My DW is going to be a SH in a few levels and was looking at new gear for him. I am already planning on getting him the demon set for armor, but I can't decide on a weapon. Its either going to be a homu with acumen or a sword of whispering death with magic power.
I am more worried about PVE for now than PVP. I don't feel like PVPing till atleast B grade.
well, it basically boils down to "Hit Harder, but Slower" or "Hit Faster, but Weaker". Do you party alot, or mostly solo? That can help affect your decision, based on what buffs from support classes you can expect to receive. The Homu would be better if you expect alot of "OH SHI--" moments, but the SoWD would help your mana management... Rambling, I know, but I hope that helps ;)
I am usually grouped with a spellsinger that is within 2 levels of me and have an out of party SE. However when I hit 40 the SE will start grouping with us because, we will be caught up to her and don't want her falling behind in levels.
I am usually grouped with a spellsinger that is within 2 levels of me and have an out of party SE. However when I hit 40 the SE will start grouping with us because, we will be caught up to her and don't want her falling behind in levels.
Well, I would go for the Homu+Acumen, as you have a readily available source of Empower.
Ok thanks for the input. If I go Homu with Acumen, should the spellsinger go SoWD with magic power? She already has about 70-80 more casting speed than I do unbuffed, but I have about that much more patk. So would that combo make us about the same?
quite possibly, yes. I'm not sure the exact % that 'Magic Power' gives, but i'm pretty sure the Acumen SA is an 8% increase... That should make your SH and the SPS roughly equal in power and output.
See? Not worth it.. Youll be able to one shoot more stuff, but youll spend a lot more mana..
And Im pretty sure the acumen SA gives you 15% casting speed, not 8.. :)
Now I wonder why theyre nerfing the acumen SA and plusing the magic power in C5? :p
Anyways... don't be stupid, go karmian and homu. There is no need for sowd... let alone demon set. You're a SH for christs sake... why are overkilling your strong points while forgetting about your weakness? They don't need damage boosts.. they need cast speed, and that's it.
Demon is useless for SHs. You are better off using devo set until lvl 52 ( Where you get Avadon! ) if all you have is demon.
All demon does is.... nothing. Unless you are fighting 3x~ hp mobs, everything will still be two shot, and demon+emp will not change that. With demon all you do is cast slower and you have less hp.
Even if you get ( up to 2k! ) less exp per overhit, just having the 40% higher cast speed ( swod + demon vs Karmian + homu ) will yield more exp due to the fact that you are killing more mobs within a given time period. You will also have more mana because faster cast speed = faster B2Ms/ claws.
Well ... 1-shotting mob is still CHEAPER than 2-shotting, 2-shotting is still CHEAPER than 3-shotting etc. Mana and Adena wise.
I would not underestimate demon set.
DEVOTION until 52 ?? Don't be stupid, the added MATK on demon robes rules, you could use it up to 75 if you wanted. Get a demon set for any nuker class for PVE, and an acumen weapon. Go all casting speed for PVP.
Demon is certainly not useless. **** what class do you play anyway? You make my head hurt with all that nonsense.. more mp because you cast faster... yeah ok.
Either Karmain & SoWD MP (no -1 WIT and -270 HP, pretty much the same as Demon and Homun just other way round)
Karm + Homun would be a stupid decision, thats a PvP set, never take a Nuker who uses speed sets they do crap dmg even WITH empower compared to a Nuker with Demo / SoWD.
Since your gonna be partied with a SpS (so you will only need like 1 spell each to kill for decent xp) each get Demon and Homuns or each get Karm and SoWD's
Demon for chrine out loud don;t listen to the ppl who think demon is not great it can mean the difference between 2 hits a mob and not. The Magic power uses 15% more mp to add about 100 extra dmg to your shot. (tried this on a lvl 58 Sorc back at the beginning of C3) since the matk bonus is not compounded by empower. Btoh of you get demon sets. grab acumen pots for the SH and go with the highest matk wpn you can buy. If your not pvping then a homunc with acument isn;t required.
I didn't realize the extra m atk wouldn't be affected by empower. So 99 more m atk will only add about 100 more dmg per nuke? I must admit if that is the case I am kinda disapointed.
