Your prices are low. You are paying about half what other manors are paying for Chilly Cobol which is especially important atm with inflated CBP prices. Please I beg you push your margins and help the market/economy atm. Also, return type 1 please.
when i saw Giran manor, i was about to say. Dion has no manor.
for instance selling golden for 100 and buying back for 400 generates nice profit both for the castle owner and the seeder.
current manor buys back at lower price than sells.
when i saw Giran manor, i was about to say. Dion has no manor.
for instance selling golden for 100 and buying back for 400 generates nice profit both for the castle owner and the seeder.
current manor buys back at lower price than sells.
Well you could easily buy a seed for 100, use it on a 4x hp mob, obtain 4 fruit, and then sell it to the manor guide for 150 each. But thats 150 each in mats...so lets take bones which the npc values at (100 I think). They are really worth 750 right now. So for every 100 adena you spent...you get 6 bones...and thus 4500 adena. 4.4k profit for one mob. Its still a HUGE reward favoring the player that does it and I am asking them to INCREASE that reward. More supply will level out the bone prices.
Well...here is what I have noticed about Dion manor. I have used it to test it as much as I could since I am responsible for its upkeep.
When you go to sell back your seeds, you get no adena. So...if my buyback price is low...maybe its because you don't get any adena back for selling it to the manor. One other thing...I am buying back as many as it will allow me to. Unfortunately, I dont' see the reason of allowing me to sell say 4000 seeds and allowing me to only buy back like 2000 of the same seed.
I will admit maybe I am confused but I am willing to talk to anyone in game about Dion Manor. I also posted previously to plz pm me if you wanted anything changed or had concerns.
Luke...pm me in game and let's talk about what your saying.
Hmmm. Well, you are saying what is good for you, BUT manor lords are operating manor for their purposes and not to please you. Yeah some things could have had better set up but lord is seting up manor based on the fact what HE/She wants. Probably the best possibility would be set it up more bit balanced for both sides.
And another question is, if they want to a bit move prices (artificial) on the market for certain mats.
Kait, as a normal player, when you sell back your fruit, your prize is not adena, but MATERIALS.
The price you set the fruit buy back to determines the amount of materials in fruit farmer's pockets at the end of the day.
It's for this reason that the manor system can have such an enormous effect on the overall economy and mat prices.
Luke was saying that my prices were low. My only point of mentioning the adena was for that reason. I set them low because from what I can tell...the normal player no longer gets adena when they sell them back so the point that the prices were low was invalid.
I have no problem setting the reward to be something different. Now...if the reward amount changes based on the amount I buy them back for...then..I will gladly do what I can to make the reward better.
I do not run this manor to make money...I run it to help others. Base mats are hard to get for basic crafting and there is no way to help the normal player get enough base mats to craft than to use the manor or make a dwarf. As I stated if anyone wanted changes made to just PM me in game and I would do what I could to help.
I continually keep an eye on Hindemith manors and notify players when I think they are in poor state. Manors have a very direct influence on the global Hindemith economy. I have commented to every manor manager, from Core to Divine, Storm to Legend to alter or shift manor prices when the server economy is being hit hard, like, in this case, animal bones.
Increasing the price on fruit DOES increase the amount of materials you recieve. The reward type set to animal bone means that for every 100 you pay in price, the player will recieve 1 animal bone per fruit. Most manors have it at 300. Again, there is profit margin on item production all the way up to 350 on chilly cobol. It is quite a simple request and as I stated, I "beg" of you to change it.
I'm sorry if anyone is offended because this all seemed awfully polite and looking out for the good of all... So..umm what's wrong with asking?
Why are you doing it here than on the boards? Seriously, if you have a [censored] problem with someone else's **** manor, do it IN GAME. No reason for anyone, let alone you, to make some big thread about it. Talk to them in game, it's that easy.
Why are you doing it here than on the boards? Seriously, if you have a [censored] problem with someone else's **** manor, do it IN GAME. No reason for anyone, let alone you, to make some big thread about it. Talk to them in game, it's that easy.
