I know the ToS doesn't allow 3rd party programs that modify the L2 client in any way. I was wondering if [censored] sniffer is ok?
Basicly it just reads the packets coming in and keeps a list of all drops. As far as I know it doesn't change L2 in any way. Also I know a few who use it and say it's safe. Not that I recomend people here DL it. Those who do are at there own risk.
Ok I think the fact that the name is cencored answers my question. Thanks :eek:
I'm just wondering why?
Because it's a 3rd party app. We've been all through this before. The thread is probably still around with every crying about sniffer being locked out.
The ToS only restricts 3rd party programs that alter the L2 client. This one only reads it. I remember they said there would be a C2 guide, then saifd it was delayed untill C3.
It's C4 and still no guide. Do they think people will still waste there money on a C1 Eguide or a prelude paper guide with no drap stats?
How are we sapposed to get reach our goals in the game if they give us no info on drops?
How are we sapposed to get reach our goals in the game if they give us no info on drops?
This game is a money sink. I'm gonna take a bit of liberty and say that: For NC to make money, it is in their best choice to keep people play and pay for years and years. The more the merrier. If you find a way to get something very quick, reach the peak lvl see most things L2 has and leave for another game, well you're happy. NC ain't. Hence no drop tables on the official NCNA side or why the grind is so hard or why you gotta do the dang 76/75 to be a Nobleese, etc. :p
****, interfere, decipher != sniff. You'd think the stuff of a company doing business mostly over and with the internet like NCSoft does would know the difference. Besides, that one's easy to do without breaking any kind of EULA - just let someone who didn't sign it (thus, didn't install or run the game, either) do the hacking & deciphering.
what do you think this program does after the sniffing of the data? list pages of 0's and 1's? of course it deciphers the data. and "****" is not very different.
what do you think this program does after the sniffing of the data? list pages of 0's and 1's? of course it deciphers the data. and "****" is not very different.
Frankly, I have no idea what this programm does. For all I know it might as well send the data still encrypted to a separate server, where it gets decrypted. Or it might use the mighty random() function to generate its data. Or it might be a backdoor or turn your computer into a zombie.
Why do you know so well what the program does, anyway?
LOL there are already more than enough "automated" players in all servers using .... we all know what.... and you are talking about an innocent (as innocent as it can be according to NCSoft EULA) program that only tries to make a list of the drops, which drops are yet to be available from NCSoft in a form of a new guide...
What an irony...
I would agree with the use of that drops' sniffer, if NCSoft agree too...
As stated before, you are not allowed to compute with the data, as for computation, you need to decipher it.
Basically the #17 iof the RoC prevents you from doing anything with the data transfer between client and server. Already if you would remove the header an footer of the network packages, that is deciphering already.
If this policy is reasonable or not, is not the point. We know, that there are whole programs, mmicking an original client, made by people, who apparently not care for the rules, but in the end NCsoft makes the rules and we can only decide, if we follow them or not.
I personally decided for me, to follow them. All of them, even those, that I think are silly.
I know about those programs because it's part of my job to know, so you don't have to run one on L2 to know what they are. Anyone running one specifically for L2 and says it's not being used for some purpose that is against the EULA is not being honest.
As stated before, you are not allowed to compute with the data, as for computation, you need to decipher it.
That still doesn't make the use of pure sniffing and network analyzing programs - say, tcpdump or iptraf, which I use at work all the time - a violation of the EULA.
Basically the #17 iof the RoC prevents you from doing anything with the data transfer between client and server. Already if you would remove the header an footer of the network packages, that is deciphering already.
My router removes/changes/replaces/decodes the network header(s) of the packets. As does every other router and switch on the internet. If what you wrote here were true, using the internet to access the servers would be a violation of the EULA. :D
Oh my, if you want to fiddle around with semantics, so be it.
Yes, a router is technically handling the packages and of course needs to read them to handle them and of course needs to decipher, what he is reading, but that was not, what I meant with manipulation of header and/or footer.
What I meant was duplicating the packages or redirecting them, so that they pass or reach any other program than the client or the server of lineage2.
Also your original question was not about network tools. It was about automated gathering of data, that is in no way related to the functionality of the network. You are talking about automatic gathering of the information send with the data (network specialists know, that data != information). And that is generally prohibited by #17 of the RoC.
As much as I would want such a program, it simply is not allowed.
A program run by your ISP won't violate the EULA and honestly almost any EULA is possible to 'avoided'.
Edit:
Remove the darned gameGuard that mainly manages to crash my system. Game Guard breaks almost any EULA for any program you may use since it writes data in virtually all the available processes. in short GG.
What I meant was duplicating the packages or redirecting them, so that they pass or reach any other program than the client or the server of lineage2.
You mean, like using a mirror port to monitor all traffic for suspicious behaviour or recording your bandwidth usage? No, that's still not prohibited by the EULA. If it were, I'd be constantly violating it, because my private network intrusion detection software does exactly that, as do the traffic monitoring and accounting systems of my company [EDIT: ... and those of pretty much every major ISP here in Germany.]
Also your original question was not about network tools.
Wrong. I didn't pose a question. I was just stating that "sniffing" (= reading) a packet and decoding its contents are two different things. The latter is prohibited by the EULA, so take care if you agreed to it (which you have to if you want to play on the official servers). The former isn't.
What I meant was duplicating the packages or redirecting them, so that they pass or reach any other program than the client or the server of lineage2.
You mean, like using a mirror port to monitor all traffic for suspicious behaviour or recording your bandwidth usage? No, that's still not prohibited by the EULA. If it were, I'd be constantly violating it, because my private network intrusion detection software does exactly that, as do the traffic monitoring and accounting systems of my company [EDIT: ... and those of pretty much every major ISP here in Germany.]
Also your original question was not about network tools.
Wrong. I didn't pose a question. I was just stating that "sniffing" (= reading) a packet and decoding its contents are two different things. The latter is prohibited by the EULA, so take care if you agreed to it (which you have to if you want to play on the official servers). The former isn't.
Dude, you can argue the semantics of the EULA all day long if you want. NCSoft determines if it's against the EULA or not. Nothing you say here will change that. Like I said before, be my guest and sniff away. However, when/if you get banned for using this tool, I certainly don't want to see you or your friends crying on the forums about it.