Does any one have any legit ideas on how to deal with this. Its starting to become a major problem. And no, everyone reporting them aint going to work. We need to solve this in the same manner DK was delt with. I could care less them taking 2-3 here or there but they are nabbing them all every day. And they have them down to the respawn times. So please people come up with some constructive ideas. And lets not get into who you saw using what 3rd party prgrm or the same old lines about who pked who at what raid. Cuz this is affecting us all.
There's a thread about this on the site that shall not be named. I believe someone is asking Alliances to take a day and lay the smackdown on them on thier day.
It's Lightsword btw, not lightsaber. They have now formed an alliance.
It was really sweet when I was at home for lunch about 20 min ago.. the server came back up, and they were massing in Aden.
I hope nobody was planning on doing any raiding tonight, because the bosses are going to be down. :)
Most of those guys magically disappeared. I did see a couple groups of em heading into the Varka Silenos Outpost last night.. It didn't look like enough to take down a RB, but hey who knows.
Why do people complain about this? Who knows if they're using some program this or that. From what I've seen, when I ask for buffs, they buff me, when I say hello, most of them say hello. It is no program.
They raid like anybody else, and they happen to do only THAT. They are normally on time and get the job done, so what. Its fun to race them to the raid boss etc. When they PK its only for protection of the raids boss. Also they seem to help several people with the Noblesse quest. I'm not their spokes-person either, just saying what I think.
Why do people complain about this? Who knows if they're using some program this or that. From what I've seen, when I ask for buffs, they buff me, when I say hello, most of them say hello. It is no program.
They raid like anybody else, and they happen to do only THAT. They are normally on time and get the job done, so what. Its fun to race them to the raid boss etc. When they PK its only for protection of the raids boss. Also they seem to help several people with the Noblesse quest. I'm not their spokes-person either, just saying what I think.
Wow.. we've done 2 or 3 raids since C4 went live, but have had a terrible time finding bosses up. Or when we do it seems we have to race the farmers to get to them.
Ahhhhh
Not again. Cant yall pull your egos out for a sec.
Wether or not they buff you is not the point The point is all the high lvl raids are gone every day and NO aliance can do any of them. With exception to Anthras, Bium, and the new one It is almost impossible to a lvl 65+ rb up for more than 10-15min cuz they know the respawn time andthey have scouts sitting at all the rb. And what makes them different is the fact that all they do is farm raidboses.
And I dont think killing them is going to work. They got no probs going red. And with 4+ nuker partys they aint goign to die that easy. I think declare war on them get some OL and silence the crap out of them. Let the raid bosses whipe them. Thus preventing you from going red. And making them drop items instead.
Note.. Switch works well on RB's. Stunning the tank works equally well, but you should know the person who does it is going to die. Silencing the healers also works.
I've heard of several people who got decent drops off of them.
Here's how it works.
If we can't get drops of RB's we're gonna get drops off of the RB farmers. The drop rate is almost as good anyhow.
Anyone who knows these guys, you might want to give them a heads up. No raids for them between noon and midnight EST. That should make the rest of the server population happy enough not to bother with em.
drugs are sold between a dealer and a user, both are illegal and are done for need. user for fix dealer for money, which a normal person is going to try and help the dealer or the user?
either you stop the ebayer or you stop the Raid Farmer. YOUR CHOICE!!
Has it been hard to find raid mobs? hell yes it has... Like what has been said on the other site... we have fought them for Raid Bosses... Problem that is starting to happen, is they are figuring out that the server population is low at times and killing the RBs then, so there are less people to fight them...
No they dont care about going red, or dying off their red... they just kill keep killing you... It has been suggested that they might be actually Alts of some Major alliance on the server, who knows they might be... If it is true then I feel for the alliance, this sure is a better way of getting the server to hate you then locking AL was in C2 by EAA...
can we fight them? yes... Can you raid? yes... you just have to have the people on to do so and scout the RBs and be quick about killing them... also be on the look out... they will come and kill you while you are killing the RB...
to be Honest, I would like to see them gone... saves me from having to waste the time leveling Sin Eaters... but till then we will keep killing them...
The next question is... would everyone be as upset if it was a normal alliance doing this same thing? or would it just give you someone to yell at about killing all the RBs?
The differeance is its not a normal alliance. Could a normal alinace do it. Mabey a few days a week but not every day every raidboss. I think thats more the problem than anything. LIke i said i could care less about them doing a few of them every so often. And FYI im in LCN I know how often we do raids. And I know the frustration when we are all grouped up to raid and there arnt any of them around.
There's one problem with you idea. In the c3 war system this would work beautifully. However with the new broken c4 system aoe does not work unless everyone within range of the aoe is flagged, even in a 2-way war. If you search these forums you'll see the posts of OL's and WL's complaining about how they now feel useless in 2-way wars since their biggest weapons don't work.
To silence them you'll need necro's and SH's and get them in a 2-way war since a one-way war is just regular pvp with the declared side only losing 1% if they die to the enemy clan. Way to screw up the war system NCSoft.
Magicsword ally is mostly some irl friends and thats what they do is do raidbosses. They xp too. Seen them xping in FG.
