Server Rollback?

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I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia
lol, I just started this past weekend.....would that mean my characters don't exsist anymore???

LMAO!!
yea...if the timeline is before your starting time...you wont have a toon in the game
Why assume? Wait for word
Let's see what actually happened first before spreading tales. Until someone makes an official statement then it's just 50/50 guess.

Why assume? Wait for word



Was just asking a question...not assuming anything yet, but certainly worried. So back to my original question? Suggestions?
If this is true I'm going to laugh if someone petitions for the 1 bil they ebayed to be reimbursed.

If this is true I'm going to laugh if someone petitions for the 1 bil they ebayed to be reimbursed.



You know they will...but I bet they don't have a screenshot of the money on their account.

So did you have a suggestion or what?
NC never refunds items ever.
I know this is not true. I had a friend who's weapon blew at +3...screenshot...and he got it replaced.

Other suggestions?

Delia
Suggestions about?

Suggestions about?



Lol, reread my original post...Last sentence.
Well, i wouldnt mind if they rolled it back as I learned alot since the weekend.
Wait for servers to go up, login, check inventory.

Wait for servers to go up, login, check inventory.



Ok leave my thread, you officially being an obvious jerk.

Delia
I'm not being a jerk but I'm just trying to say speculation now is doing nothing but worry you. I think my suggestion is sound.
Chances are that NC's servers backup all information every hour or so (as every other game that exists does). While there could be a rollback, I doubt it would ever be as severe as a few days.

I'm not being a jerk but I'm just trying to say speculation now is doing nothing but worry you. I think my suggestion is sound.



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I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



Fine with me.. I had more xp several days ago :confused:
NCsoft would have to be THE MOST NUB company on the planet if they had to roll back to character backups that were "a few days old". I would cancel all my accounts straight away if they did this.

That's how sure I am that they seriously cannot be, THAT NUB. Thanks

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Rofl, reminds me of my gf when she gets mad.


I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



Fine with me.. I had more xp several days ago :confused:



LOL me2 me2 lost 9% at lv 76 ouch

NCsoft would have to be THE MOST NUB company on the planet if they had to roll back to character backups that were "a few days old". I would cancel all my accounts straight away if they did this.

That's how sure I am that they seriously cannot be, THAT NUB. Thanks



I hope you're right. I'm not convinced though seems a back-up that large would take time and a lot of space.

If it does get rolled off, then what?

Delia



I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



Fine with me.. I had more xp several days ago :confused:



LOL me2 me2 lost 9% at lv 76 ouch



Aden? ;)

I lost 10% but I'm only 74. Spent a good party of Sunday getting that back.

I hope you're right. I'm not convinced though seems a back-up that large would take time and a lot of space.



Actually, since they only have to backup character data (and a few other things such as clans, castle status, etc.) an automated hourly backup is quite feasible and pretty much expected in a game like this.
I hope there is a rollback. I blew up my Forgotten blade going to +6


I hope you're right. I'm not convinced though seems a back-up that large would take time and a lot of space.



Actually, since they only have to backup character data (and a few other things such as clans, castle status, etc.) an automated hourly backup is quite feasible and pretty much expected in a game like this.



Let's hope so. Maybe it'll only be an hour or two...

Delia
has this server roll back ever happened before? i ask this as i've only started playing 3 months ago.

has this server roll back ever happened before? i ask this as i've only started playing 3 months ago.



nope... not at all.
Good, I leveled, ****it. :mad:
OMG

If it get rollback, try imagine what gonna heppen with plp whos by adena from seller... hahahahahahahhahahahaha

Try imagine plp whos by armor and weapon... Try imagine one weeke roll back.. or more chacotics...1 month hahahahahaha

Die bots... die sellers... die plp whos buy adena, set, weapon, and char... hahahahahahahaha

I will open champagne... all what i did durind the rollback time, i can make again... but plp whos buy adena cant do the same.. they will w8 an lose.. hahahahahahahaha

Good, I leveled, ****it. :mad:



It's very possible, Sir E., that this whole "kafuffle" is because they don't want you to lvl and they are trying to figure out how to roll back only you.