Ok I notice it last night and post from the campus labs while taking 5. What harm does a thread do? If anything it notifies all manor managers of a good idea...pushing up chilly cobol prices on reward type 1. The request is...quite simple.
gotta admit he does try to help alot, but the way Luke always end up saying it makes ppl feel bad, like they have just been told off or something.
Luke, keep in mind that kait has never ran much of a monor before, and i hear it is a lil diffrent in C4? She is trying her best, and will only get better as the days go by, instrad of makeing suggestions and makeing them sound like commands, perhaps you could suggest something and then tell her why you suggest it and the mechanics behind it. I would add my 2 cents about the manor if i knew anything about it, just that lvl 40-50 i made 3mil a day on varnish :) but that was back when it was WAY overpriced :)
Dont talk bs if you dont even know what the hell is manor system. Luke is just keep an eye for the price of basic mats. Giran manor and Dion manor is not working properly, and it is all come down to you paying all the overprice mats. I remeber back when the price for a piece of bone is up to 2K, and that is just plain stupid.
Ok, this might bring some flames into this thread, but I need to take it out of my soul or it might drive me nutz.
Isn't it clear what he is trying to do? Oren manor was inactive for 3 months and Luke didn't bring up any threads until he (storm) lost Giran to Oblivion. After seeing how people reacted to the owners of Oren he decided to bring this up in an atempt to get some people ****** at Oblivion. But of course, he can't do this only for Giran or it'll be clear why he is complaining about it. So he has to be fair and bring Dion into the picture. :p Either this or just as a, "hey, Storm runs a better manor than Oblivion does."
Oren manor was inactive for 3 months and Luke didn't bring up any threads
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I've posted when Divine owned Dion. When *what's their name this week* owned Oren I posted. I posted about Zor when I was in Core. I shared my opinions directly with Core via Aldridge/Oakley. Maybe you should double check the logs before you talk ***.
LOL only you noobs could turn this thread into a flame war. Hell I've ****** off Krowv in the past pestering him about why his manor was down on siege weekends. My attitude has always been take the risk for the benefit of all. ROFL flame me while I try to help things work better for all. Typical left wing move. I wrote this post 3 days ago :p
I really dont understand why castle lord should set the reward better if already at current reward all crops usually purchased by bots within several seconds since start of manor day. I saw one guy who sold his chilly cobols near Giran manor manager because he cannot sell them for animal bones. In this current situation the better reward the more money goes to farmers. The better way to increase animal bone output from manor and decrease the amount of money payed to farmers in increasing both: price for seeds and price for crops. But this increasing should be global, to evoid buying cheep seeds in another regions.
Personally I think the fact that Kait bothers to run a manor system is a testament to her sainthood. We've run the manor system for almost a week and a half now and after the first night when some of her own clanmates were unable to turn in any seeds due to the instant turn in the pro-farmers have some of us told her not to even bother. And I know how to cheat the instant turn in, point is why should I have to. So we asked her what seeds would either give us a Brez or high turn out and asked her to set those in the manor. She decided to play with it more and more rather then piss off the server and not run at least a slightly efficent manor system.
Personally I think she is doing a good job, if you really have any good tips, please go a bit more indepth by either using the forum private message system or ingame private message or email. I'm sure you'll find her more receptive then most castle lords past, present and future.
Yesterday I've tried to figure out if it's working at all. Frankly said, I was disappointed with overall results. Most crop types were barely touched 4 hours before manor update.
Overall manor effectiveness was like 10% of its possibilities. No doubt it makes money, but counting crops turned in makes me think it's not very effecient by now.
I don't know exactly the amount of crops sold back to Dion now, since my playtime is a bit shifted from manor reset time (manor reset time is about 5am for me, not the best time to check every day for me - I'm generally working next day), but I really doubt farmers problem is responsible for never-sold crops. We can sell any crop type if we want to get 60% of base buyback price. But apparently most seeders decide to wait another day and try their luck in other manor systems with 100% buyback price level.
