now i am building an AW and he is ready for C grade.
i really want my dagger specials to land and i wont wanna have to resort to excessive violence. i plan on being a PK with this after i hit 75. so this build will be progressive to A grade and stop there.
for C:
i was thinking Grace dagger With Backblow because (if i have read the SA list on Stratics correctly) i get a big boost in attack from behind skills. as an AW this wont be a problem in PvE and having not reached 75 yet, i wont be PVPing.
as far as armor goes, the Tempered mithril or the Theca set i am much more inclined to focus on.
cost: grace dagger 7m in crystals from the giran lux shop. 9m after spending money on SA.
armor theca set is not so common, but runs 6m for set. 15 m after taxes then.
B grade:
Doom light with a Kris and Backblow.
doom light for Dex bonus.
well the 15M from the C sale will get me nobbut the kris if i can find one so willing. doom light another 50m i am guessing. 65m will that be cash or charge?
A grade: Light nightmare for the VR SA, OR i think Dark Crystal light for haste and Patk bonuses.
weapon is now Bloody Orchid with Focus. i wont be using backblow SA because i wont likely be facing the backs of my enemies anymore.
for A i am quite certain the price will have moved into the 75m mark for the orchid. and NM set running me near 159m if i am lucky on the helm and get cheap 99m one.
amid all this i need 2 tatoos: +4 Dex -2STR -2Con and my dex will reach an astonishing 38. not the best, but with doom light +3 dex i might just keep the B armor well into A. if i ever change i wont like it one bit.
what do you think? is this build progression logical?
For C grade-- unless you have someone constantly tanking for you, backblow SA is useless. Only if you are always duoing with a tank/melee DD or something, or if you are a summoner, the backblow SA shouldn't be chosen-- focus is better for all general situations. Even in that, it increases your crit rate only some less than backblow, only direction doesn't matter. And then focus against someone's back is almost as good as the backblow SA anyway.
Oh yes also wanted to add-- by the time you reach 75, the only reason you'd ever want to make that character a PKer is if you were leaving the game. I'd never waste a character that I had worked that hard on just to kill people. I'd have some fun with it. (AKA kill people PvP-wise ;))
ok, if focus will be better for pve solo i think i will swing for the focus on the grace dagger instead of backblow.
but for B grade do you think it is wise to go with focus? backblow gives so much better crtitcal attack. in fact the B focus is less focus than the C focus according to stratics.
use focus on C and B grade, backblow is worthless as that SA would only matter on the first shot you take on the mob, because he will turn to you right away. Focus will help you level alot faster.
hehehe i have over 100 PKs already and im still in D grade. im not red and im saving my next bout of redness for when i have better levels. AW are awesome for pvp. you dont have to be a nuker or an archer to kill people.
its like the old saying: guns dont kill people, I kill people.
Yea, sure they are good in pvp, but as soon as you meet a archer or a nuker you are dead. Melees you own, except against destroyers. But then again 70% of the playerbase are archers/nukers ish.. so, not very funny being AW :)
take your "nukers are teh pzzown" out of my thread. i am building an dagger class which, if the specials land, can take out HALF your hp in ONE SHOT.
now i am fairly certain that you dont care that daggers potentially can two shot you, and youd rather have a nuker for aura spam, but I dont give a rat's *** if im pwnt or i pwn. i did say i would be a PK. not a griefer. if youre ready to hunt me, come get me. 102 pks now since i last posted in this thread, not a single sin eaten.
i think im gonna go hunt some wannabe necros. they dont pose a threat to me.
Although perhaps Spudnik too it a little too far, this was exactly what I was expecting-- one or two players that would go off topic to discuss things that if anything, annoy the OE. For once, Night <3
Jeez ^^ I understand why your PKing at least, haha...
Im not in love with nukers if thats what you think, just stating the obvious, and if you want to PK with your AW, you are welcome, Im just merely pointing out the facts. (:
But then again, I was wrong to take that up in this thread. Though discussing a AWs pvp/pk potential in this thread is fairly right imo.
Dam I have a lvl 21 DE fighter I was thinking of making an assassin then AW. Was hoping to find some good info here. To bad it turned in to a nothing thread.
Well to add some somewhat useful comments in this thread.