MagicSword and Toxcity hate eachother though. Both do raidbosses. Whether some alliance gets any benefits from them or not I cant say. But I know Magicsword you can atleast somewhat talk to about things.
Before they came around pretti much it was M vs N for raidbosses... but both forces arent what they once were, and sure they can do raids. Alot of allies could do raids... its just they dont have 24/7 numbers on to try and do them anymore.
Banning them wont help... sure we might get like 2 weeks but 1-40 on a mage legit u can do in a week or less. So they get a full force bak up in no time and just start doing it again.
Somehow we need to be able to time raidbosses better so we can take them down before they do.
There not bad people though its just what they do in game so if you want raidboss fight for it. I mean if for example Syn wanted a raid and someone was there they have 3 choices i can think of.
1.) pvp
2.) give up on it and leave
3.) or try to kill the raid to and hope u out dmg the other side.
Tannis, I considered that these guys might be alts of a major alliance on the server, but I really doubt it. Mostly because of the hours they keep. ie: I saw at least 30 of them today at 12pm EST right after the server came back up, and they were getting ready to head out.
If it were all bots like Toxicity used to be, I'd say that it could be anyone.. hell 4 people each with a 9 man party could easily do any RB. Problem is it's not all bots. A large portion of them are actually being played.
TO do what they do, you'd have to have no job, no school, and be commited to doing Raid Bosses nearly 24/7. I have trouble thinking that rel players could be behind it.. they'd be taking at least a little time off now and again.
say you are right bigs, who can do this game 24/7 every day, even people on vacation would get sick of it. and if its what everyone suspects it and its earning them living. what can ya do? they fight to survive... litterally. and they are smart. yes having a man game and not a animal game is man's most popular sport he he he.
back to the thing: what to do about it? (ingame)
I've seen alot about this and at the moment I dont play due to a broken comp. When I did play this was a minor problem.
I read that some think that they are alts ofa major alliance? I highly doubt anyof the major alliances onthe server could pull this off. Although if it is true...hats off to any alliance that thought of/could pull it off hey would deserve it lol.
But at anyrate banning them obviously=nothing the only way that seems it would work is all of you declaring war and just killing them and doing the RB's while having parties around soley there for killing the farmers when they come back to get you. my 2 cents
I've always thought that this MagicSword duo were the farmers who did RB's, got the drops, sold the drops, then sold the adena online. If I'm right, it's more than just them taking every raid boss; they're doing illegitimate things with their rewards from the RB's. Then again, I have no proof on that matter, but it seems to be the most practical reason for them to be doing the RB's as such.
I've always thought that this MagicSword duo were the farmers who did RB's, got the drops, sold the drops, then sold the adena online. If I'm right, it's more than just them taking every raid boss; they're doing illegitimate things with their rewards from the RB's. Then again, I have no proof on that matter, but it seems to be the most practical reason for them to be doing the RB's as such.
I've talked to arrogantsky (their boss) a few times. He told me if he got banned again we would come back as a player not a farmer. Not sure if this would still be true, but he is a cool guy and I would love to see him not as a farmer ^^
Every clan / ally here ( except GG and republic ) whining around dont have the right to.
I PMt almost every Leader of the allys or at least an officer about a project i tried to start about it.
There is also a post in the not named board but already on page 2 cause as it seems people arent interested in working thereselves.
Its hard to say that .. but you are all too lazy to whine.
Maybe your leaders are .. i dunno but i am really upset i didnt get any feedback till the days i asked for.
I tried to organize it ... i had a nice plan ... as it seems it will fail.
Good job all .. just think about how other bring YOU the solution so that you can do Raids again.
Best plan of all is lazyness ... grml
For me there will be no solution if you dont help all and we work aour a plan.
Here is someone wanna do it .. i have a concept with which we can raid again .. i am only missing your feedback.
We tried it btw ... with fast reaction .. yes.. we got 3 Bosses.
But we lost 2 otw to them.
They are very very fast ... with their EE in every group they are also out fast.
Forget about pvp in small groups ... Our OLs silence didnt land on about 90% of them .. we tried it .. they have full buffs and it wont.
If you are interested in a solution .. just PM me ingame or on the board here.
If not .. stop whining.
Pls only leaders and officers who can handle to get their ally in PvP action for 1 day in the week.
And yes, they are getting stronger and stronger every day.
I would bet with you that in 3 weeks there are at least 1-2 more clan in the alliance and that they start locking down RBs in 1-2 months.
And they arent idiots and as it seems self played people.
When we heard ruldelto is up now ... we ported with a ~25 ppl group to AL to lock the entrance and kill them if they wanna pass.
unluckily we forgot the event gk and they ported in behind our backs and where out 2 mins later ... we even didnt reach them in this time.
Thats all for now .. think about if you wanna be just a whiner or if you wanna try to keep up the fun on gustin.
Also think about what Raids are for your ally.
Is it only money ?
No, its also an event where the ally works together and where your ally gets unity from.
An ally without common events will break .. i am sure about it.
Hmpf, so much to write .. but too angry.
Dont think you cant do anything about it .. stress your leaders .. flood your board .. i need feedback ... its almost too late cause they are already very strong.
However concerning RR & lightsword, we will just continue to fight them while performing our organisation.
