loyalty and fairness is also quite clear.
It seems that when a wrong has been done to another, fault will never be admitted. Afterall, none of us are Idiots.
In my heart of hearts though I wish it were different. It is more palatable to have people fight in the game, have a winner, bow to the opponent and move on til they meet again. It is more palatable if a highly skilled and levelled party would feel some shame at killing those who could not possibly win and search for those groups that would give an even fight. Ninja or zerg killings are never something to boast about and the domain of oppression.... but that is another topic.
I simply meander back to the naive thought that we could fight with some sense of decency and a sense of fun (not directed at any particular person or party) realizing that your real life rage might be directed at someone you'd be ashamed to be angry at if you only knew.
-Ines
I am now quite sure that women should rule the world.
LOL. That spring break is one for the ages! How much do I need to pay you to keep that vid. under wraps? (note: I'm old and boring and wasn't actually there...but my clannies almost burned down Ft. Lauderdale.)
OK. You wrote a wonderfully concise and balanced post. You are very articulate, and that is always appreciated. Salao was reasonable during the whole silly, escapade. Others were not. The old association with SVP, NM, RC etc. cannot be so quickly shaken. Just because you split doesn't mean we don't have lots of history with y'all. Some of us have been promoting balance and trying to limit the 1 or 2 superpower politics that ruined this server for so long...and we've been doing it the entire time.
My mistrust, and desire to keep an eye on Republic, comes from past history of SVP being part of a superpower that took every castle it wanted. So while I prod Kut, and argue with you (all of which is fun for all, I hope)...I do have in the back of my mind memories of going to Gludio with 55 people and fighting even with SVP/Parabellum and getting wiped by NM.
I just don't want a server dominated by one or two superpowers. Just like the EA tag followed around people who had been in EA long after it was gone, the NM/SVP tag follows very visible people like Kut...who so eagerly attacked on the forums, anyone who was against the rise of NM/SVP.
I guess I just have a longer memory than some.
ROFL.. Have you been smoking those left handed cigarettes?
Republic was formed with several clans that left SVP and NM.. thus removing a significant portion of said superpower's power. Which in effect works towards the balance you claim you want. Yet you speak out against them. That doesn't make a bit of sense. I would expect you to laud them for taking that step.
You're starting to lose me a bit here. I haven't seen a single action where NM/SVP and Republic fought together so I have trouble putting that together in my mind. I did on the other hand see SVP defending Innandril the siege period before last, when we attacked alongside Republic.
I do have one itty bitty question, how long did the WLE/Annihilation super power hold Gludio and Dion before Republic finally took Dion away? And didn't your alliance transfer their castle to a third alliance that is part of your superpower?
Seems to me that several people are out there trying to build powerful alliances, some simply prefer to do finger pointing in an effort to keep the spotlight off of them.
So is there a name for the WLE/Annihilation/Sacrosanct superpower?
I do have one itty bitty question, how long did the WLE/Annihilation super power hold Gludio and Dion before Republic finally took Dion away? And didn't your alliance transfer their castle to a third alliance that is part of your superpower?
Seems to me that several people are out there trying to build powerful alliances, some simply prefer to do finger pointing in an effort to keep the spotlight off of them.
So is there a name for the WLE/Annihilation/Sacrosanct superpower?
Annihilation and WLE are no longer working together.
Annihilation and Sacrosanct aren't working towards a superpower. No propaganda please.
I wouldn’t call that propaganda. Normally you use that term for someone who is trying to benefit by placing information into public view. He's just making a correlation to refute choc's statement about TheRepublic. I think they've made it crystal clear that they want nothing to do with there old roots. I'm sure they don't mind if your watching them, may end up being a pretty boring show though.
I wouldn’t call that propaganda. Normally you use that term for someone who is trying to benefit by placing information into public view. He's just making a correlation to refute choc's statement about TheRepublic. I think they've made it crystal clear that they want nothing to do with there old roots. I'm sure they don't mind if your watching them, may end up being a pretty boring show though.
I didnt read the rest of the thread. I was told someone said that we were creating a super power so i had to reply and make sure there was nothing to be feared!
Well I know I don’t necessarily fear your alliance, per say, just one particular necro who seems to love filling my bar with de-buffs any time I step near Gludio >.<
I do have one itty bitty question, how long did the WLE/Annihilation super power hold Gludio and Dion before Republic finally took Dion away? And didn't your alliance transfer their castle to a third alliance that is part of your superpower?
Seems to me that several people are out there trying to build powerful alliances, some simply prefer to do finger pointing in an effort to keep the spotlight off of them.
So is there a name for the WLE/Annihilation/Sacrosanct superpower?
Annihilation and WLE are no longer working together.
Annihilation and Sacrosanct aren't working towards a superpower. No propaganda please.
i think big's point is republic and friends is no more a super power than anni/wle or anni/sancrosanct. husje and choco in fact just admitted their fears that republic might, let me mephasize that might become some kind of superpower is what keeps his eye on them. which isn't so much his eye as his mouth.
the thing is anni/sancrosanct/wle is/was just as much a "superpower" as republic and friends. considering we're talking about alliances which fight over gludio/dione/innadril as opposed to aden/oren/giran, the whole idea is ludicrous, and shows choco's paranoia, and intention to to somehow disrepute therepublic on these forums...