If you're going PvE only, you might want to look at the Empower SA. The matk bonus is even smaller than the magic power, but it doesn't cost the extra mp. I've never used one, but I know people that really like them if you don't need the extra cast speed that acumen gives you.
Demon is certainly not useless. **** what class do you play anyway? You make my head hurt with all that nonsense.. more mp because you cast faster... yeah ok.
Soul Taker 77
Spell Howler mid 60s
I know my supplimental black magic. Your ignorance has no bearing on my ability to play my classes ( both being nearly identical in PVE ).
Karm + Homun would be a stupid decision, thats a PvP set, never take a Nuker who uses speed sets they do crap dmg even WITH empower compared to a Nuker with Demo / SoWD.
No they don't. Do you even know how damage is calculated? Give me the equation, and do the math... and compare output of the damage build, vs cast speed ( the dps, or 'pvp' build ). As far as DPS goes, Karmian/ Homu is much higher. All demon does is add slightly more then 10% m atk, and SoWD adds more or less depending on which SA you go for... all the while the other guy in karmian/ homu is casting 40% more. Best case scenario ( which is BS, considering 10% M atk does not = 10% more damage per nuke ) you could get a +25% damage bonus from your base ( while nuking 8-12% slower.... not sure what the wit bonus does for DEs exactly ), while the guy in the speed setup has +2 wit ( 8-12% cast speed ), and 30% faster cast speed over you.
With the cast speed setup ( which I never deviate from ) I will always out kill ( pve ) and out damage ( pvp ) someone with a damage setup. I will also have a minimum of atleast 1 hour ( combine constant b2ms and the use of clear mind ).
This was true even when I had Tallum ( -2 int, +2 wit, +15% cast speed ) and Dasparion ( acumen )
All nukers know this... minus the noobs you see in Nightmare, and people like you.
So 99 more m atk will only add about 100 more dmg per nuke? I must admit if that is the case I am kinda disapointed.
It depends what on your M atk is before the bonus. Either way.... it isn't much. It's always going to be lower then the actual bonus percentage wise.
With 2 Nukers hes only going to need 1 shot from each, so DPS is NOT an issue, more spells (more dmg over time) will use more MP and the SE will run out of MP using recharge, the harder you both hit, the less MP you will use.
Get Demon and Homuns if you that ****** about the +15% mana req for your spells with the SoWD. I still say dont use a speed set, over time u might do more dmg, sure, but your trying to kill it with a power blast, your not going to need to use like 4 spells if you take power over speed. Speed is mainly for PvP
Magic Power really is a bad SA, it might be better than no SA from 40-45ish but after your matk is over 660 (with buffs) the % increase in matk is less then the % increase in mp use. Since magic damage is based off of the square root of matk this SA looks even worse.
The reason a Homu w/ acumen (or Club of Nature w/ acumen) is the best choice is not because you really need the extra cast speed, it is because all the other SA's don't help damage/time.
If you don't want to get an acumen SA I would suggest a Ghoul's Staff with BtB to make wearing the Demon's less scary ;). This is a good option for your wife as she doesn't need cast speed as much, the +10matk on the weapon will also help damage as its effect is increased by Int bonus and buffs.
I also think Demon's is the best C grade nuker robes; the bonus from demon's is effected by buffs unlike the weapon SA's and there is nothing that increases your damage as much at any grade. If you want to balance damage and speed between you and your wife get Karmian and give her Demon's. Karmian and the acumen SA stack for a very respectable cast speed increase of 32.25%. This might help a lot if you are constantly BtM’ing but I (as a Sorc) don’t have much experience with that as the time it takes to cast isn’t really worth the mp (I am lazy, it is level 1 BtM, and have a dual boxed SE).
All weapon SAs are added after everything else. This is good when they are % modifiers like acumen as that 15% is of your total cast speed after armor set bonus and buffs. That 24 matk from the empower SA does almost nothing, a top C staff would be higher damage.
With 2 Nukers hes only going to need 1 shot from each, so DPS is NOT an issue, more spells (more dmg over time) will use more MP and the SE will run out of MP using recharge, the harder you both hit, the less MP you will use.