Maybe in this RBs run, we will be more effective soon.
Still hoping for help, from others alliances which will have fun to fight them and petition them as soon as something go against the EULA ( holy system >< ).
DeSalv0r, you really think that 1 day of the week will get rid of them? We will go out there and kill them and maybe they won't do any raid bosses that day, but the next day they will go at it again. You will have to do this every single day until they give up and that's not gonna happen. If you want a raid boss get your respawns times right and be there in time and if they are there, fight for it...they will flag back.
the plan is that every day they will be killed by another alliance... so they will be hunted EVERY day
the plan is good, but every alliance have to work together.
if they become stronger we dont have any chance to kill them.. they are extremle good orginized.
They will flag if attack their RBs.. try it ;)
I am not going to sit and argue if they are a problem, they are. They get to the boss within 5 minutes of it popping and its taken down. They do this with at least 40-50 raid bosses, so if you guys want to sit and waste your time arguing about just beating them to a raid boss do it, im sure youll get frustrated when yourself or a clannie is waiting for a helm drop and you have a 5% chance because of these farmers.
DeSalv0r had a great idea and today Republic will be out % healing, flagging, pk'ing, tricking aggro and outright griefing these **** raid boss farmers. So instead of [censored] about this and that talk to your alliance leadership, pm desalv0r a day you can contribute to a server wide problem and we can beat these guys together.
We're taking Wed. as our day. Looking forward to the fun actually.
A couple ideas.. Trick works on RB's, and you don't even have to flag.
To put it simply, it is the opinion of GG that if they are going to be so aggressive in farming raid bosses that we will be unable to take any on our couple days a week raiding that we will instead farm the farmers.
These guys do XP in addition to farming, and we intend to grief them there also.
I don't care how fast and strong they are, there's no way they can take the abuse of the top 10 alliances on the server constantly griefing them.
Piece of advice, bring enough people to wipe them out pvp style because if they know they have enough numbers to pk you, they will. They have learned from their mistakes. They pk yukiyo on sight now unless we got a force to back it up. When you have a party of mages assist to someone, they are instadead.
Piece of advice, bring enough people to wipe them out pvp style because if they know they have enough numbers to pk you, they will. They have learned from their mistakes. They pk yukiyo on sight now unless we got a force to back it up. When you have a party of mages assist to someone, they are instadead.
Thanks for the tip! We intend to roll on them with our full alliance during our day, but I'll warn my guys to keep be careful.
hehe yeah a full party of mages hurts like hell, I stunned their tank once by myself.. it's amazing how fast 7k++ of HP and CP can drain down to 0. lol
I have never tried the switch on RB. Just mainly % heal the boss and buff them with prophet buffs. Bless Body, regen, resist wind and magic barrier. Don't forget to zerk the farmers tank and try to put mage buffs on him to overbuff him.(invigor, concentration, acumen, resist w/e, kiss of eva) If they stop attacking the tank and RB starts to go nuts to wipe them all out, get ur members to hit the farmers with no weapon that are trying to force log. You want keep as many of them ingame as you can so to get as many killed as possible.
I have never tried the switch on RB. Just mainly % heal the boss and buff them with prophet buffs. Bless Body, regen, resist wind and magic barrier. Don't forget to zerk the farmers tank and try to put mage buffs on him to overbuff him.(invigor, concentration, acumen, resist w/e, kiss of eva) If they stop attacking the tank and RB starts to go nuts to wipe them all out, get ur members to hit the farmers with no weapon that are trying to force log. You want keep as many of them ingame as you can so to get as many killed as possible.
hehe Force Logging is against the EULA as I recall, so if they want to go down that path, that's just fine with me.
hehe Force Logging is against the EULA as I recall, so if they want to go down that path, that's just fine with me.
Good luck proving that or getting a gm to respond to it. The farmers don't care about dying, they care about not getting the RB. So if you can successfully stop them from doing the bosses, they will get ******. They have alts logged in at every RB **** near to check to see if its up so its becoming hard to beat them to the bosses.
Yeah.. chances are we're not going to be able to totally stop them, but we should be able to slow them down some.
I'm looking at it this way.
Their motivation is 100% to make cash.
They make cash by getting adena as easy as possible and selling it to morons.
So the goal should be to interrupt thier ability to make cash, and/or cut into their profits.
For starters I'm confident there will be some mass petitions going out. For those of you who are out there, but do not wish to be involved, keep on eye on the site that shall not be named for screenies, and petition the ******** whenever you get a chance. Every account that has to be repurchased, releveled, and regeared is a major hit in the profits.
Next, grief them. For those of you who are a bit more active, grief these ********. Every piece of dropped gear is another dip into thier profits.
Next, slow them down. PK the ********, force them to PvP, and just randomly kill them. Slowing down their kill speed is again a hit in the profits. This has a possible side effect of forcing them to buy better gear such as jewelry that they would normally purchase just to do RB's. Yet again, another hit in the profits.
To put it simply, they are farming RB's because it is profitable. Take away that profit, and they will stop.
The most obvious way to get them to go away is to get people to stop ebaying, but there are so many losers who can't play the economic portion of this game that I doubt this will ever happen. I'd like to see a few dozen people get banned for ebaying, if NCSoft sent a periodic message it would probably go along way on this.
