I'm between these two classes I just want to know which class is better at PVP (without full buffs, just equipment & skills) and which class will be better in C5?
If you totally wanted to dominate PvP at this time, then you should have gone Necromancer. That's the almighty PvP class of the moment.
BUT..
Things change in this game... I played back when Dagger users could kill you with a look (okay so not that easy but almost). They can't any more.
I'm assuming you want to advance your character? That means since you don't get XP for PvP you are going to spend a LOT of time just playing. So... Which is better? Spellhowler or Phantom Summoner?
Whichever you like playing....
They have very different skill sets. Phantom Summoners rely on their summons. That IS there skills for the most part. They require someone who understands the way to control and utilize the summons.
Spellhowlers rely on their own spells. Hurricane, Death Spike, etc. They have to kill things fast on their own.
Acually I would of gone with Necro BUT I like the look of the Dark Elf so the only mage choice I have for them was PS OR SH so bascially I was asking which of the two is better at PVP not PVE at PVP battling outside and in the arena??!
Of the two I'd say Spellhowlers are usually considered better at PvP and you seem to like what they can do, so I'd say go for it.
There are a number of people who are able to transcend some of the limitations of their class and just be plain awesome. This is because they have great skill playing that particular class.
Summoners take a different kind of player than Spellhowlers do.
I basically like to stand from far and hit with my most powerful spell first and then hit with the second best I love the fact that I can almost keep playing without worrying about MP cuz of my BTM and I never expect to sit down and regenerate I like the nuker skills and enjoy the fact that I can stand from far and shoot!! :) Is that what you meant? I'm basically a grinder and raider and group with Clannie type of person till I get higher I expect tp eventually start pvping! Thats why I want to now which is better what pvping in general! OR I guess which one would be better for me to pvp with?
From the sound SH is you choise since you like to stand from afar and nuke.
Just looking at the pvp is a bit wrong since you have alot of grinding ahead of you.
As a PS you usually go in and "get dirty" alongside with you're summon, since you got no new nukes after 35.
While in mass PVP i often hide back with healers and send my pet in for me that isn't really normal. Actually against even levels i sue magic in PVP a lot, not for damage, but for cubics. I can do maybe 500 damage with a nuke and maybe activate a cubic.
Overally though i'm getting hit often and TP really is what allows me to NOT die in PVP. I do lots of damage though and against fighter classes i'm pretty good. I haven't fought a nuker since lvl 58 1V1 so i really dont' know how i'd fare.
Ok thanks a ton but the problem is I noticed that you don't get TP till level 52 or 53 or something and that most PH wouldn't stand up to pvping till they get that skill which a SH can probably just nuke away as usual?
TP begins at 40. 10% per level of the toggle, which means it's only 10% at 40...but at that point you're basically a nuker with light armor and a full-power servitor, so there isn't much room to complain ;)
Cool thanks it still makes it hard for me to decide to go PS OR SH? LOL :( I wish there was an easier way hmm.. like seeing the two PVP upfront and see who wins :) (also make sure they are around the same level and so forth) heh
I dont know anyone who intentionally/often pvps without buffs. If you are asking who does better in pvp without anything but self buffs, its a PS, no doubt. At level 58, we have might and shield 3 for our pet, haste 2 our pet, magic barrier two for our pet, and might/shield one for ourselves along with conc 2. SH only have the self buffs.
PS are good enough self buffed that we can go on pk sprees totally naked, just using our pet and pet ss/sps.
If you want ownage with buffs, go SH. You stand from a distance and nuke fast and furious with very strong nukes. You're very vulnerable to stun and any sort of damage.
PS in most pvp are standing off to the side, merely working to keep their pet alive. They are not nuking (much) and any deaths the cause is because of the damage their pet did, not their nukes. They are sturdier than SH because they often wear LA and have transfer pain.
Judging from what you've posted here, I think you'd prefer a SH: you want to do the damage, not have a pet do it. I've played both a 6x SH and a 6x PS. While I love all the damage the SH can do, she's too fragile and I like that most people aren't used to fighting summoners. Their ignorance gives me quite an advantage ;)