good question, I find that a hard topic to answer, since I've never played a EE or a bishop.
I've played a SE 2 X's and I cerently play a prophet, but I don't really know which one is the better of them all.
normally tho, a healer wont do well in PvP, cept healers can hold their own in olympaid sometimes, most of the time they are given free wins. so they can be hero's.
I hope someone can come answer your question better then me!
But Prophets tend to do the best, they have the best buffs so fight the best, the EE would be better but their buffs arent useful for PvP unless they use a 1-Handed weapon.
if you have a good bow you should be able to beat nearly any melee class not useing root resist armor
truth is they werent meant for pvp, they were meant for healing and are **** good at it
a good healer in group pvp is the difference between winning and loseing
if you have a good bow you should be able to beat nearly any melee class not useing root resist armor
truth is they werent meant for pvp, they were meant for healing and are **** good at it
a good healer in group pvp is the difference between winning and loseing
We are the silent warriors standing in the back :D
Are we talkig about 1v1 with outside buffs or not?
If the DD got outside buffs the Healer class has no chance.
If we talk about olympiade there is a small chance to win.
Basicly the support classes can aid clan members to get strength by buffing and healing them, or they can support them by sleeping rooting debuffing enemyes.
(In c5 support classes get aditional skills like mana burn)
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Edit: Support classes can't deal damages as they very low on dex strength and con
I would assume bishop and EE have it easiest, because they have working-level sleep.
See thats what I meen, I'd think a prophet would be best but, SE has root and Wind shackle. and better heals.
if you have a good bow you should be able to beat nearly any melee class not useing root resist armor
truth is they werent meant for pvp, they were meant for healing and are **** good at it
a good healer in group pvp is the difference between winning and loseing
I have to agree here, why in the world does so many people want to PvP support classes so much??
Can't there be classes ment just for helping and not ment to own every class in the game?
a good healer in group pvp is the difference between winning and loseing
EE or Bishop perhaps, but many a time SE's just can't put the damage back - 1k heals for every 2 nukes / arrow landing just doesn't work these days.
Maybe C5 with 'major heal' will help - though SE's don't get that, so they'll really be relegated to the PvE / standby healer, and fair even less well in PvP situations if they expect to heal.
spirits staff and self buff mental aegis.. healer loses. [SoES for focus too]
healers to terrible dmg even w/ focus/dw even on crits w/ soul bow. even w/ guidance evasion classes just avoid llike 50% of the arrows as well (esp w/ zubei light + DELB/evasion -- this is what i will take if i am agaist healer). and you can spend less on ghp than a healer on SS and still win (plus healer has 600 range like any other melee [daggers have 750]).
I find a Prophet has it the best with the buffs/heals & they can wear heavy armour! :D I currently play a Prophet and I've fought in the arena and never won considering that all the chars in there were abuot 20 levels higher and in AG and I've been told thata Prophet isn't good at pvping till at least 55 when they start getting all complete buffs and max them! The only way your truly going to know is my creating a healer class and then pvping with them! :D GL
if you have a good bow you should be able to beat nearly any melee class not useing root resist armor
truth is they werent meant for pvp, they were meant for healing and are **** good at it
a good healer in group pvp is the difference between winning and loseing
We are the silent warriors standing in the back :D
It's pretty much crazy talk but if I had to put them in order it would go prophet, SE, bishop, EE. But at high levels it's sorta senseless to pvp because most of us gear out to SURVIVE PVP (+Con, +dex - STR) not to DO pvp.
Ok Ive played a Prophet, a Bishop and SE. They are all 56+
Prophets: (Battle prophets) They have heavy armor and the best fighter buffs out there. Fully buffed they can hold their own. Add in some tatoos and your all set. At the arena I can win time to time. See link below:
Has anyone seen a prophet pvp and win ? (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=585965&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#585965)
Bishops: Robe or light armor.... no buffs worth mentioning. Crappy patck. Only way I can see a bishop winning is running around with a bow attacking people lower lvl. When health to low sleep, then attack some more.... not very efficient >< I havnt tried it... but I dont want to because I already get 1shot killed at arena.
SE: robes or light armor. Decent buffs but no haste ( use pots). Great heals and has root ! Go go bow ! Could win against lower lvls but I really dont see them owning players thier lvl. IMO not as good as a battle prophet but has decent potential. EDIT: oh yeah they have wind shackle >< forgot about that. Can help them alot in a 1vs1
EE: Dont have one but I immagine its somewhere between the SE and the Bishop....
Not really a warrior needs a good Prophet because of the great buffs that can increase the warriors damage! & I agree with the "behind every good warrior is a healer" BUT even thou you think most people make auto Healers and we are rare as a real playing race not all of us are boxed! I play a real Prophet who is my highest char and I feel so much more appreciated then someone who had a boxed Prophet! So I still stand behind the warrior 1 heal at a time :D
I completely agree! It really depends on which way you are wanting to go.. I currently do both healer/buffer & solo/tank I use duels to fight with & wear my robes for the mp & faster casting and it works out really well :)
I will have to completly dissagree with that.
