Maybe its me but there sure has been a huge amount of +16 weapons on the Bartz server in the last few weeks...what gives..is it just so many are finding so much luck or is it something else? Is it ++++luck or +++++cheat....what is everyone elses thoughts?
... plessed enchant scrolls have the same % of failure you just dont lose the wep but you lose al lthe enchants on it there not the reason and ya there is im gonna say theres another enchanting bug there hsas been one for a while now i just think more people are learning about it now ( by the way useing the most minimising of failure system youde need about 200 weps to make a +16 )
the only use i have seen for blessed enchants is on a grade or better weaps, or if your going to plus 4 on a c grade or better. Anything past +4 on a c grade or b grade you might as well just use a regular enchant.
lol i love the poast in the gen forums linking to this one every one saying bl bla bla blessed enchant scrolls mean more +16 weps ... theay dont take for instance you have a HOM there wat 7M? now you want to enchant it to +16 lets say for argument sake you got the enchants at 500k that means the enchants on a hom are 7.5M just to get to +15 stright up with no fails so by useing a blessed scroll there your going to be loseing 7.5M as oposed to the increased crystals youde get from popping a +15 and thats not even begining to count the 30% that will fail of the enchants blessed scrolls are made for people that have rare wepons (S and A grade) where the wepon is proposionaly more then the enchants or A & S weps with SA already on em and the owner wants that blue or the MM rarities left around
Does anyone know how to calculate the % chance of success upon enchanting a given weapon/armor?
All enchants are safe up to +3. (If your single armor item takes up both your upper and lower slots, you can safely enchant that item to +4, but NOT other armors.)
Each weapon enchant above +3 has a 2/3 chance of success. Armor enchant success is rumored to be lower.
So, 66.67% chance to get to +4, 44.44% to +5, 29.63% to +6, and so on.
I notice same thing on Hindemith,about 5 new red weapons,including one BOP(crashed >+17) and one B duals.But on other side,if we think deeper ,+16 is implemented in the game.So why it would exist if now one can do it?U say u maybe need 200 weps to do red.But i have killed minimum 5000 orcs in Cemetary area (4900 quest items) and no one of them dropped me neiter Emi or valhala recepy.One man next to me get his Emi bow on second orc he killed.So what ?You can do it at your first try,if u get lucky.
Does anyone know how to calculate the % chance of success upon enchanting a given weapon/armor?
All enchants are safe up to +3. (If your single armor item takes up both your upper and lower slots, you can safely enchant that item to +4, but NOT other armors.)
Each weapon enchant above +3 has a 2/3 chance of success. Armor enchant success is rumored to be lower.
So, 66.67% chance to get to +4, 44.44% to +5, 29.63% to +6, and so on.
Though your odds might be correct, your explanation isn't.
Every enchant scroll has a 2/3 chance of working each time you apply it. Much like flipping a coin. Twice I've had a weapon go from +0 to +11 in succession in one sitting, and many more times I've had a pile of crystals going to +4. All you have to ask yourself is ... "Do I feel lucky today?"
Back to the odds. Odds are you won't get successive positives, but it doesn't mean it can't happen. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. :p
There are many glitches in the game that people can cheat their way for more power.. Ive seen a dorf selling nothing but +16 weopons and +8 or 6 (dont remember) armor.. i think she has found a very nice glitch i will update this post with her name if i see her again.. but she isnt picky on what she over enchants she has deul lowest d grade +16 weopons just for looks
if some ones doing low d weps i doubt theres a bug ive done dual sabers before just for thr look as well its cheep and not too hard and the odds he was giveing arte for multibule successful enchants in a row
Its just so funny how stupid some people can sound ^^
first of all, there is no such thing as an exploit for a higher change of overenchanting,
after +3, its just an 66% change that it will succeed, people who have +16 weapons have been just very lucky. Its very stupid that some people say these guys use exploits or whatever to gain overenchanted weapons.
they might work really hard to obtain money so they can try to OE, while you making them look bad.
second of all, there arent lots of +16 weapons on each server.
off course, as people play longer, they get richer, so the number of highly OE weapons may increase,but you know, most of the highly OE'ed weapons are D or C grade. they can be trade with mammon to a weapon of same strenght.
For example, a +16 top D grade weapon, can be trade to another +16 top D grade weapon.
this way it seems that there are more +16 weapons on the server, but most of the time its just the same weapon traded with the BS of mammon.
Third, people have alts to sell stuff.
if you see different people with the same OE'ed weapons to sell, it could be that this character is an alt.
oh, and magmaqueen. is it UNSpacy who you are talking about?
if so, then listen please ^^ that dorf is using luck only to get the OE'ed weapons. The midget has been on bartz since prelude and been making money since then.
UNSpacy tells me often when he is gonna OE, and many, MANY weapons blow up before they go to +16.
please think before you blame people about using exploits or something. makes them look bad when they do everything legit...
ok noob 06/05/05
were you even arounbd for the roll back bug ? or the quest bug? or maby for the Hatchling bug? see there has bene menney bugs in this game hell we lost wish pot quest for almost a year.
there is or was at one time a enchant bug in this chronical, the market got saturated with +6-+8's
just telling that you shouldn't blame people for using exploits is there isn't any proof. it may be that there were many +6 - +8 weapons at one time, but that doesn't mean people used the exploits ^^
So if you have any proof,
show me, and ill never speak about this again...
