Up until now, I thought the clanwar system for c4 was fine, it worked well, 2 way wars/1way wars etc.
However, people have begun to abuse this system.
People who are 1 way warred (You declared war on them) are now starting to abuse it by sending a war as soon as they spot one person hunting and have a 100% chance to win, and then stopping it as soon as the person is dead.
This has happened multiple times on Sieghardt with the same clan over and over, every single time just to gank one person, and then they stop the war.
This really needs to be fixed, perhaps add a delay time between the declaration of war and when you can stop it, because as it is now, it is extremely stupid and just used to kill one person at a time and avoid going red.
The new system sucks, the old system was fine. Wait until you start seeing a better trick where DDs in a clan are in a sub that isnt at war. They kill purple enemies for 4% losses.
Doesn't the leader of the clan that surrenders lose xp equivalent to one death?
I don't think anyone's gonna keep doing that, since that could end up being a big xp loss.
He means if he already have a one way war declared on the enemy... the enemy then uses this strategy to make it into a two way war while ganking that guy...
Up until now, I thought the clanwar system for c4 was fine, it worked well, 2 way wars/1way wars etc.
However, people have begun to abuse this system.
People who are 1 way warred (You declared war on them) are now starting to abuse it by sending a war as soon as they spot one person hunting and have a 100% chance to win, and then stopping it as soon as the person is dead.
This has happened multiple times on Sieghardt with the same clan over and over, every single time just to gank one person, and then they stop the war.
This really needs to be fixed, perhaps add a delay time between the declaration of war and when you can stop it, because as it is now, it is extremely stupid and just used to kill one person at a time and avoid going red.
As silverwolf mentioned.. you gotta be in a two way war to be able to kill a non-flagged enemy without going red. If your already in a 1 way war with these guys... then you gotta expect them to kill you. If you cant **** the people you've waged war on killing you.. then I'd suggest you drop war lol.
If you cant **** the people you've waged war on killing you.. then I'd suggest you drop war lol.
What is the clan who Declared war on your clan INITIALLY is not willing to drop their war as in the case with my clan. Everyone in my clan is C and B grade. The few clans who declared war on US 1st are mostly A grade.
They also won't drop the war they started even though they outmatch and outlevel everyone of the people in my clan.
But I agree, the new system is slightly better, the one way war declaration is suitable for the previous poster that has problems with higher level clans owning them. You then declare war against them so you'll drop your own exp loss to 1/4 - really useful if you're being overrun. Sadly, it seems the initial poster has found a griefy way of exploiting this for the clan you one way war... *have not tried it mysefl though*
> If a clan does that to you - shame them in public, call off war, and PK them.
Don't really think shaming them i public will help, but yes withdraw the war from your side and PK them... can't really think of anything else to do, and the last part may be hard if they're too powerful and you've declared war to them because they're PKing you..
Up until now, I thought the clanwar system for c4 was fine, it worked well, 2 way wars/1way wars etc.
However, people have begun to abuse this system.
People who are 1 way warred (You declared war on them) are now starting to abuse it by sending a war as soon as they spot one person hunting and have a 100% chance to win, and then stopping it as soon as the person is dead.
This has happened multiple times on Sieghardt with the same clan over and over, every single time just to gank one person, and then they stop the war.
This really needs to be fixed, perhaps add a delay time between the declaration of war and when you can stop it, because as it is now, it is extremely stupid and just used to kill one person at a time and avoid going red.
I don't see what you're complaining about.
You declared war on them, thereby netting yourself 1% XP loss on death when they kill you and inviting them to war you back.
Instead of PKing your member who would then lose 1%, they declare war and kill him freely and again he only loses 1%. They cancel the war afterwards and you're back in the same situation.
If you PK them they lose 4% if they PK you you lose 1%. You offered the war and this is one way they are choosing to fight back against you. If you dislike what they are doing cancel the war on your side and force them to go red on you. The only disadvantage to this is when they do go red on you you will lose 4% instead of 1%.
If you cant **** the people you've waged war on killing you.. then I'd suggest you drop war lol.
