I dont know the prices on your server but....
two thumbs up for checking before you buy!!!! (um, I wont comment on that other thread.... yes you guys know what Im talking about.)
Anyways, 24 mil looks about right. Might get a better deal if you keep looking but that price is certainly in the "average" price.
A few servers for some reason have higher prices than other servers...
Bartz is one of those servers.
Id say a decent price for a clean Emi on Bartz would be around 13-14 mil.
Has everyone lost their [bleep/deleted/censored]minds!!!?!!????
No, 24M for a +4 Emi IS NOT A GOOD PRICE. You can buy two Emis and try to get one to +4 for that price. And even if you only get one of them to +3, there isn't a great deal more damage between a +3 Emi and a +4 Emi. Take my word for it.
And no, 13 - 14M for a +0 Emi IS NOT A GOOD PRICE. You can buy an Akat and upgrade it through Mammon Blacksmith for a total cost of ~10M. You need roughly 6M for the Akat, and another 2.2M or so AA for the upgrade.
This is exactly the reason why the economies on all servers are ruined!!! Stop paying for overpriced goods that you can get for much cheaper if you'd only ignore your urge for immediate gratification and instantaneous results.
Unless you think its easy for a level 4x to farm 2.2 million ancient adena - I don't think so.
The price of Ancient Adena on gustin is 3a = 1aa (sometimes more).
7mil at luxury shop for Akat + 3x(2.2mil) = 13.6 mil
(that's 12.6 mil if ur base price for Akat is 6 mil)
I agree that a +4 isn't worth it - especially because as an archer you want to get to B grade ASAP because of the weight of shots, etc...
but these days - top C isn't the same price it used to be :p
Unless you think its easy for a level 4x to farm 2.2 million ancient adena - I don't think so.
The price of Ancient Adena on gustin is 3a = 1aa (sometimes more).
Set up a private buy shop purchasing seal stones. I do it all of the time. Even though many of the farmers are selling AA at 3a each on Devianne, you can still buy tons of Green Seal Stones for 10a each. There you go...2.2M AA for only 4.4M adena.
7mil at luxury shop for Akat + 3x(2.2mil) = 13.6 mil
(that's 12.6 mil if ur base price for Akat is 6 mil)
Again, you assume that you are paying exorbitant "market" prices for the C and D crystals, let alone the 3a for AA. You don't have to. Depending on the local tax -- and if you happen to know know a trustworthy artisan/warsmith -- you will never pay "market rates" for C and D crystals. If you don't know a trustworthy dwarf, again, try a private buy shop. You should be able to purchase D crystals for 600a and C crystals for 3000a. And now for the math:
(1075*3000)+(5375*600) +4.4M adena = the reason why most sellers are glad that everyone thinks that 13M is a good price for an Emi.
I've illumined the path, but if he wants to pay 13M for a base Emi, go for it.
I agree with SinPalabras on this one. People take the fast route so often that I can make a living by setting up buy shops for the prices I want, then selling it back at the 'market norm'. Pretty much in any situation you can save money by making something yourself rather than buying it directly. By definition buying it directly should cost more, as what they're really selling is the effort it took to make that item.
24m is ridiculous, at least on Hindemith. Clean one can be had for about 11m in Giran, so a +4 is maybe 15m or so, add SA to it and it's maybe 17m. Emi+3/CS is usually around 15m.
Unless you think its easy for a level 4x to farm 2.2 million ancient adena - I don't think so.
The price of Ancient Adena on gustin is 3a = 1aa (sometimes more).
Set up a private buy shop purchasing seal stones. I do it all of the time. Even though many of the farmers are selling AA at 3a each on Devianne, you can still buy tons of Green Seal Stones for 10a each. There you go...2.2M AA for only 4.4M adena.
7mil at luxury shop for Akat + 3x(2.2mil) = 13.6 mil
(that's 12.6 mil if ur base price for Akat is 6 mil)
Again, you assume that you are paying exorbitant "market" prices for the C and D crystals, let alone the 3a for AA. You don't have to. Depending on the local tax -- and if you happen to know know a trustworthy artisan/warsmith -- you will never pay "market rates" for C and D crystals. If you don't know a trustworthy dwarf, again, try a private buy shop. You should be able to purchase D crystals for 600a and C crystals for 3000a. And now for the math:
(1075*3000)+(5375*600) +4.4M adena = the reason why most sellers are glad that everyone thinks that 13M is a good price for an Emi.
I've illumined the path, but if he wants to pay 13M for a base Emi, go for it.
