Want a better way to buy/sell?(idea for community)

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Alrighty folks, I've just so happen to have come across a great way to do several things (I will explain these below):
--help lower economy prices
--make buying a lot easier
--allow buying/shopping from any location, at any time--not just while you're in Giran
--even sort shops by location or name
--use an L2 feature that is unused, but perfect for this
--improve your methods of advertising what you're selling
--force outrageous prices to drop
--make "selling to best offer" much easier
--create an easier way to leave messages to a seller about an item while AFK

Yes, I am absolutely crazy--however, bear with me! I'm serious this time. XD

Once upon a time I was looking for a way to make my character stick out in Giran among other shops. I came up with this idea and have been using it for a while... I even have seen two people start doing it, too.

^_^

My idea is to use the /partymatching feature for shopping. It is very, very rarely used for making parties.
So instead, when you go to set up shop, think about using party matching on top of sitting there with your shop.
You can put WTB or WTS and what item you are offerring as the chat room title, and it will display your item with your name and location inside the /partymatching box.

This creates a yellow "Looking for Party" tag above your head.

There are a TON of advantages to getting people to do this...
Imagine if we could get more than just 3 people into it.
------Just one great effect from people starting to use this--LOWER ECONOMY PRICES. I know that sounds odd, but please think about it--all of the sudden, when you scroll down the

list to look at items for sale... It's SO much easier to see competition. This would place a crunch on the people who over charge--their prices would look ridiculous next to the genuine sellers!
-------Not only that, but cheaper prices would be a lot easier to find. What do you think about that?
That alone is worth setting up /partymatching everytime you sell, just to help save yourself some money come time for you to shop
------Farmers who charge a ton for items would be forced to charge lower...
------Also, if farmers/bots choose to not use this feature (as many will be slow to catch on if others use it), all the better--less advertising for the illegit and much more advertising for the legit!
------It would make shopping easier. You could shop from anywhere at any time, all you'd have to do was type /partymatching and peruse through the list of items.
------You could even sort them by location or by name (for seperate WTB and WTS lists) in case you didn't want to go far away!
------It draws attention to your shop more because players go, "Ooooo, shiny!! o_o" and *click.*
------Your sellers or buyers can leave messages easier--they can just enter your chat room and type in messages, and when you come back from being AFK you can read them. It's easier

to use than mail, and is pretty convenient.
------In that way, you could set up a "GOING TO BEST OFFER" sell shop and set the price to 999,999,999 adena or whatever you'd like, and open up your chat room--people could leave offers for you, and when you come back all you gotta do is PM the person who made the best one.

Ah, what can I say--can a girl dream? I just wish that with the help of those that read the forums it could actually work...

So c'mon. ^^ Set up a /partymatching room while you're buying or selling.
ughhhhh blue font .... why? im not reading it ><
Alright, I would agree that it wasn't the best, but I'm a colorful person. I wanted something to organize it with... But okay, I took it out.

By the way, I think that was just an excuse as to why you don't have to read the long post. XD

This creates a yellow "Looking for Party" tag above your head.


I've never used this for anything but I simply hate the idea of using partymatching for WTB/WTS crap. Besides, I thought people were already using this for selling junk.

It's bad enough that it's all that hero chat is used for (yeah, I turned it on for a brief time to see what I was missing).
I'm sorry... It really wouldn't affect you if it was used, would it? Nothing can force you to open up party matching... I can't see why you would disaprove of an easier way to shop or less scamming/overpricing.

It would also keep people from spamming other chats with WTB/WTS... No one will want to read fast-moving spam--just use the list.

However, I respect your opinion and can see where you're coming from. Hero chat is used a lot for WTB/WTS... It is pretty annoying... Someone add an IQ test to Hero application?
Honestly, I don't care if it's used this way or not. I don't use it. However, I really don't see how it could cut down on scamming.

Heroes can spam all the nonsense they want. They've already proven to me that they don't have one interesting thing to say. Hero chat won't be turned on again.