Anyhow. If you want to do something, but don't feel you can, for whatever reason, then at the least grab some names off the screenies on the other site and just report them occasionally.
If you want to do more, if you prefer a more active approach, contact Desalv0r and get your clan/alliance singed up for a day to grief these ********!!
hehe happy hunting people of Gustin, and good luck on those drops!! (FTR I have heard several stories of peeps getting nice drops off of them, so it can definitely be done!!)
I have never tried the switch on RB. Just mainly % heal the boss and buff them with prophet buffs. Bless Body, regen, resist wind and magic barrier. Don't forget to zerk the farmers tank and try to put mage buffs on him to overbuff him.(invigor, concentration, acumen, resist w/e, kiss of eva) If they stop attacking the tank and RB starts to go nuts to wipe them all out, get ur members to hit the farmers with no weapon that are trying to force log. You want keep as many of them ingame as you can so to get as many killed as possible.
hehe Force Logging is against the EULA as I recall, so if they want to go down that path, that's just fine with me.
Force Logging is against the EULA? Kinda lame imo. There is a legit way to do it. =.=
You can do it easily with just one computer. The thing is, you are using an out of game method for an in game effect.
Wasn't my idea that it is against the rules, it's the GM's idea.
IMO they should build in a 2 minute delay when you log in on the same account so that force logging doesn't work at all and your toon is stuck in the game for the full 2 minutes... hehe
You can do it easily with just one computer. The thing is, you are using an out of game method for an in game effect.
Wasn't my idea that it is against the rules, it's the GM's idea.
IMO they should build in a 2 minute delay when you log in on the same account so that force logging doesn't work at all and your toon is stuck in the game for the full 2 minutes... hehe
how is it an out of game way to do it? You load up the game and you log in. What i think I know what you mean, but it would be an in game cause for an out of server effect. You are in game once you open Lineage 2. When you see your character you are in the server.
2 minutes is ok. me thinks the reason you can force log a character is if say you logged in at home and went to a lan place to play lineage you can still play at that place. I hope you didnt lose me in there :)
what thaty could do and is far easier to implement is: if a user attempts to forcelog from a same ip adress he would not be able to do so. he could only do it from the computer that has active (loged on) account.
no flag is now out of question who ever comes close seems hes getting roasted happy hunting. :D
Well they are definitely NOT bots, we challenged toxicity, lightsword, and rollsroyce in TOI. First it was toxicity going to do the boss on their own, then rollsroyce showed up and ganked them when it was almost dead ROFL. Then rollsroyce and lightsword joined forces to take the boss down... Of course we couldn't resist attacking all of them, but they beat us with numbers. Fun nonetheless...
I do find it odd that they all CDL at the same time, haven't figured that out. But, if you try to steal their loot, or even go close to the raid boss only a couple of them attack you... They don't all assist one player, they attack different minions at the same time. They don't all autofollow eachother either. And I don't know how they can manage to pvp if they're all "automated."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy that they farm all the raid bosses either, but I'm just saying that people are assuming they are "automated."
Two of my clannies got 36 Tallum glaive edges ^^ another one got a tallum helmet.
I got a few dyes here and there, before they understood what I was doing there, lol... Now I just get insta-dropped whenever I get to close...
A discussion we had going in DW was the following:
What's more effective and faster to do? PK-ing the tank, or killing his healers?
Both thing will result in the RB going MAD and killing all the mages...
My opinion is that killing the healers will be the faster thing to do. With an archer or two and a BD, this is 4 shots. The healers are dead before the mages see you're killing them. Next thing is tank dies, or runs out of MP. RB goes after the mages.
If you're stong enough, you could just PK the tank.
I'll jump in whenever you guys are raiding the RB farmers. PM davinc ingame when you're at it :)
They are now growing a fresh batch of new Lightsword members on alligator island....they were all seated and huddled around a tree in their newb gear !
Ok, so ...
we had our day yesturday and honetlsy i am dissapointed.
We tried a tactic what doesnt work that well.
We had 4 groups in aden church ready for action almost whole the evening ( i know some people were wondering about us praying all the day ^^ ).
We kept buffs up and set up spys at some important portpoints from event gk and from regular one.
The problem is :
a) we didnt have enough spys .. we need to improve our information system.
b) they werent too active yesturday...
I will imrpove that ..
If you wanna join the action register at our board and PM me ingame or wherever ( pls only leaders or people who are manangning raids / pvp from ally ) and ill give you acces to our RR hunt boards.
There we will imrpove tactics, communication etc ...
Ok, we didnt reach much yesturday .. we need to work together to get it planned good.
Ahh, dont forget .. only people who are in an ally who will take a day in the week for RR hunts will get acces.
Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday .. taken.
for bots to take such an agrasive action to get major adena, ncsoft must be doing something good afterall. and all of you wanted to do a bit of "/$*(&?% to them. now when alive and in open you have that chance.
enjoy your hunts fighters of gustin.
storm guard, resist wind, warding and magic barrier ftw. I was tanking there entire rollsroyce/lightsword crew with my ol, btw word of advice they dont use ageis, so seal of suspension and seal of silence owns them
oh btw, these farmers used to be appawling at actual pvp, yes they would pk you if you let them, but if you actually fought them with organization they used to suck horribly. However over last couple days or so they have been getting better...now they are on par with some of the nuetral clans pvp skills. i cant wait you for you guys to 55555555 some more when they actually get better
Ok, as it seems this topic was getting too uninteresting for most of the allys on gustin.
I thank all the people who tried to fight them and didnt give up ( even if we were not that many ) but as it seems we must surrender.
Nobody here gets his lazy aass up to just help improving gustin and work on the future.
All are only working on their egoistic goals.
The replys i got were so small but i know now, which allys are there when you need to work together for a target destryling our server and economy.
Thx to :
GuardiansGate
Republic
Invictus
Requiem
( yes, we werent more ^^ ).
And i can tell you from our near past experiences :
Raid at saturday :
We ported in when bossmob respawned.
They ported in.
We had people camping portpoint and killing all imcoming RR.
They came more and more and more and more and had about 40-50 people there within 1-2 minutes.
-> pvp .. many Reds .. many killed -> Raid failed.
Raid Monday :
We ported in when boss respawned.
They saw us porting.
They sent us kamikaze healers all the time and buffers / tanks disturbing.
They didnt stop it -> Raid failed.
So ... without anymore help i am not sure we can beat them.
I will try changing some things but i am really dissapointed from other allys dont get their own lazyness off.
You all will see that nobody cant raid soon.
Ok, thats all from me .. but pls dont whine about them if you didnt do anything against it ... whenever i see a post whining about RR from one i never saw helping ill flame really bad.
The differeance is its not a normal alliance. Could a normal alinace do it. Mabey a few days a week but not every day every raidboss. I think thats more the problem than anything. LIke i said i could care less about them doing a few of them every so often. And FYI im in LCN I know how often we do raids. And I know the frustration when we are all grouped up to raid and there arnt any of them around.
well everything you said was right about desalvador why someone must help you your ally must deal with these dudes just make a lot of partys and when you find em pk em and leave from that place now for the vampire raid boss(dont remember name but really looks cool)i saw what happend from methaurios screen well when you pk em all in first time you should leave later i dont know i dont like RR and Lightsword guys but i will not play with em also they are many of em maybe 2 deal with that guys is when they are raiding pk their tank and their healers and the rest will die easy i think they allways come with 1 tank if im right they are most nukers ally
Ok, gimme a video when you whiped them deadly ...
you will see they are hard to catch.
We had some pvp groups standing ready and buffed all the evening and some spys at RBs.
Whenever they are spotted they are done too fast.
You wont catch them in no time .... at least not on your own.
And the problem is not that I want help.
The problem is that every ally ( except the allys working together with them ) need help but they are too lazy to get their *** up.
Thats the problem .. they think this problem will solve from its own or that there is someone who is working on it .. so they dont care.
Tell me 1 alliance ( except the allys doing RBs like antharas and except the allys working with LS and RR ) which has nice raids full of RBs in the last weeks.
But they are all only complaining about it and sit down with their heads down.
Whats that ?
A game based on fighting where you cant get people to fight ?
Maybe this content is too strange for the people .. working together to prevent our server from being controlled by a Farmer group ...LOL
Sorry deadlycritical, but dont try to get me in a "need help" position.
I just said the people who dont care dont have to complain about their own lazyness.
Thats it.
Be sure .. i am working on a system getting our alliance to Raids and fun ...
if the others dont .. i dont care anymore and i dont let them participate on our system.
Thats it ...
Ok, gimme a video when you whiped them deadly ...
you will see they are hard to catch.
We had some pvp groups standing ready and buffed all the evening and some spys at RBs.
Whenever they are spotted they are done too fast.
You wont catch them in no time .... at least not on your own.
And the problem is not that I want help.
The problem is that every ally ( except the allys working together with them ) need help but they are too lazy to get their *** up.
Thats the problem .. they think this problem will solve from its own or that there is someone who is working on it .. so they dont care.
Tell me 1 alliance ( except the allys doing RBs like antharas and except the allys working with LS and RR ) which has nice raids full of RBs in the last weeks.
But they are all only complaining about it and sit down with their heads down.
Whats that ?
A game based on fighting where you cant get people to fight ?
Maybe this content is too strange for the people .. working together to prevent our server from being controlled by a Farmer group ...LOL
Sorry deadlycritical, but dont try to get me in a "need help" position.
I just said the people who dont care dont have to complain about their own lazyness.
Thats it.
Be sure .. i am working on a system getting our alliance to Raids and fun ...
if the others dont .. i dont care anymore and i dont let them participate on our system.
Thats it ...
well i have spot em many times RR and LS most of time are in places arround aden if i want i can pk em i will lvl my sineater today and burn my pks and then i will pk em and send you ss i cannot belive that in arround 200 RBs that la2 has you cannot find RBs 2 kill also i dont know how many RBs each ally kill and i dont care now about pvps maybe someguys scared for -1 or -4% i dont care about xp im avaliable every time for pvp if want pm me 2 go hunt em together and think about that i said you for RBs pk their tank and healers because they mostly farming RBs with 1 tank healers and nukers and i think that the RB will do the rest you sound 2 me little ****** about this dudes
There are ways of dealing with this problem. GG is currently exploring several methods of encouraging them to go make thier money in some other game.
