BtB SA and sub-40 buffers...

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I put a Crystal Staff: Bless the Body on a 30-ish buffer. No dice--the spell ability doesn't seem to go off. Supposedly it's a 20% chance to trigger, so after a few dozen spells, I think it's fair to assume that it should have worked by now.

Known confounds: casting using a macro; casting on myself.
I do not believe either is the deciding factor, but in case someone asks, there you go.

Anyone ever heard of Special Abilities being disabled due to a grade penalty? It's news to me...not that big a deal since he probably won't be in that level range for long, but it's still a little odd.
They are disabled....Or at least I believe so-- I recall handling S grade on the PTS while my character was still level 75. The mana bonus the jewels provided didn't function.
yes you cant use set bonuses from higher grade stuff.
That documented anywhere, or just one of those surprise quirks?
(and I assume Jilly meant to include weapon SA's, not just sets)
Yeah it's called "Grade Penalty" ;)

Yeah it's called "Grade Penalty" ;)

Do show me where it says that, won't you?
one of those unwritten rules in this game; you cant use SA's at all (except on CMG) before 40, set bonuses are REDUCED but still active all within the confines of one little debuff -- Grade Penalty.

one of those unwritten rules in this game; you cant use SA's at all (except on CMG) before 40, set bonuses are REDUCED but still active all within the confines of one little debuff -- Grade Penalty.

Thanks, that's what I was suspecting. So before 40, SA's don't work...is that a graded thing or just a single quirk?
In other words, would a B-grade SA work for a level 40 character? Not sets or item bonuses, just the SA...


one of those unwritten rules in this game; you cant use SA's at all (except on CMG) before 40, set bonuses are REDUCED but still active all within the confines of one little debuff -- Grade Penalty.

Thanks, that's what I was suspecting. So before 40, SA's don't work...is that a graded thing or just a single quirk?
In other words, would a B-grade SA work for a level 40 character? Not sets or item bonuses, just the SA...

likewise, B doest work if you are C class, and A wont if you are B class. doubly so if you are c using A.
Hero SA's dont work on ur lvl 75 subs either, it made me sad.
Yea last nite I put my [censored] + acumen on my human wizard to see cast speed.

It stayed the same :confused:

Yea last nite I put my [censored] + acumen on my human wizard to see cast speed.

It stayed the same :confused:

LOL @ [censored} H0M0
omg.. I didn't even preview the post or look at it after I posted.. um.. yea.. the <censored> is the lil red ugly sword for mages.
Why is the word h0m0 censored, its not a dirty word is it? Is NcSoft h0m0phobic?? It can be used as an insult but so can the word spanner, you gunna censor that next? Stop screwin with my language!
Given that it's a "Homunkulus's Sword", I've always thought the abbreviation that gets censored was just a high-school sense of humor anyway ;)

I'm glad to see that I wasn't doing anything wrong with the BtB SA, and it's good that now this information is where it can theoretically be found, but it's unfortunate the trial and error is the only method to determine these things.
This is mentioned in the Knowledge Base (http://support.plaync.com/cgi-bin/plaync.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1257&p_created=1104790988) --

You must have the appropriate weapon grade expertise in order for the weapon enchantment to work properly. If you attempt to equip an enchanted weapon for a character that does not have expertise for that weapon grade, you will not receive any enhancement to your attributes or any of the special ability that comes with the weapon.

This is mentioned in the Knowledge Base (http://support.plaync.com/cgi-bin/plaync.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1257&p_created=1104790988) --

You must have the appropriate weapon grade expertise in order for the weapon enchantment to work properly. If you attempt to equip an enchanted weapon for a character that does not have expertise for that weapon grade, you will not receive any enhancement to your attributes or any of the special ability that comes with the weapon.


Yep. I noticed this when I gave my Prophet's mana up staff to my (then) SO. No mana bonus.

This is mentioned in the Knowledge Base (http://support.plaync.com/cgi-bin/plaync.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1257&p_created=1104790988) --

You must have the appropriate weapon grade expertise in order for the weapon enchantment to work properly. If you attempt to equip an enchanted weapon for a character that does not have expertise for that weapon grade, you will not receive any enhancement to your attributes or any of the special ability that comes with the weapon.

Cool, thank you, Mistryl. At least it's documented somewhere :)

Now, if only that showed up in the description of a grade penalty in-game...what do you say? ;)


This is mentioned in the Knowledge Base (http://support.plaync.com/cgi-bin/plaync.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1257&p_created=1104790988) --

You must have the appropriate weapon grade expertise in order for the weapon enchantment to work properly. If you attempt to equip an enchanted weapon for a character that does not have expertise for that weapon grade, you will not receive any enhancement to your attributes or any of the special ability that comes with the weapon.

Cool, thank you, Mistryl. At least it's documented somewhere :)

Now, if only that showed up in the description of a grade penalty in-game...what do you say? ;)


What? Do you want some kind of Prima guide or something?

Strange, on my Prophet (and when she was a Cleric) whenever I first sign on, there's a grade penalty icon on the screen. It goes away after a few seconds but it always shows up. Doesn't do that for any other toons... :confused:
i get the grade penalty button on my EE sometimes as well... and her CP is always a little damaged upon logging in, i had always assumed that was a bug from my +4 CON tat on her, where the game didnt register the extra CP till after O.o but still wierd