And this game isn't broken?

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Screens of a 78 Soultaker's stats with DC / Arcana robes.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/755/lvl78malaria1xt.jpg

This is of course not including transfer pain which gives him virtually 12k HP in pvp and a nice host of debuffs / drains / nukes and Dark Vortex.

Why do we even bother playing this junk?
Buffed? Unbuffed? What wep? What SA? Gotta get more info before I condemn it as Broken (tho I admit, its probably broken).
It is obviously buffed, weapon is a +4 arcana mace with acumen.

These stats shouldn't even be possible, this is a charecter who can cast at insane speeds, 2shot nearly all classes in the game and has 12k HP, 1.5k m.def and 1k p.def.
Nah, its just playa thats broken, lol.
Its... Insane? :eek:
Yup, I agree with LC here. ^^

You're almost making it sound like overpowered mages are the discovery of the day to you... ever played during C3 and C4? :p

Even C5 won't help much to balance things... only thing they came up with against mages is taking their mana away... and adding mana pots at the same time. ;)

Cal
Lol, indeed..

But they did give us healers the "Erase summon skill"



with a low landing rate :-P
An increase of about 35% over the 3k MAtk that used to shock people.

While the 2k MDef that we've seen from some classes (orcs and ESs) are almost twice of what nukers have had to deal with. ;)

That said, defense needs a serious boost. :p
Yes necros are the most over powered class right now. But i'd rather face a C-4 necro then a C-2 TH. I'm guessing/hopeing they will ne nerfed in C-5. If not then we are going to see alot more necro sub classes.
"mass curse gloom" isnt a nerf ?

they should add "aoe sweep" for dorfs ... instead of giving this class more :(
Mass curse gloom requires the necromancer to move his precious, frail TP (which is still not extra HP) into the middle of an enemy group.

I'd be curious to see how long a servitor lasts in concentrated fire without UD - considering their [censored] defense, I would say "not very long".
Why is it that people keep forgetting that this is a group pvp game as well as a game where you are supposed to be striving for more power.

Not to say you HAVE TO play this way but for a game that is going to be out for years it makes sense that the classes become more and more powerful as they go up.

Let's say that the xp rate was even harder. Is it right for a lvl 10 player to bemoan how powerful a lvl 30 player is? Should they say that the game is broken because a lvl 30 player has so many more resources?

I feel that though some balancing does need to be done, everything needs to be looked at in relation to the "whole" of the game.

What about in a few years when people are lvl 80+ but there are a whole bunch of 100+ running around.

The abilites of sub 75 don't necessarily have to define what the game and the player's powers have to be.

To me the only real issue is that there are playes who don't have time to put in to the game to get to these higher lvls. That is why the idea of a relaxed server with limited game time per week is so attractive to some.

The game is not broken if similiar lvled players have matching skills or skills that compliment or act as an alternative to what powers are out there.

C5 seems to be a good start to bring things to a greater balance. Though only time will tell.

As long as people are enjoying themselves to some lvl then they are fine. If not then there are other diversions out there.
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As long as people are enjoying themselves to some lvl then they are fine. If not then there are other diversions out there.



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Muahahhahahahahahahaha !

Boy those wizards have an answer for everything.

Does make me feel kinda weird, and stupid, because i don't understand most of what these idiots are talking about.

Stupid wizards... All that jibberish talk...

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Like what, girls ?





Exactly! :D

Why is it that people keep forgetting that this is a group pvp game as well as a game where you are supposed to be striving for more power.



Yeah, and charecters like this can easily take out a whole group of 75s solo...........

Mass curse gloom requires the necromancer to move his precious, frail TP (which is still not extra HP) into the middle of an enemy group.

I'd be curious to see how long a servitor lasts in concentrated fire without UD - considering their [censored] defense, I would say "not very long".



uh, transfer pain has unlimited range so their pet with tp on, should never be near them when they know they are going to get into pvp. Literally the pet can be in talking island the pvp can be in the last room of Forge of the Gods and the transfer pain will still work.

I'd be curious to see how long a servitor lasts in concentrated fire without UD - considering their [censored] defense, I would say "not very long".