Gotta love the screenshot of kut acting tough! ROFL! Not once has he showed up to back up his mouth in this allywar with anyone other than kutwife. Ppl taking full xp deaths left and right and hes still just a forum troll. Can't say I didn't expect it.
if i wanted any lip outta you i'd take off your pants bish. bsoe from someone 10 levels lower some more 2v1 ok thanks buhbye puss.
btw: 1% is full exp? OH NOES NOT 1%> I CAN"T GET THAT BACK IN 10 MINUTES :O
Well I know I don’t necessarily fear your alliance, per say, just one particular necro who seems to love filling my bar with de-buffs any time I step near Gludio >.<
i don't fear gregus, just like i have no problem jumping of a 100 story building just because all my friends are doing it... :o :D
Knowing the %'s of the general population and the attitude towards...well, certain things, if that were true, they would of had to find a way to create Brail computer moniters a long time ago :o
I do have one itty bitty question, how long did the WLE/Annihilation super power hold Gludio and Dion before Republic finally took Dion away? And didn't your alliance transfer their castle to a third alliance that is part of your superpower?
Seems to me that several people are out there trying to build powerful alliances, some simply prefer to do finger pointing in an effort to keep the spotlight off of them.
So is there a name for the WLE/Annihilation/Sacrosanct superpower?
Annihilation and WLE are no longer working together.
Annihilation and Sacrosanct aren't working towards a superpower. No propaganda please.
i think big's point is republic and friends is no more a super power than anni/wle or anni/sancrosanct. husje and choco in fact just admitted their fears that republic might, let me mephasize that might become some kind of superpower is what keeps his eye on them. which isn't so much his eye as his mouth.
the thing is anni/sancrosanct/wle is/was just as much a "superpower" as republic and friends. considering we're talking about alliances which fight over gludio/dione/innadril as opposed to aden/oren/giran, the whole idea is ludicrous, and shows choco's paranoia, and intention to to somehow disrepute therepublic on these forums...
I agree but in my defense,
I didnt read the rest of the thread. I was told someone said that we were creating a super power so i had to reply and make sure there was nothing to be feared!
In the last post you were saying your story was no different then mine.
I am going to go ahead and let you argue with yourself.
Stop twisting words around. I was implying our war was no different then your war. But the situation we had is different then my story since your side didn’t get endangered. God I love you being a smart *** Kut I really do.
i think big's point is republic and friends is no more a super power than anni/wle or anni/sancrosanct. husje and choco in fact just admitted their fears that republic might, let me mephasize that might become some kind of superpower is what keeps his eye on them. Which isn't so much his eye as his mouth.
Grinin where do you see I admitted that I feared the Republic? What do have I to gain by giving your alliance a bad name? Do you think I care a **** if your ally turns into a superpower or not. My beef isn’t with the Republic but it is with Kut and process this into your head. Pls don’t falsely put me like an anti Republic person.
you've jumped into the frey to back up your boy choco. guilt by association... tho you're right, you yourself havent' said you fear republic, outright... and while i'm not sure what you have to gain, you have only painted yourself by your words in this thread as being anti republic at least to some degree.
gregus: yeah i accounted that and figured where you were comin from. just waned to point out it's a point not propaghanda, anymore than the bulk of choco's posts in this and other semi related threads are propaghanda. less so.
LOL. No one needs back me up...it's just my opinion. You can talk all you want about Republic's recent departure from SVP but Kut was the SVP spokesman for roughly 10 months. The last 6 weeks of enmity between Republic and SVP/NM don't diminish the last 10 months.
Are you totally clueless? La la la...we aren't SVP now, so anything we did for the last 10 months to promote a superpower should be ignored...la la la. LOLOLOLOL
As far as WLE, PF, Anni, Sacro ever being anything other than neutral alliances trying to get and hold smaller castles...are you kidding?
We don't trust Republic because of the history of players like Kut who ran the propaganda game when NM was growing huge, and SVP was benefitting. You're saying that's all in the past...I'm saying my memory is not that short.
I wish Republic the best and repeat my respect for Salao, but if you want us to pretend to be ignorant of your recent history, it's not happening.
To compare WLE, PF, Sacro, Anni, etc. to people like Kut and their involvement in SVP/NM is just ignorant. LMAO.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
actually that's not what you've been saying until very recently.
in fact just the opposite.
republic doesn't deny having had clans in svp in the past. trying to compare nm, mal, or svp or syn as ea like is incredibly ridiculous coming from a former wle member which has very often bullied ppl of every lvl from ng up and tried to act like a small time wle... too bad for you it didn't always work out for you, despite your former alliance's threats against many they'd never leave town again, and then soon after was begging those same people to leavbe them alone.
acting as if you are anti ea style alliances coming from wle is the most absurd thing i've heard today, and i've been conversing with g4...
because that's right, you can't call my alliance which actually tries to be diplomatic and friendly anything liek ea, comign from an alliance which has consistently bullied, threatened, intimidated and attacked anyone who they weren't interested in attempting to recruit, nevermind several other underhand tactics which are no business of mine.