Why are you doing it here than on the boards? Seriously, if you have a [censored] problem with someone else's **** manor, do it IN GAME. No reason for anyone, let alone you, to make some big thread about it. Talk to them in game, it's that easy.
Did i just see someone complaining on message boards about someone complaing on message boards? Maybe you should try it between two mirrors facing each other...
This is ridiculous. The manor system is not that complicated. I asked that please will dion raise chilly cobol fruit purchase price to 300 and use reward type 1. That is a VERY simple request. I have checked production values for items made by chilly cobol and the castle lord will still make money on the items produced.
How on earth can you people make this so complicated? Lots of us need animal bones! Prices are high! Pay more for fruit, generate more bones, bring prices down! Who cares which player turns in the seeds? More animal bones on the server means they cost less...and the manor system can produce tens of thousands every day! FOR 100 ADENA EACH! Are you all so dense that you have to turn this into something it isn't? This isn't political, this isn't personal (me <3 Kait), I just don't want to see animal bone prices hit 1k...and I think every dwarf will agree with me.
Paying more for fruit at a manor = more base price materials generated per fruit
Paying less for fruit at manor = castle lord has larger profit margin (HE MAKES MOR MONEY)
Nevermind, screw it. You've all turned a simple request to the benefit of all into some sort of political social disgusting mess. I would like to establish that this thread proves you are all CRAZY! Arg this is why the average individual shouldn't be allowed to vote. Idiots.
I will add to that:
manor is very simple; it hurts me to see a castle owning clan completely clueless about so simply stuff... but;
The more you pay per fruit the more materials are being generated upon returning the fruit. This is only good. For example golden cobol sell 100 buy back 400 generates decent profit and return plenty of threads.
It you don't wish to run the manor you may skip the manor mngr (if you see yourself and dont use manor manager to buy back).
This is ridiculous. The manor system is not that complicated. I asked that please will dion raise chilly cobol fruit purchase price to 300 and use reward type 1. That is a VERY simple request. I have checked production values for items made by chilly cobol and the castle lord will still make money on the items produced.
How on earth can you people make this so complicated? Lots of us need animal bones! Prices are high! Pay more for fruit, generate more bones, bring prices down! Who cares which player turns in the seeds? More animal bones on the server means they cost less...and the manor system can produce tens of thousands every day! FOR 100 ADENA EACH! Are you all so dense that you have to turn this into something it isn't? This isn't political, this isn't personal (me <3 Kait), I just don't want to see animal bone prices hit 1k...and I think every dwarf will agree with me.
Paying more for fruit at a manor = more base price materials generated per fruit
Paying less for fruit at manor = castle lord has larger profit margin (HE MAKES MOR MONEY)
Nevermind, screw it. You've all turned a simple request to the benefit of all into some sort of political social disgusting mess. I would like to establish that this thread proves you are all CRAZY! Arg this is why the average individual shouldn't be allowed to vote. Idiots.
Luke..apparently you didn't look very hard today. I set the manor up for it to run like u wanted last night. What I did last night..takes affect tonight at 9 PM EST. Luke..remember the saying..Patience is a virtue. <3
I asked you to PM me in game because I had some questions.
FYI TO YOU ALL...I didn't know the buy back price affected the amount of awards you recieved back.
FYI...I also contacted Warper the first day that I had the castle in regards to the set up of this manor. I used the same set up he had provided for 2 days...no one bought or sold back seeds.
I then started to "play" with the set up of the manor. First I took off all the alt seeds except chilly. However...no one bought or sold seeds.
I then "played" with everything and peeps started to buy and sell back their seeds.
I would like to find a way to help the peeps out with base mats. I am sorry that I don't understand how the manor works completely, but I am trying to make it as useful as I can to everyone, which is prolly why I asked for peeps to PM me any concerns, requests, or issues so that I could make it.
