yes if a dagger is 15 lvls higher it will wipe a party of 4 melee
actually interesting how easy a dagger 4 lvls higher can take me and my golem out in seconds
are they meant to kill heavy armor toons that easy?
also failing 9 out of 10 stuns doesnt help much
They now get some very **** skills (such as a might mortal skill >.>; ) at the third class change - I guess they rise in power even slower 'n orcs now.
Yes and no. Vicious stance is much better.
It seems focus and SoH have an effect on landing specials but w/o MM dagger PvP is not in favor of daggers.
Boosting VS has noticable effect in PvE as well.
What else: switch seems not to work very well (outside party, i.e. training).
The AW must be completely buffed (incl SoH, Fire dance) to muster so dmg output. As for B grade. Possibley B demon sword w/ MM (heck the most expensive weapon on the server). DC is a good set but doom is still good enough, so probably the AW was in 70's. Dunno if hex was utilized if so... pretty much screwed you are.
Tell me exact dmg and your pdef; and likely I'll tell the lvl of the AW.
I would say just becuase he was in B grade, doesn't mean that he was in the 50 lvl bracket. Actually I can almost guarentee he/she wasn't. Alot of people prefer armour/weapon stats from 1 grade above another. Also the person could either be mascarading as a lower lvl, or just may not be able to afford higher gear (it does happen).
BTW what lvls were the people in your party, and their classes. My B grade AW got into a battle with B grade Heavy amour wearing toon, and my damage from DB, Backstab was fairly puny. It was funny my ice bolt actually did more damage then any of my dagger attacks. Magic crit for the win, well not really I still lost :P, but was fun trying. hehehe
I don't find DB or mortal blow damage puny at all. I have 1100 pdef and those skills hit me for well over 1K damage, its just the fact that they land so rarely.
Though daggers got much needed improvements in C4, they will never be fixed until they have a 100% land rate like nukers and same lvl archers.
...yeah, this is why developers don't listen to players :)
dont even think that. they do listen.
they consciously choose what to do about it tho.
i mean honestly, if you were king of a country, would you listen to your countrymen? of course! whether or not you act on it is up to you, but your people will always like you for listneing. if nothing else.
MistryL is actually omnipresent in the forums. she sees all, she reads all. but she rarely posts unless otherwise unavoidable.
on topic, focus helps the land rate of dagger specials. doest make it might mortally, but its a good improvement over nothing.
Erm, no you wouldn't. Not on your Dwarf. Not even if you were S grade.
I'm gonna guess that the AW had a 122 evasion and as people said was pretty high up there. Which might explain why My damage to him was meager while his to me was extreme.
Erm, no you wouldn't. Not on your WS. Not even if you were S grade.
good point sorry i didnt notice there were 2 sr's in party
thx to the kiteing bug you would have to get those archers to stand still or i couldnt even hit them once
not gonna argue if i can wipe that party or not fact is you got owned by someone higher lvl
deal with it
I'd been good money your BG abyss walker was easily 10 levels higher than you. For daggers to rip thru a heavy armor wearer's cp and hp in one or two hits implies a lotta buff, maybe songs/dances, and a lotta level difference. As was pointed out earlier, seeing someone wear one particular grade of armor doesnt mean you roughly know his level. Plenty of heavy armor wearers stay in doom heavy even to 70 and doom light is a great afforable set for DD's to wear even at high levels.
I haven't noticed any HUGE improvement in my 6x TH since c4. I dont feel like my specials are landing any more, though *maybe* VS is having a better effect.
something is amiss. Here are the possibilities I see:
1)It was extremely bad played by you. (not all of you started attacking before it was too late, he had UE on, etc).
2)There was something extraordinary about the dagger. (a lvl 75 bot guard perhaps?) Did he have buffs and got too lucky with crits? Did he use cp/greatcp/qheal pots? was he on the 3rd occupation?
Though daggers got much needed improvements in C4, they will never be fixed until they have a 100% land rate like nukers and same lvl archers.
...yeah, this is why developers don't listen to players :)
dont even think that. they do listen.
they consciously choose what to do about it tho.
i mean honestly, if you were king of a country, would you listen to your countrymen? of course! whether or not you act on it is up to you, but your people will always like you for listneing. if nothing else.
MistryL is actually omnipresent in the forums. she sees all, she reads all. but she rarely posts unless otherwise unavoidable.
on topic, focus helps the land rate of dagger specials. doest make it might mortally, but its a good improvement over nothing.
Devs do listen to us, the only problem is that they only speak korean, therefore, they understand nothing...
Though daggers got much needed improvements in C4, they will never be fixed until they have a 100% land rate like nukers and same lvl archers.
I agree with this guy 100%.
Everyone here can b*tch and moan that it would make us (no surprise I play a dagger) overpowered, but that is entirely false. My guess is those that say that felt the wrath of many C2 daggers, get over it.
When a Glad uses TSS, does he ever miss? No.
When an Archer uses Double Shot, do they ever miss? No.
Have I ever evaded a nuker's Magic Attack? Nope.
Daggers were "fixed" when the damage output of our specials was made relative to the targets PDef. This I also agree with 100%. Just as my crappy MDef means I get nuked for more, that tanks PDef will absorb more of my damage - makes sense to me.
Giving us our specials back will make us a Force again, but not overpowered.
1)It was extremely bad played by you. (not all of you started attacking before it was too late, he had UE on, etc).
I started attacking at maximum range as soon as I saw him coming for us. The other SR jumped in shortly after but right before he closed range and in melee range(thereby killing me in 1 blow). I was buffed with BD dances and Self buffs and my damage to him was meager. 4 shots, not even 1 crit. :p 3 hits were for about 200pts and 1 for 450+ pts.
I did not see him UE. Although it is possible, but just not likely.
2)There was something extraordinary about the dagger. (a lvl 75 bot guard perhaps?) Did he have buffs and got too lucky with crits? Did he use cp/greatcp/qheal pots? was he on the 3rd occupation?
Well there is no way I can answer any of these questions, except that I doubt he was a bot guard as his clan and mine are at war. So he had a War icon tag. I also didn't see him using any pots, which is actually how I like it. I think it's stupid to use any kind of pots is PvP situation.
By the way, the point of this thread is not me whyning that my party got hit with a Train and we didn't even catch it's licence #, it was more of a question if the dagger classes have been fixed so they aren't so gimped anymore.
I was mostly hoping this to be the case where dagger classes are more friendly now then they were, not cause we got pwned :p