I just cant make up my mind...
yes, I know.. everyone says go DC with SPS..but..I dont want to...realy...
yes, DC is the best for PvP, and also for raids if you got recharger... casting speed is insane with DC.
BUT, it adds no M.attack...
NM adds a lot..+2 int and 8%..thats a huge boost to your m.attack. ok, in the long run, it wont d as much damage as with DC, cuz it adds even more casting speed.
sure, NM may be bad for PvP, but it will still be good for Raids. less mana loss, less shots, more damage.
now, the most important part, when you are not very high lvl yet, is PvE. I just cant se any benefits from DC unless you WANT to 2-3 shot everything, OR you are beeing a sleeper in a party. with NM I belive you can still oneshoot greens and some whites if you find the perfect mobs, or if not, you will still save 1 nuke compared to DC. and, you will save a LOT of shots..
so, beeing a SPS ang going NM is stupid? at least untill you get like 70+ and you gonna pvp a lot more??
I just dont wanna be a sps and hit like a girl :(
hmm good. at least someone saying I wont get too much laughed at if I apear with a NM set :P
yea, the acumen will be needed with the NM set..but thats ok, I wasent planing on using anything else anyways.
NM is pretty on LE males or females anyway.. lol. I never really understood why an sps would go total speed, when they already have crazy speed plus can just use an acumen weapon anyway..
Correct me if Im wrong, but demon is still better than NM for PVE.. The +4 int gives you about +16% damage, while +2 int gives you 8% and matk changes the damage by it's square root, so it's less that 16%.. Of course NM gives you some other bonuses like better mana regen, resistance to sleep, but for PvE the extra damage helps more IMO.. Now, for PvP get DC..
Try majestic. Ull notice the 8% mpregen and +1men. It also got the best MPboost and 15% castspeed. int-1 isnt fine, but try going +3 int -3wit (15% is almost as much as 3wit). In the end u got 'normal' castspeed, lots of mp, a really good regen and a bit more power due to +2int.
Because from behind, DC looks just as good if not better than NM - but unarguably, both elves are fine looking in all the robes, and most wouldn't decide by this. <cough>
Anyway, I think that getting NM for PvE is probably a good idea if you have enough money for it flying around. :p Otherwise, I'd just be more careful and use DC.
Well, right now 2 of our nukers got a majestic, a 3rd will grab one when she can afford the helmet. Majestic isnt a pure healer robe, with the right setup its doing good for pve. I think it ever depens on the groups u run.
edit: ok, ive have to add that 1 of the nukers isnt highlvled yet and uses majestic cuz he wears majestic light on his mainclass, but from what i heared he will keep his majesticrobe for pve.
That just boggles my mind really. Out of all the robe sets I'd rate majestic behind dark crystal, then NM or demon, THEN majestic. Tallum is basically useless all around for everyone. I have majestic robes but I would rather use demon than put that set on a nuker.
Tallum is basically useless all around for everyone. I
Tallum adds DOT resistance, the same cast speed as DC, and 8% m def, all at the cost of 50-150 pvp damage per nuke.
On my SH, tallum was second only to DC.... which I can't afford. If not for getting my som acumen ( which essentially costed me tallum set... [censored] farmers ) I would still be wearing it over avadon.
Why do you think Majestic so useless robe for mages? MP regen and additional mana can be pretty nice for ultrafast casting spellsingers that drain mana very fast. It does not offer +2wit but ... -1 int can be compensated via +int -men tats. All nukers go -men ad infinitum anyway....
I'm pretty curious what C5 is gonna make with -10 men.
Golden rule of all poor players: go with set you manage to get helm for
:D
majestic..argg..well, I wont use that.
well I cant afford both DC and NM atm...but ill just change the Nm for a DC later, at 70+.. well, I made up my mind now, gonna go for NM...if dont work well, I can always sell again..and yes, NM looks best of the sets :) NM = hot! ;)
Golden rule of all poor players: go with set you manage to get helm for
:D
Exactly :)
I already got maj robe for my main class (S.Saint) and I cannot afford a separate DC robe set for my sub Sorc, so I use maj robe for the nuker sub, too. It's not that bad - actually, I think it is BETTER than DC Robe when you're in a party. There you do not need the ultra-fast casting speed, and the increase in mp and mp regen is very very nice.
As a PVE set, for parties, maj>DC I would say. For soloing, the loss in INT sometimes means that the mobs will have a mm of life left, though. And for PVP DC wins clearly, of course.
I know Dc is the best...but not for PvE.. I do belive NM is slightly better then demon for PvE as well...and even if it wasent, I want a new look on my sps..have used demon for almost 20 lvls :(
Correct me if Im wrong, but demon is still better than NM for PVE.. The +4 int gives you about +16% damage, while +2 int gives you 8% and matk changes the damage by it's square root, so it's less that 16%.. Of course NM gives you some other bonuses like better mana regen, resistance to sleep, but for PvE the extra damage helps more IMO.. Now, for PvP get DC..