I 100% agree, alot of people are too impatient, so they power level then pay crazy prices for gear that sometimes would cost them half as much if they put some thought into it.
Another problem is alot of people havent learnt about the ecomony in this game until mid 40's and 99% of the time, new players get burnt severly because of it.
Knowing what i know now, i would of started to farm mats for my next grade tier of items half way between grades for example, start farming Mats at lvl 30 to prepare for 40, start farming mats again at 45 - 46 to prepare for 52, start farming mats again at 57 - 58 to prepare for 61 and so on and so on.
Use the same method that SinPalabras has pointed out here, when your working or sleeping, set up buy shops for the prices you want, over time you will have the items you need and if you do it on a constant basis, you will have more then you need.
Problem like anything in life, is alot of people are impatient and want things NOW. Thats alot of peoples downfall in this game which leads to one thing, offline adena buying.
I'm looking at a +4 Emi with Cheapshot for 24 m on Bartz? Is this a good price? Thanks
just to add my two cents.
As a archer carrying alot of arrows and alot of SS. you will go over weight very fast, and end up runing back to town for eather arrows or SS. add to that: GHP/HP/soe's, GSA pots, alicrit pots, anidote pots. you'll have no room for anthing else.
B/C/D arrows weight 4 lb's each.
A wieghts like 3, and S is like 2 or 3 (not sure on this one)
C/D SS weights 4 lb's each.
B is like 2 lb's each. (also bow of pural uses 2 Bss, where emi uses like 10)
A is eather 2 or 1, and S is 2 or 1.( not sure here)
As a HE, I can carry about 4 soe's, 10ish GSA pots, 40 HP pots, 10 GHP, and about 12k Css, with a dagger as my main weapon. and I don't have to worry about arrows. I stay out alot longer then a Archer with a bow, and your masterys don't really shine till 52 any how. (this is coming from a guy that lvled from 40-52 in 1 & 1/2 week, 72 SE ftw)
I used a +4 to 6 (I o/e mine to 6) dark screamer with focus SA, for me it was free. but a +3 on market on kain is about 10 mill or so, which isn't too bad. and a +6 is about 30-35 mil. where a +4 is 25 mil. +7 around 40-45 mil. (and this isn't top C, yet arguibly is better then top C)
On Lionna, I believe EWC's have gone over a million adena each recently. So if you make 2 bows, that's about 20 million adena according to SirPalabras at prices that you'll never find on Lionna (AA on Lionna is 4:1 normally. 3:1 if you get lucky, never 2:1). So that's 20 million, plus 8 EWC's, yep, you're over 28 million. For that price you'll have 0-2 Emi+4. Honestly though, a +3 Emi would be more cost effective, and start saving for B-grade. Oh, and if it has CS on it, that's a 2 million crystal, so 30 million total.
So, it depends on your server. On Lionna, 24 million's probably reasonable (but not great) right now.
On Lionna, I believe EWC's have gone over a million adena each recently. So if you make 2 bows, that's about 20 million adena according to SirPalabras at prices that you'll never find on Lionna (AA on Lionna is 4:1 normally. 3:1 if you get lucky, never 2:1). So that's 20 million, plus 8 EWC's, yep, you're over 28 million. For that price you'll have 0-2 Emi+4. Honestly though, a +3 Emi would be more cost effective, and start saving for B-grade. Oh, and if it has CS on it, that's a 2 million crystal, so 30 million total.
So, it depends on your server. On Lionna, 24 million's probably reasonable (but not great) right now.
Again, you are referring to the prices that everyone charges for these items. If you go through Mammon Merchant, you won't pay 1M for EWC. Planning ahead and setting up buy shops for the blank scrolls are almost always the way to go if you need enchant scrolls. I have an overenchant business and I wouldn't be able to afford the overhead and keep my prices low if I bought my scrolls from other players at their asking price.
And don't get me started on leveling your own soul crystal as opposed to buying one for 1M - 2M adena. I know it takes time to do this, but it can be done.
The funny part...?
The farmers that sell you the overpriced enchants are rich in-game. The farmers that sell you the overpriced Soul Crystals are rich in-game. The farmers that have excess inventories of AA selling for 3 times the value are rich in-game. Most of the folks that routinely sell Emi's for 13M are probably also rich in-game. Which method do you think they would choose to get an Emi or a Soul Crystal or a Weapon Enchant?
SinPalabras, just go to the everyone's favourite site for drops (l2wharehouse) and check the prices on other servers.