The SH wouldn't need recharge. The SH should be B2Ming, while the SpS gets recharged. That's the most efficient way to go, and it can last a very long time if they both take advantage of clear mind.
Get Demon and Homuns if you that ****** about the +15% mana req for your spells with the SoWD. I still say dont use a speed set, over time u might do more dmg, sure, but your trying to kill it with a power blast, your not going to need to use like 4 spells if you take power over speed. Speed is mainly for PvP
How can you even formulate an opinion on setups when you don't even have the facts down. Seriously... what are you talking about?
I just want to stress that my assessment does not consider the BtM+Drain play style unique to the SH/necro. As BtM doesn't cast very fast cast speed is, very likely, more important for a SH'es xp/time than either of the other two nukers I have actually played.
.... only you are still 1-2 shotting the same mobs wearing either... meaning the only real diffrence is with karmian, which is faster... making it better.
I do not know why people instist that "ZOMGISH MORE DAMMAGE EQUALS BEEETTTAAAAR!!!!!!!!" with SHs. It's not that simple.
quite possibly, yes. I'm not sure the exact % that 'Magic Power' gives, but i'm pretty sure the Acumen SA is an 8% increase... That should make your SH and the SPS roughly equal in power and output.
Acumen is 15% increase, which is quite alot. Go Homunkulous.
All demon does is add slightly more then 10% m atk, and SoWD adds more or less depending on which SA you go for... all the while the other guy in karmian/ homu is casting 40% more.
Demon Robes add much more then that. For a +4 Int SH they add over 15% M.Atk (tested on an unbuffed character). Of course that doesn't directly transfer into 15% more damage but is very noticable. For example it often lets me kill with one bsp instead of 2 or (buffed) one shot with Aura Flare instead of two-shotting.
I would advise Demon for PvE for all nukers... except the OP. If he duos with a Sps, even with full cast speed setup he will STILL be almost unbearably slow compared to the sps. So I would say Karmian set + Homu SA Acumen for the SH and Demon set + Ghoul/Demon Staff for the Sps. This way they should form a nice, somewhat balanced duo.
Forget about the SoWD crap entirely. Better not to put any SA on it at all. Demon set gives much larger M.Atk boost without the 15% mana penalty. And Homu with Acumen is just plain better in every aspect.
You're very passionate about this issue, aren't you Bhodosativa?
Not really. It's just annoying to see people give out bad advice. Like Haplok for example.... who pointed out the Bsps consumption options when using Demon.... something that only saves you a few k adena in the end, is VERY dependant on the area you are hunting ( meaning this is rare ) while giving you less exp over time ( all the time spent fumbling around with ss adds up... auto ss ftw ), while not having any effect on your up time.
Everyone says go demon... but noone seams to know why other then M ATK = BETTER PVE.... when it isn't for SHs.
Spike for PVE... on a SH? No. Just... no. A faster casting nuke that costs 20ish less mana then my main, and at the cost of 315ish adena per bone... it's just not worth it.
At the cost 580 adena per kill, and these average drops (http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/606/ss6lz.jpg) ( currently at the valley of saints.. as in, while I post this XD ), reaching up and over 2k adena, other drops excluded.... I always make more then I spend. Even when I leave auto-ss on during b2m, I still make more then when I came in. And it's not a pure waste.... it makes b2m cast faster, which is more efficient in regards to time, and mana gain. It adds to the number of mobs you can kill within a given time period... and it could add up to several hundred k's worth of exp. And if you must know, for their price.... 2 BSPS B2Ms is more efficient then 1 BSPS Death Spike.
There is much room for 'power-grinding'. The only diffrence is that you make less in the field.... which means nothing, considering most of your adena is made playing the market.
Seriously.. 4x SHs spend more per kill then 6x~ ( 6 bspsc per kill vs 2 bspsa ), while 6x~ make more per kill. Power-grinding is not a problem.
This style of play is not exclusive to the rich. Any SH that can two shot single hp mobs can do this... and anyone can play the market, so there is no excuses.
Just did a little bean counting in Valley of Saints, and I can safely say that I make more then twice as much as I spend. That's a few 100k earned per hour, and excluding mat drops.