I usually have shout and trade turned off as well. Most much less useless chatter.

Explain the scamming thing further.
Eve online has a very similar function to this. I think it might be nice. Adds an easy way to show without reverting to the auction house that i loathe so much.
Well, I don't mean adding huge flashing lights for players.

But it would make a small difference in cutting down on overpricing.

Let's take me; I'm a noob. I want to buy a bronze set, top NG, sure... I can run around Giran, Gludio, Gludin and see maybe... A bronze set for 200k.
Nothing to a high level player, but bronze set is worth like 75k...
If we use the party matching, it's in a list--I see
"WTS bronze set 200k" and below it (when sorted by name)
"WTS brnz set ONLY 75k."
And I can go, wow... 200K? Nub.
=P Same thing can be repeated with higher level items, such as the highly demanded A grade helms--or just to simply find the cheapest price.

EDIT: NCSoft wouldn't even have to add anything new for us to use this... No waiting for new features. It's already there! :D

Well, I don't mean adding huge flashing lights for players.

But it would make a small difference in cutting down on overpricing.

Let's take me; I'm a noob. I want to buy a bronze set, top NG, sure... I can run around Giran, Gludio, Gludin and see maybe... A bronze set for 200k.
Nothing to a high level player, but bronze set is worth like 75k...
If we use the party matching, it's in a list--I see
"WTS bronze set 200k" and below it (when sorted by name)
"WTS brnz set ONLY 75k."
And I can go, wow... 200K? Nub.
=P Same thing can be repeated with higher level items, such as the highly demanded A grade helms--or just to simply find the cheapest price.

EDIT: NCSoft wouldn't even have to add anything new for us to use this... No waiting for new features. It's already there! :D


Okay, what's to stop me from saying "WTS brnz 75K" in Giran but really having it for sale for 200k? You lost all those port fees to find out I'm lying.
Nothing, but really, what would the person who typed it out gain?

He just ****** offa lotta people.
Yay I get to be PK'd?
Yay I made no sales?

Everyone will want to sell their product--therefore, they will be telling the truth in hopes that their price will look the best compared to others.

People are too busy trying to sell their item in market to do something that won't help them--too greedy. lol ^^

Nothing, but really, what would the person who typed it out gain?

He just ****** offa lotta people.
Yay I get to be PK'd?
Yay I made no sales?

Everyone will want to sell their product--therefore, they will be telling the truth in hopes that their price will look the best compared to others.

People are too busy trying to sell their item in market to do something that won't help them--too greedy. lol ^^


How are you going to PK someone in town? All this does is give a global voice to those scamming. I can still sell 570 D crystals for 6537 each...
You know I meant PK outside. ^^

And I didn't say this would end world hunger, or stop complete scamming... XD It's just one more step towards doing something that helps.

PS: Those who scam also will not read this post. They will have absolutely no idea how to work party matching... Very few people know about it truly.
And if they do figure it out, you'll be able to tell they scam by how they set it up--often times they won't be smart enough to change the level. You'd be surprised.

You know I meant PK outside. ^^

And I didn't say this would end world hunger, or stop complete scamming... XD It's just one more step towards doing something that helps.


I'm not saying it's a horrible idea, either. I'm merely saying that it won't do anything for scamming except broadcast it globally. I'm I've setup a scam shop, instead of having to use "3rd party" software to shout what I'm selling, I can now broadcast my stuff across all of Aden.

I did give you 5 stars, however, for writing such a well-written post and removing the blue text. Thus saving my very old eyes...
Yes, I do see your point aswell--thank you. ^^ Support is always cool <3
The blue was pretty bad... If only there was 256 color choice for forum text colors.
Very, very good ideas... I salute the OP!