Ok...here is what I did this evening to hopefully help everyone out. As stated...I just want to help peeps get base mats to help them in their crafting ventures.
I have adjusted Dion Manor system yet again to hopefully help the peeps get base mats. I had already made the changes Luke requested on Sunday but it takes 24 hours for it to go into affect. The changes I made tonight will go into effect tomorrow night at 9 PM EST.
I honestly didn't know why the buy back price was so important because I couldn't figure out what its purpose was. Now that I know...I have adjusted things with hopes of obtaining my main goal of trying to help everyone.
Again…if you have any questions, requests, or concerns, plz feel free to send me a message. I am more than happy to work on fixing anything. Thanks again and have fun!
Honestly if you have a problem with the manor system, gather up your alliance and siege the [censored] castle, everyone stop bringing your [censored] problems to the boards.
Honestly if you have a problem with the manor system, gather up your alliance and siege the [censored] castle, everyone stop bringing your [censored] problems to the boards.
Kait, this post, which started out as a request to you and a notice to all allies to keep the price up, turned into BS. I asked you to help, you responded, and a bunch of lil kiddies flamed the boards. Some people are just too busy ebaying or botting to understand how important manors are to the legit players. Thank you for your quick response and Im getting the hell outta this thread before I run for President, dissolve the senate, and declare war on the ignorant people of the world. Seriously, all you people who flamed, go get your tubes tied. For the sake of humanity none of you should ever reproduce.
Kait, this post, which started out as a request to you and a notice to all allies to keep the price up, turned into BS. I asked you to help, you responded, and a bunch of lil kiddies flamed the boards. Some people are just too busy ebaying or botting to understand how important manors are to the legit players. Thank you for your quick response and Im getting the hell outta this thread before I run for President, dissolve the senate, and declare war on the ignorant people of the world. Seriously, all you people who flamed, go get your tubes tied. For the sake of humanity none of you should ever reproduce.
lol ive survived for 2 years in this game without ever farming a single mat with that seeding crap... hate the manor and dont care to figure it out ... simply pay the price that the mats are :) castle owners got the privelege of setting up a manor or not setting up the manor..its their benefit or their loss ultimately..if ur unhappy go pk sanctuary out of dion and set it up perfectly :D :D
How on earth can you people make this so complicated? Lots of us need animal bones! Prices are high! Pay more for fruit, generate more bones, bring prices down! Who cares which player turns in the seeds? More animal bones on the server means they cost less...and the manor system can produce tens of thousands every day! FOR 100 ADENA EACH! Are you all so dense that you have to turn this into something it isn't? This isn't political, this isn't personal (me <3 Kait), I just don't want to see animal bone prices hit 1k...and I think every dwarf will agree with me.
I can only guess noone supposedly played manor system since after castle changed owner. Nevertheless it was the thing I don't understand, since crop prices were more than just rewarding.
For your information, Luke... If you set up manor, you lose money instantly in hope someone will sell you crops for which you can make money back. Seeds are not the factor, unfortunately, there is no way to outpay crop buyback with seeds, as far as one seed produces multiple crops and people around have enough seeds for themselves.
One day of previous manor set up costs like 15 millions to manor manager. The only way it works is when seed farmers work with manor. If they don't - everyone loses :(
FYI...I also contacted Warper the first day that I had the castle in regards to the set up of this manor. I used the same set up he had provided for 2 days...no one bought or sold back seeds.
It's pity that sh*t hapened :( I can only guess it was affected by Giran manor not working for some time as well. Also it might be the reward types that made confusion :/
Anyway, I hope it will be worked out now hen we have other manor systems working. As you know, Dion is rather tight area and people level their 30-40 there. Rare people seed in cruma now and there is no place in Dion for other high-level grinding grounds above 40 level.
I would like to encourage everyone on seeders side to invest into Dion manor. Do you part of work - it's quite rewarding as of now. If you "forget" to tally up crops, manor will suffer. You are cutting your own future doing it.
