Last night Chaos rallied to kill Antharas. They brought 20 ppl from Laguna Blade clan and another 20+ from RisingBlades. It was the opinion of those who were there that Chaos could not do Antharas without this extra help.
I spoke with Analhanna, leader of LagunaBlade, and they did NOT port in because of the convo. Analhanna understoond completely our position, as she has been playing on this server for 2 yrs.
RisingBlades leader was not online and they ported in and helped. RisingBlades ally will be KOS. If you see them anywhere just speak up. You have ZERO obligation to go red. Just war their clans so IF they do kill u, you only lose 1%. You see them flagged, drop them. You feel like killing or griefing them, do it.
It is the opinion of our ally that Chaos is led by the worst type of gamers that exist on this or any US server.
Anyone who helps Chaos raid is directly supporting Chaos. THEY KNOW THIS. Chaos intentionally entices neutral clans to raid with them KNOWING our position. Then we fight the neutral clans, the neutral clan then disbands a couple months later, some remaining members join Chaos, etc. That's the cycle. It has been the cycle for over a yr.
At this time RisingBlades ally is KOS by Invincible for their direct support of Chaos' antharas raid. We are sharing so all understand our position, and hopefully future misunderstanding can be avoided.
You cannot state you play the game for fun, and then help clans which steal the accounts of legit players. Cannot do it. Chaos' claims about Invincible not letting neutral clans have fun is 100% political bs, they **** well know it, and we wont tolerate it.
I actually had typed something out, a big long responce etc.
But then i figured screw that i can sum this up in 5 letters.
Ohh for hell sakes must you drag the drama here too? As if half of both our alliances plus many neutrals haven't been reading the thread all day anyway? Do you honestly have nothing better to do that start drama?
Last night Chaos rallied to kill Antharas. They brought 20 ppl from Laguna Blade clan and another 20+ from RisingBlades. It was the opinion of those who were there that Chaos could not do Antharas without this extra help.
I spoke with Analhanna, leader of LagunaBlade, and they did NOT port in because of the convo. Analhanna understoond completely our position, as she has been playing on this server for 2 yrs.
RisingBlades leader was not online and they ported in and helped. RisingBlades ally will be KOS. If you see them anywhere just speak up. You have ZERO obligation to go red. Just war their clans so IF they do kill u, you only lose 1%. You see them flagged, drop them. You feel like killing or griefing them, do it.
It is the opinion of our ally that Chaos is led by the worst type of gamers that exist on this or any US server.
Anyone who helps Chaos raid is directly supporting Chaos. THEY KNOW THIS. Chaos intentionally entices neutral clans to raid with them KNOWING our position. Then we fight the neutral clans, the neutral clan then disbands a couple months later, some remaining members join Chaos, etc. That's the cycle. It has been the cycle for over a yr.
At this time RisingBlades ally is KOS by Invincible for their direct support of Chaos' antharas raid. We are sharing so all understand our position, and hopefully future misunderstanding can be avoided.
You cannot state you play the game for fun, and then help clans which steal the accounts of legit players. Cannot do it. Chaos' claims about Invincible not letting neutral clans have fun is 100% political bs, they **** well know it, and we wont tolerate it.
I actually had typed something out, a big long responce etc.
But then i figured screw that i can sum this up in 5 letters.
L-M-A-O
I like the part where he states that he had a conversation with them and they fully understood and didnt come in.
I mean. Why would they be upset for the fact that like stated some have played for 2 years and were invited to see Antharas and were denied cause Truelies threatened them. Tyrant wannabe?
RB is a neutral alliance that wanted to expierience Antharas. Chaos invited them to do it. Chaos had 120+ people alone and has done the raid with fewer before. RB was not a deciding factor in doing it in the least. The fact that some people in Chaos talk to people in RB does not mean a thing to the Inv/Chaos war. It meant that some thought it would be cool for people who have never seen Antharas to see it. But TL wanted to be a tyrant wannabe. I am happy at least a few RB got to expierience it and after 2 years got that fun. To bad certain fatheads will use it as an excuse to grief more people.
In all honesty you cxan see the cycle turning. Old school Invincible griefed everyone. They ruled. Then they ****** off the rest of the server who brought them down.
Then they played PR games and were the nice guys to the neutrals to get back on top.
The one leader with a brain on Invincibles side leaves the game and the cycle starts again. I bet TL runs that alliance into the ground in under 4 weeks
Ok I wasnt there and dont have all the details yet but heres our side of the story.
We were invited to do Antharas. Our leaders discussed this and said why the hell not. If Inv had invited us first we would have done it with you. Unfortunately you didnt and Chaos invited us first, hence we did it with them.
We were asked to stay out of any pvp that occurred and we did so.
We continue to remain neutral and will not reveal locations or assist directly in PvP.
If you now decide to attack us you will need to go red.
If you choose to go red on us then we will let your enemies know exactly where and who.
Thats your call. We dont give a rats [censored] about our levels but we wont be bent over simply because we were offered a taste of the end game and decided to take it.
We've had people suggest to us hiding our ally tags. Our leaders agree thats a chickshit way to be and wont do so.
How about being big about this and inviting us to you next Antharas raid. We will happily join in. I have friends in both your ally and Chaos. I have no interest in your fight. If you now fight us then you are forcing us to choose sides. Your call.
TL hopefully you are smart enough to know that you should judge people by their actions rather than by words. Our actions over the last 2 years speak for us. What you do now will determine how people perceive you.
Have fun.
The day that our alliance lets someone else tells us when and where we can experience the endgame is the day I leave this game.
I'm proud of our guys for going anyway (I had RL commitments and couldnt make it). I'm embarassed for Laguna for not going. Its always better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
I await an invite from Invinc to do Antharas. We are just as happy to help you do it as we were to help Chaos.
In all honesty you cxan see the cycle turning. Old school Invincible griefed everyone. They ruled. Then they ****** off the rest of the server who brought them down.
