Guys, it's time for everyone who is constantly owned by the cancel spell to speak up about it. The supposed "nerf" in C4 made this spell better, not worse. Instead of 100% spell removal and long re-use, it's now 95% buff removal and almost instant re-use. I don't care what class you play, this spell still lands way way too much, and has far to large an effect (generally removing all or almost all buffs). It would be one thing if it randomly took off 2-4 buffs, but the current set-up is just absurd. It's time all of us victims demanded that this spell be changed dramatically.
I happen to agree with the OP. Cancel was boosted in C4, not nerfed.
Mdef and level has just about nothing to do with how good you resist cancel. Speaking from experience where lowbies (level 48-56) cancel my 77 archer, removing 70% of my buffs, every frigging time. Don't talk about mdef, I have 1250ish mdef with warding! Arcane protection is useless btw.
I know mystic classes with high WIT seem to resist cancel pretty well, only removing a couple buffs. Lets hope the change for MEN to affect debuffs in C5 will help balance it out.
Translation - I just lost a fight and Im crying about it..
Sry you lost but they are not gonna change it, please for the love of god dont turn this in to yet another nurf the nuker thread!!!
I say this thread need to be moved into the game suggestions thread. No need for nerf discussions on the genral forums.
Personally i feel ppl are not angry about cancel and if they are they are unintelligant. The problem is for a melee /archer to be effective they need to have 8 or more buffs. For a nuker we need 5. I say we nerf silence, oh and lets nerf melee damage since when I am out of mp they can kill mp. Oh and nerf bows patk and crit rates those are insane too. (lets see I have been beat this weekend by an archer and a Adventurerer, so that should cover my angry post a nerf monday)
Looks like from sigs the people saying don't nerf cancel play a toon with the skill. It is an improvement from c3 however, as I have yet to be fully cancelled. However maybe renaming this thread to boost arcane protection and the wc's version is a better idea. Tested the buffs a bit in the arena and fully prophet buffed, with arcane protection, first try cancel got everything except acumen and guidance. The best set of buffs I was left with were haste, death whisper, shield and resist fire. Every time in between I was left with 1-3 random buffs, still never fully cancelled, but totally screwed in pvp.
Edit: This was with my 75 silver ranger vs a 76 sorcerer
Guys.... Mental Shield does exist!!!
You know that skill prophets and SEs have....
When buffed with that, someone that casts cancel on me thats my lvl removes none or MAX 2 of my buffs (out of 14 ish). A higher lvl cancel will removes a few more but I never got removed more than half my buffs.
So stop complaining and get one of your buddies or 2box to cast it on you.... Simple as that
Someone else made this suggestion but I'll be their messenger. Someone said they should just make Arcane Protection buff kind of a placeholder buff. Meaning that when someone Cancels a person with Arcane Protection (Chant of Spirit) it ONLY removes Arcane Protection and leaves all other buffs intact. However without Arcane Protection Cancel should just work as is.
Guys.... Mental Shield does exist!!!
You know that skill prophets and SEs have....
When buffed with that, someone that casts cancel on me thats my lvl removes none or MAX 2 of my buffs (out of 14 ish). A higher lvl cancel will removes a few more but I never got removed more than half my buffs.
So stop complaining and get one of your buddies or 2box to cast it on you.... Simple as that
haha
youve never seen cancell used obviously
a mage 20 lvls lower will easily cancell out 75% of your buffs if you have agis
does it even say agis prevents cancel?
Someone else made this suggestion but I'll be their messenger. Someone said they should just make Arcane Protection buff kind of a placeholder buff. Meaning that when someone Cancels a person with Arcane Protection (Chant of Spirit) it ONLY removes Arcane Protection and leaves all other buffs intact. However without Arcane Protection Cancel should just work as is.
so it would become standard to cancel twice in rapid succession?