I can guarantee you aren't playing on Gustin - if you are, take a stroll in Giran and look at recent prices. It's changed a lot.
Buy shops for GSS are at 12 and blank scrolls have been going for 3k (yes in buy shops).
I understand what your saying - trust me I've played the market a lot and I never buy a weapon, always craft since C grade - but depending on the server, and if he really wants a +4, 24 mil could be good.
You are talking +3 - the original poster said +4. You fail once (and trust me I know about failing as do u I'm sure) and 24 mil isnt too bad.
But in the end - paying 24 mil for a C grade bow is insane - save money for B as everyone else has said.
The real problem is not that there are too many noobs who dont bother to do any sort of math at all, but that there are too many ebayers about. 24mil? Spend your "hard earned" adena on something productive. For 24mil you could hire/bribe a duo partner (SE/WC) and spam shots all the way to 52, where you could "earn" some more adena for B grade. I hate people who ebay.
Of course, I am not saying the OP is an ebayer, how would I know that sort of thing?
Aquaspark, you're right, I'm not on Gustin. The sad reality is that most of the prices that you see are a reflection of the supply & demand for purchased adena, and not other normal market conditions. There is no reason why anyone should pay 13M for a top C weapon in the age of Seven Signs, the Manor System, etc., etc., on any server. It's ridiculous... I can't endorse it, and I won't encourage it.
Well unfortunantly its the price peopel are strying to sell them for. They basically take advantage of the people who are not familiar with all the ways to save money. Does EVERYONE on every server know that you can open a buy shop for crystals/seal stones, buy a weapon at luxury shop, upgrade at mammon and buy your own Enchants??????
I think not. In fact Im certain of it.
The problem is, people will buy these items at these prices. Why? Because they are 1) ignorant 2) lazy 3) dont care about money. A big portion of people fall into those 3 categories. So if people will buy them at these prices, then people who want to save money and dont know how have to buy them at those prices.
I dont think the items are overpriced.... if you think about it, the extra few mils its going to cost you... your basically paying for the work you dont have to do. Not everyone has the time, patience or know-how to craft stuff dirt cheap. A clean emi bow will sell for 13-14 mil if its the only one in town. And if people see it sellign at 13-14 mil, they will sel theirs at the same price.... viscious circle.
Well unfortunantly its the price peopel are strying to sell them for. They basically take advantage of the people who are not familiar with all the ways to save money. Does EVERYONE on every server know that you can open a buy shop for crystals/seal stones, buy a weapon at luxury shop, upgrade at mammon and buy your own Enchants??????
I think not. In fact Im certain of it.
The problem is, people will buy these items at these prices. Why? Because they are 1) ignorant 2) lazy 3) dont care about money. A big portion of people fall into those 3 categories. So if people will buy them at these prices, then people who want to save money and dont know how have to buy them at those prices.
Save money? In my experience a person can't even earn millions of adena if they are that clueless. It is because so many have enormous sums of adena at early levels, and yet no practical knowledge of how to earn income that makes everyone suspicious. And rightfully so. It is nearly impossible to have zero market savvy yet amass millions of adena, unless you are one lucky individual. Let's cut to the chase, those of us who play this game legit know full well that you cannot earn that type of adena and be ignorant. Lazy, yes. Cheats, absolutely. But not ignorant. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Pardon the pun.
Well unfortunantly its the price peopel are strying to sell them for. They basically take advantage of the people who are not familiar with all the ways to save money. Does EVERYONE on every server know that you can open a buy shop for crystals/seal stones, buy a weapon at luxury shop, upgrade at mammon and buy your own Enchants??????
I think not. In fact Im certain of it.
The problem is, people will buy these items at these prices. Why? Because they are 1) ignorant 2) lazy 3) dont care about money. A big portion of people fall into those 3 categories. So if people will buy them at these prices, then people who want to save money and dont know how have to buy them at those prices.
Save money? In my experience a person can't even earn millions of adena if they are that clueless. It is because so many have enormous sums of adena at early levels, and yet no practical knowledge of how to earn income that makes everyone suspicious. And rightfully so. It is nearly impossible to have zero market savvy yet amass millions of adena, unless you are one lucky individual. Let's cut to the chase, those of us who play this game legit know full well that you cannot earn that type of adena and be ignorant. Lazy, yes. Cheats, absolutely. But not ignorant. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Pardon the pun.