Theres one major difference. The first time there was a huge level difference. Thanks to the cap that isnt the case anymore. This server wont tolerate the same rubbish it had to put up with in C1 anymore.
Ohh for hell sakes must you drag the drama here too? As if half of both our alliances plus many neutrals haven't been reading the thread all day anyway? Do you honestly have nothing better to do that start drama?
I could lvl but thats for noobs. And sweedish people.
Ohh for hell sakes must you drag the drama here too? As if half of both our alliances plus many neutrals haven't been reading the thread all day anyway? Do you honestly have nothing better to do that start drama?
Why not? ... Some of us don't *GASP* read the Invincible forums ... because ... well, let's just say it's not the most unbiased venue on the net and not everyone has tolerance for the instant degradation of every post to "YO MOMMA!" flames.
Maybe because the leaders of the concerned clans DO read our forums and are workign the issue out. Rather than saying "Hey look everybody on L2 and forum trolls who read for servers besides their own. These alliances are having a dispute. Why don't we drag every casual observer into it and tun it into another Chaos and/or Invincible suxs OMG thread".
Rather than leave it to those involved Veansa has chosen to take a private matter and cause an uproar with everyone who reads these boards.
Last night Chaos rallied to kill Antharas. They brought 20 ppl from Laguna Blade clan and another 20+ from RisingBlades. It was the opinion of those who were there that Chaos could not do Antharas without this extra help.
I spoke with Analhanna, leader of LagunaBlade, and they did NOT port in because of the convo. Analhanna understoond completely our position, as she has been playing on this server for 2 yrs.
RisingBlades leader was not online and they ported in and helped. RisingBlades ally will be KOS. If you see them anywhere just speak up. You have ZERO obligation to go red. Just war their clans so IF they do kill u, you only lose 1%. You see them flagged, drop them. You feel like killing or griefing them, do it.
It is the opinion of our ally that Chaos is led by the worst type of gamers that exist on this or any US server.
Anyone who helps Chaos raid is directly supporting Chaos. THEY KNOW THIS. Chaos intentionally entices neutral clans to raid with them KNOWING our position. Then we fight the neutral clans, the neutral clan then disbands a couple months later, some remaining members join Chaos, etc. That's the cycle. It has been the cycle for over a yr.
At this time RisingBlades ally is KOS by Invincible for their direct support of Chaos' antharas raid. We are sharing so all understand our position, and hopefully future misunderstanding can be avoided.
You cannot state you play the game for fun, and then help clans which steal the accounts of legit players. Cannot do it. Chaos' claims about Invincible not letting neutral clans have fun is 100% political bs, they **** well know it, and we wont tolerate it.
I actually had typed something out, a big long responce etc.
But then i figured screw that i can sum this up in 5 letters.
L-M-A-O
It 4 letters :)
Edit:..oh lol mods ereased the ".." letter. it WAS 5 :)
Edit: TL if u want to prevent clans joining chaos , why are you KOSing neutral clans if they join chaos hunts?
If a clan joins the chaos alliance he is anyway your enemy.
If u punish them making a free choise joining a Antharas hunt u are deminishing your own goal. These clans will feel attracted towards chaos becuse of Your actions.
I mean its all very obvious, there is no secret it what Inv Chaos is doing and on how sympathy is working.
For now the Score is : Inv 0:1 Lionna.
And you are responsible for this selfgoal.
:(
Edit : its a valid tactic to punish a clan if it joins activities with an enemy. But as ppl say befor me here, A neutral clan enjoing a Antharashunt with chaos, getting on KOS by Inv WILL get mad at INV not at Chaos . So it probably will enforce the stance of your enemy, wont u say ?
As time goes and lvls rise, ppl/clans may look for a appropriate partnership to access essential huntingrouds.
A "Baseballbat" treatment wont enhance the sympathy score for inv i dare to say.
I am not saying to become carebaers , its still legit to KOS whoever u want. But its a sign of a good stile to wear gloves while u kill.
Rather than leave it to those involved Veansa has chosen to take a private matter and cause an uproar with everyone who reads these boards.
Laguna and Risingblades weren't the only ones to get invites. Several other alliances were extended the offer to do Antharas (which was nice of Chaos). So, in fact, the neutrals do in fact have a stake in the outcome of this little arguement.
Chaos allows neutrals to raid with Invincible. I don't see why Invincible can't extend the same. Chaos and Invincible don't need us. They invite us because we're friends with some of them. So its not like Invincible's gaining anything by KOS'ing a completely neutral alliance.
This is the Mirage story all over again, learn from history. You can't help the enemy of someone (in any way) and expect them to leave you alone. If anything, this is just a chaos tactic to turn the neutrals against Inv.
Neutrals better stay out of any Inv/Chaos matter. It's your risk.
This is the Mirage story all over again, learn from history. You can't help the enemy of someone (in any way) and expect them to leave you alone. If anything, this is just a chaos tactic to turn the neutrals against Inv.
Neutrals better stay out of any Inv/Chaos matter. It's your risk.
Your an idiot. Its not the mirage story. Mirage didn't just go to antharas one time to experience an end game raid. They seiged and pvp'ed with invincible. Thats 350% different...thats right not 100% different its 3.5% more different then 100% different...thats pretty different.
Leave orb the [censored] alone if orb/laguna blade want to raid with invincible thats fine. During the pvp before the raid neither helped Chaos or Invin. Thats Nuetral. Mirage however fights along side invincible...not nuetral.
However you seem to have forgotten the true story, don't blame ya, don't expect anyone to know what was going on when you were on the other side of the fence grasping at straws to fuel your propaganda machine.