And Ellie, if you can do that, you should move on to better hunting grounds... unless you are really digging that extra 345 adena per kill.
With demon on I two shot white and yellow mobs, I bsps a hurricane then NON bsps a shadow flare. That's only 3 Cbsps which isn't bad at all.
Ellie IMVHO you should be doing the opposite: cast non-bsp Hurricane, then bsp-Shadow Flare. There are two reasons to do this:
1. With bsp you cast faster once the mob is aggro, therefore run less risk of it reaching you
2. Shadow Flare does considerably more damage then Hurricane. With bsp that extra damage is also doubled, which results in higher exp from the overhit effect.
Which is what I said I was doing, and then you mocked me for trying to save some adena. Make up your mind.
This post doesn't even make sense. Seriously.. what? You said you can kill mobs with one hit of bsps.... I said you can do better, so move on to diffrent grounds... how is that "what you said you where doing", and what does that have to do with me "making up my mind"?
Sometimes I do that but it depends on the mob. The ones I'm on now are weak to wind, so I can get it almost dead to a hurricane then use the flare just for overhit. Or claw if I need the hp. I bet I could do it the other way around though.. heh , thanks for the advice.
I said I can two shot mobs, one with bsps and one for the overhit . I get them to almost no hp then overhit.
Anyway the area I'm in is weak to wind, fast spawn close together, NON social and minor aggro (they don't aggro immediately on spawn, so it's nice). I pick areas for my convienance as well as the exp. Could I do better? I'm sure. I've been all over (oren, aden, cemetery, Fom, EV) and this place works the best.
Anyway nothing to see here, move along before I get us all locked. :/
Why are you constantly saying people could do better, theres more ways then Karm + Homun to level for god sake, your way isnt the ONLY way, do realise we can do whatever the hell we want. God some people think they are all that and they know everything.
Demon & Homun is a good combo, give to the SpS at least, and Karm to the SH to balance out the speed & power?
Because I know everything there is to know about SHs ( Except for pvp. Appearently some people know more then me... because they say SHs are a pvp class.... which I always laugh at, all things considered ).
I know there are options.... but my way is the best way. Get over it.
Because I know everything there is to know about SHs ( Except for pvp. Appearently some people know more then me... because they say SHs are a pvp class.... which I always laugh at, all things considered ).
Yes, especially on those boards... it's tough. Everyone keeps whining how overpowered in PvP SH is... Well, I feel same as you.
all the time spent fumbling around with ss adds up... auto ss ftw
But you use your faster casting and recast time to use Body to Mind after every single kill, right? Kind of a hassle to turn the auto shots on and off so often! I just prefer the F keys, I guess.
Thank you all for your replies. I am going to try out the casting speed set when I hit 40. The Karmian is cheaper than the Demon, so if I don't like it i can switch with less money lost.
I am also going to get the Homu with Acumen. Is it worth it to buy a very over enchanted one or just go +3?
Right now I have to use Aura Burn to keep up with the casting of the sps. Which I nuke for about the same as her using her normal nuke. I was looking up new skills when I finally noticed I won't have an aura burn type spell after lvl 40. This is what made me decide on casting speed all the way.
Well if you have cash to burn I'd get an OE'd one. I have a +7 which will work nicely for some time yet. I also have a SoV my bishop was using that I can switch to.
I paid 31 mill for a dark screamer which can be turned into a homu, and added the SA myself. It's probably 35 mill for an actual homu with acumen on it already.
On Kain a plain SoV is going for 35-40 mill (I bought mine for 28 some time ago) . +3 with acumen is likely to go for 50 I'm guessing.
O ok thats Ell. I paid 35m for my +3 SoV with Acumen already on it. It seems that +6 Homun go for 25m and +7 for 35m+, i really dont think people would pay another 10mill for +4 m.atk?
/sigh
@At nef: All nukers use that setup these days. +4 INT -4 Men, +4 WIT -4 MEN, +4 CON -4 STR. They only use it cause they have a boxed SE to recharge though =/.
Only use +4 INT if your a SpS, and +4 WIT if your a SH with no SE to charge you up, keep some MP lol.
