I am A lvl55 BH. I recently started doing some castle siges and defends, with the new clan and aalliance. I have now been involved in war. pretty dang fun.
I have Full BW heavy and AoBA, also +str -con tats. My main problem that annoys the heck out of me is I CANT CATCH THE mages or archers. When i do i usually stunn then the clannies help kill em. but Its rare.
Would it be a good move to get +dex-con tats for more speed and swings? Maybe other tactics?
I know PVP isnt a Dwarves best strength in game but it is part of game and im realizing how much of a blast it is. Just want to maximize my Fun.
When I solo I 2 box with a prophet so im not too concerned about that aspect. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Orc Destroyers or Tanks are probably the closest to dwarven PvP style, giving you more options, but still lacking horribly compared to ranged and mage classes.
If you want to win PvP, reroll archer or nuker.
If you just want to PvP with a dwarf, it doesn't really matter what you do.
Not that it'll help much, your range will be crap and you'll probably miss a lot. Stun is the only thing BH's get worthwhile for squishy targets, too bad we're so slow.
Get a bow sure BH's with +STR and armor sets for more damage can actualyl leach out quite some sick damage with a bow.
Don't expect to ever be usefull in 1v1 or small pvp figts up to like 9 peopels but in a siege area, your able to do some damage at least specialy with bow and crit bufs, I can say this much :P You can easely drop robe users this way, And one thing for sure is, dwarfs aint targeted first at the siege area for the most time. So your able to kill some if your lucky :P
But yes as they said never really expect to 'win' or 'own' in any way. When I PVP with my dwarf I never bother pulling up my blunt or whatever, becose truly most run in PvP, and specialy when taking hits they start to move around to slow teh damage and mess them up while rangers droping em. So a bow is a really good choise.
The majority of dwarves that will answer you here are BH so what they tell you is probably correct. I am a WS myself and my PvP experiences are a bit differant. I have heard stories and seen screenshots of some high level dwarves that go with a bow and majestic light(we do get light masteries). From my understanding they do rather well in PvP this way. They also seem to go with +4 Str +4 Dex and -8con most often. We WS are in a decidely differant boat as far as PvP goes as we have our summons that have much higher Patk numbers than we do.
Thanks for the additianl reply's. I was considering the +4dex tats that were mentioned because that my frustration I CANT CATCH THEM!! when i do, i stun them fairly easy even higherlvl casters. So i was going to get the dex to run a bit faster and swing faster to help with that. Hmmmm A bow. We neeed a couple more skills:) Ill look into a bow also. Yes its true every one runs away from me in pvp, much easier to nuke me from across the field ;)
Dex doesn't effect dwarf and orc stats much so its not worth getting imo. Believe it or not its more beneficial to -dex seeing that you get more out of it. As it stands BH has no chance against range classes atm, though that changes when you become a fortune seeker and even in c5 with the war frenzy skill it gives you a better chance.
So my advice to you is don't worry about range classes because clearly it really isn't our job to kill them. And start saving for those 2h blunts in c5. There the redemption of dwarves I'm telling you. :P
get a bow. you'll be harder to kite by ranged classes, altho dealing a bit less damage, and if any bow decides to 1v1 you he'll quickly find out that you have half his damage but twice the p.def and thrice the hp ;)
Nice 2 handed blunts. Warfrenzy? sound fun. I should be a grade then too:)
yeah Dex help bows?
Dex helps other classes more so than dwarvs and orcs. If you decided to +4 dex you won't see a huge increase in stats. Maybe like +2 agility +3 crit something along those lines. While other classes would see +5 run speed +20 crit etc. Thats why I said its not a bad option to -dex and +con/str because its more beneficial. Also the advice given about buying a bow is a great idea, its pretty nice to weaken up targets before you close in.
Yes a whole line of 2h fighter blunts are being added in c5. Ranging from D-A grade. A S grade on already exists and I just got it the other day. It owns hardcore, I have like 1400patk fully buffed and I'm missing my +1str -1con tattoo. Unbuffed I have over 1k patk :O What I noticed is what gimps dwarves is not lack of skills but rather them only having a 1h blunt avaliable to them. Which forces them to use a shield which you don't have masteries for anyway. With the 2h blunts you get to focus on just having blunt masteries which really increases the dmg output of the class. I will say with them they are really a DD class minus the DD spike skills(until 76+).
