it would be great if u remove all the penalties the Orc tyrants have like for example, Fist of Fury takes Hp and lowers the def big time, Punch of Doom stuns the player what is that????? then the souls like rabitt u can use it for 1 minute but then it takes 4 hours to recharge, when puma soul use to last 30 minutes in C1 stop with the player hate with the Orcs we are ment to be strong and remove all those penalties, just take it how it is we are ment to be strong not punks with 1000 penalties, imagine I use punch of Doom with fist of fury stunned and loosing life by my self including the damage from others or mobs at the time no way, that sucks all those penalties have made the orc tyrant be too dependable on healers or eating away greater healing potions by the tons!!! cause at the lvl I'm right now regular healing potions don't do anything, thx for listening hope one day in the very near future u put a small patch and remove all those penalties from the Orc tyrants, I don't want to depend on buffers or healers or waisting 40 million adena a week in healing potions so I can lvl alone, please Remove the penalties at once!!!!!! I would apprecciate it, and stop worring about making better every other race while in the mean time u mess up the Orc tyrants!!!!!!!>:( :mad: stop the Discrimination anyways u don't even put orcs tyrants in any of your videos from the l2 story is always pretty dark elfs and pretty light elfs and pretty humans! whatever, Stop the player Hate against Orcs and remove all those idiotic penalties, I feel Tyrants are discriminated by NC soft Big time cause of someone high up in game desing or managment who loves his pretty dark elf lvl 75 and hates orcs, Discrimination Dude that's what I have been seeing since C2, Discrimination against Orc Tyrants/Fighters and stop trying to make the strongest race in the game punks with all your penalties, I'm sure Dark elfs have no penalties or perhaps any other race, :mad:
I just gotta say... LOL. Tyrants are balanced, their totems are awesome. They got slowing skills, they got stun attack. They can reach the highest run speed, the highest attack speed and the most HP in this game. The skills and self buffs have certain penalties because without them they would be unbalanced. Rabbit totem sure as hell doesnt take 4 hours to recharge and neither does any of the other totems.
rabit charge time is about 5mins which isnt that bad, but could have been better - anyway if you are planning to solo buy some potions of attack speed/ww/SS spam and use Orge totems - it helps alot and it charges up fast and it heals like every 1min. It's best to fight green monsters if you are soloing...you will have some downtime but it's aint that bad compared to other melees.
I havent gotten to Bison totem yet, but I heard it owns....
What i am wondering is when we pass lvl 76 can we enchant our totem skills and passive skills or fist of furry so that it consumes less hp or faster attk spd or shorten recharge time (for totems) or enhances power? can anyone answer this?
Dear OP:
Your class is not broken. Plenty of other melee classes are broken. A tyrant 6 levels below me can beat me in pvp and can hunt the same mobs as I do for longer periods of time. Some classes simply cannot hunt without healers/buffers. You are lucky not to be counted among them.
Also, you dont help your cause by saying that you are discriminated against as an orc. Thats a bit much dont you think? After all, on the new load screen I seem to remember something big and green...
I am subbing tyrant because they are:
a)fun to play
b)take some skill to play
c)are the only melee class with a chance against a ranged class
d)generally own other melee classes in PVP if played well
Work on your playstyle to adapt to the skills and penalties given to your class.
I think most classes become more and more balanced at higher lvl, i am talking about top lvl where you have achieved all class defining skills. The problem is lvling is taking too long, I wish the would remove the grind (for lvl and items) and so that will give players more time to get into server's politics and stuff. Right now, the only thing that I do when i log on is grind grind grind, in order to catch up with the higher lvl people and this is getting monotonic and tiring...but if i dont do it i will never see the end game contents before this game gets old ( and it is getting there, since people are leaving it for something else).
Tyrants are okay at beating daggers and archers, but that's it, and they aren't all that great at it. They are dead vs all other classes, especially nukers, and even healers that know what they are doing can avoid losing to a tyrant.