which is not to say i have any particular dislike for wle, it's just incredibly silly that you just posted that pile of complete [censored] about being anti ea like, comign from one of the alliances which in it's domain has attempted to style itself most like the fabled and mythical eternal avatar.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
It seems to me that you are drawn to the exact thing you say you are against. PF was much larger in it's prime than Rep and GG put together. WLE was much larger than Rep and GG put together, and you have just recently joined Annihilation/Sancrosanct which are also larger than Rep and GG together.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
It seems to me that you are drawn to the exact thing you say you are against. PF was much larger in it's prime than Rep and GG put together. WLE was much larger than Rep and GG put together, and you have just recently joined Annihilation/Sancrosanct which are also larger than Rep and GG together.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Annihilation and Sacrosanct are not larger than Republic and GG put together :P Either that or i am misreading (wouldn't doubt... hell i thought you were choc... my brain is fried....) I'd say put together we are probably 1/2 the size... 3/4 at most of you 2 put together.
P.S. can't we all get together and make cookies? Chocolate Chip or Sugar cookies? Honestly, this thread has gotten extremely off topic. It's nice to see we are sharing opinions but... this thread wasn;t meant for the debate... more of a guidline of how to.
you've jumped into the frey to back up your boy choco. guilt by association... tho you're right, you yourself havent' said you fear republic, outright... and while i'm not sure what you have to gain, you have only painted yourself by your words in this thread as being anti republic at least to some degree.
Well read again then since all my replies were meant for Kut and for Kut only, not for your alliance. If that makes me an Anti Republic then so be it. My other post had a touch of scarcasm in them if you didn't know and someone had to point them at you then sorry for my lack of understanding.
And I only backed Choc when he was painted as an anti Republic person by you but not like he needed some back up. My "boy" Choc can handle himself pretty wel ty.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Yes next step for us to KoS you for your attemtps to siege the castles we had so we can become the thing you say.
You are funny Big. How do we gain EA like status? Care to explain that? As far as I remember our castles were sieged almost every siege weekend and some were even remembered as great ones. How does this make us want to be like EA because, with all do respect, I lost you there.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
It seems to me that you are drawn to the exact thing you say you are against. PF was much larger in it's prime than Rep and GG put together. WLE was much larger than Rep and GG put together, and you have just recently joined Annihilation/Sancrosanct which are also larger than Rep and GG together.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Thank you Bigs, you are dead on. When PF grew to the size of SVP at it's peak, 270 toons--135 real people, we got bored and Sporticus retired. When WLE held its castle for like 5 siege periods and was about that size, we got bored and clans like Infinity left. WLE participates in sieges and pvp without any big power to help it. They are independent.
When SVP peaked in size, 275 or so toons and 12-140 real people, it remained tightly connected to a big power.
So....PF and WLE get too big and we disband. SVP got too big and it stayed that way, and reinforced its power with its big brother NM.
C'mon Bigs. Acting like WLE or PF were ever big players in the power game is laughable.
WLE and PF were huge factors, in our neck of the woods (Gludio, Dion, Innandril), for a very long time, actually. Obviously none of the "Southern" alliances cared about anything other than those 3.
Thank you Bigs, you are dead on. When PF grew to the size of SVP at it's peak, 270 toons--135 real people, we got bored and Sporticus retired. When WLE held its castle for like 5 siege periods and was about that size, we got bored and clans like Infinity left. WLE participates in sieges and pvp without any big power to help it. They are independent.
When SVP peaked in size, 275 or so toons and 12-140 real people, it remained tightly connected to a big power.
So....PF and WLE get too big and we disband. SVP got too big and it stayed that way, and reinforced its power with its big brother NM.
C'mon Bigs. Acting like WLE or PF were ever big players in the power game is laughable.
As I recall SVP stayed with NM during their peak because they were fighting a rather large M/LCN/SOS alliance. When M started to split apart, SVP got bored and disbanded, just like you did.
Thinking back on it, I recall PF being fairly well connected to M, and DTF left M to create their own alliance, just as Federation left SVP to make thier own.
So why is it that people should be concerned that Republic is still taking orders from SVP/NM, when the exact same could be said of you.
If we look strictly at actions, then we see that Republic has not once taken the field for sieging or PVP alongside NM, however I could swear that Annihilation fought alongside M and previous elements of M just last siege period. In fact, I could be mistaken, but hasn't it been the last two siege periods?
It definitely looks like someone is trying to keep a spotlight on Republic in an effort to keep the spotlight off of them.
Thinking back on it, I recall PF being fairly well connected to M...
Huh?
however I could swear that Annihilation fought alongside M and previous elements of M just last siege period. In fact, I could be mistaken, but hasn't it been the last two siege periods?
Thinking back on it, I recall PF being fairly well connected to M...
Huh?
however I could swear that Annihilation fought alongside M and previous elements of M just last siege period. In fact, I could be mistaken, but hasn't it been the last two siege periods?
Double huh?
Well Malevolence did give PF a castle right.. gave them Gludio? Actually, my memories a bit foggy.. oh yeah, Malevolence took Gludio from us and escorted PF in to pray.. that's what it was.