Althoug i am not levelin a AW myself I am leveling a PW so im in the same class range. They Can pvp... they can pvp like crazy. Dagger classes that is. I also agree with spudnik on the not caring whether or not you get pwned or you pwn someone. The fact is that dagger classes can wipe people out in a few crits and landing there skills. Sadly enough at the release of C3 they got a nerf. but if you read the C5 info that was posted it seems one class will be better at killing one class than another..etc etc... my view is that nuker's will be getting a huge.. and i mean huge nerf hammer very soon.
Back to the topic of daggers...
Personally for c grade when i get tehre I am planning on getting plated leather set for the +4 str then a +4 dex -4 con tat for higher crit's and so forth.. i think for my dagger i might go crystal dagger with critical damage SA on it.
B grade: Either Zubei robes for +4 evasion.. or doom set for the +3 dex and the p.atk bonus and wtv else it gives..for weapon... demon sword with again..critical damage. seems to be the best out of the SA's.. unless i might be misunderstanding that focus gives an 81 incresed to critical chance it self?.. or the dmg done by a critical..
A grade: Either DC or Nightmare for sleep resistance make me unstopable agaisnt nukers... muahahah ;)... soul seperator with criticla damage (unless someone can explain focus to me :))
well considering I'm still in dgrade i wont even...even try to go to S grade lol.. got a longs way to go.. anyway hope this helped :)
P.S i might go +5 dex +3 str -8 con for my tats.. unless someone again can gimme a reason not too.. or a better selection.. D:
well as a PW you have much better passives for critical chance but nothing for critical power. my AW is the other way around. i have lower dex by nature too, so landing crits is not as common for me as it is for you.
thus it makes perfect sense for you to wear critical power SA on your stuff. me tho, i need the critical chance to make me lethal so giving me the +4dex would more benefit me for crit chances.
and yes, focus SA makes critical chance much higher. its about as good as having a focus 3 buff. right now tho, a focus 2 buff and focus sa dagger will put my overall crit chance around 200 which makes me crit 3/5 times swinging and about 1/5 missed specials.
throw in death whisper and i rarely miss >:D
you n me, man, we could really start some ***** together.
hi all meh if u are slowed then archer is a prob but otherwise a UE will fix that full speed fight right up if they arent already missing u on the run
but ok in the suggestions i had a post about getting daggers and warrior classes passives against mages i think would be a great upgrade in this games pvp, daggers get evasion against nukes and warriors get chance to block nukes with sheild
oo ok so daggers have no chance unless much higher then the mage almost all of the time cause being an evasion based class magic user vs u = u have 0 protection yet they are able to wear sheild and maybe even bring ur attk done to 1 dmg...wow
they have the option to slow to sleep once flagged and if stand still ...for some strange reason its harder to land on them so #1 rule hmmm dont expect to live if they see u and are not a morron so yea pretty much if ur fighting a mage ...go invisible or have ur fight in a croud were they are distracted that one usually works nice but they for some reason havent declared daggers support classes yet oo think they are working on something right now to fix it? hope so
P.S i might go +5 dex +3 str -8 con for my tats.. unless someone again can gimme a reason not too.. or a better selection.. D:
The talk I hear about daggers in my alliance from people that play 70+ daggers is +5 dex -5 str and +4 wit -4int.
The dex helps the most. Crits, speed, evasion, acuracy. Your power is in the frequency of the crits, not in how much damage done in a non-crit.
For XPing a focus dagger is king. PVP (probably not until A grade) go with Crit Damage. If you are lucky enough to find and aford a dagger with Might Mortal, it's your best pvp option.
The AW's I know wore doom in B grade. One wears Majestic and the others wear Nigthmare for A grade.
this is what im running with my dagger atm...
+3 Dex -3 Str
+2 dex -2 con
+4 wit -5 int
Doom Light
+6 Dark Screamer w focus
Health is low already so I didnt want to take it lower than I have to. And the wit tat is to help against SOME stat effects and is cheaper than +4 -4. Even though the DS has lower focus SA, I consider the difference in p.atk worth it.
But In C grade I was wearing plated leather. +4 Str -1con is one good SA. NM light for A grade is the best IMO.
I pvp alot of farmers because I piss em off by training their bots. All of them ar nukers so I throw a ghp before starting so i can get in close. I was able to take on 3 of em with 100hp left over. Used all of mp on skills on 2..dropped, critted away on the last one cancling a majority of his spells.
Oh, the best fun is a seige..Imagine 2-3 daggers on a run..one in front one in back doing backblow & skills....and 3rd for stuns from afar so the other 2 can get in close to start.