Just saying. Not to be paranoid or anything. Look at me... I haven't hit 75 yet. SOMEONE must be making that happen. :p
I lvled too! :( It was a very very hard lvl to make, and I thought my brain was gonna pop because I lvled for too long in one sitting but I wanted new skillz!

WTB MY LIFE BACK!

I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



I do believe they do backups every few minutes not days. If it is days I would guess that means the initial backup server took a crapper as well as the main servers. If it is dealing with a exploit liek stated in teh server down thread they can work on those that took advantage of it and not need to do a major backup.


I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



I do believe they do backups every few minutes not days. If it is days I would guess that means the initial backup server took a crapper as well as the main servers. If it is dealing with a exploit liek stated in teh server down thread they can work on those that took advantage of it and not need to do a major backup.



I hope you're right. I can't imagine how much havoc a several day rollback would cause for the legit folks much less the non-legit.

Delia
I hope they do rollback...if its at just the right time then I'll be able to wipe the 100k+ karma I added to my wizard.

Lets just say that beers and bots in the catas dont mix.
>< the only time I realy put in some work on lvling, and now I have to do it again. No bigie And i get my money back for spending it on baby dragon stuff.

I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



ummm, I don't know any computer software company that does not do daily backups (backups ever 8 hours). The system does not have to be taken down to do a back up. I would think that backups, if we would call what NCSoft does a back up, would be every day at 6pm (manor reset time) and then 12 hours later at the least.

an expolit, as this current situation has been deamed, would result in someone knowing a way to do something that is not normal game play. (maybe NCSoft found out how bots connect to their servers? we can dream) but anyway, NCSoft found evidence that a group of players (let's say professional players - b/c I don't like them) were doing something that they shouldn't be doing. NCSoft finds it a big deal and pulls the plug to look at all of the instances of an exploit and to stop the transfer of waht ever value was going on. Then locks the accounts.

there shouldn't be a roll back. any accounts responsible will be locked. so instead of worrying about a roll back, or if some mob droped a nm helm and we didn't get to get it off of the ground before the server crashed, or if we died who is going to pick up what ever I droped and let's start worrying about what to do if our accounts accidently get locked hehe.

seriously, stop worrying about a roll back
I believe the most they've ever rolled back has been a few minutes.
You all think its going to be more than a day?


I understand (2nd hand information) that there may be a rollback to the previous server back-up, which could be serveral days old.

I crafted a very expensive Arcana Mace successfully on Saturday evening. (I did screenshot it).

How should I proceed should this be nullified (60% craft) by a rollback?

Delia



ummm, I don't know any computer software company that does not do daily backups (backups ever 8 hours). The system does not have to be taken down to do a back up. I would think that backups, if we would call what NCSoft does a back up, would be every day at 6pm (manor reset time) and then 12 hours later at the least.

an expolit, as this current situation has been deamed, would result in someone knowing a way to do something that is not normal game play. (maybe NCSoft found out how bots connect to their servers? we can dream) but anyway, NCSoft found evidence that a group of players (let's say professional players - b/c I don't like them) were doing something that they shouldn't be doing. NCSoft finds it a big deal and pulls the plug to look at all of the instances of an exploit and to stop the transfer of waht ever value was going on. Then locks the accounts.

there shouldn't be a roll back. any accounts responsible will be locked. so instead of worrying about a roll back, or if some mob droped a nm helm and we didn't get to get it off of the ground before the server crashed, or if we died who is going to pick up what ever I droped and let's start worrying about what to do if our accounts accidently get locked hehe.

seriously, stop worrying about a roll back



I suspect you're correct...I was reacting to what I heard which was a roll back until Friday or some such. Regardless I was really just looking for suggestions as to how to proceed should it occur, however unlikely.

Delia

I hope they do rollback...if its at just the right time then I'll be able to wipe the 100k+ karma I added to my wizard.

Lets just say that beers and bots in the catas dont mix.




Lol looking at this post made me think.

Think about all of the bots that can't get in game and bot away, think about how muh money they are loseing at this time.
I think the reality is you're asking for an official answer and nobody here but GMs can give it to you. You're gonna hear a lot of speculation, some of it serious and some of it not.

I would go on the assumption that if there is a rollback, and if it predates your craft, you will have to reattempt your craft. I have lost successful over-enchants in rollbacks, and levels too.