The past couple periods have been kinda confusing, maybe it wasn't M, maybe it was the umm previous elements of M. ;)
P.S. can't we all get together and make cookies? Chocolate Chip or Sugar cookies? Honestly, this thread has gotten extremely off topic. It's nice to see we are sharing opinions but... this thread wasn;t meant for the debate... more of a guidline of how to.
I am with you Gregus, lets all have some big cook outs at our castles. Each clan that shows up is required to bring atleast one Keg. We all sit around tell some stories, get drunk and have a blast killing each other.
Annihilation hasn't fought along side M since we left. Unless I did something I don't remember. Which is indeed quite possible.
There was a party or two of M at the last Dion siege, but I wouldn't say they were working with you guys cause there was one or two parties there from almost every clan/alliance on Gustin. "That was so much fun" :D
I say we keep having fun like we have been for the last few months. But personaly I am keeping an eye on this one castle that the owners of it don't feel the need to set up a manor system on.
I just hate seeing a good manor sit idle for so long, I don't care who ownes it...I just want it up and running. LickN, how would you like running a manor system again, I know your good at it. ;)
Comming from a clan that routinly sieged or defended Gludio/Dion for about a 6 siege period time frame I can safely say that although WLE/ANI were well organized and strong the were from from any thing of the LCN/M/HEAVENS NM/SVP thing going on.
I dont recall seeing either side call in for help from the "big dogs" to defend untill Anialtion decided to give up the castel and that same sige PC asked LCN to help them and then NM showed up to fight LCN. But I think it worked out well for that 2 months or so. The mid level politics stayed fun and clean and we were able to enjoy ourselves with out major drama. Is the Republic a bad thing? I dont think so it was becoming a bit too complacent down in the "south" with the same 3 castles being held by the same 3 people every other week. People acticualy stoped seiging cuz everyone knew what the outcome would be. The Rebublic is run well albeit they are a bit cockey but hey who cares. They are no differnt than any other clan trying to make a name for themselves and personaly I applod it. Its good to have some shake up.
But hey thats just my opinion.
Well Malevolence did give PF a castle right.. gave them Gludio? Actually, my memories a bit foggy.. oh yeah, Malevolence took Gludio from us and escorted PF in to pray.. that's what it was.
The past couple periods have been kinda confusing, maybe it wasn't M, maybe it was the umm previous elements of M. ;)
We went there to **** around. There were absolutely no plans to help anyone. Got there, killed who we felt like. Decision to kill HG instead of PF prob had something to do with HG sieging against us for fun those couple times. :D
You just lost the flip of the coin I guess when M went there to pvp.
LickN, how would you like running a manor system again, I know your good at it. ;)
I like to think I was good at the manor system because of Bighands assistence in pointing me in the right direction to get the information on setting it up and for the people that took the time to pm me suggestions on what mats were short in the market. I recieved very little complaints on Dion and Aden's manor system. Dion got really buggy near the end, kept resetting and gms were slow to helping.
Oh, and I was smart enough to take screenshots of my settings when I had it tweaked to perfection!
Yup, you did a very good job with the manors. I hope everyone gets used to the C4 changes soon and tweaks a few things, but, other than that, most of the castles are doing well, just not great.
LickN, how would you like running a manor system again, I know your good at it. ;)
I like to think I was good at the manor system because of Bighands assistence in pointing me in the right direction to get the information on setting it up and for the people that took the time to pm me suggestions on what mats were short in the market. I recieved very little complaints on Dion and Aden's manor system. Dion got really buggy near the end, kept resetting and gms were slow to helping.
Oh, and I was smart enough to take screenshots of my settings when I had it tweaked to perfection!
You'd really like it now man.. The creation menu is like the one's for NPS shops. You click the item you want with the seed type you want, put in the # you want to make, and hit buy. whamo done. You can make 150 crystals or Swift Atk pots in about 2 seconds.. as opposed to how it used to be, like 5 clicks per item.
The only bad thing is we can't buy nearly as many crops as we used to be able too. :(
Stop twisting words around. I was implying our war was no different then your war. But the situation we had is different then my story since your side didn’t get endangered. God I love you being a smart *** Kut I really do.
Who's being the smart-*** here?
Try saying what you mean and maybe responding when your posts are questioned. Instead you are solely capable of saying I am twisting your words and just plain wrong.
I quoted exactly what you said. I am realizing you are one of those people who dont understand completely what I am saying (maybe english isnt your first language?) which is the reason why you think I am twisting your words.
I also see you weren't the best name for me to choose to PM for this same reason.
So, most importantly, Durgoth gave us a great cookie recipe and Grinin gave an actual, real, visual cookie...so I'll bring the milk and we can parteeee!
On the trivial stuff, M's arrival at Gludio had a huge impact on PF getting the castle, but I think it was fairly random. I got a PM from Kami an hour into the siege and we were chatting about M/NM/EA and they were PvP'ing for kicks. He wanted to try aoe'ing the port zone, and they helped us push through the gate and then they played in the courtyard while we went to the throne room and artifact. So...I wouldn't say we were allied with them, but I don't think we would have rushed through like that without them. When M took Aden, we were trying to take Innadril, and when they tried for Giran, we sat around Aden. Frankly, PF's connection to M was that we believed that Linda, Lickn, Kami etc. were the only force big enough to challenge NM/SVP and keep us from an EA-like one superpower. It wasn't that we didn't like Hugo--we did and do. We liked Linda/Lickn too, still do.