I like how it is now, it's clear cut. No more confusion. Anyone remember what actually happened when Aurorae was alive? Guess not. I never try to hide the truth (from my point of view), even if it is negative for my alliance. I've shown that several times in the past. I'm up front, it's my philosophy if you will call it that ^^
PS. Yes I know it's useless to discuss this, but it's fun to read about all the misconceptions the enemy has! It's no surprise really, of course you want to paint your enemies in a bad light so your side seems just! Look at the farmer/bot/ebay discussions, prime example. BTW, don't get into that here, it serves no purpose, it was an expample of how you paint your enemies to justify the means. blahblahbla
he didnt mean antharas he means when we got killed by syndicate for doing some rbs with inv way back when mirage was fully neutral
Chaos is not Syndicate, thanks. It has a lot of the same people and clans but the ideology is different and so is the overall leadership. the Mirage and Syndicate stuff is completely irrelevant here.
I'd love to see all the neutrals and whoever else wants in to see Antharas be able to see him. Whether they go with us or with Invincible really isn't an issue. At least it shouldn't be.
Setech, your sig man. Rebellion was an alliance..not a clan. I love you.
This is the Mirage story all over again, learn from history. You can't help the enemy of someone (in any way) and expect them to leave you alone. If anything, this is just a chaos tactic to turn the neutrals against Inv.
Neutrals better stay out of any Inv/Chaos matter. It's your risk.
Here's the really funny part Mulch.
The overall claim from the Invin. members that aren't hiding in shame over this most recent of TL's "foot-in-mouth" remarks is that Chaos is inviting neutral alliances to do Chaos raids so that Inv will attack them, and then they'll like Chaos better and side against Inv....
What I love most about this particular response is that instead of Inv. saying, "Hey...wait a minute! This is a diabolical trap to turn the server against us again!" and laughing it off, they're doing EXACTLY what they claim Chaos wants them to!
Either two things are going on here...
The first is that you have all become so apathetic that you actually believe you can still walk all over everyone...and this whole fiasco was just a cute excuse to start carrying out that directive.
OR
You secretly want Chaos and their cronies to take you into the back and bend you over a saw horse.
If this isn't the case then you should have smiled and said, "Hey...we're doing Baium in a few...you neutral guys should come check him out too!"
Let's face it...TL just isn't half the leader that any of the 3 that came before him were. I laughed my button off when Inv owned the server....but you guys are going downhill a fair sight faster than I thought was possible.
This is the Mirage story all over again, learn from history. You can't help the enemy of someone (in any way) and expect them to leave you alone. If anything, this is just a chaos tactic to turn the neutrals against Inv.
Neutrals better stay out of any Inv/Chaos matter. It's your risk.
mirage and syndicate had a few run ins
which resulted in mirage gravitating towards inv.
ok so the fights only intensified
then you were promised giran and voila here we are today ;)
thats the story. and it has nothing to do with antharas raids or [censored] like that
i believe the raiding thing only came into play when inyri and evolution was talking to awesome.
Ill gladly clear up any other confusing issues here just let me know
You live in the past, and still believe what everyone is saying. Pay attention to what is going on.
You can't expect to assist one side without the other side to react. It's just the way it has become. Mirage tried it, didn't work at all. That's all I'm saying. I'm fine with the neutral clans doing stuff with my enemies as long as they don't directly interfere in what's going on between our two sides and stay on the sidelines.
I do however understand that some people can't accept neutrals helping their enemies with whatever. It's not only how Inv does things, it's Chaos as well, though it's my belief it's just a tactical manouver to gain support. Why they would get it, I have no idea. Chaos and Inv are more alike than most people would think. It's the same stuff that goes on in both of the alliances. I leave Mirage out of this comparison, since we have a different playstyle and don't accept certain things that is needless to mention here. We've shown that time and time again, with actions.
Chaos has never killed neutrals for helping INV raid, get off that already. And you criticize for living in the past but all you have talked about is SYN. The only time the anti-INV ppl killed neutrals was as a response to INV killing those who were friendly with Evolution (i.e., TOG, Ravens). As a result, EVO went after Nirvana and broke them. Other than that, the anti-INV ppl have NEVER gone after neutrals and i can assure you that chaos would not go after random neutrals just because they went and did antharas or baium with INV. Stop saying that already. Understand that the line is drawn at pvp events such as open pvp and sieges, not raids.
Mirage can't be left out of it....
Don't work your way around it kkthx.
no matter what you say mirage cannot be left out of the inv vs chaos, time after time after time, you have aided inv in whatever they have done, therefor Mirage cannot be left out.
If i'm ignored during play or simply threatened by a bunch i can't possibly beat---those would be inv folks.
If I'm suddenly slaughtered from behind by 2 or 3 folks in the next higher grade gear than mine, and they stand over me and shout insults--those would be chaos folks.
You gotta admit, from the outside the difference between both ubers is kinda slim.
I would characterize inv as 'arrogant jerks' and chaos as 'nasty jerks'.
So far in 7 months of play I have yet to experience even one single player, one time, from EITHER alliance behave in a way other than what I've described.
News flash from the unalligned "non-people" on lionna----YOU BOTH SUCK.
Unfortunately the non-aligned of lionna have no choice but to ALWAYS judge first by the alliance tag. You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
Before anyone outside of the alliances can possibly know if a chaos/invin player is "okay" or not---they see the tags and feel that they already know the answer.
My point is--a choas tag or invincible tag is a symbol to the rest of us that the person wearing it is almost certainly a cheating jerk--or at least we're pretty confident about the jerk part. And we pretty much have come to expect, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS OFTEN, that we will hear filth, disrespect, and a ridiculous attitude from interactions involving alliance members from both sides.
That's not a statement about those of us outside of the alliances--it's a statement about chaos and invincible.
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy. Experience has taught me in this game that interactions with those folks just never go well.
Those tags aren't representations of the strength and value of the choas and invincible alliances to the rest of us on the server. They are a sign post that says "choas and invincible alliances are for a-holes....you don't want any part of being associated with either one".