But, as I am a complete and hopeless n00b when it comes to using the party matching features (never used them, not once). The only problem I can see with that suggestions (which absolutely love, I think they're great and I really wonder why hasn't anyone thought about it before) is this: I set up a private store, use the way you described to advertise it, and then go afk. the item sells, but my party matching chat stays on... The next person looking for it, will come and find me, just to see the item allready sold...
I would rather people started using it. <.<

as I am a complete and hopeless n00b when it comes to using the party matching features


Don't feel bad. It took me about 1/2 an hour to figure this out last night. :o
I'm not convinced that this will work the way the OP hopes, using the Bronze armor @200k example from above...

First vendor put bronze armor at 200k, in the example aboce the second put it at 75k and the system allowed the buyer to find the lower price.

However, under the proposed system, the 2nd seller would be able to spot the 200k first vendor. Rather than underprice at 75k, they would know the next lowest price was 200k and they would price their Bronze Set, perhaps, at 190k. The buyer would find the 190k one and think they saved 10k. Actually, under the old system where the 2nd seller did not have the patience to shop, the buyer could have saved 125k...IF they had the patience to shop around.

Therefore, I submit that this 'new' system would be used by sellers to standardize prices at a HIGH range (we know who many sellers are, right?) and would thus, unintentionally, result in the absence of bargins...the bargins which the patient players use to equip themselves and make a profit on reselling.

Sadly, I think that this would make prices higher and the situation worse, not better.
basicaly people love the way the system works now, cuz they can spend all day in town making money. Ripping off people who arent patient.

Im sure patients should be rewarded, but I don't think keeping the market so un-user friendly and vague is what we should be aiming for. The market and the mechanics that support it should be made at least a little easier.

I would be in favor of a system which shows you where the items you want are. Lets say you want a Doom helm. You slect it in a menu or type it out, and it shows you every shop that is selling a doom helm. It doesnt have to show price. Im not totaly for a system that allows you to stand in one spot and view every shop in L2 from a menu. Im just suggesting a system that works like /findprivatestore but actually finds items, and not lame store text. You would still have to go from shop to shop and look at the prices. And if you want to find bargins, and misprices, you'd still have to search endlessly through town shops. But now people who want a specific item could find it and get on with their lives.

I hate getting stuck on some craft because of one lame mat that I can't find, even after combing the stores several times over.

basicaly people love the way the system works now, cuz they can spend all day in town making money. Ripping off people who arent patient.


I like the current system and I've never ripped anyone off. That said, I don't always know what things are worth and will setup a shop with, what I feel, is an outragiously high price. If it sells, it sells. If not, I lower it. I have probably overpriced an item or two and have probably grossly underpriced quite a bit more.

Okay, once I accidently setup a scam shop selling EADs instead of EWDs. Someone PMed me and told me it was wrong and I immediately changed it. Yeah, I had be playing for like 15 hours straight and was very tired (I doubt anyone believes this, though)...
Edit: one time I accidently sold some EWDs at EAD prices so I guess I got my karma...
I think it's a great idea and the more people that start using it the more it will evolve.

I'm gonna give a test run when I go to bed tonight as I set up shop. I'm interested to try this out and I know a couple other people I'm going to throw this idea to.

Who knows, maybe NCSoft will this and make a new feature that works like this.


as I am a complete and hopeless n00b when it comes to using the party matching features


Don't feel bad. It took me about 1/2 an hour to figure this out last night. :o



Thank god... I'm glad I'm not the only one... :D
I've seen people with the "Looking for Party" tag above their head while they were selling and I always just assumed that they were selling to pass the time while waiting for a party. I've never once checked the party matcher to see if they were selling something and I betcha 95% of the players out there haven't either. I also agree with Rum, I think it would be a way for sellers to standardize their prices.

Like right now, DC shields on my server can go from anywhere between 2 mil and 12 mil. I like to think the 12 mil sellers are just scamming, since the price used to be 1.2 mil, they just added an extra zero, but at this point, there are as many players selling for 10 mil - 12 mil as there are players selling for 2 mil. Is it a rare item? No way. Does it need to cost 12 mil? Absolutely not. But some people started scamming, then when other people checked the prices they saw a bunch of 12 mils around and they thought that was actually the price, so now we see DC shields all over the place for 10 mil. Stupid, no?

