Ok, finaly I tok me some time and made the tests and calculation for best A-grade gear for a lvl61+ BD.
first, I wanna say, this was made with selfbuffs and GHP, so its a solo setup. Im not sure if prophet/SE buffs would change the outcome, but here it comes anyways.
oh btw, this test/calculations where made to se what item-combo would dish out the most damage over time, so its not on one hit, or highest critical, its over time!
and... I have made these tests on my own BD. The test and calculations was made side buy
Some calculations/tests I have made was about Critical and Criticals. It seems as if crittical (thats the number you have in your status meny) works very close to number/1000. that means, 200 critical = 20% chanse to crit. And critical (the amount of damage you do on each crit) was made of a 100 nomral hits, and 100 critical hits, WITH dance of fire, on the exact same type of mobs. the number I got was crit = nomral damage*3,1.
buffs used:
-Might 2
-Shield 2
-Swift attack potion
-Dance of Warrior
-Dance of Fury
-Dance of Fire
The Dyes I have used are +5 str/+4 dex/-9 con. Many people use +5 dex/+4 str instead, but if I make the small modifications to my calculations, it does NOT give a higher #Power.!
now to the different item setups:
-Tallum heavy armor + Keshanberk*Keshanberk+4
-Tallum heavy armor + Tsurugi*Samurai Long Sword+7
-Majestic heavy armor + Tsurugi*Samurai Long Sword+7
-Majestic heavy armor + Keshanberk*Keshanberk+4
so, I tok the kesh*kesh+4 and the tsu*sls+7 becuz they are both worth around 70-80m (on bartz server)
The price of the armors are not the same tho, but we dont look at those prices in this test.
Some fast info about the items:
-Tallum heavy armor
439 p.def
Atk. Spd. +8%
Weight -5759
Poison and Bleed Resistance +80%
STR +2
CON -2
-Majestic heavy armor
464 p.def
P. Atk. +4%
Accuracy +3
Stun Resistance +50%
STR +2
Con -2
-Keshanberk*Keshanberk+4
280 p.attack
SA Haste, attackspeed +8%
Additional PvP damage (this is a PvE test)
-Tsurugi*Samurai Long Sword+7
272 p.attack
SA Focus, critical +52
* ** *** Fact starts *** ** *
P.attack: This means the p.attack fully equiped and fully buffed with the buffs I listed befor.
Atk.speed: Same as abow. The speed of the setups are compared to the slowest setup. This is actualy a bit missleading, as I have typed it below. Atk.speed buffs does multiply, like (8%*8%=16,64%) not like (8+8=16) but I havent typed it like that below, but I have done it that way in the atk.speed calculations.
Critical: It will be calculated as additional damage. example: Every 10th hit you will crit, that means 3,1* more damage that hit. and that means a total of +31% damage (over 10 hits) so, its the same as +31% damage.
#Power: Its the modified P.attack, and shows the Overal p.attack/damage over time.
Alternativ 1.
-Majestic heavy armor + Tsurugi*Samurai Long Sword+7
P.attack: 996
Atk.speed: 587 (587/587 = 1)
Critical: 147 (14,7%*3,1 = +45,57% p.attack)
#Power= 996+45,57% = #1450#
So, this means, if you dont take PvP in consideration (A-grade wep gets pvp dmg bonus) Alternativ 3 is the winner of this test, close followed by Alternativ 2. Not only is this the cheapest of these setups (armor, BSS instead of ***, not as fast as with kesh) its also the BEST setup for PvE. Only problem may be to actualy find Tsu*sls+7 (or more) on the market, or risk it yourself.
I hope I have helped those lost BDs out there (including myself!) and if you think this is made in the wrong way somehow, I welcome any comments. I cant promiss this is 100% accurate calculations, but I beleve they are 99% accurate :) (and most of it is tested on my own character so it CANT be very much wrong)
well, like my test shows, that would be the wrong choice if you are going for PvE, unless you want to waste more money and for the looks of the kesh duals. but they do less damage :/
50% to 61 and I will go with tallum heavy.
I'm not convinced about A duals, especially because I'm a carebear happy to level alone with my SE.
I've got a nice bargain time ago with dual sls +8 and I will keep em for a very long time.
On the other side, I still don't know what to do with my SE (also at 50% to 61). Currently she is in Doom light, with tsu+sls +6. The question is, keep her in doom, follow the path with dark crystal light or give her the **** Majestic......