One has to assume that is exactly how both alliances want to be viewed.
Every time I see either a Chaos or Inv tag, I tense up and start hovering on my BSOE.
But I have had some good experiences in the past. I just wanted to point that out. Sometimes, as you dig through the rotten apples you find a fresh one, gleaming and worth something.
Unfortunately the non-aligned of lionna have no choice but to ALWAYS judge first by the alliance tag. You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
Before anyone outside of the alliances can possibly know if a chaos/invin player is "okay" or not---they see the tags and feel that they already know the answer.
My point is--a choas tag or invincible tag is a symbol to the rest of us that the person wearing it is almost certainly a cheating jerk--or at least we're pretty confident about the jerk part. And we pretty much have come to expect, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS OFTEN, that we will hear filth, disrespect, and a ridiculous attitude from interactions involving alliance members from both sides.
That's not a statement about those of us outside of the alliances--it's a statement about chaos and invincible.
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
Experience has taught me in this game that interactions with those folks just never go well.
Those tags aren't representations of the strength and value of the choas and invincible alliances to the rest of us on the server. They are a sign post that says "choas and invincible alliances are for a-holes....you don't want any part of being associated with either one".
One has to assume that is exactly how both alliances want to be viewed.
alright i am tired of you *** holes that just read forums and form your opinions... u have not been on this **** server long enough to know either alliance, you cannot judge either side by what u read on forums, they tell nothing except the side of those who post...
You my friend are ignorant, there are people in EACH alliance that are in those ALLIANCES to have fun, u have fun RPing, i have no problem with it, you want to stay out of the Invin/Mirage/Chaos war, GREAT more power to ya, play the game how you want to...
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
wow, just wow, complete IGNORANCE... have not seen so much IGNORANCE in one person... ur worse than even the worse of chaos/mirage/invin, ur much worse...
Me, im a nice guy, anyone that has talked to me will tell you that, i normally say hi to invin members if i see them in town, they usually dont respond but w/e thats how they play the game... i always say GF after i get rolled no matter if its a "invin zerg" or just Voo coming in to say "Hi, thanks for playing l2 you give me free pvp points"
Im reading my post, and your post over and i cant stress enough to the people that read these forums not to listen to this guy... he knows nothing! in my interactions with people from invin, most are like me, they play the game in their alliance because they want the pvp fun, we say GF every time and move on... some are [censored], but w/e u have them everywhere...
i dont know what ally your in but i can assure u someone has cheated in ur ally, one way or another THEY HAVE CHEATED...
Do i think im a badass for being in chaos? no, im already a badass, chaos just adds to it ^^
Unfortunately the non-aligned of lionna have no choice but to ALWAYS judge first by the alliance tag. You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
Before anyone outside of the alliances can possibly know if a chaos/invin player is "okay" or not---they see the tags and feel that they already know the answer.
My point is--a choas tag or invincible tag is a symbol to the rest of us that the person wearing it is almost certainly a cheating jerk--or at least we're pretty confident about the jerk part. And we pretty much have come to expect, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS OFTEN, that we will hear filth, disrespect, and a ridiculous attitude from interactions involving alliance members from both sides.
That's not a statement about those of us outside of the alliances--it's a statement about chaos and invincible.
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy. Experience has taught me in this game that interactions with those folks just never go well.
Those tags aren't representations of the strength and value of the choas and invincible alliances to the rest of us on the server. They are a sign post that says "choas and invincible alliances are for a-holes....you don't want any part of being associated with either one".
One has to assume that is exactly how both alliances want to be viewed.
Almost certainly a cheating jerk?
I laugh at that because IMHO, more neutral clans ebay and bot more then inv and chaos COMBINED ever could. The botting part could be somewhat debatable, the ebay part is almost a certain fact.
I can assure you that inv is full of good people, and while I dislike a lot in chaos, I am sure many there are decent as well, but like any side, there are always people other clans and alliances will not like and then they paint the whole alliance that way.
I honestly don't know who is worse, chaos or the neutrals. Chaos don't whine nearly as much as you ******s do.
At this point, as one of the parties with vested interest in this, I'd like to point you all to my sig on another forum:
"Fighting online is like racing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still ******ed."
No offense meant to anyone that suffers from handicaps, or has family or friends with such is intended, of course. I just think it's appropriate at this time.
DrakkosIV I think your post is as unfair as the ref that awarded that !!@@#@ penalty to Italy over Australia.
Make no mistake there are good people on both sides, if you dont spend the time to get to know the good ones thats unfortunately your loss.
Respect is a 2 way street. Anyone starting later in this game is going to struggle to have the opportunity to meet these people though.
Your not the only one making unfair generalisatiosn though.
Not all neutrals are whiners, not all RPers get Sharif banned (sorry I had to), not all Fifa referees cheat...hmm...take the last one back.
Making huge generalisations only makes your life harder.
DrakkosIV I think your post is as unfair as the ref that awarded that !!@@#@ penalty to Italy over Australia.
LOL
Make no mistake there are good people on both sides, if you dont spend the time to get to know the good ones thats unfortunately your loss.
Respect is a 2 way street. Anyone starting later in this game is going to struggle to have the opportunity to meet these people though.
Your not the only one making unfair generalisatiosn though.
Not all neutrals are whiners, not all RPers get Sharif banned (sorry I had to), not all Fifa referees cheat...hmm...take the last one back.
L-M-A-O
Making huge generalisations only makes your life harder.
You made me laugh and now the Librarian lady is looking at me funny.
Rather than leave it to those involved Veansa has chosen to take a private matter and cause an uproar with everyone who reads these boards.
I just have to respond to this. You say it's a PRIVATE matter? How is that so? Truelies posted that in the general, PUBLIC section of his forums (yes, HIS forums, not Invincible forums) for everyone to read. He could have easily kept it in the private section, letting his folks know that RB is KOS. But he did not. Instead he made the choice to put the information out there for everyone to see AND to send a clear message from his imagined throne to any and all other neutral alliances that if they choose to lay down with the dogs of Chaos then they too will be neutered by the mighty Invincible alliance.