Here is the info about the skill and 2h blunts.
War Frenzy - Gladiator, Warlord, Destroyer, Tyrant, Bounty Hunter, Warsmith - 58
Increases player's resistance to shock and sleep attacks. Drains MP.
There are 3 lvls of this according to Hellrose.
And for the blunts:
Two-handed Blunt
* Dwarven Hammer: 190/83 C Grade : Health, Anger, Crt.Bleed
* Horn of Karik: C Grade : 169/76 Focus, Haste, Crt.Drain
* Star Burster: B Grade :236/99 Health, Haste, Rsk.Focus
* Ice Storm Hammer: B Grade :213/91 Focus, Anger, Crt.Bleed
* Destroyer's Hammer:259/107 A Grade : Health, Haste, Crt.Drain
* Doom Crusher: 282/114 A Grade: Health, Anger, Rsk.Haste
S grade 2h blunt Dragon Hunter Ax has the same patk as s grade duals/fists 342/132.
Skill and blunt translations belong to Hellrose btw.
It's not a lot of more damage to have 2 handed vs 1 handed truly, the difference is atk speed it's a big difference, also the A grade 2 handed blunts have no crit SA.
If you want to deal the most damage, go Meteor shower, the crit sa makes up for it biiiiiiiiiiig time, PLUS you can still use your shield.
For B grade thoght the 2 handed blunt with crit sa sure gonna be nice :) but A grade they are crap.
As truly, in this game, it's all about crits, nothing more.
It's not a lot of more damage to have 2 handed vs 1 handed truly, the difference is atk speed it's a big difference, also the A grade 2 handed blunts have no crit SA.
If you want to deal the most damage, go Meteor shower, the crit sa makes up for it biiiiiiiiiiig time, PLUS you can still use your shield.
For B grade thoght the 2 handed blunt with crit sa sure gonna be nice :) but A grade they are crap.
As truly, in this game, it's all about crits, nothing more.
BS! The difference between 2h vs 1h is HUGE. I don't know what your talking about. I have 1000+patk UNBUFFED! I couldn't even get that much with just shield with my elysian+5 and might. Meteor shower with sa focus is nice to a degree. My problem is its only available to low end weapons, which is lame. Also, shields are meant for knights. We dwarves barely block unless we have EE shield buffs and even then its not worth it since thats 2 buff spots taken away. Just trust me 2h blunt>1h blunt+shield for dwarves and blunt wielding destroyers.
Also had Basalt Battlehammer but I didn't like it to much. It didn't do to much more dmg than my elysian+5. I'm impressed with the damage output with 2h fighter blunts.
Ramadear You do realise right? the game is more then just about P.atk, thers something called Atk. speed, 1 handed blunt got fast attack speed, 2 handed got normal. This alone is about 15% damage difference, sure this weapons also got about 15% More P.atk....
but whats your point?
What maters in this game is crits on other hand, crits make up a big sick differencei n this game, if you can't crit you can't barly deal any damage at all. eg crit is 2x the damage add DW and bd dance to it and your almost up to 4x the damage, and if you crit more then 1/10 of hte time rater then 1/25 or so.... the 15% more P.atk won't help much here.
In fact theres a reason why most dwarves get Tsurugi*SLS +4 and PVE with.
Ramadear You do realise right? the game is more then just about P.atk, thers something called Atk. speed, 1 handed blunt got fast attack speed, 2 handed got normal. This alone is about 15% damage difference, sure this weapons also got about 15% More P.atk....
but whats your point?
What maters in this game is crits on other hand, crits make up a big sick differencei n this game, if you can't crit you can't barly deal any damage at all. eg crit is 2x the damage add DW and bd dance to it and your almost up to 4x the damage, and if you crit more then 1/10 of hte time rater then 1/25 or so.... the 15% more P.atk won't help much here.