NCSoft replaces gear only when an error on their side (such as an improper failed enchant) occurs. They dont accept responsibility for lost gear and experience in other circumstances.
They don't have to be FULL back ups, they surely do incremental or differential back ups.. I mean come on. Its not like it's complicated.
The servers HAVE rolled back before, yes. But it was like.. a 5 minute roll-back, all the way back in C1. The server would crash shortly after C1 was released (people who were around will remember, the servers crashed about every 5 minutes, same with C2) and you would move back to the spot you were at about 2-5 minutes. Don't remember if anything was missing though, pretty sure your character would just be moved but if you'd acquired anything prior, it was all still there.

The servers HAVE rolled back before, yes. But it was like.. a 5 minute roll-back, all the way back in C1. The server would crash shortly after C1 was released (people who were around will remember, the servers crashed about every 5 minutes, same with C2) and you would move back to the spot you were at about 2-5 minutes. Don't remember if anything was missing though, pretty sure your character would just be moved but if you'd acquired anything prior, it was all still there.



I seem to remember the same in C1 / 2.

I don't remember any long ones as you say, I just don't know with this particular issue.

I think the reality is you're asking for an official answer and nobody here but GMs can give it to you. You're gonna hear a lot of speculation, some of it serious and some of it not.

I would go on the assumption that if there is a rollback, and if it predates your craft, you will have to reattempt your craft. I have lost successful over-enchants in rollbacks, and levels too.

NCSoft replaces gear only when an error on their side (such as an improper failed enchant) occurs. They dont accept responsibility for lost gear and experience in other circumstances.



I wasn't really expecting an "official" answer, simply what folks thought I should try to do if I were in that situation. I guess I'll just figure it out when I get there and hopefully the rollback will be short enough that my craft won't be impacted. If it is, I guess I'll deal with it them through the official channels.

Delia
My guess is a typical rollback (like someone said, a few minutes). They are probably trying to undo whatever was done by the exploit. I have no idea what kind of exploit it was but let's say it was an OE one. They are probably trying to remove all of the affected gear.
Maybe they will undo the Glaive I blew up this morning before going to work...

But then again if they do that they might rollback far enough to undo the Carnage Bow I crafted last night.

I sure hope there is no rollback :eek:

OMG I just realized they might rollback over the end of that insanely long quest in the Forest of the Dead that I just finished...

Do you think we will get our life back if they roll back far enough?
If it was a roll back they would have gone and done it already.

If it was a roll back they would have gone and done it already.



I believe the problem must have been big enough that it's not simply a rollback, but much more.

Delia
I noticed my +5 cursed maingauche is +0 cursed maingauche before the server down. I think some bug get in to the system.

I noticed my +5 cursed maingauche is +0 cursed maingauche before the server down. I think some bug get in to the system.



I noticed once of character in shop re-equipped a weapon which hadn't been equipped in many hours....

I also heard our clans alliance disolved just prior...

So no telling how much info got corrupted.

DP

NC never refunds items ever.

Refunded my brez after I died in town after using return from mobs.
Today problem had began lot time ago. When bots, sellers and cheats started to invader the server, and nothing to stoped it was doing.

How can have so many non official Lineage in internet? How can have so many sellers? Why everybody see bot in game, but no Gm see it?

Today we have the big collapse. Like a cancer, our game brothers (bot, sellers and cheats) puted Lineage Game in coma, and like in a cancer situation it is very sad.

I hope NCsoft learn someting with it, and put GM in Game, and stop this plp... because i LOVE LINEAGE...
woot that would mean id get back a lot of blown weaps!!!
Well thanks for all the responses...I'll see what you folks have to say tomorrow morning...

Here's hoping the servers are up and that the rollback is very minimal...

Otherwise...many angry customers...

DeliaPrescot :o
**New information**

Last Server Backup Date: May 28th, 2004

The server will be completly wiped of all information, due to the unstable nature of our last backup date. Since we belive that most players don't even have a character from this time we thought it would be much better to start all over. There will only be 4 servers now to maximize server populations. There will also be one european server. So a total of 5 servers to choose from. Those with active accounts will be compensated for however months they played by recieving that many free months in return.