When a prophet can dish out 300 damge/SS and 1400 damge/SS when both blades crit againt white and yellow mobs..... it is deffinatly NOT ment to be two boxed >< I silently cry deep down inside each time I see a 2box prophet wasting its potential.
It is not meant to be a boxed character what so ever and whoever believes that has seriosuly never played a healer class or is seriously no good at it!
I agree with Shrimpstoo on this one completely. I am earning 10% exp per hour soloing in battle prophet mode. I have absolutely zero downtime and am making great money as well.
Not sure about PvP situations, but in PvE, we rock!
EE and Bishop over a prophet because they can heal themselves for an insane amount of hp. After my heals, my hp count is equal to be about 17,000 hp before I run out of mp (after buffs of course)... EE also has stacking shield buffs against a prophet's bow (cutting dmg in 1/2).
EE>Bishop because at least they have some buffs like Aeigis to resist Bishop sleep... They also have WindShackle to lower opponents attack speed... And other buffs to raise their own defense rate. Windshackling a healer's already low patak makes their hits bunk even if you're in robes.
EE and Bish > SE because SE casts slow (more chance for spell interruption) and they have the lowest Con (Hitpoints)... They also have the lowest mp regen rate. With root, their oppenents with a bow can still smack them around. When an SE with a bow roots me, I sleep them until root wears off... Then I shackle them and tear em up.
Only reason I put prophets above and SE is because of their armor masteries and SE's low damage output. SE can't sleep a prophet and most prophets carry bows. SE can heal themselves for more hp, but they won't be able to do enough damage (while taking turns smacking and healing) without running out of mp.
Any Healer played right can be a thorn in 1v1 melee because of their good defense build. I've killed gladiators and bladedancers to their great dismay... But in group pvp, our killspeed is so slow that we're bound to get ganked long before we can take down even a single opponent... Not to mention the ongoing shouts of your party memebers to keep them alive... So in this case your best bet will be to duck and cover long enough to outlive the fray. If you die, the whole party goes with you (assuming you're the only healer)... so it's not worth attracting attention to yourself and running out front to lead the charge unless you're observing the crazy dog that maraculously survives these pushes by spamming cp pots.
Why ppl underestimate windshackle :eek: Against melee its **** evil. SE can same way windshackle as EE and has better buffs than EE. Yes PP has better buffs than SE but lack of heals. I've seen SE beating up SK with only selfbuffs, cause without concentration SK cant cast that well.. same goes for many melees. Definetely they cant beat nukers or archers.. difficult also with daggers, but most warriors/tanks are not THAT safe from healers. Never underestimate SE in 1v1 against melee.. unless its dumb SE.
Why ppl underestimate windshackle :eek: Against melee its **** evil. SE can same way windshackle as EE and has better buffs than EE. Yes PP has better buffs than SE but lack of heals. I've seen SE beating up SK with only selfbuffs, cause without concentration SK cant cast that well.. same goes for many melees. Definetely they cant beat nukers or archers.. difficult also with daggers, but most warriors/tanks are not THAT safe from healers. Never underestimate SE in 1v1 against melee.. unless its dumb SE.
And since most SE's are controlled by Macro's they shouldnt be too hard =P Plus their slow c.speed gives more chance to interrupt them.
Yeah.. sorry i forgot about that. Macroed SE = dumb SE.. so sure you can beat them easily.
Mmm... slow casting speed.. yes, but also bit cureable with wit dyes and proper armor and acumen pot (BW light for example) and yes... they are interrupted, but not as easily, cause they have concentration also, besides healing skill isnt that slow and when opponent is windshackled SE can easily heal up.
Maybe.. I just have issues seeing those puppets behind "real" chars not many real SEs around these days it seems, which is sad and even more sad that half of them dont even know what windshackle is. But yeah.. ofcourse for pve robes are the best, but if some SE still likes to have fun on its own, could try BW light and pwn some melees ;)
Perhaps a new player event needs to be started - the battle of the healers / buffers to test out the theories and to experiment.
I have never been one for PVP. I will die with the rest of my group or share the victory. One thing to keep in mind though, the healers and buffers are there for support in your group. If a member dies - get them up / buffed / healed so they can continue to rock. Yeah - we can root / sleep the heck out of the enemy (God willing they don't have Mental Shield on). One on one - self buffed only - I don't die instantly and sometimes have the advantage. I do need to hone my PVP skills though - something I am lacking. Just keep in mind - I have seen healers and buffers fight it out. Those can be some very long fights. :eek:
We have to make the disticntion between pvp 1vs 1 in arena and an all out pvp war with multiple invlved.
1vs1 in arena....