To be honest, I'm glad it was posted in a public forum (the original post, not this one).
That gave me and every other RisingBlades leader a chance to see exactly what the terms were. TL says he's not political, I say he's just not political enough.
--a choas tag or invincible tag is a symbol to the rest of us that the person wearing it is almost certainly a cheating jerk--or at least we're pretty confident about the jerk part.
Y'know, I'm greatly offended by this post--I take that back, I'm greatly annoyed when I see individuals make sweeping generalizations AND making them for everyone else on the server. You cannot possibly know all of Chaos nor all of Invincible. Personally, I try to help out in any way others in the game if I see them in need--as long as they don't have a war tag over their heads. I know many, many others who do the same on BOTH sides. I don't play this game to trash talk, to bully, or to cheat. I play it because I absolutely love my clannies, they are great people and I'd be more than proud to call any of them "friend" outside of the game.
Maybe YOU should expand your horizons and, instead of judging a player based upon their tag, judge them based upon their actions. I find it hard to believe that EVERY single person with a Chaos or Invincible tag that you've encountered has treated you poorly.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the the original post was posted in the public section...now we know how things are going to "fly" as far as TL is concerned...it's absolutely ridiculous.
Unfortunately the non-aligned of lionna have no choice but to ALWAYS judge first by the alliance tag. You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
alright i am tired of you *** holes that just read forums and form your opinions... u have not been on this **** server long enough to know either alliance, you cannot judge either side by what u read on forums, they tell nothing except the side of those who post...
You my friend are ignorant, there are people in EACH alliance that are in those ALLIANCES to have fun, u have fun RPing, i have no problem with it, you want to stay out of the Invin/Mirage/Chaos war, GREAT more power to ya, play the game how you want to...
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
wow, just wow, complete IGNORANCE... have not seen so much IGNORANCE in one person... ur worse than even the worse of chaos/mirage/invin, ur much worse...
Me, im a nice guy, anyone that has talked to me will tell you that, i normally say hi to invin members if i see them in town, they usually dont respond but w/e thats how they play the game... i always say GF after i get rolled no matter if its a "invin zerg" or just Voo coming in to say "Hi, thanks for playing l2 you give me free pvp points"
Im reading my post, and your post over and i cant stress enough to the people that read these forums not to listen to this guy... he knows nothing! in my interactions with people from invin, most are like me, they play the game in their alliance because they want the pvp fun, we say GF every time and move on... some are [censored], but w/e u have them everywhere...
i dont know what ally your in but i can assure u someone has cheated in ur ally, one way or another THEY HAVE CHEATED...
Do i think im a badass for being in chaos? no, im already a badass, chaos just adds to it ^^
I agree with you that the poor sod is a little ignorant....but all the profanity didn't really help your cause in proving him wrong 0.o
Drakk, the reason that our overzealous friend here is quite correct in so naming you though is evident in your own admittion that you'd not talk to anyone with a Chaos or Inv tag long enough to get to know them. Rather like not talking to Americans because you heard they were loud and obnoxious, or not talking to the French because they're rude....Marcus is quite correct in saying that such broad statements are most usually far from the truth....it's the downfall of most absolutes, by which I mean there are always shades of gray. Some members of both groups are probably just shy of the devil incarnate...some members of both groups might well be the the world's very salvation...the vast majority of them are something in between.
Something you might want to consider too before stretching out your character list in proud display, and in the next breathe calling everyone from Chaos and Inv cheaters is how long you've been in the game....and how you got to where you are.
For the 7 months I've been in this game I've generally been griefed, offended, or insulted when confronted by a chaos or invincible tagged player.
I write in a post--about Inv/Chaos--that there is another side to their story (that would be the non-aligned viewpoint).....
And that makes me 1) wrong, 2) ignorant, 3) ridiculous.
What a joke this is from my perspective! Players wearing your tags treat me like crap for 7 months over and over and I'm the bad guy for suggesting you're not nice. Funny.
Who knew you were both such forces for good and just collections of happy, fun players out to have a good time!
If you were offended by my comments I am truly sorry to have caused that. Perhaps my inflammatory words were a bit over the top.
My point about experiencing both alliances, though overstated, is none the less accurate.
Both have shown me time and again they are to be avoided----not my fault.
For the 7 months I've been in this game I've generally been griefed, offended, or insulted when confronted by a chaos or invincible tagged player.
I write in a post--about Inv/Chaos--that there is another side to their story (that would be the non-aligned viewpoint).....
And that makes me 1) wrong, 2) ignorant, 3) ridiculous.
What a joke this is from my perspective! Players wearing your tags treat me like crap for 7 months over and over and I'm the bad guy for suggesting you're not nice. Funny.
Who knew you were both such forces for good and just collections of happy, fun players out to have a good time!
If you were offended by my comments I am truly sorry to have caused that. Perhaps my inflammatory words were a bit over the top.
My point about experiencing both alliances, though overstated, is none the less accurate.
Both have shown me time and again they are to be avoided----not my fault.
I just find it sad that you've not had one single experience with members of either alliance that has been anything but wretched. And yes, I was also annoyed that your post made it seem that you were speaking for all "non-aligned" players when you posted your views that Chaos and Invin are all scum. I won't lie, there are complete [censored] in both alliances but it's been MY personal experience that the good people in the alliances far outweigh the bad.
Is anyone else having the problem of being beaten down by both both alliances every time they see them? I'd really like to hear from others if this is the case.
I hope your situation improves. PM me any time in game if you'd like.
none of us are proud that you have been griefed. 4 months ago i was still neutral and you have a good point. I used to hunt cemetary right at the time when many Inv and back then it was syndicate. I got trained daily and died tons, not purposely usually. Often i was just abystandard as they tried to kill the other side. I understand your point and actually this has been a big topic within our alliance.