My EE's only Tatoo is +4 WIT -4 MEN, Wearing BW Robes i have 35 INT, 30 WIT and 35 MEN, it works out. 667 Cast speed with my +3 SoV with Acumen.
Because I know everything there is to know about SHs ( Except for pvp. Appearently some people know more then me... because they say SHs are a pvp class.... which I always laugh at, all things considered ).
I know there are options.... but my way is the best way. Get over it.
this just shows your comments are wothless and your
opinions flawed.
My experience:
75 Sorc subclasses 67 necro
and those are jsut the nukers I've rolled.
All the way to 60(or when i stopped levelign them) on each class I used Demon. Now maybe I never found those Ubar hunting grounds that I could 2 hit mobs with bsps using my avadon or karmien that had fast enoguh respawn that i could nuke forever. Imho I find that even as a 67 fully SE buffed Necro with +5 int I wear demon robes carry acu lvl 2 pots that I can 2 hit the mobs faster then they respawn. this was done in the VOS at 2 locations one off the blades/ anger/wisdon: I can 2 hit those in my dark crystal on my necro atm and again on the Shouts/crowns/ and wailing splendor in my demon.
However whaty I would recommed for the OP is at hgiher lvls is to duo in places like the garden around oren or ancient battle ground. ( i forget when sps get thier aoe attack) 1 aoe nuke form each should drop a full grp of mobs
That's why I didn't get a +8, because the difference was like 10 mill between a +7 and +8. SoV's are even worse because they are rare, most don't OE and if they do it's sky high to buy it.
well your men affect base mana regen. with a -9 you will definatly feel it even with btm. on my necro I usually can get a couple full hours though between sittings by using deathspike, btm and having my SE sit except for buffs and rechrages.
I beleive the +4/-4 dyes un 100k AA each (need 10) the +!/-! Greater dyes are I think 45k AA each. From mammon.
If you want to balance the classes out though tats may be the way to do it.
If you want to balance the classes out though tats may be the way to do it.
I don't know if my wife is going to keep playing her Sps. I really enjoy my SH but she enjoys the SE more I think. The SE was her alt but we made the nukers to get away from our mains for a bit.
So I want to be able to play well when I don't have the SE around for buffs/recharge as well as when she is around. If those tats wouldn't allow me to solo well without the SE I am not sure I want to do that.
This just shows your comments are wothless and your
opinions flawed.
This is nothing but a cheap, baseless blanket statement. It has absolutely no validity.
My experience:
75 Sorc subclasses 67 necro
and those are jsut the nukers I've rolled.
You've never played a SH. You don't know anything about them. I know this because you say this about Sorcs and Necros...
All the way to 60(or when i stopped levelign them) on each class I used Demon. Now maybe I never found those Ubar hunting grounds that I could 2 hit mobs with bsps using my avadon or karmien that had fast enoguh respawn that i could nuke forever.
... as if it applies to SHs, which it doesnt. In avadon I was 2 shotting the mobs at the end of cemetary ( at FG ), and then I moved to forsaken plains pits, which was roughly 8k exp per kill ( hunting sharp talon tigers and fallen orc shamen ) from lvl 56-61.
And this was unbuffed. I didn't need my SE for any of it... not even for recharging. Not until 61... where empower, and item upgrades helped me move on to bigger and better things.
Imho I find that even as a 67 fully SE buffed Necro with +5 int I wear demon robes carry acu lvl 2 pots that I can 2 hit the mobs faster then they respawn. this was done in the VOS at 2 locations one off the blades/ anger/wisdon: I can 2 hit those in my dark crystal on my necro atm and again on the Shouts/crowns/ and wailing splendor in my demon.
My SH hunted the exact same mobs since 61. Though now I use avadon, I was 2 shotting them with full overhit bonus in Tallum, and that has -2 Int.
Why you even bothered posting this as if it applies is beyond me.
As to the third tat, it's up to you. It's a toss up between a slightly faster cast rate, a slight increase in damage, or around 200hp/ 60cp ( the bonus increases the higher level you go ). I went with +1 wit for the third because being a DE mage, I don't benefit from +4 con until later... which for me will be when it hits 70.