Really, this method could go either way. Force players to lower their prices OR cause players to raise them. Regardless, I don't think there will ever be many players using this method.
imo anybody who uses partymatching for wtb/wts should get a 72 hour ban. ty

imo anybody who uses partymatching for wtb/wts should get a 72 hour ban. ty


And anyone that uses anything other than trade channel for wtb/wts should be banned as well, right? (I wish).


imo anybody who uses partymatching for wtb/wts should get a 72 hour ban. ty


And anyone that uses anything other than trade channel for wtb/wts should be banned as well, right? (I wish).



wouldn't bother me one bit...

/partymatching is designed for a specific function... using it to buy/sell is an exploit and therefore all who use it should be banned.

Besides... all it is is an auction house, but you can't directly buy the item. It's a bad idea no matter how you look at it.
This is a massively long post... Messy, but these are replies to individual user comments.
Might have better luck skimming or something... Or just ask a question/post a comment without reading--I don't mind re-stating what I say at all.

RumPunch

I'm not convinced that this will work the way the OP hopes, using the Bronze armor @200k example from above...

First vendor put bronze armor at 200k, in the example aboce the second put it at 75k and the system allowed the buyer to find the lower price.

However, under the proposed system, the 2nd seller would be able to spot the 200k first vendor. Rather than underprice at 75k, they would know the next lowest price was 200k and they would price their Bronze Set, perhaps, at 190k. The buyer would find the 190k one and think they saved 10k. Actually, under the old system where the 2nd seller did not have the patience to shop, the buyer could have saved 125k...IF they had the patience to shop around.

Therefore, I submit that this 'new' system would be used by sellers to standardize prices at a HIGH range (we know who many sellers are, right?) and would thus, unintentionally, result in the absence of bargins...the bargins which the patient players use to equip themselves and make a profit on reselling.

Sadly, I think that this would make prices higher and the situation worse, not better.


That is also a good arguement, and a rather clever point.
I would agree that the situation could go either way...
However, the first people to use this feature will be those who are out to do something good--no farmers will think of doing this until absolutely forced, no scammers will think of it.
Scammers/overpricers and farmers will be the last to use this feature--they like making money the way they do, and are unlikely to even notice a change since this would have to be small scale.

Even if many people won't use it, some still can--for example, someone said they'd try it earlier in the thread. Alright, he/she can use it and I can aswell. It won't hurt anyone who doesn't want to use it (no, the yellow will not burn your eyes), and for those of us who do it'll simply be a touch of convenience.
No farmer or scammer is going to log on and say, "Oh, I think I want to spend time trying to figure out how the heck I do the yellow thing just so I can target an audience who has to volunteer to read what i say...?"
They're FORCING. They spam and spam to force your eyes do read what they want you to as best they can. They cram into the places where you HAVE to go buy so that you, whether wanting to or not, will read it.
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EcronyteIDC

basicaly people love the way the system works now, cuz they can spend all day in town making money. Ripping off people who arent patient.


Yes, but unfortunately so there are impatient people who still deserve good service, or patient people who deserve a break from half an hour of Giran-trolling...


Im sure patients should be rewarded, but I don't think keeping the market so un-user friendly and vague is what we should be aiming for. The market and the mechanics that support it should be made at least a little easier.


I would agree--however, note that for just a little bit more difficult of a task for buying/selling, you're weeding out the lazy people (those most prone to scamming because they won't work for their money).
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SirElrohir

I like the current system and I've never ripped anyone off. That said, I don't always know what things are worth and will setup a shop with, what I feel, is an outragiously high price. If it sells, it sells. If not, I lower it. I have probably overpriced an item or two and have probably grossly underpriced quite a bit more.