About exactly as long as it takes me to cast banish :p


Mass curse gloom requires the necromancer to move his precious, frail TP (which is still not extra HP) into the middle of an enemy group.

I'd be curious to see how long a servitor lasts in concentrated fire without UD - considering their [censored] defense, I would say "not very long".



uh, transfer pain has unlimited range so their pet with tp on, should never be near them when they know they are going to get into pvp. Literally the pet can be in talking island the pvp can be in the last room of Forge of the Gods and the transfer pain will still work.

I think you missed the point. Someone was talking about Mass Curse Gloom, which is centered on the summon. Maline was well aware of the TP issue you described. She was saying that the "leave your servitor far away" necro tactic is incompatible with using Mass Curse Gloom.

...and your "literally" isn't literally true, unless you walk from Talking Island to Elmore :)

Screens of a 78 Soultaker's stats with DC / Arcana robes.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/755/lvl78malaria1xt.jpg

This is of course not including transfer pain which gives him virtually 12k HP in pvp and a nice host of debuffs / drains / nukes and Dark Vortex.

Why do we even bother playing this junk?



1) he is level 78. not level 40. dont freak out, you can get that high at that level too.

2) he is fully buffed noblesse. that should tell you a) he works really hard at his playing, and b) he knows what he is doing.

3) playa constantly pwns RG on hindemith. most of hindemith server appreciates him.

he inst usually red.

4) hes tripped out on the highest stuff u can get including a +16 weapon. check out his video (hindemith server of l2guru.com for it)

if you dont wanna bother playing the game anymore, go right ahead, gimme ur stuff, but i like playa, hes as hard to beat as they come. when the time comes, you want him on your side.

and no, this game isnt broken.



1) he is level 78. not level 40. dont freak out, you can get that high at that level too.



complete bs, i have played chars level 75+ on pts, and nothing can compare to the power of a nuker at those levels. And especially, nothing can stand a nuker at those levels, not even a UDed tank.




2) he is fully buffed noblesse. that should tell you a) he works really hard at his playing, and b) he knows what he is doing.



more bs, i was noblesse, and no noblesse buffs actually buff you, they are all RB/siege/group oriented.




3) playa constantly pwns RG on hindemith. most of hindemith server appreciates him.

he inst usually red.



who care about who he is? the point was the stats, not the character.



4) hes tripped out on the highest stuff u can get including a +16 weapon. check out his video (hindemith server of l2guru.com for it)



even with +16 full set of jewels, you can't expect to stand so high a matk, and it is way easier to have a +16 weapon than a +16 complete jewels set.



if you dont wanna bother playing the game anymore, go right ahead, gimme ur stuff, but i like playa, hes as hard to beat as they come. when the time comes, you want him on your side.

and no, this game isnt broken.



Thx for that priceless "u noob" comment, that game is broken, we all know it, but i'm not surprised to see some roxxors don't want to see their class rebalanced. What's the problem? you are tired of rerolling each time a new class become overpowered?

and no, this game isnt broken.



With buffs, that necro can probably solo 5 players his level. If the game wasn't broken, C5 wouldn't be entirely about balancing issues.
Touché. That's all I have to add.
Sadly they aren't balancing necros all that much.
Very true. It was a step in the right direction, but healers needed something much more fearful than that burn skill - like silence. <cough>

And thanks for the explanation bekkar. ^>^ Next time I will write in shorter sentences.
I'm waiting for the day they make TKs/EEs totally overpowered. I'll litterally laugh myself into a coma.


and no, this game isnt broken.



With buffs, that necro can probably solo 5 players his level. If the game wasn't broken, C5 wouldn't be entirely about balancing issues.



5? Try, entire parties. :confused:


and no, this game isnt broken.



With buffs, that necro can probably solo 5 players his level. If the game wasn't broken, C5 wouldn't be entirely about balancing issues.



Unfortunately, from what we've read from the translated korean PTS patch notes, they aren't balancing the game at all. Someone tell me how a "Defensive Mage", the nemesis of "Offensive Mages", is suppose to stop nukers? Their Mana Burn spell takes away 100 MP. Even if it casts faster than Aura Flare, and has a range of 900, this won't do anything to a nuker.