I do agree with you to some degree. I agree that in general all legit/non scrammer players must know the market and the game in order to amass large amounts of adena. Unfortunatly not everyone is legit. Im not saying the OP has questionable sources of income, but according to what your saying, the OP should be "smart enough" to craft it on his own and aready know all about luxary shop and mammon. Well if he did know all of this, hed already have claculated how much he could of got the emi bow by himself and wouldnt be posting here. No I wont go into "how come you have adena to spend and dont know the game" discussion.
However, there is a few ways people can ammass large amounts of adena without knowing anything about crafting/seal stones/AA/mamon.
1) The obvious, buying it
2) scamming
3) a **** good friend
4) Events
Yes you herd it right... events.
Thats how I made my capital $ that I used to play market and craft with.
Just to give you an example (this was in a thread a month or so back) someone said something along the lies of: "I played alot during the last pumkin event and I got alot of nectars (I think he mentioned he bought some too). And I made quite a few large punmkins and got lots of L2 Day scrolls. Are they worth anything? or should i use em? this is what I have: (he listed what he had)."
He was a new player, and probably had a vague understanding of (blah blah repeat of what I said before)
Anyways, he was on my server, so I roughly calculated what his L2Day scrolls were worth based on what I sold mine for....
The guy had 40 mil worth of them
So when you say
It is nearly impossible to have zero market savvy yet amass millions of adena, unless you are one lucky individual.
Well unfortunantly its the price peopel are strying to sell them for. They basically take advantage of the people who are not familiar with all the ways to save money. Does EVERYONE on every server know that you can open a buy shop for crystals/seal stones, buy a weapon at luxury shop, upgrade at mammon and buy your own Enchants??????
I think not. In fact Im certain of it.
The problem is, people will buy these items at these prices. Why? Because they are 1) ignorant 2) lazy 3) dont care about money. A big portion of people fall into those 3 categories. So if people will buy them at these prices, then people who want to save money and dont know how have to buy them at those prices.
Save money? In my experience a person can't even earn millions of adena if they are that clueless. It is because so many have enormous sums of adena at early levels, and yet no practical knowledge of how to earn income that makes everyone suspicious. And rightfully so. It is nearly impossible to have zero market savvy yet amass millions of adena, unless you are one lucky individual. Let's cut to the chase, those of us who play this game legit know full well that you cannot earn that type of adena and be ignorant. Lazy, yes. Cheats, absolutely. But not ignorant. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Pardon the pun.
I'm in a 100% agreement here, I'm 100% leget on kain.
I've litterally had gear given to me from a friend cause he quit his PW, and he handed me stuff to help me out on the server, I'm more greatfull to him then any one can imajiion.
He made playing kain worth it and fun.
I am lazy, perhaps a bit ignorent about our market..but I'm surely do give a crap about my money!!
Yeah I rarely play the market. I didn't even relize that mammon made upgrading to top C so cheap. I've been generating money the hard way. Hunting and selling the drops at inflated prices. I've done the lowbie scavs spoiling lvl 1 mat recipes, that netted me some of my first million. I've done the Spoiling varnish and bone and that has been pretty lucrative. I know now the cheapest way to get top C weapon though so thanks to this thread. Now I just need 2.2 mil AA and to find that pesky mammon.
Has everyone lost their [bleep/deleted/censored]minds!!!?!!????
No, 24M for a +4 Emi IS NOT A GOOD PRICE. You can buy two Emis and try to get one to +4 for that price. And even if you only get one of them to +3, there isn't a great deal more damage between a +3 Emi and a +4 Emi. Take my word for it.
And no, 13 - 14M for a +0 Emi IS NOT A GOOD PRICE. You can buy an Akat and upgrade it through Mammon Blacksmith for a total cost of ~10M. You need roughly 6M for the Akat, and another 2.2M or so AA for the upgrade.
This is exactly the reason why the economies on all servers are ruined!!! Stop paying for overpriced goods that you can get for much cheaper if you'd only ignore your urge for immediate gratification and instantaneous results.
/end rant
8 ewc's=8 mil so already you are wrong. Emi bow has gone up in price because AA has gone up in price. No longer is it cheap to buy mid c grade and upgrade it via mamoon. 2.2 million aa=8 million adena nowadays. I will craft an emi from time to time but overall I dont even bother because the margins arent as good. I predict top c grade will go up even more in the near future since crafting one also requires a lot of animal bone.
You could try buying the aa for cheaper but at least on bartz all the buy shops are paying close to 3a so I dont know how one could possibly get someone to sell at 2a each. Anyway, this person is right in saying that +4 emi is a waste and just wait till b grade before going hardcore.