Yes! ^_^ A lot of us do this... Honest players make good market deals for everyone. It can stay that way--honest players can use this as a good method to help other players meet and find other trustworty, good, nice, and honestly geniune dealmakers.
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Listof

I've seen people with the "Looking for Party" tag above their head while they were selling and I always just assumed that they were selling to pass the time while waiting for a party. I've never once checked the party matcher to see if they were selling something and I betcha 95% of the players out there haven't either.


Yet another good point... That's what I'm saying, though. No one uses this--not even for party. The "Looking for Party" tag may be misleading, I agree (if only you could turn it off)... But even then, that helped you sort a bit. You assumed that the people sitting must not be bots, or farmers--why would bots be looking for a party, or why would farmers ever be anything but AFK?


Like right now, DC shields on my server can go from anywhere between 2 mil and 12 mil. I like to think the 12 mil sellers are just scamming, since the price used to be 1.2 mil, they just added an extra zero, but at this point, there are as many players selling for 10 mil - 12 mil as there are players selling for 2 mil. Is it a rare item? No way. Does it need to cost 12 mil? Absolutely not. But some people started scamming, then when other people checked the prices they saw a bunch of 12 mils around and they thought that was actually the price, so now we see DC shields all over the place for 10 mil. Stupid, no?


I see what you mean, but when players didn't buy the item (there will be a transit time before all prices are expensive) the higher ups would be forced to lower, first. Think about it--there will be a time where users will see both too low and too high prices... Will it collapse to low prices fast enough, or soar to high first?
"Really, this method could go either way. Force players to lower their prices OR cause players to raise them."
/ditto
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HIeverybody

imo anybody who uses partymatching for wtb/wts should get a 72 hour ban. ty


Rather sorry you feel that way... Thanks for replying to my topic at least, though. All input is welcome.


/partymatching is designed for a specific function... using it to buy/sell is an exploit and therefore all who use it should be banned.


Not at all. It isn't exploiting it--it's making up for something in which NCSoft may lack. NCSoft won't ban if users find their own satisfaction in using a feature that they created, even if it's in a different way...
Very rarely it's used for a specific function, but isn't user-friendly enough for that specific function--if people can make use of it, why not?
NCSoft spent time on making that function instead of fixing other bugs.
So what's better: getting a function you can use instead of getting critical bugs fixed, or getting a funciton that no one uses and everyone hates ASWELL as having no critical bugs fixed?


Besides... all it is is an auction house, but you can't directly buy the item. It's a bad idea no matter how you look at it.


Oh really? Lol. ^^ Auction house is even more un-user friendly, also bugged and hard to read. I'm not saying this is the best... But it's not a bad improvement
You get good service - you just have to set your priorities.

I don't go around asking for higher exp rates on the real servers just because I don't like levelling - and if I did, which I won't, I'd get shot down for it rightfully - so why do people think that people who are lazy at the market deserve to be rich any more than people who don't like to level deserve to be high level?

I don't go around asking for higher exp rates on the real servers just because I don't like levelling - and if I did, which I won't, I'd get shot down for it rightfully - so why do people think that people who are lazy at the market deserve to be rich any more than people who don't like to level deserve to be high level?



Whoa, whoa... I don't think the lazy people deserve to be rich at all.
And I certainly hope you don't compare me to someone begging for higher EXP rates... I seriously don't want to be percieved as that type of person. I've played L2 for over a year and am still only lv31--and by choice! I spend time talking or buying/selling, but I have never complained about my level... I like leveling. ^^
So I hope you don't compare me to that type of player.

To be honest...
I don't really mind things the way they are... It's inconvenient, but it works.

I simply believe it would be a good idea to add convenience... I'm really not in favor for helping the lazy, but as is the buy/sell situation is, well... Messy.
I mean... Yes, you can call it helping the lazy. But it's doing so much more for the people who AREN'T lazy--the lazies won't even think of using this... Only you folk who say, "Hey, you know, I've been ripped off or frustrated by the searching before and would like a better way..." can help change things.