This Soul Taker will kill that Defensive Mage in 3 shots, and lose what, maybe 200 MP from Mana Burn? Wow, nice play balance there.


and no, this game isnt broken.



With buffs, that necro can probably solo 5 players his level. If the game wasn't broken, C5 wouldn't be entirely about balancing issues.



Yea, and he only needs 5 support classes to get those buffs.

3) playa constantly pwns RG on hindemith. most of hindemith server appreciates him.

he inst usually red.




Well this Playa is on Erica and his Ally actually includes both RedGuard and PeaceCountry and they kill anyone who tries to stop the farmers. He is often red and most of the server doesn't like him.

The thread was not about that though. The fact is thhat it is impossible for any other class to get as powerful as that, that in my opininon makes the game very broken. and about the buff thing, he only needs a BD, Prophet and SE all of which are commmon 2 boxed toons, I think he also had an SWS for these screenshots.

about the buff thing, he only needs a BD, Prophet and SE all of which are commmon 2 boxed toons, I think he also had an SWS for these screenshots.

1) BD
2) Prophet
3) SE
4) SwS
...yep, only 4 support classes buffing him. Obviously shouldn't be stronger than anyone else. :)

Yes, there are balance issues here. The screenshot proves nothing, though, because it's a blatantly biased situation.
What other class can obtain stats like that with the same buffs? NONE

The buffs he has is part of the inbalance, but why do they make the arguement invalid?


3) playa constantly pwns RG on hindemith. most of hindemith server appreciates him.

he inst usually red.

4) hes tripped out on the highest stuff u can get including a +16 weapon. check out his video (hindemith server of l2guru.com for it)

if you dont wanna bother playing the game anymore, go right ahead, gimme ur stuff, but i like playa, hes as hard to beat as they come. when the time comes, you want him on your side.

and no, this game isnt broken.



Umm are u talking about Playa of Erica of which the stats belong to or someone else on another server?

Playa on Erica has made a deal with PeaceCountry. A raid boss farmer clan and even invited them into their ally. Hence Playa and his allies dont have to fight or compete with the farmer companies, instead work along side them. On Erica RedGuard, another RB farmer clan, tried to work along side Playa's long old rival HKizzle, as such they target them as enemy even after HK left.

This game no longer about player verse player, about player verse companies. Either u work with them and make money along side them, paying customer for their cheap products, or ur in the their way. What L2 has become.

What other class can obtain stats like that with the same buffs? NONE

The buffs he has is part of the inbalance, but why do they make the arguement invalid?

You're just confusing the issue by adding in 4+ characters worth of buffs on him, it's an underhanded scare tactic (even if you don't realize that's what you're doing) by implying "this guy could beat anyone 1v1" and not mentioning that it's more like 5v1 with the number of buffs he has on.

If the character, alone, is the problem...show the stats of the character, alone. If the character with 4 dedicated buffers is the problem...compare him to a party of 5, don't show his stats alone and say "charecters like this can easily take out a whole group of 75s solo" when you're, by what you're saying now, only talking about parties of 5+ anyway.

In other words, don't mention his solo power if you're talking about group PvP. Don't mention his buffed stats if you're talking about solo power. They're two different situations which call for a different basis for comparison.
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/9979/image22ag0xf.jpg
A lvl 77 Sagitarius

You know what this guys would do to playa
3 crits end game
if stun lands on the necro then makes it even easier.
Its easy to look at a class and say OMGZZZZZ theya re soooo ubar I can't compete. Bah as a sorcerer if an archer stun lands its over if my sleep doesn;t land its over if my cancel doesn't take away mag barrier its over. I didn;t pick this class do to its ubarness I picked it because it looked fun. I am tired of everyone whining that so an so class with full buffsz and rip through ... with no uffs or self buffs. (cept they don;t add that part). I mean how much dmg owuld I do if I hit and sws with prot fire and flame guard up. hmm can tell you its less that an archer will hit me for or even an sws with a bow will hit me for. NERF SWS
The thing is that he could probably beat anyone else who was equally buffed, too.