It boils down to this:
They are motivated to be here because it is how they earn a living. Take away thier motivation and/or eat into their profits enough and they will go away.
We are in the process of planning a multi-pronged assault on them. When we have a firm workable plan, I will be getting in touch with the other alliance leaders on the server to share it.
Those of you who don't raid or don't care should consider that these guys are eating into your profits by undercutting you on the market. They are also controlling the market for higher end items by controlling the supply. Next time you want an A grade weapon or helmet, that's something you should consider.
Last, but not least you should consider the fact that it is by these peoples actions that your members consider turning to outside sources to get adena. Remove them and the market will be opened back up to real players.
I've seen a good many people express the opinion that we are helpless against them, and they would like to think that, because if you do, you give them the win without ever showing up to the match.
There are ways of dealing with this problem. GG is currently exploring several methods of encouraging them to go make thier money in some other game.
It boils down to this:
They are motivated to be here because it is how they earn a living. Take away thier motivation and/or eat into their profits enough and they will go away.
We are in the process of planning a multi-pronged assault on them. When we have a firm workable plan, I will be getting in touch with the other alliance leaders on the server to share it.
Those of you who don't raid or don't care should consider that these guys are eating into your profits by undercutting you on the market. They are also controlling the market for higher end items by controlling the supply. Next time you want an A grade weapon or helmet, that's something you should consider.
Last, but not least you should consider the fact that it is by these peoples actions that your members consider turning to outside sources to get adena. Remove them and the market will be opened back up to real players.
I've seen a good many people express the opinion that we are helpless against them, and they would like to think that, because if you do, you give them the win without ever showing up to the match.
If you buy a weapon straight up form a vendor at that high of a grade then your supporting them twice, first off if you got that kind of money to blow on a wepon you probably didnt "WORK" for it *wink wink* because if you did you would know how much of a B!*ch it is to farm adena and would rather spend the time questing for the recipe and crafting ti on your own that is actual money in there pockets second when you buy the wepon you simply give them the merchandise abck viscious cycle
need to address the ebayers and we all know we got tons of them
Farmer problem is a simple supply and demand issue. There would be no farmers if everyone would stop buying Adena, but thats not gonna happen so this problem will never go away. Need to start pointing the finger at the players for blame before the farmers in all honesty.
There's no way to argue that point, because it's **** sure true.
What we can do though is force the farmers to play by our rules and get back down in the dungeons no one wants to xp in and earn their adena the old fashioned way.
It has been done before, it just takes a firm hand.
It only makes sense for a farmer to do whatever is most profitable for them, right now, farming raid bosses is it. I'd imagine if we dip into that profit enough, they'll see the light and go back where they belong.
The problem is resources and organization. Farmers have more time, people and organization. The thing is they have characters sitting at Raid Bosses watching for them to spawn. Soon as it spawns they are off to the races. You need to combat them with numbers and time. Have to have everyone working together to stop them and I think thats unlikely. Reason is the factors needed to do this is the proper people (classes)online when this happens and people willing to give up their time to do this. Its a rosey idea but the plain truth of it all is most people have higher priorites then dealing with farmers. Hell, I bet there are alot of people happy the farmers are doing the raid bosses because now the farmers have flooded the market with A grade resulting in lower prices and increase in availability of items. Remember, before it was pretty much Mal and NM doing Raid Bosses. The bosses just sat there till we got around to doing them. When we did them we would outfit our members with the gear hence increasing the gear/level gap with the rest of the server. Check it out now, I see people hunting in FP and FG in full A grade including their buffers...
Other people may argue because of the farmers doing the raid bosses then there is no waste of items. Meaning, like I said before how the raid bosses would sit and wait for us to kill them. Sometimes they would sit there for a few days till we bothered to kill them. If the farmers kill them all the time, market will be filled with A grade in no time.
I would like nothing more then to get rid of these **** farmers but I am just being realistic about the situation and viewing it from all angles.
I see your point, I even agree with it to a certain extent. More gear on the market is a good thing.
Being forced to buy it from the farmers because they have the drops on lockdown is a very bad thing. To me, what they are doing is no different than if they put TOI on lockdown.
Back in the day when it was M and NM raiding, the majority of the rest of us weren't in a position to do the higher level bosses, hell we had trouble with the 55-60 ones, so yeah they sometimes sat for days until you guys got to it.
I don't think that's really the case any more. Especially since they've made the raid bosses a little easier.
I've talked to several of the mid size alliances (like mine) and all of them are saying, "yeah we try to raid once or twice a week, but there's no bosses.."
IMO what happens is the players get to feeling that they'll never get thier A grade. The quests are pretty much broken if you're trying to equip 30 people, I mean it can be done, but it's going to take ages. Can you imagine if you would have had to equip all of M in A grade through the quests alone?
At least in C4 we have access to the jewelry and weapon drops, so that's a big plus, but still no mercy when it comes to the armor.
Fortunately there are several things that can be done to combat these guys. Some takes organization and teamwork, some can actually be done by individuals.