Looking back to the time of BraveHeart owning Dion I can only say we were extremely lucky. We lost some money few times, but we lost not that much to stop working with it. Few days the system was stalled due to insufficient amount of money in Castle Vault. I was not able to invest money in the system myself (as you probably know, I was not castle owning clan leader). But frankly said, it had some positive effect. The system not working for a day made people wonder "will it work tomorrow?". You were interested in next day status and prices and knew they are goo for ya. Then you had a day or two to plant seeds and gather enough crops for tally up operations. With time the system stabilised at like 90% of maximum amount. Unfortunately, it partially hindered other manor systems.
I mean that - we stole some crops from Aden, Giran, Innadril and Gludio. Some seeds. Other systems were loaded more or less, so their owners had not lost much adena as a result. Anyway I have to praise them all for their patience and consistance. Without their efforts for their own manors ours would not be so successful.
Again I would like to encourage seed farmers to work in Dion areas. Kait is great person and she really wants to benefit everyone, but without your support it can't be all good. She has lost few dozens of millions in attempts to help people :( Then money run out :( Don't make her lose more just for the sake of your lazyness. It is all in your hands - you are the part of manor system.
If system will stabilise it's possible buyback prices will raise. Kait is really focused on benefits for everyone, but as far as system works at 10% of effectiveness it's impossible to cut a margin pie - there is not margin at all :/
Ufff... It was a long post. Thank you if you read up to this point. Let the health be with you, all the time, without exceptions. ;)
I think its a good post. I mean what sorta things are you supposed to post about anyhow. I can just see you pming 15 lines of text. Its ridiculous that i actually have to go out and try to spoil animal bones. bone prices are crazy and like most people i need like 20k more. more bones!!! more bones!!! and its nice to see the manor operator trying to be helpful and not being all crazy arrogant. i went to dion last night with a lowlevel alt and was going to seed for a bit, but they were all sold out of the ones i needed.
I think its a good post. I mean what sorta things are you supposed to post about anyhow. I can just see you pming 15 lines of text. Its ridiculous that i actually have to go out and try to spoil animal bones. bone prices are crazy and like most people i need like 20k more. more bones!!! more bones!!! and its nice to see the manor operator trying to be helpful and not being all crazy arrogant. i went to dion last night with a lowlevel alt and was going to seed for a bit, but they were all sold out of the ones i needed.
TY. Despite all the flames, I try to help because there are more people that benefit than random noobs looking for Luke's posts so they can scream bloody murder :p
Kiss you Kait, it worked great today.
Sorrus, you have one of the most popular A grade crafters on the server. You don't count. I actually have to watch profit margin on crafts, not throw up a craft station and watch people pour money into it. Either way, instead of everyone else flaming, you could just let Kait answer :p
Kait, this post, which started out as a request to you and a notice to all allies to keep the price up, turned into BS. I asked you to help, you responded, and a bunch of lil kiddies flamed the boards. Some people are just too busy ebaying or botting to understand how important manors are to the legit players. Thank you for your quick response and Im getting the hell outta this thread before I run for President, dissolve the senate, and declare war on the ignorant people of the world. Seriously, all you people who flamed, go get your tubes tied. For the sake of humanity none of you should ever reproduce.
lol ive survived for 2 years in this game without ever farming a single mat with that seeding crap... hate the manor and dont care to figure it out ... simply pay the price that the mats are :) castle owners got the privelege of setting up a manor or not setting up the manor..its their benefit or their loss ultimately..if ur unhappy go pk sanctuary out of dion and set it up perfectly :D :D
/agreed
Do we always have to bring the problems of a few ppl to the board? Pm, Siege... do something, but lets not turn it into some big scene everytime someone makes a mistake or doesn't please you. I personally have never used the manor system either. I'm like sorrus, I could really careless about it, I don't craft much and if I do most times I have what I need already :)