So all that aside, we were neutral, friendly and somewhat opportunistic.
I am totally cool with Republic, just not some of the recent behaviors. They have been well documented on both sides.
Try saying what you mean and maybe responding when your posts are questioned. Instead you are solely capable of saying I am twisting your words and just plain wrong.
I quoted exactly what you said. I am realizing you are one of those people who dont understand completely what I am saying (maybe english isnt your first language?) which is the reason why you think I am twisting your words.
I also see you weren't the best name for me to choose to PM for this same reason.
Lesson learned.
Sorry for not being a forumgod like you Kut. And yes English isnt my primary language.
In my previous post I was talking what grief your war caused us. What makes our war with Koga different then your war. That was what I implied that our wars were the same.
However my story isnt the same with what we had. For being it the same we should have killed Koga while you were engaged. And therefore it isnt the same in my eyes. Even you should understand the difference between these 2.
So, most importantly, Durgoth gave us a great cookie recipe and Grinin gave an actual, real, visual cookie...so I'll bring the milk and we can parteeee!
On the trivial stuff, M's arrival at Gludio had a huge impact on PF getting the castle, but I think it was fairly random. I got a PM from Kami an hour into the siege and we were chatting about M/NM/EA and they were PvP'ing for kicks. He wanted to try aoe'ing the port zone, and they helped us push through the gate and then they played in the courtyard while we went to the throne room and artifact. So...I wouldn't say we were allied with them, but I don't think we would have rushed through like that without them. When M took Aden, we were trying to take Innadril, and when they tried for Giran, we sat around Aden. Frankly, PF's connection to M was that we believed that Linda, Lickn, Kami etc. were the only force big enough to challenge NM/SVP and keep us from an EA-like one superpower. It wasn't that we didn't like Hugo--we did and do. We liked Linda/Lickn too, still do.
So all that aside, we were neutral, friendly and somewhat opportunistic.
I am totally cool with Republic, just not some of the recent behaviors. They have been well documented on both sides.
Cookies for EVERYONE!
I'm just stating what it looked like to us and the rest of the server. That siege is water under the bridge, and doesn't matter at this point anyhow.
Especially when we have this weekend to look forward too!!
Well read again then since all my replies were meant for Kut and for Kut only, not for your alliance.
And I only backed Choc when he was painted as an anti Republic person by you but not like he needed some back up. My "boy" Choc can handle himself pretty wel ty.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Yes next step for us to KoS you for your attemtps to siege the castles we had so we can become the thing you say.
You are funny Big. How do we gain EA like status? Care to explain that? As far as I remember our castles were sieged almost every siege weekend and some were even remembered as great ones. How does this make us want to be like EA because, with all do respect, I lost you there.
1: you're posting in a public forum. if it was for kut and kut only, then send him a pm.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
It seems to me that you are drawn to the exact thing you say you are against. PF was much larger in it's prime than Rep and GG put together. WLE was much larger than Rep and GG put together, and you have just recently joined Annihilation/Sancrosanct which are also larger than Rep and GG together.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Thank you Bigs, you are dead on. When PF grew to the size of SVP at it's peak, 270 toons--135 real people, we got bored and Sporticus retired. When WLE held its castle for like 5 siege periods and was about that size, we got bored and clans like Infinity left. WLE participates in sieges and pvp without any big power to help it. They are independent.
When SVP peaked in size, 275 or so toons and 12-140 real people, it remained tightly connected to a big power.
So....PF and WLE get too big and we disband. SVP got too big and it stayed that way, and reinforced its power with its big brother NM.
C'mon Bigs. Acting like WLE or PF were ever big players in the power game is laughable.
first off, infinity left wle a short time after losing dione, it made some folks think you couldn't stand to be in an alliance without a castle. i guess if that was the case you would've jumped ship from anni the next siege weekend, unless it would've been too obvious. i dunno.
i've never thought of svp as a large alliance. it had been around fo ra long time yes, but large? i thought of it as one of the smaller "major" alliances. and major largely for the fact it was involved in teh big kos war.
the thing is, i know alot of people hated pf,. don't know why, and alot of people hated wle, because they did and for all i know still do bully people around.
the fac tthat your clan was in two alliances that was generally disliked by independent clans who share the same level ranges is what makes wle and pf ea like. and more so than republic ever has.
is republic a bit cocky? yeah we got some cocky people. far less cocky then most of the alliances i've been in. mroe class on the battlefield than most, saying things like gf win or lose.
and owning a castle or going to a siege is being involved in politics in gustin. there is no such thing as pvp without politics in this game.
I have been a propagandist for a year. My goal? To attempt to ally clans/alliances against EA-like superpowers, which limit my enjoyment of the game.
I did so against NM when it got too big. I was nervous about Republic/GG getting too big and out of hand, but that is looking less probable. At this point, Hugo is showing some discipline as is Synergy.