@At nef: All nukers use that setup these days. +4 INT -4 Men, +4 WIT -4 MEN, +4 CON -4 STR. They only use it cause they have a boxed SE to recharge though =/.
Eh, why do you say that? Wit casts B2M faster, the -8 Men doesn't really affect your regeneration rate (my regeneration is exactly the same without the -8 men as it is with it)
Your total MP doesn't really matter as a nuker, If you have more MP you just have to regenerate longer, all it makes a difference with is how far you can go on our first full mana pool, and -8 MEN doesn't really cost you all that much MP.
For a healer I would suggest +4 Wit, +4 Con, +4 Dex. Unless you're a combat healer.
@At nef: All nukers use that setup these days. +4 INT -4 Men, +4 WIT -4 MEN, +4 CON -4 STR. They only use it cause they have a boxed SE to recharge though =/.
Only use +4 INT if your a SpS, and +4 WIT if your a SH with no SE to charge you up, keep some MP lol.
I have -9 Men and no boxed SE. Never regret this. -10 Men is what? 2 MP less per tick maybe (I'm not sure if even this much) and some 100-200 MP more to the total pool? Totally insignificant if you have B2M.
I don't even have BTM and before I had -10 Men on my summoner. My regen (back whatever level it was) was 14-15 a tick. It then became 10-11 a tick. The extra casting speed and damage > mp regen and mana. Anyways I have my boxer for an instant recharge anyway.
This even seems like too much of a loss. I applied the tats separately and with each I noticed less then 1 MP per tick decrease.
dude come C5, remove +4 int -4 men, add +1 wit - 1 wit..and get a +++ weapon.
that is if you plan to PvP alot, that +4 int isn't going to help you as much as haveing that extra cast speed, and the slightly better DF.
if you still need to lvl alot more, just stick with the nuker set up and get your self a SE to lvl with you all the time.
I forgot to add, if your a necro or SH, your MP management is great, when out lvling swich to walk mode and kill your MP regen rate is higher in walk mode, specially scor and SH. and I think sps to.
I forgot to add, if your a necro or SH, your MP management is great, when out lvling swich to walk mode and kill your MP regen rate is higher in walk mode, specially scor and SH. and I think sps to.
LOL... Iron has a 75+ something sorc and a SH... just because it's not in sig doesn't mean you should trash people all the time.
Iron didn't mention it in any of his examples. He only mentioned the necro and the sorc.... while telling us that those are the only nuker's he's played. Way to go at thinking I was judging him by his sig though.
Btw, he was the one who tried to trash me~
I have two 78 stormscreamers in my clan, one of which was a hero, does that mean my opinion on gear trumps yours?
Why not? It's just as relavent as the examples everyone else put forth. Seriously... why hasn't any real Spellhowler ( A+ soloer ) responded yet?
dude come C5, remove +4 int -4 men, add +1 wit - 1 wit..and get a +++ weapon.
What? I've considered this in the past ( and dropped it considering I need the int to grind ), but why would C5 change this?
I forgot to add, if your a necro or SH, your MP management is great, when out lvling swich to walk mode and kill your MP regen rate is higher in walk mode, specially scor and SH. and I think sps to.
Not necros.... not while walking. They don't have clear mind.....
Much, much higher while walking!
..... which is what makes your mana regen while walking the same as while sitting down. Heh... that's why I have /walk on my PVE bar. Noone understands why... kekeke.
Im newbie dark wizard and even i have walking on my bar o.O if being in area that is 1-2 shots and mobs are close by, that saves ton of sitting time. I always have my friend SO near me too for healing (he doesnt have mp recharge yet), but we're both always almost full mp and so far we dont even need to sit (unless we're bored :P). Im using knowledge and he's still in ng devotion. Works fine for us and walking IS useful :)
To start out with ty Ellie for trying to clarify my ver convoluted post.
Btw, he was the one who tried to trash me~
Wrong cowboy. your the one who came in discounted others opinions and then got all high and mighty when ppl started to disagree with ya. Here let me remind you:
Because I know everything there is to know about SHs ( Except for pvp. Appearently some people know more then me... because they say SHs are a pvp class.... which I always laugh at, all things considered ).