That all being said there are probably 500-600 players in inv/ chaos alone and you chose to judge eveyone by those members. Myself i do think that a clan is responsible for the actins of its members but that is not a common belief. Many players go though the game without any trouble from either side and if you read recruitment posts for either side the applicants just so happened to have a very bad run in with the other side that drove them to the enemy.
Your judgment of the the ally based on a limited sample is what has caused an issue, not that you have been griefed. Griefers happen, they occur in all clans in the game but just because i get ganked by someone doesn't mean the same behavior will be apparant from all of their allies. the truth is you ARE ignorant. Not only that, but you are proud of the fact. You have willingly chosen to ignore a very important part of the server just because you've had a bad run in with some members. The honest truth is it's kind of hard to be in one of the big alliances. Every second you are watching for enemies tha may never come and every untagged player could be a spy (and often is). For this reason people in the big alliances do tend to be rather rough with unknown neutrals. It is only those who are active in their neutrality who are truly seen by the alliances as middle ground. People whom avoid contact on the other hand, you can never be sure of them.
You ARE ignorant Drakkos. And good luck to you if you wish to experience the high level content of L2. Like it or not, you will HAVE TO deal with these players you despise so much if you plan on experiencing all Lionna has to offer.
For the 7 months I've been in this game I've generally been griefed, offended, or insulted when confronted by a chaos or invincible tagged player.
I write in a post--about Inv/Chaos--that there is another side to their story (that would be the non-aligned viewpoint).....
And that makes me 1) wrong, 2) ignorant, 3) ridiculous.
What a joke this is from my perspective! Players wearing your tags treat me like crap for 7 months over and over and I'm the bad guy for suggesting you're not nice. Funny.
Who knew you were both such forces for good and just collections of happy, fun players out to have a good time!
If you were offended by my comments I am truly sorry to have caused that. Perhaps my inflammatory words were a bit over the top.
My point about experiencing both alliances, though overstated, is none the less accurate.
Both have shown me time and again they are to be avoided----not my fault.
If many neutrals can agree that they have had both good and bad expieriences with both sides. Yet you say you have been playing for 7 months and only had bad times. Then a couple of things that might be the problem.
1. You need to look in the mirror. Maybe you are the source of the problems as it seems to be everyone you meet. Over 600 people between the 2 allies.
2. You are very emo and need to cut yourself to be happy.
3. You are rping some kind of emo kid that thinks everyone hates him
Regardless. Both sides have good, both sides have bad. And same goes for the neutrals.
Unfortunately the non-aligned of lionna have no choice but to ALWAYS judge first by the alliance tag. You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
alright i am tired of you *** holes that just read forums and form your opinions... u have not been on this **** server long enough to know either alliance, you cannot judge either side by what u read on forums, they tell nothing except the side of those who post...
You my friend are ignorant, there are people in EACH alliance that are in those ALLIANCES to have fun, u have fun RPing, i have no problem with it, you want to stay out of the Invin/Mirage/Chaos war, GREAT more power to ya, play the game how you want to...
Sorry to say--I'll probably never speak to a chaos or invinc member long enough find out if this one person is a good guy.
wow, just wow, complete IGNORANCE... have not seen so much IGNORANCE in one person... ur worse than even the worse of chaos/mirage/invin, ur much worse...
Me, im a nice guy, anyone that has talked to me will tell you that, i normally say hi to invin members if i see them in town, they usually dont respond but w/e thats how they play the game... i always say GF after i get rolled no matter if its a "invin zerg" or just Voo coming in to say "Hi, thanks for playing l2 you give me free pvp points"
Im reading my post, and your post over and i cant stress enough to the people that read these forums not to listen to this guy... he knows nothing! in my interactions with people from invin, most are like me, they play the game in their alliance because they want the pvp fun, we say GF every time and move on... some are [censored], but w/e u have them everywhere...
i dont know what ally your in but i can assure u someone has cheated in ur ally, one way or another THEY HAVE CHEATED...
Do i think im a badass for being in chaos? no, im already a badass, chaos just adds to it ^^
I agree with you that the poor sod is a little ignorant....but all the profanity didn't really help your cause in proving him wrong 0.o
Drakk, the reason that our overzealous friend here is quite correct in so naming you though is evident in your own admittion that you'd not talk to anyone with a Chaos or Inv tag long enough to get to know them. Rather like not talking to Americans because you heard they were loud and obnoxious, or not talking to the French because they're rude....Marcus is quite correct in saying that such broad statements are most usually far from the truth....it's the downfall of most absolutes, by which I mean there are always shades of gray. Some members of both groups are probably just shy of the devil incarnate...some members of both groups might well be the the world's very salvation...the vast majority of them are something in between.
Something you might want to consider too before stretching out your character list in proud display, and in the next breathe calling everyone from Chaos and Inv cheaters is how long you've been in the game....and how you got to where you are.
honestly i was very vulgar, but for one reason... i posted nicely on another topic, but i said some things that the GM didnt like i guess and so he/she delete the post, so i left the things out i thought made the GM delete the post and just opened a can of whoopass on the tool...
You don't play on lionna 6 weeks without understanding in-game that both choas and invinc will treat you like crap.
yea, so u been playing for 7months but it took u 6 weeks to figure out that all Chaos and Invin are *** holes... sooo lemme get this straight, in 6 weeks you raised a character (completely legit) up to atleast 40, and had enough interactions with both allys to figure out we are [censored]?? sorry it does not happen that way... if u are 100% legit, it takes atleast 3months to figure out we suck... thakns have a nice day...