I've gotten several pm's from people who say they want to do something. Some of those folks don't want to get directly involved in PVP, and that's cool, there's plenty of passive things that can be done to combat them. You know stuff like spying, reporting, watching for XP spots and all that.
Lately it seems that most of the bot parties have gotten smart, they'll step aside for a couple hours and let a real party farm a room. Less strife for them even if it means a couple hours lost farming = more profit. The raid boss farmers need to learn that same lesson.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. If these guys got smart and stopped farming the bosses between noon and midnight eastern time, they probably wouldn't have the slightest problem. No one would care. As it stands though, if they want to take the bosses down during the majority of players prime time then they take the risk of incurring the wrath of a good many players.
Other people may argue because of the farmers doing the raid bosses then there is no waste of items. Meaning, like I said before how the raid bosses would sit and wait for us to kill them. Sometimes they would sit there for a few days till we bothered to kill them. If the farmers kill them all the time, market will be filled with A grade in no time.
much as i hate to agree with lickn this is the fact of the matter
raid boss farmers are actually benifiting alot of us
havent checked lately but i bet ige rates are either lower or will be lower pretty soon
take away the farmers and alot of bosses will prolly stay there for days leaveing the larger alliances to profit from over priced items while the little guy suffers
the options are pretty slim
go out and risk xp and adena fighting them (while loseing xp trying to find em)
report them and wait the 3 months it takes for a ban only to have them botted up again in a few weeks
dont buy from them (pretty much impossible with all the untagged dorfs in giran)
dont upgrade equipment (yeah right what do you think ige exists for)
give up and admit lineage is a lost cause were the more you align yourself with farmers the better off you will be
Other people may argue because of the farmers doing the raid bosses then there is no waste of items. Meaning, like I said before how the raid bosses would sit and wait for us to kill them. Sometimes they would sit there for a few days till we bothered to kill them. If the farmers kill them all the time, market will be filled with A grade in no time.
much as i hate to agree with lickn this is the fact of the matter
raid boss farmers are actually benifiting alot of us
havent checked lately but i bet ige rates are either lower or will be lower pretty soon
take away the farmers and alot of bosses will prolly stay there for days leaveing the larger alliances to profit from over priced items while the little guy suffers
the options are pretty slim
go out and risk xp and adena fighting them (while loseing xp trying to find em)
report them and wait the 3 months it takes for a ban only to have them botted up again in a few weeks
dont buy from them (pretty much impossible with all the untagged dorfs in giran)
dont upgrade equipment (yeah right what do you think ige exists for)
give up and admit lineage is a lost cause were the more you align yourself with farmers the better off you will be
You would give up before even attempting to fight?
You would give up before even attempting to fight?
man i'd love to fight most ppl have seen me take countless deaths to toxicity and dk just so i could pick up a few k of their mob drops or ks their trains
fact of the matter is i cant help at all
when i play noone else is on thats when RR is hitting the raid bosses the hardest
they know when peek time is and exploit that fact, knowing that all the major alliances need to do is leave the raid boss up for 12 hours and they can time-shift it into crappy euro or asian respawn time when noone is on
im a ws so my raid boss fights are limited (actually only 3 includeing event raids)
truth is i dont care which major alliance pwns every single boss 24/7
nor do i care if no other alliance ever gets to do a raid again
if they can do it good for them
only thing that irks me is obvious farmers who prolly botted their way to the top haveing absolutely no respect for ppl who play the game to get away from work instead of making a career out of it
at the end of the day what i want is to walk away with a few % and at least a reasonable amount of adena towards my next equipment upgrade.
what i dont want is to spend countless hours combating a problem that is in no way my fault.
last i checked my ige account had zero purchases yet everyday i have to deal with this crap because some scumbag doesnt have the intelligence to figure out how to get the +16 weapon he wants
You're right, it's not a good idea for you to confront them directly.
There are however several things you can do to fight them.
For starters, drop me an email if you see them leveling. They do have to level up in order to continue being effective.
I will also get you at least a piece of the mass petition list, when you log in, shoot off a quick petition on them. They may not be botting, but they're also not real players if they are playing 24/7, there's got to be some breaking of the EULA going on there.
There will be a form letter posted by Monday that will be to NCSoft Customer support. Copy/Paste/Send it to them. It's foolish to ignore a legit complaint from 500 people, and I suspect that if the higher ups at NCNA don't realize they have a problem, they will when they get an email from a significant portion of their playerbase.
The farmers would have you think that you are helpless against them, because once they've gotten you into that mindset, they have won.
Stop wasting time thinking of why it won't work, and spend some time thinking of what you can do that will work.
For the record, I expect it will take twice as many people spying on them and watching their movements as it will take confronting them in the field.