I know there are options.... but my way is the best way. Get over it.
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By self declaring your opinnons top you therefore are not open to any discussion and have closed your mind off to any other way of levling a nuker class.
Now while my post was a little conveluted. I edited it for conetent quite a bit, and I did fail to remove the "this is just the nukers i have played line."
At my character select screen I still in fact have my lvl 56 SH and a lvl 41 sps. I am currently helping a friend lvl a SE with another now lvl 45 SH.
I have pllayed all nuker classes in the game.(No SK's are not a nuker class ;)) Elli has seen my sh and such before.
End the end no matter what setup you go with for a nuker this is what counts:
1 find the highest xp mob that you can 2 hit. (now with ylour overhit that will be the shamens that turn into tigers and the sharp talon tigers for quite a bit of your lvling.)
2. Kill them till another mob you can 2 hit gives better xp
3 rinse and repeat.
Now while some may feel that the casting speed penalty of Demon is not offset by the matk bonus you recieve, others will point out that with Demon you can 2hit those mobs a skillset sooner normally then you culd otherwise. NOw at lover lvls that means you'll be hunting in areas 4 lvls before you would without the demon robes. However that does not mean that those mobs will give you the best xp. So while demon may be better atbeing able to kill those sweet xp mobs earlier, once you have advanced a lvl or so you may want to switch to a speed robe set to maximize xp.
2 things you'll want to consider
1. Xp per mob
2. amount of mobs able to kill per hour
3. are there enough mob spawns to satisfy killing faster.
#3 is very important on kain, as our industires little friends make it so at most I can usually get 5-6 mob spawns. So to me that is worse xp then heading to another areas where the spawns are more frequent.
dude come C5, remove +4 int -4 men, add +1 wit - 1 wit..and get a +++ weapon.
What? I've considered this in the past ( and dropped it considering I need the int to grind ), but why would C5 change this?
C5 changed debuffs to MEN instead of WIT, although I would wait to see what happens as of C5 instead of listening to rumors. Could change nothing, won't really know for sure until c5.
Well, that's strange. Because I recall having a similar amount of added M.Atk. before buffs. Will have to check it more exactly later.
As for what mobs to hunt: yes, Fallen Orc Shamans rock... triple so - xp, money and moneymaking wise. But unfortunately many know this, so if you have to fight for each mob, it may not be worth it after all :(
Still I hunted there even when mobs started turning blue.
Wrong cowboy. your the one who came in discounted others opinions and then got all high and mighty when ppl started to disagree with ya. Here let me remind you:
Because I know everything there is to know about SHs ( Except for pvp. Appearently some people know more then me... because they say SHs are a pvp class.... which I always laugh at, all things considered ).
I know there are options.... but my way is the best way. Get over it.
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By self declaring your opinnons top you therefore are not open to any discussion and have closed your mind off to any other way of levling a nuker class.
You said that my comments where worthless and my opinions are flawed... and now you say I'm at fault because I am not open to suggestions on any other way of leveling a nuker class... all of which means nothing, because I have yet to be proven wrong.
As for what mobs to hunt: yes, Fallen Orc Shamans rock... triple so - xp, money and moneymaking wise. But unfortunately many know this, so if you have to fight for each mob, it may not be worth it after all :(
Yeah.. On sieg there's a party with a spoiler, a healer a BD and a dagger that's been hunting there for at least the last 168 hours straight.. I wonder why they never stop to sleep or eat or other things human beings need.. :p
Fallen Orc Shamans can suck for a nuker though, since they sometimes change shape and you will have wasted a nuke, unless you poked it with something first. But then they aren't all that efficient.
IMO, there are better and less crowded mobs out there to do.
You have yet to prove me wrong... as with everyone else. All I keep hearing is that demon is better... without any real reasons as to why.
I am sorry but I will be unable to prove you worng sinc eyou feel you are incapable of being wrong.
I apologize for your apparent omniscience.
You said that your opnions trump all
I commented that since that is how you feel then you will never be open to tips that may improve you playstyle, therfore you comments are a waste of time to read since they will only be yours and not based off anyting but your own opinion, since
1. your right
2. everyone else is wrong.