NEVAH!!! See...the other boards are my places for being obnoxious and silly. I'm adopting the official boards for my more serious side and thoughtful side. Which means you won't be seeing me much here anyway, so don't worry. :p
NEVAH!!! See...the other boards are my places for being obnoxious and silly. I'm adopting the official boards for my more serious side and thoughtful side. Which means you won't be seeing me much here anyway, so don't worry. :p
These boards are ****ed more then TL does to Invin boards
nah, i disagree, truelies manipulates words out of ur posts,
Example: I LOVE TO HATE TRUELIES. After TL sees it: I LOVE TO TRUELIES. then he posts "wow your wording sucks but i love you too"
****.. ur more serious side? u wont hit double digits on these boards :)
nah, i disagree, truelies manipulates words out of ur posts,
Example: I LOVE TO HATE TRUELIES. After TL sees it: I LOVE TO TRUELIES. then he posts "wow your wording sucks but i love you too"
****.. ur more serious side? u wont hit double digits on these boards :)
If you ever wanna see TL eat his words you need to look quick. The second someone writes something that proves he is wrong on a subject its deleted
You guys are having a blast bashing Drakkos silly. Of course, not everyone in Chaos and Invincible are griefers and cheaters, BUT....
A few weeks ago, someone in Invincible decided they wanted to screw with some of the neutrals. So, they ran around training and attacking us. When he got killed, he claimed HE had been attacked by the neutrals and tried to start wars. What happened to him? Well, yep, he's still in Invincible.
And there's the problem. When you have someone being a jerk you don't boot them from your alliance or do anything about it. You back him up. Invincible started attacking the neutral alliances involved everywhere until some friends we had in the alliance got it settled down. The guy is still in Invincible, and I expect he'll try it again down the road. This is pretty representative of the experience neutral clans have with the big alliances.
But the real thing I can't get past as far as Chaos and Invincible? WelcomeBeyond, xTwoOverOnex, Beyond, DisciplesofDoom. You guys play/played beside them day after day. You accept their behavior, you aid them. You know what they're doing, and you look the other way. True, individually you aren't all ebaying and farming. But you have/had these clans in your alliances and it sends a pretty clear message about what you think of ebaying and farming (and botting).
Individually, probably the majority of your alliances are nice people that play by the rules (I certainly don't know everyone). Your leadership, however, condones bad behavior and cheating in the interest of securing dominance of the server. And that's what people hear about.
*applaud* Definitely a good start. Chaos better not become all clean and shiny though or I won't have anything to complain to Phalloidin about. What a disaster.
*applaud* Definitely a good start. Chaos better not become all clean and shiny though or I won't have anything to complain to Phalloidin about. What a disaster.
Yeah I logged in to say hi to Insomnia Clan, made a trip to my old clanhall :).. then went to arena to remember how much glads suck:p
That Quitting thing didnt really work out for me so I'm in NoFatChicks Clan on bartz now, Made myself a almost 60 necro, having fun with my old clan Wartelos <3
Chaos intentionally entices neutral clans to raid with them KNOWING our position. Then we fight the neutral clans, the neutral clan then disbands a couple months later, some remaining members join Chaos, etc. That's the cycle. It has been the cycle for over a yr... At this time RisingBlades ally is KOS by Invincible
Or said another way:
"I have figured out the enemy's master plan for recruitment, and I'm doing everything I can to make it happen."
Chaos no longer has any ties with xTwoOverOnex ( some people still have friends in that clan, but you know what i mean.).
Thank you and goodnight.
Lol Good One, The guy dosent even know what happen in is Ally, Chaos is stilla llied with 2/1 with many things they just kick them to get a 12 clan cuz big bad inv pwnd them
Lol Good One, The guy dosent even know what happen in is Ally, Chaos is stilla llied with 2/1 with many things they just kick them to get a 12 clan cuz big bad inv pwnd them
Wrong. Were not allied with 2/1 at all. We recently went red on the entire clan. We kicked cause they are a useless farmer clan at this point. The only thing Invincible can use Beyond for is bringing them to thier pvp fights. IMO you shouldn't have to bring farmer clans to pvp fights.
Also i find it funny Beyond gets Baium rings and junk LOL. THATS helping farmers haha.
Chaos no longer has any ties with xTwoOverOnex ( some people still have friends in that clan, but you know what i mean.).
Thank you and goodnight.
Lol Good One, The guy dosent even know what happen in is Ally, Chaos is stilla llied with 2/1 with many things they just kick them to get a 12 clan cuz big bad inv pwnd them
Is that why I saw Darkness PK there whole clan last week....I think they did it more then once also
Lol Good One, The guy dosent even know what happen in is Ally, Chaos is stilla llied with 2/1 with many things they just kick them to get a 12 clan cuz big bad inv pwnd them
Wrong. Were not allied with 2/1 at all. We recently went red on the entire clan. We kicked cause they are a useless farmer clan at this point. The only thing Invincible can use Beyond for is bringing them to thier pvp fights. IMO you shouldn't have to bring farmer clans to pvp fights.
Also i find it funny Beyond gets Baium rings and junk LOL. THATS helping farmers haha.
Ya know nothing about farmer, You bring them everywhere still lol
Lol Good One, The guy dosent even know what happen in is Ally, Chaos is stilla llied with 2/1 with many things they just kick them to get a 12 clan cuz big bad inv pwnd them
Wrong. Were not allied with 2/1 at all. We recently went red on the entire clan. We kicked cause they are a useless farmer clan at this point. The only thing Invincible can use Beyond for is bringing them to thier pvp fights. IMO you shouldn't have to bring farmer clans to pvp fights.
Also i find it funny Beyond gets Baium rings and junk LOL. THATS helping farmers haha.
Ya know nothing about farmer, You bring them everywhere still lol
Kar - You don't know anything except how to make people flame you on boards. You play a PW that runs away from pvp fights and gets stuck in grass. INV brings farmers everywhere and uses them to help them pvp, not Chaos anymore.
