Lvl 77 SwordMuse songs

Is there any SwM out there that has got their lvl 77 songs? Are them any good?

As a spellsinger, my mp regen went from 21-22 (NM set + buffs with -8 men) to 26-27ish with song of Meditation... which is pretty decent. Thats roughly what I get from ESs lvl3 mp regen pony buff.

Its hard to tell exactly how much a skill costs what with mp regen making it hard... so I dunno how much it lowers mp use by.

The difference was noticeable with and without meditation for me anways.

How about the Song of Renewal? It is not all too clear to me what the difference is between these two songs, they seem to have very similar usage:

Song of Meditation : Temporarily increases party members' MP regeneration rate and decreases MP consumption rate when using a magic skill

Song of Renewal : Temporarily decreases party members' MP consumption and re-use time while using physical/magic skills.

I guess I could use them both and have very nice mp management?

if you have renewal/meditation and do anything with a mage group the change in mp is significant. you regen more, use less mp per spell and on top of that reuse-timers of spells are shortened. they might sound like they have little benefit, but in reality its a very strong combo which makes a huge difference for any full mage group and is worthy to use under certain circumstances in other group setups, too.

Whan you have both songs running, EE and SE can recharge themselves for extra mp also making mp management really easy.

from my estimates:

MP regen rate is increased 30% (maybe 25%) with Meditation

MP Usage is lowered by roughly 10% from Meditation and roughly 5% from Renewal. Renewal lowers MP use for BOTH physical and magic whereas Meditation ONLY lowere MP usage on magic.

Renewal also significantly lowers Re-use timer on BOTH magic and physical.

Champion (lvl 78 song) is said to lower MP usage by 20% on physical ONLY and it lowers Re-use timer on physical ONLY.

ALL songs stack

Thank you very much for your replies. I'm guessing I will have to find myself a nice nuker clan now, heh.