I'm talking high level here, 65+, the higher, the worse it gets.
doesnt know what he's saying
tyrants when played well have a fair chance to beat any class
there are no other melee classes that are so well balanced
BTW 8 out of 9 times a tyrant will beat me
you see punch of Doom stuns me, then if at that time I have fist of fury I'm stunned and loosing life by my self, then add to that the damage of a Mob or perhaps anyone in pvp I'm just not happy with the penalties
mainly I just have a problem with all the penalties which require for me to be drinking healing potions al the time, let's say I have fist of fury on why do I have to loose life? then I use punch of Doom then I get stuneed plus loosing life from fist of fury, I just have a problem with the penalties
ehhh I think they r good pentalities.. in PvE, give the tyrant vr and u just leave fist fury on, never lose hp. in PvP the 200 hp u loss is more than worth it for the atk spd.
doom panch is ur powerful attack that doesn't require charging and shouldn't be ur main attack.
Totems r meant to be changed every30 sec -1 min use em all
I still Don't agree with the penalties, I'm sure any other race does not have as much penalties as Tyrants, then again I would'nt know cause I have only played my Orc, but I just don't agree with getting stunned everytime i do punch of Doom and loose life instead of mp, then fist of fury drinking down my hp too? rabitt tottem takes too long to recharge and 1 minute of use lol what is that!!! NAH NO WAY NOT HAPPY WITH THE PENALTIES :mad:
If you're not happy then you have 3 choices. Change you playstyle using the advice of the other higher lvl tyrants in the game. (or) Reroll to another class and see just how other classes have it. (or) You can move on to another game entirely, this one I don't recomend.
As others have stated, the punch of doom is ment to be a last resort sort of skill just as auraflare was SUPPOSED to be ment as the same. Aurflare didn't have a penalty and therefore was seriously abused. The penalty of punch of doom is designed with that purpose in mind. If you could use punch of doom with no penalties, just as the nukers used to use auraflare, you would then find the tyrant being claimed as overpowered. I personally have watched as a tyrant has been able to take on 3 ppl of similar lvl and bring at least 1 - 2 of them down with him in pvp when played right. I'd call that a victory for a melee class in my book.
I still Don't agree with the penalties, I'm sure any other race does not have as much penalties as Tyrants, then again I would'nt know cause I have only played my Orc, but I just don't agree with getting stunned everytime i do punch of Doom and loose life instead of mp, then fist of fury drinking down my hp too? rabitt tottem takes too long to recharge and 1 minute of use lol what is that!!! NAH NO WAY NOT HAPPY WITH THE PENALTIES :mad:
The bunny is a last ditch escape move, same as UE/UD/LH. If you had the ability to spam this totem, and others, you would clearly be unstoppable at any and everything you do. Orcs shouldnt be able to run around with the insane evasion and run speed bunny gives all the time just cos you want it that way. If i could get a move which gives a constant atk speed buff and eats my HP on my gladiator, i wouldnt moan. Go re-roll to a more lame class if you dont like your own. loser.
This post is ridiculous... Tyrants are the best melee class in game as far as im concerned, If both pvpers have full buffs then the tyrant should own anything except maybe a destroyer.
The guy from the third post who doesn't use fist fury... You are ******ed, quit playing a tyrant and reroll a mage.
Punch of doom should be the last skill you use in pvp, and the rabbit totem should be the first, a good tyrant uses rabbit to run down archers/mages and land cripple/stun on em, then switch to puma and go to town. I love my tyrant, i rerolled a sorc and got it 4x and still never play it. high lvl tyrants FTW!!!
On open field, Tyrant that is played right should take a destroye r down. In confined rooms where kiting is not an option, destroyer has the advantage. But anyway, as people stated punch of doom is a last resort skill and thus the penalty for using it doesnt really matter that much. Rabbit totem is used to close the gap between you and your target, or to escape from the enemy and as such it doesnt need to be 20min long self buff. Tyrant is fine as it is, other classes need more tuning and loving.
If i wasnt loyal to humans i would have rerolled to a tyrant back in c2. I cant stand to be any other race as humans just look so **** cool.
Maybe ill sub class tyrant but humans in dual fists look so *****.
Orc tyrant ftw, all other classes ftl. Your moaning about a class you seem to know nothing about, how you managed to level that far i dont know...
It was said to the OP...
And i was a lvl 78 tyrant on PTS, granted it was a free boost but still got to play about with it for a month, and im very jealous of its 1337ness.
Then you should have seperated it from the rest of of your message, and perhaps not used my name as the reply target ;)If you reply to my name, and dont point your words to someone else I will assume that they're for me ^^ *is egoistic*
But yea, I think most of us agree that he is moaning about not being the all around superduperleet flying steamroller that can do a backward flip while launching spiritual snowballs from his hands.