So if you are always right then even if someone is better then you they are in error. That makes your playstyle and Ideas inherently flawed and easily discounted. I myself haveing taken counsel and instruction form other nukers and ppl on the boards on way to best play my class. Does that make me better then you? Yes, however your closed-mindedness will fail to allow you to see that.
Cute... but you still didn't prove me wrong about anything. Instead of giving me some numbers to work with, or actual experiances... all you're doing is being cynical about my stance on whether or not SHs should be using demon for the best possible EXPing.... which they shouldn't.
Just keep spinning... it doesn't bother me. Not until you get actual facts worked up against mine.
If you're in a cast speed set and don't have auto shots on (I can never stand that for BSpS anyway), wind shackle makes an appropriate poke - 3 MP is quite bearable, and in a cast speed set there is time for two nukes between transformation and arrival at you without an acumen pot for an ES in the cast speed set, so I would assume a soloing SH could pop a pot and get them two-shot while they spawn (they hesitate a bit)/as they arrive at your feet.
But yes, having to fight for spawn sucks. That area especially: Until I've gathered a decent size train, the competition has usually moved on and I am finding shamans again - then they come back. :x
By the way, what about solo AoE? That's pretty much the best experience I can get as an ES, and I know an SH who also did a few levels like this in skyshadow meadow, but I'm not sure how viable it actually is on the long term.
LOL bhod what numbers have you given to proove otherwise. I know that my wife who is currently sdupclassed a SH now lvl 73 still wears demon because of where she hunts. She has full SE buffs when she goes out. Then again your knowledge of how to play a sh stops at 6x so maybe its different at 73.
btw I will go ahead and get those numbers based on a single buff cycle form her if you would like. However I know for a fact that with her SE she can go on indefinatly in demon in her current hunting grnd. If she changes to her dark crystal she can no longer 2 hit the mobs so either a she owuld have to find weaker less xp giving mobs or b wear demon. We also have 2 sh in our guild that are now 73 and 75. One wears nm robes the other demon for pve. I will see if they can get me similar stats.
but then agian these would be for higher lvl mobs which give differeing lvls of xp then your prolly use to hunting on an sh. So i guess you;ll prolly just discount it like everyhting else on this thread
Still... with VoS being completely empty, I can't complain.
LOL bhod what numbers have you given to proove otherwise. I know that my wife who is currently sdupclassed a SH now lvl 73 still wears demon because of where she hunts. She has full SE buffs when she goes out. Then again your knowledge of how to play a sh stops at 6x so maybe its different at 73.
I dunno.. damage. Whether or not Demon is nessesary to achieve a two hit kill.... the exp per kill... exp per given time period. Mana is good too. You know... something, anything that will prove that Demon is a viable option against a cast speed set.
Also, I am positive I will be one shotting the 1/2 hp mobs at Goddard, or two shotting the single hp mobs between wall of argos/ sepulcher at those levels.
I do have to agree with the vos I can go there on my tank with my wife and pull 3-4 grps. Its easy xp for her. Not so much for me since I am not in her party
By the way, what about solo AoE? That's pretty much the best experience I can get as an ES, and I know an SH who also did a few levels like this in skyshadow meadow, but I'm not sure how viable it actually is on the long term.
It's scary in a Demon set, with lower HP. Scary, but fast! =)
I wanted to thank everyone for all their input. I decided to try out the Karmian and the Homu w/ Acumen. I haven't bought any WIT or INT tattoos as of yet. The price of AA on my server has gone through the roof because of a Dusk snaffoo.
I would like to share my results. I have had no problem 2 shotting pink mobs. I can even one shot green to white mobs. When two hitting mobs I get about 5500 exp with over hit. I haven't found any mobs that I wasn't able to hunt because I didn't use the demon set. Also the cast speed lets me hunt with 0 downtime while using BTM and clearmind. With the SE to recharge me I can skip using BTM and maintain my mana only using clearmind. With the better casting speed I have survived 5 mobs agro'ing me at once. My exp/hour is very high. I am now lvl 46. It only took a couple days to gain those 6 levels and that is with me not playing him all the time. I haven't had much time to play lately but look forward to when I can play him more.