Even though this has been a large setback we have developed a new method that will make it impossible for anything else besides 'original L2 client' to connect to the servers. Thus any third party programs can't be used, EVER!!! We are also implementing a new rule where you can not have more than 2 accounts. We realize that this may impact multi boxers but this will incourage more active support classes. We do understand however that many find having an extra account benificial for selling while hunting, or using their own personal buffer when none are available. If you had more than 2 accounts, you will choose the 2 you wish to keep and the months payed on the extra accounts will be added to the accounts you choose to keep.

Also at this time we are going to block all IPs from countries that have their own version of Lineage II.

We look forward to having a great launch brand new with populated servers for C5! We are also very pleased to be able to offer you a "cheat free" gaming enviroment! At this time we are also making the game more NA friendly by making exp 2x and drops 4x. Also spoil rate will be 5x the current rate.

We are sorry for any inconvienence this has caused, and we are happy that you chose Lineage II.

**New information**

Last Server Backup Date: May 28th, 2004

The server will be completly wiped of all information, due to the unstable nature of our last backup date. Since we belive that most players don't even have a character from this time we thought it would be much better to start all over. There will only be 4 servers now to maximize server populations. There will also be one european server. So a total of 5 servers to choose from. Those with active accounts will be compensated for however months they played by recieving that many free months in return.

Even though this has been a large setback we have developed a new method that will make it impossible for anything else besides 'original L2 client' to connect to the servers. Thus any third party programs can't be used, EVER!!! We are also implementing a new rule where you can not have more than 2 accounts. We realize that this may impact multi boxers but this will incourage more active support classes. We do understand however that many find having an extra account benificial for selling while hunting, or using their own personal buffer when none are available. If you had more than 2 accounts, you will choose the 2 you wish to keep and the months payed on the extra accounts will be added to the accounts you choose to keep.

We look forward to having a great launch brand new with populated servers for C5! We are also very pleased to be able to offer you a "cheat free" gaming enviroment! At this time we are also making the game more NA friendly by making exp 2x and drops 4x. Also spoil rate will be 5x the current rate.

We are sorry for any inconvienence this has caused, and we are happy that you chose Lineage II.



Lol...

Not really funny, but lol...

DP
Actually if they did that, the game might be better...it would just suck for all those that actually spent all the time getting where they were currently...lol.
roll back? n/p

1 month of 2x XP/Drop rates please :)
Several days rollback ?
my dwarf made over 12 mill this weekend...

And then this new so called no reimbursement policy

**New information**

Last Server Backup Date: May 28th, 2004

The server will be completly wiped of all information, due to the unstable nature of our last backup date. Since we belive that most players don't even have a character from this time we thought it would be much better to start all over. There will only be 4 servers now to maximize server populations. There will also be one european server. So a total of 5 servers to choose from. Those with active accounts will be compensated for however months they played by recieving that many free months in return.

Even though this has been a large setback we have developed a new method that will make it impossible for anything else besides 'original L2 client' to connect to the servers. Thus any third party programs can't be used, EVER!!! We are also implementing a new rule where you can not have more than 2 accounts. We realize that this may impact multi boxers but this will incourage more active support classes. We do understand however that many find having an extra account benificial for selling while hunting, or using their own personal buffer when none are available. If you had more than 2 accounts, you will choose the 2 you wish to keep and the months payed on the extra accounts will be added to the accounts you choose to keep.

Also at this time we are going to block all IPs from countries that have their own version of Lineage II.

We look forward to having a great launch brand new with populated servers for C5! We are also very pleased to be able to offer you a "cheat free" gaming enviroment! At this time we are also making the game more NA friendly by making exp 2x and drops 4x. Also spoil rate will be 5x the current rate.

We are sorry for any inconvienence this has caused, and we are happy that you chose Lineage II.



Everybody is aware that this would be the ONLY way to save Lineage from death, except NC soft maybe ...

Several days rollback ?
my dwarf made over 12 mill this weekend...

And then this new so called no reimbursement policy

5 min rollback

And rollback would hurt castle sieges more than anything ;)

All that effort and planning - X.x
5 Minute roll back guys, no reimbursment. Check the stickied threads for M's update.