Actually, Nighmare is supposed to add to damage in addition to the +2. However, it doesn't seem clear as to how much it adds to damage.
I know of a SPS who tried Nightmare and decided he absolutely hated it.
But that really depends on what you are used to or what you are trying to accomplish.
I was going to go Nightmare for my SH (more damage, sleep resist etc) until I tried the DC robes. And that was that. But then again, the slow casting of the SH drives me crazy.
Golden rule of all poor players: go with set you manage to get helm for
:D
haha yeah I gotta agree with this.
I use NM set on my SpS and its awesome :) I can duo with a SE for well over 2 buff rounds using mana regen buff and NM without having to rest for mp (I know that doesnt sound amazing... but for a spellsinger its pretty good). The +4% MP regen is great, and the +damage is awesome. It really is a good spellsinger set. It does give you less M attack than a demon set, but the MP regen makes up for it. I can see why a SH would keep Demon, as MP regen isnt as important, but for SpS its great. NM is also great for groups as well as duos :)
For a Spellsinger, without a doubt, NM is the best PvE set money can buy (Sadly you need a lot of it). Its up to you though whether its worth the extra cost over Demon (and it really is an extra cost :( ).
As for Majestic... if you can afford Majestic, you really should go NM. I understand those using it if they have a main/sub that uses maj... but in PvE theres only 2 things that are important to a spellsinger.. Damage and MP regen. NM has both, Maj only has the MP regen. In PvP, the only thing that matters is cast speed. So Maj kinda sits between the two... its not a great PvE set, and its not a great PvP set. I'd personally suggest leaving that set to the healers.
There are alternatives though. If you have an accumen weapon, you might want to consider Doom robes for a damage set.... That way you can save up for DC and still have a decent damage set to PvE with. I know its -3 wit, and doesnt do as much dmg as Demon, but it has a nice mp regen bonus. In PvE (at least with a duo), you really want to find mobs you can two shot. If you can two shot the mobs you want to kill in Doom, then you really dont need a set with a better damage bonus.
If you do go NM, make sure you keep a cast speed set for PvP. As mentioned, you really dont want to be running around with a -1, -2 or -3 wit set in PvP....
Ive only ever seen two other spellsingers in NM other than me. Thats mostly due to the high cost of the set, along with the lack of a PvP set bonus. Not enough people can afford both NM and DC. Dont take the lack of NM spellsingers to mean that NM is a bad set... its just an expensive one :P
Ok If you have the extra 250mil for NM go ahead. But IMO it is a waiste of adena. Its great for PVE but sucks for PVP. I had NM ended up selling it and buying Demon again for PVE and getting the DC set for pvp.
Demon is the best (cheapest ) armor for nukers for grinding hands down. No other armor comes close for the price.
DC is the Best for PVP. its all about cast speed and buffs in PVP.
/Agree 100% with Hutch.
My friend who's an sps recently completed his NM set, and not once looked back, PvE-wise. The MP regen is noticable, and he doesn't drain SE's/EE's mp nearly as much as before. Then there's the extra damage, which is very nice also :)
Sps already have great casting speed, so in PvE they won't be hurting with NM.
As for Tallum, it's not useless for everyone at all. I use it on my SE, and it really makes up for my relatively low wit.
Tallum adds DOT resistance, the same cast speed as DC,
Actually DC set has 15% cast speed and +2 wit, it is the fastest casting armor in the game hands down.
As other have said, the best way to go would be DC robes for groups/PvP and demon set for solo.
When comparing NM robes and demon, Pros for NM are:
1) +4% mp regan
2) higher p def
3) resist root/sleep
4) +269 hp (since demon has -269 hp)
Pros for demon are:
1) higher m attack
2) faster casting speed
3) costs ~140 mil less
As most ppl have already said, NM and demon robes are basically PvE sets. Why would any nuker lower casting speed and m attack for resist sleep or more p def when u will just be 2-shotting mobs anyways? The 4% regan might be ok, but worth the extra $$? When you factor in a recharger (assuming u dou with SE/EE) the extra 4% for the nukers mp regan would actually make it more like a 1 or 2% (2% at most) increase in overall mp regan for the group.
Not to mention that NM robes would be really bad in PvP compared to dc set.
As for a nuker using Maj, if it is a nuker sub and you just want to get 75 for nobless it might be ok, but if you plan to use the nuker sub for more the lvling i would recommend getting DC robes. A dc set is a fine healer robe set, majestic might be a little better but DC isn't bad at all.
And btw, the m def bonus is more effective then the P def bonus. Not only do you have a higher base to go on, but the +2 men in comparison adds to the bonus.