It looks like you forgot to include Focus 3, which would make duals with less crit but more patk have a higher power rating. Song of Hunter as well, but less and less parties use sws's nowadays.
Focus 3 is 1.3* your base crit. The critical added by an SA is unaffected by focus buff, it's just add12ed on at the end.
Song of Hunter is 2* your base crit and focus doesn't multiply onto SoH.
Like 95 crit with focus 3 is 123.5 (and the game shows rounded numbers, but actually uses the non-rounded ones)
with SoH+f3 is 218.5 critical, and if you had an SA to add 43 critical, this makes it 261.5 critical because all it does is add it on at the end.
Put that into your calculations and you might just see the kesh kesh as a better weapon.
Also, where does 3.1* damage on crits come from? This being dw*dof? I'm not too sure but that might not be 100% correct.
well, if you like attackspee, stick with it, but sls*sls only add 4% attackspeed, and kesh adds 8%, and kesh are not better than Tsu*sls, so sls*sls for sure are not better. but like I said, if you like the looks of them and the additional attackspeed, stick with em :)
Im not sure about the SE tho..mine is only at lvl40 yet *lol* and he is just on /follow mode, so it doesent realy mather what he is using (atm he uses knowledge top/bottom, no gloves, helm or boots at all..lol) going for karmian tho.
zzzZZZzzz, this is all about solo, if you read the beginning of my post again :) ofc, buffs from prophets/SE will prolly change this test a bit, but this test aint for groups :)
btw, I have 266 critt with prophet/SwS buffs.
AND, most important, I would never go for the setup that dish out the most damage if I where grouping a lot..like its now, Im still in BW and 1150ish attackpower, and even when Im in groups there most people are 5-10 levels abow me, hunting in TOI, im getting agrro all the time, no mather what we fight after a feew sec I get aggro, and Im fragile..so actualy I would go for majestic and maybe kesh*kesh if I where grouping a lt (thats the worst of the alternatives in this test, BUT its a STEADY flow of damage, doesent rely much on crits, and It wuld make me beeing able to get a feew more hits without dieing)
how I got the numbers of the critt damage? damage*3,1.
well, I killed valinos outside aden. with the same buffs as the test says, and the exact same type of mobs, I counted the damage of my first 100 normal hits, then 100 critical hits, and it showed up to be x3,1 more damage on critts. so, its not 100% accurate, but with 100 hits of each, I would say its 99% accurate at least.
**sorry for my bad typing :(
zzzZZZzzz, ill add SoH and focus just for fun. but if you got those buffs, you prolly have acces to Might 3 as well, and Death Whisper, and I dont have numbers for any of them (I would actualy have to do the crittical tests again, with the buffs, and that tok some time to do, killing and counting all those mobs and damage :(
Why on earth would you solo a BD? @_@ Especially at 6x, it's such a waste of effort for the exp you'd get. I mean yes, solo prophet or SE buffed but never self buffed. ><
Atk Speed:
Zerk = 1.08
Fury = .....er, I actually forget but you can find out for yourself, I think it is 1.12 though
Haste SA does multiply with atk speed buffs
For critical damage, DW3 and DoF should multiply seperately. Essentially, with just DW3 you should see 3x your normal hits and with just DoF you should see 3x your normal hits as well. With both, you should be seeing 4x. I've never really had a good solid chance to test out DoF though so yer........anyway!! I'm not calling your wrong on your critical damage, just kinda...posting redundant information. :)
Focus 3 = 1.3
Song of Hunter = 2.0
Neither multiplies with Focus SA
If you want to mess around with the nunbers, there you go.
well, like my test shows, that would be the wrong choice if you are going for PvE, unless you want to waste more money and for the looks of the kesh duals. but they do less damage :/
I tested O/E with duels on the PTS.
kes/kes to +12 first time.
kes/dram to +9 failed.
kes/dram +12
kes/kes +13
dram/dram fialed alot.
I think geting any duel to +10 even +12 was very good (for me) the trix is geting them to +9. once there they should go to +12! once at +12 I'd not go any higher, not worth loseing them. and very low chance.
so this +4 BS is lame. just go for it, and tell you self that you got nothing to lose.