My guess is that we are all having a better time than 1 year ago.
I hope you all join me in allying against anyone that would hold, or influence more than 50% of the castles on Gustin.
It seems to me that you are drawn to the exact thing you say you are against. PF was much larger in it's prime than Rep and GG put together. WLE was much larger than Rep and GG put together, and you have just recently joined Annihilation/Sancrosanct which are also larger than Rep and GG together.
Are you sure you aren't just speaking up against any alliance that you view as possibly standing in your way as you try to gain EA like status? I mean with that track record it sure does look like that's what you're drawn too.
Thank you Bigs, you are dead on. When PF grew to the size of SVP at it's peak, 270 toons--135 real people, we got bored and Sporticus retired. When WLE held its castle for like 5 siege periods and was about that size, we got bored and clans like Infinity left. WLE participates in sieges and pvp without any big power to help it. They are independent.
When SVP peaked in size, 275 or so toons and 12-140 real people, it remained tightly connected to a big power.
So....PF and WLE get too big and we disband. SVP got too big and it stayed that way, and reinforced its power with its big brother NM.
C'mon Bigs. Acting like WLE or PF were ever big players in the power game is laughable.
first off, infinity left wle a short time after losing dione, it made some folks think you couldn't stand to be in an alliance without a castle. i guess if that was the case you would've jumped ship from anni the next siege weekend, unless it would've been too obvious. i dunno.
i've never thought of svp as a large alliance. it had been around fo ra long time yes, but large? i thought of it as one of the smaller "major" alliances. and major largely for the fact it was involved in teh big kos war.
the thing is, i know alot of people hated pf,. don't know why, and alot of people hated wle, because they did and for all i know still do bully people around.
the fac tthat your clan was in two alliances that was generally disliked by independent clans who share the same level ranges is what makes wle and pf ea like. and more so than republic ever has.
is republic a bit cocky? yeah we got some cocky people. far less cocky then most of the alliances i've been in. mroe class on the battlefield than most, saying things like gf win or lose.
and owning a castle or going to a siege is being involved in politics in gustin. there is no such thing as pvp without politics in this game.
Being in one of the clans/allys durrin the WLE/ANI reign and being of comparatvive lvles. We fought aginst and with both sides. I can safeley say we were never treated porley or felt oppresed.
I can also say the Republic after being KOS to them were were well behaved and as I said B4 a bit cockey. But of all the clans/allys I have ever been kos to they are the only ones I dont hold any ill will towords because of the fact they did not run their mouths and trash talk... (at least not in open) But I can imagine they had some good laughs droping my newb ***. But if you cant have fun playing a game you shouldn't play.
first off, infinity left wle a short time after losing dione, it made some folks think you couldn't stand to be in an alliance without a castle.
God help me- this will be my second post in this thread- I think a new record for me, but I have to correct you.
Infinity left WLE before their last defense of Dion. It is not only laughable that we left an alliance because it didn't hold a castle, but it is factually incorrect.
I'll leave my comments on your assumption that many people had a hatred for PF unsaid because #1 it would be a completely emotion based response and that will get me nowhere in a thread of this nature. Mostly though, because Bigs said it best "water under the bridge" we have lots more stuff going on now and things to do in the future without throwing things around that are over 6 months old.
my bad. i didn't see them untagged until right after the siege.
again i don't personally know nor have i witnessed anything about pf, but i do recall a lot of bad talk about them from alot of folks in past clans/allies.
as far as wle goes. i'm pretty sure they never kos'ed anyone for sieging their castles. i have witnessed them do some silly things like threaten d graders and ng'ers with kos. wether that was the decision of the alli leadership or a few bad apples, i don't know. i do know that in teh time i've played this game(the start of c3-i'm oldskool now baby ;) )they've had a bad rep as being too big for their britches.
one thing i like about republic is we try not to talk [censored], try not to threaten. i guess choco or whoever (i;ve forgtten now) who kut talked to in the raid with koga incident took his warning as a threat.i personally wouldn't. i 'd be like crap. that probaly wasn't a good idea(unless i wanted tofight that alli). it seems that's what happened, and now it seems to be presented as a threat and htat we are a levithon of ea style proportions.
my points aren't that wle is ea like or pf was ea like or anni/wle or anni/sancrosanct is huge or ea like. my point is we are no more ea like, and less so than these alliances in some cases, we are not bullies, or [censored]. we like to pvp, and as andoland had the impression, yes we do so for fun, and hope the other guys are having fun too. we don't pvp to push people out of the game. we don't hate on people, and while we have some cocky people(and who doesn't?), we try to keep chills.
and telli, plz tell that thing about water under the bridge to choco and his svp ramblings. kk thx. buhbye now!
Please close, lock, and delete this thread.
How much pointless arguing and finger pointing can anyone take because i am far over my limit.
Tsin, i have nothing but complete respect for you and your alliance. Im glad that the small amount of drama that happened was resolved without any further action, you guys all seem very nice.
Bigs, you kick *** bro. Your alliance is full of good people and it's been a great pleasure working with you guys these past few weeks and we are looking forward to any sieges or raids together in the future.