I wont disagree that it is possible to make a +16 wep with expliots I also wont deny that the possibility of said expliots exist but what i will say is that just because you believe something doesnt mean it is true. Until you have evidence Dont name names as to who is a cheater(not saying anyone did cause magma couldnt remember name). I have talke dto unspacy a lot and have known him for quiet some time and known of him for even longer. If he says he did it legit that more than enough for me and until someone can prove others ....
im done talking about this i know that not all the +16's are legit there has been and im sure will be more enchanting ways
Here are the two versions as i see them:
Numero 1 - No exploit version
Ok,lets think in this way:If there is an exploit to make high level +++weapons,why people who know it will stop at 16?
As we now up to now limit is 20.So where are all these 20+weps?And as i said before,why this enchants will be implemented in game mechanics if no one could do it?Yea,they were only few red in the beginig.But same was with Soul Bow.Now i see almost every archer 61+ with brand new Soul Bow.So,is there any exploit with this?No,prices go down and people do some experiments.I am sure that many players are trying to make +16 C weap,i know at least 2 ,beacuse every time when the validation period ends,one trade char spawn in Giran and sells incredible huge ammounts of C crystals.For me there is no doubt he is trying to do +16 homu.Plus this every high+++wep i sow belongs to well known player,and i have seen most of this items going +0 to +16.I have not seen any dwarfs with names "rqwrqwrwqr" selling this weapons.And,if as every one here said the chance for sucsess is always 66%,u can make your self this experiment.Just flip a coin and see how much time it wll lands on the same side.Assume that there is a 50/50 chance.So with 66 chance for succes its looking not so hard.
Numero 2 - Cheat possible version.
.Anyway,on the other side,i was too suspisious about the large amount of +16 weps in Hindemith.But the strangest thing is that is happennig ot other servers too at the same time.Servers macro iconomy is diferent because of so many sub-factors,so i can not imagine all players are richer now. I am playing Hindemith from 3 moths(10-15 hours every day),and i have seen only 3 red for this time.And now,i sow more then 7 weapons made in one week.This made me feel so unhapy,so i even send a pettition to GM for possible bug (dont laugh at me.shame on me).Then i sow this post,and another one about same thing.Then,i heard some people in Giran talking in global chat saying that there is a bug overview in some l2 fan site.
(sorry for my very very bad english)
I have known Spacy for over few years on Bartz server. He's been in this this since closedbeta. He earns every single weapons and armors from proper ways (not cheating). He spent millions of adena to craft and OE weapons. If making +16 weapon that easy, then he will have many +16 B and A grade weapons instead of low grade weapons. It takes time, patient, and adena to make one +16 weapon. It took him few years to achieve this goal.
BTW, Spacy likes to exchange his D and C grade weapons through mammon and use it in his alt. This might confuse others that he have so many +16 D and C grade weapons.
ibe been arounbd just as long i have my share of oed wepons im just saying that the sudden emmergence of massivley plussed out wepons is too much of a conwinceidence i have also heard from some people there is a bug but i never said any names becouse if any one is useing theses bugs its not the people re selling the weps and i do know plenty of people that used to use the sell shop trick trying to find the bugged area tricks and the roll back trick.
The OE and crafting market is about mathematics and patience. Craft 10000 times and you will understand that the chance of a 60% recipe to work is nothing else but 60%. Same with the overenchanting. You can calculate the risk, add some profit and start to make business. Then craft and OE again. Sooner or later something will fail - but by that time you should have made enough profit already to compensate...
People who want to enchant the one weapon they use as high as possible will fail for sure.
On gustin i made +16 homu, also had 3 pairs of dual kats +15. Each one blew +15 > +16 and i tried method where u enchant some other weaepon like DS and if it blows U go on + that one that u really want to. And yes i have noticed too some more red weapons around.
well, in the end, it never seems worth it. You only see the +16's but the thing you dont see is all the blown up weapons.
I would OE just for fun, one event I got like 50-70 d wep scrolls and figured i would have some fun. So I just kept oe'ing swords of revelution. I blew up a ton of em and never got a plus 11 even.
When you think about it, unless you get real lucky you are going to lose money even if you get to the +16 eventually. Heck, 15 d wep enchants@cost is 15*400,000 which even hurts at that level.
In my exprience of over enchanting its not completely luck. Im probably completely wrong about this and sound really stupid but oh well.
When i OE a weapon and try to get it to +4 right when i buy it, it normally will blow up. But if i get it to +3 and use it for a while, then go and try to OE it, i can get it to +6. But if i try to early to get it higher it will pop. So i use it at +6 for a while thn go for +8.
So this gts to the point where i think that using the weapon more can raise its chance of not blowing up. and thats why when i go to make some money i never buy a +0 weapon from a dwarf, i buy the used ones and they always sem to make it to +8 easy.
But that is just a theory.