Cancel is ridiculous, what a stupid skill to put in this game it's just a death warrant to melee. How the hell can we protect ourselves? They can remove all of our protection in 1 split second cast. Way to go NC even though this has been around for yonks I've always had a beef with it, this honestly could not be difficult to fix but we all know game balance, equality & fairness doesn't exist on your agenda.
This skill should 'cancel targets status' like the POS skills given to melee's but then we would have 10000 nukers crying about how they can't cancel vortex nuke nuke kill anyone without them even having a chance.
Cancel is fine, or it would be if they didn't give it to the most easyily buffed, easiest to powerlevel and strongest one on one class in the game.
Cancel should be given to prophets and healers (not wc's their overpowered enough) who who buffeth can taketh away imo.
Does NC not know that 90% of pvp are small group pvps, meaning one of the most crital questions before you fight is..... how many cancellers do they have?
This game is so buff reliant, its like oil in your car, why only give the oil to the racecars?
I agree "Cancel" should of been given to Healers & Prophets if your going to give it to WC thats fine why not give it to Healers & Prophets seriously we are one of the most obsolete class out there right now I can count on one hand how many Prophets I have seen out there! geez give us a break OH WAIT we are getting one in C6 that new skill that everyone is complaining about YAY ok I'm done LOL :)
Give'em all main nukers skills and remove from real nukers
Give'em all slow skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Give'em all surrender to [elements] and remove from real nukers
Give'em Silence skill and remove from DE, ORC and Human
Give'em all DOT skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Give'em all STUN skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Giving cancel to more toons just makes the problem worse. The skill is just way too powerful. It's an "insta win" skill that is way worse than a necro's paralyze, because that at least they have to be right next to you, takes a long time to cast, and it fails a lot. Cancel always lands and kills everyone. Their "nerf" was absolutely worthless.
Kind of funny that cancel would be stronger since healers/buffers are supposed to have power against them. This seems like the opposite to me.
Nuker blasts healer for 600 cp damage
Healer drains 200 mp from nuker... 3500 mp remaining
Nuker removes element resist and magic barrier using Cancel
Healer dies
Give'em all main nukers skills and remove from real nukers
I'd prefer Might of Heaven be made more of nuke than of joke.
Give'em all slow skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Or at least give them cures/resistance buff against Slow?
Give'em all surrender to [elements] and remove from real nukers
Give EE resistance to Water buff, and remove it from SS.
Give'em Silence skill and remove from DE, ORC and Human
Give the healers the ability to cure Silence.
Give'em all DOT skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Give them the ability to cure all the DoTs.
Give'em all STUN skills and remove from all chars that uses it
Give them the ability to cure stun.
Enough?
Dunno about you, but I can continue :D
/Agreed
We are healers after all status curing should be in the job description. I also think buffer classes should be the only ones with Cancel.
Even if it was moved to buffers only, I think it is overpowered and should be limited to removing 3 buffs in each casting. It would still be plenty useful, but you would need a few casts to totally screw your opponent.
Guys.... Mental Shield does exist!!!
You know that skill prophets and SEs have....
When buffed with that, someone that casts cancel on me thats my lvl removes none or MAX 2 of my buffs (out of 14 ish). A higher lvl cancel will removes a few more but I never got removed more than half my buffs.
So stop complaining and get one of your buddies or 2box to cast it on you.... Simple as that
nope your wrong, cancel still kicks those buffs.
I played a scor up to lvl 76(subclass) on PTS, I tested that **** skill, and had that skill cast on me. it sucks. and arcaine prot. don't do sh*t to stop it, not a **** thing!!
um, just so's ya know, cancel has been nerfed fairly effectively in c5. now it removes a total of 5 buffs max.
I'm aware of the nerf in C5. I still think it is an overpowered spell with a 5 buff max. Compare this spell to other buffs and debuffs already in the game. And I hear it has fast recast too.
And most self buffs characters have are on long recast timers, so it's not simply a matter of recasting them.
Lol proberbly, i hope the C5 cancel change makes it so 5 RANDOM buffs are gone, knowing NC they'll do the 1st or last 5 buffs just because it will be easier ><