In fact theres a reason why most dwarves get Tsurugi*SLS +4 and PVE with.
You seem very argumentative about this, fair enough. Have you once used a 2h fighter blunt to see the difference? Probably not since the only one available is sgrade. Seeing that I had to opportunity to use "both" I should notice if the damage out put is higher, which it is. Never said p.atk is all there is thats what you interperted what I was saying. Here is the thing, focus is only available on one blunt(two when c5 hits), so your telling me that you will stick with a low patk weapon over a much higher patk weapon?
I've had meteor shower focus and I used it all c3 basically. But you know what I came to understand and something you are leaving out? That while you CAN crit you won't all the time since your crit rate will still be a bit lower than average with full buffs. In pvp there was lots of times when I didn't crit at all. So think about this, would you rather A: Have a "chance" to crit with a bit over 161 crit rate with hunter or do much greater damage per hit with a higher patk weapon? Lots of things to think about and alot more than what your trying to put to the table. I think you should try 2h blunt vs 1h blunt before you rationalize what is greater than what.
+DEX won't do much for you, you still won't catch archers or even mages with zerk+DC set, they already run at 169+ speed with that setup. And you don't want to get zerk either, because it lowers mdef too much. Much better off just having +STR tatoos.
Second thing I want to say is about shields.. LOL shields are GREAT even without masteries, why do you think even mages use shields, even though they have even less dex than dwarves. With EE you almost cut damage in half. Not to mention every archer hate to shoot at people with shields, because they block 50-90% even without masteries. Shields are good! Except from an archers viewpoint.
IMO, your main job as a dwarf in pvp is to runinterference, stunning and just annoy people. You can still get a lucky last hit. In my groups with dwarves, they always go for the healer and nukers, because they're pretty easy to stun. Don't run after people, that's not your job.
Using a bow on a dwarf is possible, but not always an advantage. Trying to hit a rogue class with your low accuracy with a bow is useless, doesn't matter if you have twice the hp, you can't hit him, while the archer kites your *** into oblivion, while hitting your hard every time. You can't win with a bow over a real archer, or even a dagger. An archer also have twice the range you have, so they can slow you and actually kill you without getting hit once. Better off trying to take him down with your blunt and shield. Without shield against archers, you're toasty.
77+ dwarves get Riposte stance, which abslutely rocks! It reflects debuffs at a very decent rate, I managed to stun myself and hamstring shot myself when we tested it :> Not to mention Armor crush is a 2nd good stun that lowers pdef and mdef.
Dwarves aren't that bad, they run interference pretty good, especially at higher levels they can be a pain in the butt. Don't expect to rack up those pvp-points fast though.
Shields are ok for mages. Why? Because they have buff slots free to take EE shield buffs. If a dwarf decides to use them thats minus 2 buffs slots. Plus mages don't gimp their damage with them, dwarves do since it forces you to use a 1h weapon. And also, shield buffs might take down a nice % of damage. But as a melee with no means to catch up to range classes your going to die anyway.
The main job of a 1h blunt+shield dwarf is to annoy yes, but with a 2h blunt their job is to do damage. I've realized that since prelude dwarves have suffered from pre-c2 destroyer syndrome. What is that you ask? Well, if you played from OB-C1 you would often see destroyers running around with a shield and blunt claiming they were a tank and not a DD and that destroyers do no dmg etc. This happened because ncsoft didn't add weapons that were fit for a destroyer. In c2 they got 2h sword masteries which really pushed them off the chart. From then everyone knew they were DDs and not tanks. Same with dwarves, when players start to use 2h blunts they will know dwarves are DDs minus the special skills.
And indeed Riposte stance owns, all the 76+ skills do(at least for FS).
My intention is not to rack up PVP points, but to be as annoying as i can. I was able with a bow, in the arena do ok today. lvl7x mages i have no chance but similar lvl peeps im "ok" Actually won a couple fight cuz of the bow.
I will use bow on magic classes and daggers as they run in. I WANT them to come to me:) Thanks everyone for the input. It will make the nights a little more imteresting.