2nd account..

what class would best for a 2nd account. I'm a PR and j/w what would be best healer/buffer?

second box prophet would probably be best. Some will say an SE to recharge you but prophet will give you more buffs that will be of benifit to you.

only thing a prophet really has is zerk since haste 2 is bottled... I'd prolly go se for the recharges... but that's just me.

Oo so the human has more buffs?

Prophet gets bless the soul/body/shield and haste, plus berserker
SE gets VR and empower, neither of which help an archer
They both get deathwhisper + focus + guidance etc.

Hmmmmm, maybe you can find an honorable, mature person who is playing a live prophet, and recruit them to your clan. :D

My second account consists of 3 toons. A prophet, an SE and a level 10 dorf sell/buy-bot.

My second account does not exist. Unless you count my wife's account. And if she reads this, I'm on the couch tonight!

My second account does not exist. Unless you count my wife's account. And if she reads this, I'm on the couch tonight!

You have friends. I don't. My mom says I'm keen, though.

Prophet gets bless the soul/body/shield and haste, plus berserker
SE gets VR and empower, neither of which help an archer
They both get deathwhisper + focus + guidance etc.

ok whats is bless soul/body/shield, and VR and empower??
deathwhisper + focus + guidance ????

Also what about shaman and the other race support classes?

ok whats is bless soul/body/shield, and VR and empower??
deathwhisper + focus + guidance ????

Also what about shaman and the other race support classes?

bless soul = more mp
bless body = more hp
shield (forget that as archer)

vr = vampiric rage = you get HP bach when you deal damage (only as melee fighter)
empower = enhances magic damage alot

i want to say in addition that Prophet gets Magic Barrier, which enhances your MDEF alot.

-andy

forgot:
deathwhisper = multiplies Critical Damage (great thing)
focus = Increases your Critical Rate (how often you get crits)
guidance = Increases your Accuracy

what class would best for a 2nd account. I'm a PR and j/w what would be best healer/buffer?

My second account SE, im a BH so i pull trains solo all day. very good way to lev fast. So is all up to the class you picking on your main.

Between the Prophet and SE, this is all I can think of offhand...they're basically equal in everything else:

For PvE grinding, a Prophet gives you Haste and Berzerker Spirit. Haste is available in potion form, so I'm not sure if there's much benefit in that, so the main benefit is Berzerk. Also, a minor benefit is that the Prophet is pretty darn hard to get killed accidentally if he's set up for a duo.

For PvE grinding, the SE can recharge your MP. This means you can toss on an SA other than Cheapshot and still have zero downtime while hunting--even using your specials periodically. Naturally, if you don't like the other SA's or specials, that's no benefit at all. If you do, though, it can be a significant benefit.

Everyone seems to forget that prophets have bless the body and bless the soul. These two here will help you take more dmg and gain more mp depending what lvl your soul of sagaterious (however you spell it) is. Also sure haste 2 pots are in game but why buy haste two pots when you can get the buff for free?

Most archers get bless the body, guidence, death whisper, focus, haste 2, mental shield, might, shield, and zerk to be maxed stats without a blade dancer. Prophets however have weak heals.

SE's will give guidence, might, shield, death whisper, focus, mental shield thingy. They can give empower or wild magic but really archers dont use their magic all that much apart from PR's that use hex. SE's can heal very good though and can recharge your MP if you get low.

EE's give might, shield, stun resist, evasion and heal well. EE's are more the melee buffer and archer's really dont benifit much from a EE.

If I had a choice of a prophet, SE, or EE to duo with on my PR I would go with the Prophet. They have most of the buffs possible and with bless the body, haste, and zerk they give me more benifitcal buffs for my class. Give me a prophet and a BD/SWS and I am set. Give me a SE and my patk is lower (no zerk) and I have to pop potions for haste...but they can recharge me once in a while. So for me I would chose a prophet if I was going to second box a buffer. They have a few more buffs that are benifical (more HP, higher patk, and no need to pop potions every 20 minutes).

Does BtB/BtS do you any good in PvE, though?
(other than that, makes sense to me :) )

Yes Bless the body gives you more HP which helps when you get hit or pull more than one mob and have to take a beating for a bit or some mob magic crits on you. Also the prophet can root as well which helps archers avoid being hit (but SE's also get root and sleep so again split decison there). THink EE's get root as well but usually dont see EE's much outside of PvP groups mainly for their party recall.