What is the clan who Declared war on your clan INITIALLY is not willing to drop their war as in the case with my clan. Everyone in my clan is C and B grade. The few clans who declared war on US 1st are mostly A grade.
They also won't drop the war they started even though they outmatch and outlevel everyone of the people in my clan.
Yeah, uhm, I sooooo hate this war system.
What's ur point? My clan and alliance wars a full alliance of lvl 75+ nukers/archers/daggers who are now gearing S Grade. This new clan war system is doing my side a favor by 1% exp loss instead of 4%. Also they flag so there is no excuse why friends in group cant fight back.
There is sugar coated topping world of L2 where no one bugs u and there is real world where u have to fight to lvl each day. Welcome to it.
Its not like they can kill people 1v1 or with anywhere close to even numbers, they dont flag back when I come to kill them, they come to gank my subclass 5v1, declare war, kill me without going red, and then surrender.
ive been too lazy to do it, I carry CH BSOEs incase people pop up, but when I died off the karma (10 deaths my a level 1, 90% rez) I dropped everything possible lol
Its not like they can kill people 1v1 or with anywhere close to even numbers, they dont flag back when I come to kill them, they come to gank my subclass 5v1, declare war, kill me without going red, and then surrender.
but they usually gank me when Im sittin in the hall afk, or I have mobs on me, then chicken out and stop the war, is there some sort of penalty?
What do you mean, you're on your subclass sitting in a hall afk, but your homies in party aren't backing you up?
umm this doesn't mean that you maybe sit in the hallway for hours and hours while your group of untagged friends with funny names camps the room 24/7 does it? If that's the case I bet you are ****** since you lose out on alot of xp, when you're not there to click yes to the auto rez eh??
Its not like they can kill people 1v1 or with anywhere close to even numbers, they dont flag back when I come to kill them, they come to gank my subclass 5v1, declare war, kill me without going red, and then surrender.
but they usually gank me when Im sittin in the hall afk, or I have mobs on me, then chicken out and stop the war, is there some sort of penalty?
What do you mean, you're on your subclass sitting in a hall afk, but your homies in party aren't backing you up?
umm this doesn't mean that you maybe sit in the hallway for hours and hours while your group of untagged friends with funny names camps the room 24/7 does it? If that's the case I bet you are ****** since you lose out on alot of xp, when you're not there to click yes to the auto rez eh??
ROFL..
Oh, Ive only died 3 times to this, it usually happens when Im afk eating or whatever, but as soon as they kill me they surrender, and by the time I get rezzed/run back to kill them, I gotta go red...
Sounds worth it to me. Declaring war so they can kill you without going red sounds kind of bleh to me personally, but whatever. Not like getting a PK is that big of a deal!
OK, I agree that this new war system sucks, but um... silly question why don't you just use their own tactics on them? Declare war, pk them, surrender? If they want to be [kittens] about it, show them what its like.
That's exactly what they are doing ... they have already declared war on enemy. But enemy wars/de-wars everytime they see them. Enemy switches from one-sided war to two-sided and then surrenders.
To make it work your way, it has to be enemy clan that wars them first. So opposing situation as it is now.
Just drop your clan to 14 members (yes you may have to create a sub-clan for this) and voila everyone goes at it for 4% loss.
Not quite true, we had 15 exactly in my clan and started some wars in c4. Someone left because they didn't like the way things were run, and wars are still on. You would have to undeclare wars first.
right but they won't be able to declare them back on you. A couple clans did this when c4 came out.
step 1 send out wars to every enemy guild and their dog
step 2 drop guild size to 14
that way you only take 1% when you die but there is no way for ppl to war you back.
The biggest problem with the current war system is that you flag when you get into a pvp. Its very common to see an untagged person get the final hit during a pvp in order to give the other side full xp loss. It makes the whole concept of war meaningless since full xp loss is still so common.
Also, if you are on the recieving end of a one way war and one of the attackers pks you, they don't go red. They just get 1 pk added to their count. I've seen a couple instances of clans declaring war on the clan of somebody they want to pk, dropping him/her then ending the war so they don't have to deal with being red.
I fail to see how allowing people to use tactics like this makes the pvp in l2 better. It just makes wars more pointless.