Oh I'm saying this cause your kes/kes at +4 you can make to +7 easily, trust me... no I don't play your server, I'm not saying so so you lose them. I'm that confident!
yea, well I have soloed a LOT, and there are not always buffs to get.. with just VR and my own buffs, I still solo catas and get a LOT more xp than if I play in a big group in toi or anywhere...but ofc, duo is the best, with a SE prolly, or duo with a SwS and have out of party SE buffs :) anyways, Ill look into thatnumbers if I have energu for it, but some of them might be wrong tho... might 2 I have found out to be 1,10, dance or warrior 1,10..fury was 1.15 I think, got the numbers at home... anyways, ill calculate the stuff again with all buffs. btw, critts was 3.1 from my test, but you may be rigth its 3.0..its not that faar away and I only did the test on 100 hits, so it could be 3.0 yes.
Norelah, dude, you cant say OE to +4 "only" is BS.. I would NEVER OE anything to +4 at all, unless its a full armor (top+bottom).. its 60% chanse you succes, you migth have been lcky, but I know a lot of peopel that broke their weps going to +4 or +5.. and I dont wanna waste my money I spent months to farm on blowing my wep...I rather save the money, buy the OE wep, and later I can sell it for the same price, or close to the same price...no losses..
Im not saying you ae, but thats exactly how a ebayer talks "OMG OE your wep to +12, if it fails, just buy a new and try again" argg... ofc you where talking about the pts, so please take no offence..but OE are meant to be done buy ebayers, farmers(bots) and maybe clanleaders... we mortal people are suposed to grind/farm and buy their stuff :)
Wow, thanks for the REALLY informative analysis of a grade BD gear...I guess I decided to go a grade at a good time since now I have all your reference material.
I assume that of the sampling of the 100 or so hits that you averaged that it was all on the same mob with the same pdef?
As far as OE'ing is concerned...we don't all ebay, I bought my sls*sls clean as well as my tsu*sls, OE'ing is just an expensive addiction, like gambling for me. I got the SLS's to +10 on my own, sold the crystals and bss I crafted with the crystals to buy the tsu*sls when I blew it. So, I'm aware of the risk and I also work my way back to where I want to be. When you think about it, it's not really a huge loss because the sls*sls I bought clean for 23m, 10 ewb's for 750-850k so let's say it's around 31m to bring it to +10. Then when I crafted all the bss and sold crystals I still ended up with between I think 24m from the sales [blowing a +10 sls*sls yield 2012 b crystals]. So, I still lost...but I think it was worth the 7m gamble.
But I learned my lesson, it was the first pair I've blown...I want to sell my +9 tsu*sls so I can buy two pairs and just oe safely with the peace of mind of a backup now. As opposed to an ebayer, who like you said, would just buy another one.
50% to 61 and I will go with tallum heavy.
I'm not convinced about A duals, especially because I'm a carebear happy to level alone with my SE.
I've got a nice bargain time ago with dual sls +8 and I will keep em for a very long time.
/agree
I have a +9 tsu*sls that i've been trying to sell, I had an offer on the table the other day for +4 kesh*kesh, 6k a-ss, and a +3 bo necklace but everyone I asked about it said that unless there's a good amount of adena included in the deal that I should pass it up since there aren't any a grade duals that have the focus SA and that also the A shots are substantially more expensive and I wouldn't be doing any more damage with them anyway.
Although, you do have to admit that kesh*kesh would look alot cooler than tsu*sls [that tsu is one ugly sword!].
yes, the tests was on the same mobs with same pdef :)
ofc kesh kesh would look nice, and some day I may go for them myself, if they are high OE, but atm I cant afford it
nono, Im not saying everyone is ebaying that is OE, but well, like you said, you "only" lost 31 mil, thats a lot of money for most people, I wouldent want to lose 31 mil :)
oh you got them to +9 ?? remeber the offer I told you about ingame?? still intressted?
I didn't lose 31mil, I lost about 5-7 mil, I made back alot of it by crafting bss with the b crystals and selling a combination of remaining b crystals and bss. Which I used to fund the purchase of the +0 TSU*SLS.
I do remember your offer, and...after you made it, I was kind of in a good mood since I got the last gem to craft my BO necklace finally and I managed to make my TSU*SLS up to +10 tonight. woohoo! Got my dual flashlights back.
I am seriously considering your offer, but I at least wanna show off the duals to clannies for a few days =)
its ok, well if they are +10 I dont have the money atm anyway, but I will have it in a feew days when I sold some stuff :) but its ok just tell me if, when and where :)