Bless the soul is up to debate again depending on the lvl of the archer and if they have soul of sagraterous. Usually bless the soul does give more mp than the archers sagraterous buff but really not by much. IF the prophet is higher lvl than the archer then yea BtS would be more of a benifit but if the archer is equal or higher lvl than the prophet not so much.

I made a SE for my Hawkeye to Duo with. Mana Recharge doesn't work yet, cause my (soon to be) SE is too low level in comparison to my HE.

The reason I made an SE is for when I don't want to level my HE, I can just Party up my SE with friends. Great all around Healer/Buffer character to PowerLevel my Alts. I guess I just figured I didn't know what role my healer would take in the long run.

So the way I see it, I can Still Powerlevel Mele, and Mages and Archers decently enough. I can Use the SE to Recharge my Crafter, to help clannies, to break up the grind and be a healer/buffer or just grab my Light armor and Duals and whack stuff.

The root/sleep myth sorted:

root and good buffs: prophets and SEs
sleep and good heals/rez: elven elders, bishops

So prophets and SEs don't get sleep, and elven elders and bishops don't get root (though I think bishops get hold undead or something like that for undead mobs).

Bishops do get root, though not high levels of it, I think lvl 9 is max.

Does BtB/BtS do you any good in PvE, though?
(other than that, makes sense to me :) )

No.

If you start with max hp and mana, you can last slightly longer without buffs and recharge, but it doesn't make you any more efficient, as there is no real benefit to having this sort buffer... it just lets you stay up 25% longer. If you need the blesses for emergencies or pvp... then you need to reconsider why you are getting a buffer. The reason you are getting one is to stay up as long as possible. Giving up an indefinate uptime just to last 25% longer in emergency situations is not a good trade off.

If you want a pvp buffer.... get a prophet. If you want a pve buffer... go for SE.

( though personally... I would take an EE over either class for pvp. I <3 adv shield block, resist shock, high rezzes and fast heals, and party recall )

To each their own. I know on my archer:

Group with SE cool get some buffs decent heals.

Group with an EE...ehhh okay atleast they can heal. (PvP is totally different like to have EE around).

Group with a prophet...SWEET now wheres a blade dancer when you want one.

Since he was asking about a buffer for an archer class...my vote is still Prophet.

Since dmg is all about patk my PR is mid 60's:

SE/EE buffed patk 1907
Prophet buffed patk 2010 (thrown in a bd dancing and patk is 2176+)

SE can give empower which will help with land rates on hex so you wont have to use bsps when using hex. Prophet can also buff acumen to speed up cast speed but to land hex often use bsps.

forgot:
deathwhisper = multiplies Critical Damage (great thing)
focus = Increases your Critical Rate (how often you get crits)
guidance = Increases your Accuracy

who get these again??

Anyways thanks alot ofr the help!

Both Prophets and SEs get those.

Bishops do get root, though not high levels of it, I think lvl 9 is max.

If you wanna get technical, no they don't. Clerics get root (and sleep, like oracles) but they don't get new levels after becoming a Bishop.

To each their own.

Not here. It's not a matter of opinion. If you don't care, that's one thing.... but by saying you prefer a prophet, you have to give us actual reasons.

With an SE it isn't just 'some buffs' and 'decent heals'. It's every buff minus zerk, REAL HEALING ABILITY.... as well as infinate mana.

If going by p atk alone, could you tell me how 5-10% makes any diffrence in pve. You do realize that as an archer, you would have to clear more then 25% p atk for the bonus to affect the amount of shots you would need to kill a single hp mob.

Wouldn't even a 1% difference, theoretically, be enough? If, say you did 33% of it's HP per shot, it'd be the difference between 4 and 3 shots.

Not that I'm saying that will happen with any kind of frequency, but the "just a sliver left" effect does pop up once in a while.

ok whats is bless soul/body/shield, and VR and empower??
deathwhisper + focus + guidance ????

Also what about shaman and the other race support classes?

If you don't know that much, how do you expect to use a buffer? What's your level? 10?

How about some orc mystic class, warcryer or overlord?

Seeing boxed warcryer or even overlord is pretty rare though ... I guess it wound end up OP playing orc with boxed archer DD roaming around :) Interresting idea though.