It's not our intention to be any sort of troublemakers or start some superpowered Alliance. We're here just like you, to have some fun and hopefully win some sieges. So much shittalking back and forth about this and that, on my side of things as well, just omg stop arguing all day about the most random stuff.
Also any clans/alliances that we are at war with i demand my alliance to treat the enemy with respect. I feel it's necessary to have some class, and always when beaten admit defeat and dont tell the enemy "you only win because of this blah blah blah". Its more important to have more friends than enemies, and from that always treat people with respect, enemies will come and go and in L2 its inevitable. But at the same time I feel that making friends and having open ended conversations with all alliances leadership is important as well, so when minor situations happen it can be dealt with diplomatically and not always end in war. Naturally circumstances sometimes require war, whether KOS to and from or just declared 1% war. We will not back down from those either, but at least have a conversation and explain why it is game time. So much immaturity in this game, its time to act like adults.
I guess at the end of all of our playing days here in L2, i would like Republic to go down as a respectable, strong, and always classy ally.
Please close, lock, and delete this thread.
How much pointless arguing and finger pointing can anyone take because i am far over my limit.
/agree. Same to ya. Obviously people have different opinions of our alliances but I have a good ammount of respect for your alliance as well. I personally don't think anyone is even thinking of creating the EA like status again. I don't know where all that stuff is comming from and it would be nice to see *everyone* stop talking about that crap.
Hiya everyone this is my first post on these forums and wow you really do learn a lot about a persona nd thier actions in game. not sure if many of you know me but these name calling back and forth are really dissappointing. On both sides if you have to get on these forums to trash talk or try to in some way degrade them is quite funny IMO. And if is al you guys are doing are making the many that read these forums laugh then cookies all around. But I have to say that some people take things way way to personal in this game and results in wars. And just for the record you say that kut started this whole fight I am not the one to say who did but like he and everyone in the republis will say as will yor clan and allaince members you have to stick up for what you believe and and who you believe in. If kuts ability to freely speak his mind offensive or not makes you want to go to war then so be it. I enjoy this game but I have one request for SOS....please stop the trash talk really is all it does is makes more and more people want to fight you and if thats what you want then so be it. And fro the record our numbers have grown since the war so the few people that are detagged are merely switching clans. And if you have to say how many dettagged this week that in itself explains why people are starting to get tired of hearing you guys in game. I personally had uber respect for sos even when the war first started and then the second you guys started to talk yoru trash it all went away.
I apologize for the size of this post but for some reason I cannot get in game and this is something that has been on my chest for some time.
1: you're posting in a public forum. if it was for kut and kut only, then send him a pm.
I could have but chose not to. Can you blame me for that while your comprande does exactly the same?
2:how does republic gain ea liek status?
Again where do you see me claim that? Grinin pls stick it in your skull that I have nothing against Republic but I have against Kut. Stop making me something I am not.
first off, infinity left wle a short time after losing dione, it made some folks think you couldn't stand to be in an alliance without a castle. i guess if that was the case you would've jumped ship from anni the next siege weekend, unless it would've been too obvious.
Do your homework next time Grinin we left WLE long before they lost Dion. We even kept defending it after we detagged them for some time.
one thing i like about republic is we try not to talk [censored], try not to threaten. i guess choco or whoever (i;ve forgtten now) who kut talked to in the raid with koga incident took his warning as a threat.
So you saying it wasn’t a threat? So what about Kuts following words:
I didnt threaten anything until he said "I am telling you."
Sorry I was wrong here. Again he jumped on me with threats while I tried to explain our situation which started with “I am telling you." And continued with the other sentences in my pm.
Hiya everyone this is my first post on these forums and wow you really do learn a lot about a persona nd thier actions in game. not sure if many of you know me but these name calling back and forth are really dissappointing. On both sides if you have to get on these forums to trash talk or try to in some way degrade them is quite funny IMO. And if is al you guys are doing are making the many that read these forums laugh then cookies all around. But I have to say that some people take things way way to personal in this game and results in wars. And just for the record you say that kut started this whole fight I am not the one to say who did but like he and everyone in the republis will say as will yor clan and allaince members you have to stick up for what you believe and and who you believe in. If kuts ability to freely speak his mind offensive or not makes you want to go to war then so be it. I enjoy this game but I have one request for SOS....please stop the trash talk really is all it does is makes more and more people want to fight you and if thats what you want then so be it. And fro the record our numbers have grown since the war so the few people that are detagged are merely switching clans. And if you have to say how many dettagged this week that in itself explains why people are starting to get tired of hearing you guys in game. I personally had uber respect for sos even when the war first started and then the second you guys started to talk yoru trash it all went away.
I apologize for the size of this post but for some reason I cannot get in game and this is something that has been on my chest for some time.
I have asked Salao to post screens of any offending trash talk, and Grinin posted here that he is making a slideshow on SoS trash talk.
OK, we've almost reached that 25 page milestone, which separates the really pointless threads, from the really LONG pointless threads. I know we can do it if we all just give it that 110%.
One clarification. No one said Republic was EA-like.