Ya know nothing about farmer, You bring them everywhere still lol
we need to post some recent screenies of Anakim/Baium camp-a-thons: 50% Beyond, 45% greeks clans, 5% other Invin. Talk about exploitative practices- somebody needs to organize labor in that alliance...
For the 7 months I've been in this game I've generally been griefed, offended, or insulted when confronted by a chaos or invincible tagged player.
I write in a post--about Inv/Chaos--that there is another side to their story (that would be the non-aligned viewpoint).....
And that makes me 1) wrong, 2) ignorant, 3) ridiculous.
What a joke this is from my perspective! Players wearing your tags treat me like crap for 7 months over and over and I'm the bad guy for suggesting you're not nice. Funny.
Who knew you were both such forces for good and just collections of happy, fun players out to have a good time!
If you were offended by my comments I am truly sorry to have caused that. Perhaps my inflammatory words were a bit over the top.
My point about experiencing both alliances, though overstated, is none the less accurate.
Both have shown me time and again they are to be avoided----not my fault.
I just find it sad that you've not had one single experience with members of either alliance that has been anything but wretched. And yes, I was also annoyed that your post made it seem that you were speaking for all "non-aligned" players when you posted your views that Chaos and Invin are all scum. I won't lie, there are complete [censored] in both alliances but it's been MY personal experience that the good people in the alliances far outweigh the bad.
Is anyone else having the problem of being beaten down by both both alliances every time they see them? I'd really like to hear from others if this is the case.
I hope your situation improves. PM me any time in game if you'd like.
I am really sad to hear of the issues you have had. I for one being a netural have nothing bad to say about Chaos/Mirage and outside of Gorillaz Invc. as a whole. I have been Brez'ed by Chaos and Invc. alike. I have hunted with both, buffed by Mirage and helped on a Quest by Chaos members. Maybe having 1 Son in Chaos and 1 in Inv. helps not sure about that.
I can say that I do NOT get involved should a fight break out. That is a sure way to get killed. Never, never has Chaos just PK me for no reason. And outside of Gorillaz No one in Invc. has PK'ed me.
I truly beleive you just meet up with some pre-pubic kids that wanted to show their stuff. I treat all players with respect until they give me reason not to. Don't sell everyone short because of the actions of a few. I can also tell you that Sandron does NOT like random PK'ing, you should PM him if a Chaos member does it. He is a stand up guy.
Just finished reading all of this for the first time after Ultra bumped it... ::phew:: long read...
Really, wake up people. Just because there's a big group of people known for being jerks, doesn't mean they all are. After switching to Lionna I did my best to avoid trouble trouble in general. Some people have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and gotten one shotted by nukers from both allies, and some people have just asked for help and gotten rezzed. But like JKoster said, a lot of neutrals keep their mouse over their BSoEs whenever Chaos or Invincible comes along. You have to ask yourself why that is, if it's not a reputation you want.
But I have been buffed by Invincible before and been killed by both Invincible and Chaos. As part of the game, they're pretty much allowed to PK/PvP whoever they want, as long as they don't verbally harass anyone. Lots of politics involved there, but you get the idea.
If Chaos or Invincible enjoy PKing people 20 - 40 levels below them, good for you. If that's what it takes for you to feel good about yourself, have fun. If Chaos or Invincible decides to KoS an ally for reasons that really aren't very serious, good for you. This is your reputation we're talking about. This is how people are going to look at you and think.
No one likes getting KoSed for stupid reasons (my opinion, sorry). But if the other ally is all people 60+ and yours has maybe three people over 70... there's really nothing to do about except wait for the other ally to learn to control their raving teenage hormones. Now if this seriously offends people, my apologies. If everyone thinks I'm wrong, and a "n00b", please correct me, and give me constructive criticism. These are just my "n00bish" opinions and views... I am allowed to do that right?
You know, the threads like this are all obsolete now. Chaos is now two allies. A chunk of Invincible went to Franz. Mirage is now working with WelcomeBeyond and DraconicBowFocus toons to defend itself from neutrals at siege. Heck, one mirage clan has even broken off to run its own ally. Times have indeed changed. Look at the last siege cycle for example. The mirage+invincible forces spent more time fighting neutrals than they did fighting Syndicate+Imperial.
The term neutral now is a little strange. Infinity is considered neutral, yet one of their clans is at war with Invincible. LagunaBlade is neutral, yet they have plenty of wars. Are ex-Inv clans like ShilienDarkfall, Guillotines, and ofDoom neutral? They generally behave neutral anyway. Almost every "neutral" has had skirmishes with various Inv or Imperial clans.
anyone that calls ofDOOM nuetral is just [censored] stupid.
only alliances that we are not at war with ATM ( and im stressing this...with niebuhr in our clan who KNOWS what he might forc araxie to do...*araxie is you read this just remember that i always love you and please, please dont cut off my manhood* ) is syn and imperial.
We are in no way nuetral.
*remembers when ofDOOM warred the server...and i killed barny and trashtalked him.
Same as it has always been. Neutral was always basically a term used to descrive a clan/alliance/person not involved in the fighting between Invincible and their main enemy, Chaos (it's had a few names but normally always the same clans).
The only difference now is the alliance name has changed. What was Chaos is now Syndicate which consists of Star (leading clan) ThaDarkness and BlueWolves. All 3 clans have had others merge with them and are only one alliance, not sure where you got "chaos is now 2 alliances" from. ofDOOM are out there doing their own thing right now and good luck to em, decent enough people.
I got in a fight with a neutral the other day on my acad. alt. He asked for buffs and then started KSing me, so next time he asked for buffs I said no. Then he got mad and called me a bot (cuz I refused to buff a KSer?) so I got mad and hit him a few times. He hiked his skirts up and ran all the way back to town. I hate it when people run when you're trying to PK them... sucky DE run speed... :p
If one of his train survived perhaps he could play one of those toons. He could take one of Damagon's I suppose but I heard he doesn't have too many remaining :(