For starters, drop me an email if you see them leveling. They do have to level up in order to continue being effective.
yet to see them lvling and not sure they need to when they raid 24/7 my bet is they will have to take a run at the town guards nefore they need xp
like the idea of the mass petition give me some names so i can send them im willing to bet some of them bot but im not sure we can report them without any proof ourselves
what is a good idea is sending a mass petition to nc against the alliance
fairly practical on gustin but if you compare us to erica where 90% of the server would vote serverpolice farmers to get them off the server you can see why they would ignore it
serious the best bet is what you guys were already doing
ganking them at bosses and disrupting their income
truth is there is only so long you guys can do that and i suspect their profit margins are high enough that they can outlast you
till nc stops treating us like employees making us do their work for them and starts actively seeking and banning the obvious farmers ill just hope in c5 i get 100% dorf stun landrate so i can actually do something to them
btw when was the last time some of you guys reported the ss farmers?
everyone seems to know who they are but doesnt seem to care much since when they want ss/sps they can get it and they never get in your way
see a similarity here
i've said i have taken many deaths from toxicity and dk but truthfully its because they disrupted my lvling
had they been ksing someone else's mobs more than likely i wouldnt care
and the same could be said about the raid boss farmers, the ss farmers and even the hatchling farmers
soo many threads about them soo little done about them and sooo strong they are... methinks an average player has better chance of getting banned for the hairstyle then them. oh the timeflies...
Mmmm, well, big concern for me is that... at the moment I'm level 54. Its not that killer of a impact for me to loose out on these bosses... yet.
I know one of these days I'm going to want to subclass, 3rd class... all this other stuff. Stuff that I'm going to need to kill raid bosses for. Its these things that concern me, when a player can no longer advance because of a group of selfish... yeah.
Not that a warlord is bad or anything... but one of these days I would rather be "Dreadnought". And subclassed into... I dunno, something. To be honest, when time comes, I dont even know if I'll be able to do these things because of these farmers.
You may be quite low right now, but the reality is you are in fact affected right now. When it comes time for you to buy A grade, you'll have one hell of a time because the prices of the helms are screwed up thanx to these RB farmers. A lot of gear used to be obtainable through raid bosses, but how are "common" alliances supposed to get these if they cannot raid?
Thing is no one gives a penny for this plague; no, not really.
InGame politics is not affected by those farmers: they don't want to get a castle or even a clan hall; they don't care about power and control of the server, except that little thingy called Raid Bosses. Basically they only control A and S grade items = economy.
It would be very easy for big alliances to make temporarily a truce for let's say a month and kick them out of the server by fighting LS & RR on a daily basis. But no such luck. Even those who state so passionately their dislike for LS, when it comes to choose between ganking their enemy and LS, they choose to gang their enemy. And why not? They get castles and make money from taxes. So, who cares?
There are still other smaller in power but not in numbers alliances who whine about being "low" level to fight LS. "What can we do when those guys are sub-classed? Nothing." Oh, nothing, sure. But next time you're killed by LS just because you happened to be where they were, don't complain about your xp loss and how many times you were killed. Just continue e-baying, xping in catas and be happy with your pathetic illusions. Just know there are new people in town: DarkSword, doing lower level raid bosses, and Shark. Remember Shark, who completely and totally accidently you had been meeting in 40ish raid bosses' locations? Well, they are doing 50ish now -- yesterday, in EV for example. Don't pay attention to neither of them just yet. Wait till they start bugging you -- but then it will be too late to think "what to do", because when you decide to act, you still won't be able to do much. :p
So. Is there something that can be done about this plague? Collective work: one-month truce, boot out LS and then start killing each other on a clear ground.
Is it going to happen any day soon? LOL
Is it going to happen even in the distant future? LOL
Remind me again... why we consume time writing the same things over and over again? ...... Exactly my thoughts. :p
A BD from the LightSword Alliance used an exploit to keep from appearing red. The BDs name is Sacredness. He Pked several of our party, we did not even flag and he used a poison or sting attack to keep from appearing red. Someone I was in ventrilio with knew about this bug and told me that as long as he keeps stinging he won't go red.
This is obviously an exploit!
Unfortunately I forgot to get a screenshot of this. However I will get a screenshot of this in the future.
A BD from the LightSword Alliance used an exploit to keep from appearing red. The BDs name is Sacredness. He Pked several of our party, we did not even flag and he used a poison or sting attack to keep from appearing red. Someone I was in ventrilio with knew about this bug and told me that as long as he keeps stinging he won't go red.
This is obviously an exploit!
Unfortunately I forgot to get a screenshot of this. However I will get a screenshot of this in the future.
I've stung people to death with a cithara, it does dmg no matter what weapon you use.
Also you can't poison someone unless their flagged...and don't try to say he was using bleed because only rogue classes (rogues/assasins/scouts) get that skill.
Now, using a 3rd party program to view your target's HP, while stinging to make sure your target is weak and that you don't go red is indeed cheating.
Basically they only control A and S grade items = economy.
Negative.
Just know there are new people in town: DarkSword, doing lower level raid bosses, and Shark. Remember Shark, who completely and totally accidently you had been meeting in 40ish raid bosses' locations? Well, they are doing 50ish now -- yesterday, in EV for example. Don't pay attention to neither of them just yet. Wait till they start bugging you -- but then it will be too late to think "what to do", because when you decide to act, you still won't be able to do much
These guys are rumoured to be alts of Carpe Diem. Cannot confirm such wild accusations yet, so I use the term rumour.
Remind me again... why we consume time writing the same things over and over again? ...... Exactly my thoughts.