OK, we've almost reached that 25 page milestone, which separates the really pointless threads, from the really LONG pointless threads. I know we can do it if we all just give it that 110%.
One clarification. No one said Republic was EA-like.
Thank you.
Carry on.
I love you all.
Cookie Party.
I guess it depends on your settings, but for me it's only 16 pages which is far from 25 pages.
Hiya everyone this is my first post on these forums and wow you really do learn a lot about a persona nd thier actions in game. not sure if many of you know me but these name calling back and forth are really dissappointing. On both sides if you have to get on these forums to trash talk or try to in some way degrade them is quite funny IMO. And if is al you guys are doing are making the many that read these forums laugh then cookies all around. But I have to say that some people take things way way to personal in this game and results in wars. And just for the record you say that kut started this whole fight I am not the one to say who did but like he and everyone in the republis will say as will yor clan and allaince members you have to stick up for what you believe and and who you believe in. If kuts ability to freely speak his mind offensive or not makes you want to go to war then so be it. I enjoy this game but I have one request for SOS....please stop the trash talk really is all it does is makes more and more people want to fight you and if thats what you want then so be it. And fro the record our numbers have grown since the war so the few people that are detagged are merely switching clans. And if you have to say how many dettagged this week that in itself explains why people are starting to get tired of hearing you guys in game. I personally had uber respect for sos even when the war first started and then the second you guys started to talk yoru trash it all went away.
I apologize for the size of this post but for some reason I cannot get in game and this is something that has been on my chest for some time.
I have asked Salao to post screens of any offending trash talk, and Grinin posted here that he is making a slideshow on SoS trash talk.
I have yet to see either...
I am not a little baby daya, but if you really want some screenshots of the always classy gab & co. saying nice comments you can have them, im not going to post them on some public board for my own benefit, i am more mature than that.
I messaged you in game saying that your guys are just endlessly shittalking about anything and everything win or lose and it's just sad. See above post where I said it's important to me to have respect for my enemies but honestly your alliance tests my own boundaries.
So, if you really are that naive and dont believe me, ill play your stupid game and give you an ingame mail with links to the screenshots you desire.
Honestly I dont give 2 [censored] if you guys wanna roll just shittalking anything you can come up with, but its just a joke seeing some of this chat that comes off your tags and I figured you should know.
Sorry I was wrong here. Again he jumped on me with threats while I tried to explain our situation which started with “I am telling you." And continued with the other sentences in my pm.
and yes this is indeed getting old.
Thats BS and you know it man.
If you want two thoughts to be tied together, you may want to say them together. Again, a communication issue that I am going to right off as "english not a first language."
Like I said, lesson learned. Dont like me, Aldemir, please.
In MY OPINION trash talk largely consists of swear words and phrases devoted to insulting one's mother, sister, race, religion etc.
What you have presented to me is in MY OPINION mostly talk, albeit not necessarily pleasent, of my ally mates OPINIONS in regard to the PvP, group structure and tactics in each particular fight.
Now, I believe anyone and everyone has a right to their OWN OPINION on what constitutes trash talk and I hope that Republic will respect MY OPINION when I say that the "evidence" presented to me does not constitute trash talk in my books.
I will respect Republic's OPINION on what constitutes trash talk and hereby agree to disagree with their OPINION .
And I will take the liberty of posting this little gem in order to clarify exactly what I mean.
Couple tips about opinions:
1. Having one does not make you right.
2. Arguing your opinion does not make you wrong.
3. Expressing your opinion does not make you "holier-then-thou."
4. Grow up and learn to debate and discuss, or understand that you look like a moron to those who have learned the wonders of communication.
5. Just because your opinion does not agree with someone elses, does not make you right.
6. Finding 10 friends who agree with your opinion does not make it right. There is a reason they are your friends.
7. Someone arguing against your opinion does not mean they should burn in hell, it could mean you havent expressed your opinion well enough and should sit back and think about it more.
Live and learn folks. Some people around here need to broaden their horizens a little.
And daya you are right you have your right to voive your opinion in what you think is trash talk but the majority is always right for obvious reasons.
What I think trash talk is (in my opinion):
1.Anyone telling you to leave your clan or this will continue to happen, however not offensive to me actually quite humorous is still something that should not be said and that is in your best interest. is all that does is make players want to stay and keep killing you.
2. And this is a big one to me though I was not able nor did I think about it at that time to ss it being called a botter and ebayier totally and uterly offends me. I have worked hard to get where I am today and many can stand by and say this as i have peopel that i have played with for years. I do not will not or will I ever do this as it is against my ethics and frankly I do not have the time to do this. I play this game for what it is, which for me is a great way to have fun with people from around the world.
but anyway I am not here to fight and create even more problems then we already obviously have I do wish that we can both have fun with thsi war and not be little others doing it.
Whats BS Kut? Try to put my sentences behind each without your threats between them and see what I mean.
Like this
"and Im telling you"
"I am not gonna refine their rules"
"They easily would have done the same"
If you want two thoughts to be tied together, you may want to say them together. Again, a communication issue that I am going to right off as "english not a first language."
Maybe if you showed some patients they would have been tied together. It isnt my fault that you can't keep your cool when it comes to PM's.