I agree that SE, EE and Bishops can pull a few tricks out and if played smart can surprise many. It may be a long fight but the healer/buffer may come out on top.
all out war...thats COMPLETLY different
Most EE SE and Bishops are running around in robes when in a party. If suddenly open pvp starts (lets say between waring clans) somone in robes is easily taken down. EE, SE and bishops cant have fun taking someon 1 on 1... its not their job. They are supposed to keep thier party members alive.
Now for a prophet.... our heals are lvl 35 cleric crappy heals. In high lvl pvp they will NOT make a difference. We are aslo assuming that the prophet is doing its job and the party is all buffed up.... whats left for the prophet to do??? We will then assume that it is an actual player behind the prophet. And assume that the propht is equiped in heavy armor with a good weapon and tatoos.... Hes gonna assist his party members and kill kill kill. With roots mixed in of course.
Summary: 1vs1 in arena... fine all healers/buffers played smart can be surprising. But in an all out pvp war with many people the prophet will kick @ss and be able to attack while still providing support. Why? Cause he has heavy armor and a weapon that can actually do some pretty decent damage. Bishops, EE an SE can heal, res, sleep/root. If thats what you consider pvp fine... I call that support. But hey, thats just me, I still say prophets are the only ones out of the 4 that can pvp in all situations.
We have to make the disticntion between pvp 1vs 1 in arena and an all out pvp war with multiple invlved.
1vs1 in arena....
I agree that SE, EE and Bishops can pull a few tricks out and if played smart can surprise many. It may be a long fight but the healer/buffer may come out on top.
all out war...thats COMPLETLY different
Most EE SE and Bishops are running around in robes when in a party. If suddenly open pvp starts (lets say between waring clans) somone in robes is easily taken down. EE, SE and bishops cant have fun taking someon 1 on 1... its not their job. They are supposed to keep thier party members alive.
Now for a prophet.... our heals are lvl 35 cleric crappy heals. In high lvl pvp they will NOT make a difference. We are aslo assuming that the prophet is doing its job and the party is all buffed up.... whats left for the prophet to do??? We will then assume that it is an actual player behind the prophet. And assume that the propht is equiped in heavy armor with a good weapon and tatoos.... Hes gonna assist his party members and kill kill kill. With roots mixed in of course.
Summary: 1vs1 in arena... fine all healers/buffers played smart can be surprising. But in an all out pvp war with many people the prophet will kick @ss and be able to attack while still providing support. Why? Cause he has heavy armor and a weapon that can actually do some pretty decent damage. Bishops, EE an SE can heal, res, sleep/root. If thats what you consider pvp fine... I call that support. But hey, thats just me, I still say prophets are the only ones out of the 4 that can pvp in all situations.
I really have to disagree with all those saying EEs are the best at pvp. So what if we can heal ourselves? Have you ever heard of heal pots and cp pots? In real pvp, people are going to use those. We have no offensive buffs and all of our strength/accuracy stats SUCK. I tried out a bow a long time ago, had it for a while. Mobs would actually disappear before I could kill them. That's sad. An EE's accuracy is just impossibly low.
In all my time playing L2, I've never known any EEs or Bishops to have a high PvP count. However, I've known SEVERAL Prophets who really deal out the damage and had as high pvp counts as many melee. And I've also known a couple of SEs who had decent pvp scores.
Prophets, in particular, are great in pvp, IMO. Even in robes, I've known prophets to be awesome in pvp. There was one prophet in my clan who could last longer than anyone in mass pvp. Prophets have huge hp (their answer to the EE's ability to heal themselves) and great buffs. With OE'd dual swords, he could take out 4-5 other players before anyone killed him.
I would say Prophet > SE > EE > Bishop
Is the OP asking which healer can kill the other healers better or which healer can pvp against ALL other classes? I assumed he was asking the latter, so that's what my post is written towards. It seems other people assumed he's just talking between healers, but w/e. :p
Is the OP asking which healer can kill the other healers better or which healer can pvp against ALL other classes? I assumed he was asking the latter, so that's what my post is written towards. It seems other people assumed he's just talking between healers, but w/e. :p
Well said :D
Glad we agree with the Prophet>SE>EE>Bishop (agaisnt non healers lol)
Is the OP asking which healer can kill the other healers better or which healer can pvp against ALL other classes? I assumed he was asking the latter, so that's what my post is written towards. It seems other people assumed he's just talking between healers, but w/e. :p
Sorry if that was unclear. I was referring to the pvp abilities of the various healer class in general (against any class).
Awesome thread, too, really invaluable to someone just starting out like myself.
YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE *YAY* I completely agree Prophets are the best for a PVP situation, maybe not by much but enough to make a difference when it comes to pvping with a healer.
I also agree we should have some kind of pvp healer showdown in anyone is interested in that I've got a 45 Prophet on the Sieg server who would love to try that out! For fun like in the arena where you wont lose exp if you want??! Just msg my char (see below) and let me know :)
LOL I would love to see that happen please video it and then send it to me or post it on the site :D I think for show I'm going to try pvping with some healers i know and have a friend tape it and then post it and see the out come just for the hell of it!!!!