What buffs WC or OL lacks for an archer DD? Thinking of windwalk (Warcryer), mental aegis, bless body and soul. It takes pretty long time to level them to get max out of their skills, prophets are bit more "useable" on lower levels buff-wise.

Does BtB/BtS do you any good in PvE, though?
(other than that, makes sense to me :) )

No.



In principle I agree that Bless the body/soul aren't necessary for PvE.
But so many DDs, even elf-DDs, get -CON tattoos, that BtB is good to get back to a safe level of hp. Same with BtS, there's so many casters that go -MEN, the buff restores part of the mp that was lost.

Having switched to SE from prophet, I miss haste most of all.

The prophet is more based towards fast attacking for short spurts, the Shillien elder however is based towards longevity, you'll attack a little slower but you won't ever have any mp downtime.

Cheapshot bows make a big difference though, but even then there's still downtime involved.

If you don't know that much, how do you expect to use a buffer? What's your level? 10?

no need to be rude, due to everyone ELSE using second accounts for buffers, buffers as a played class are almost nonexistant so some people do not have access to buffs easily.

What buffs WC or OL lacks for an archer DD? Thinking of windwalk (Warcryer), mental aegis, bless body and soul. It takes pretty long time to level them to get max out of their skills, prophets are bit more "useable" on lower levels buff-wise.

since an OL has to be in the same alliance as your main character to buff and heal, and not just party... i can just about guarantee they wont make a good buffer (this is in regards to a second account buffbot-type character only!) warcryer would do slightly better since you wouldnt have to have it clanned to use, however, you would have to keep it grouped to heal and buff... and orcs do not get a ressurection skill. also it would use all or nearly all its MP for 1 buff round, if you were to die or get cancelled rebuffing isnt an option without extra downtime. orc buffers are much better for buffing bigger groups though, these suggestions/opinions apply only to orcs as a tag-a-long-buffer on a second account :P


and for me personally... i would definitely make a prophet over SE for an archer, if your going to use it on multiple classes though i would have to go SE. if your playing your archer properly, heals shouldnt matter because you shouldnt be getting hit. more MP might be a bonus in the SE's favor, but that will only work if you keep leveling it in group with your archer all the time (recharge only works if your recharger is at LEAST 10 levels below the rechargee... it becomes more effective the closer in level you are) both prophet and SE get the same 20% res so thats a neutral point also. so its down to the buffs:

SE gets:
windwalk - increase runspeed
might - increase P.attk
shield - increase P.defense
kiss of eva - increase breathe bar underwater
empower - increase M.attack
focus - increase critical rate
mental shield - increase resist to hold/sleep
concentration - lowers probability of spell interruption
vampiric rage - restores HP based on a % of the damage you inflict
death whisper - increases critical damage
guidance - increases accuracy
resist wind - icrease defense against wind attack
wild magic - increase magic critical rate

Prophet gets:
acumen - increase spell cast speed
concentration - lowers probability of spell interruption
kiss of eva - increase breathe bar underwater
might - increase P.attack
windwalk - increase runspeed
shield - increase P.defense
focus - increase critical rate
mental shield - increase resist to hold/sleep
holy weapon - increase damage done to undead
berserker spirit - increase P.attack, M.attack, Attack speed, runspeed and cast speed while reducing P.defense and M.defense
bless shield - increase shield defense rate
death whisper - increase critical damage
guidance - increase accuracy
invigor - increase resist to bleed
bless the body - increase maximum HP
bless the soul - increase maximum MP
haste - increase attack speed
magic barrier - increase M.defense
resist fire - increase resist to fire attacks
regeneration - increase HP regeneration
resist aqua - increase resist to water attacks
resist wind - increase resist to wind attacks
resist poison - increase resist to poison

you may double check this list of skills here http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/race_human.html

both classes get updates in root, SE gets robe/light armor masteries, prophet gets robe/light/heavy masteries. although prophet does get more buffs as a class than SE, many of those are mostly useless in pve, so dont be fooled. prophet gets Return (self bsoe) while SE gets recharge (mp transfer) it all depends on your playstyle, what you hunt, what gear you use, your class, so many things its hard to say one is 'better' than the other. pick which one is right for you :P

sure zerk is good... if u wanna get owned by nukers..

SE is more versatile tho..