why why why +4 for sa duals

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I am going nuts...I blew my first c grade duals and it sucked. I had to spend another small fortune and got them the second time.

Now I had to OE my b grade duals. I clicked on the enchant and I knew it would fail. Sure enough they blew and I wasnt even suprised at all I was expecting it.

It is so frustrating...I dont know, I just had to vent. I can handle one blow but losing my C grade duals then my B grade duals right away I mean how am I supposed to survive...worst is I have 6 soul crystals lvl 9-10 in my warehouse and no use for them sigh.
yep so agree thats why i rerollen to somethen i dono yet

I am going nuts...I blew my first c grade duals and it sucked. I had to spend another small fortune and got them the second time.

Now I had to OE my b grade duals. I clicked on the enchant and I knew it would fail. Sure enough they blew and I wasnt even suprised at all I was expecting it.

It is so frustrating...I dont know, I just had to vent. I can handle one blow but losing my C grade duals then my B grade duals right away I mean how am I supposed to survive...worst is I have 6 soul crystals lvl 9-10 in my warehouse and no use for them sigh.



Yea it sucks big time blown a SLS* SLS + 4 my self ...
But i guess if we look on the bright side we have...
Can have SA on Agrade weapons with out paying 130.000.000 adena for a crystal.
We can get Agrade weapons with out trying the dreaded 60% recipes when making them.
I think that over weigh that we can blow our weapon... still sucks i know; but i guess that is what the korean DEV team was thinking about.


But i guess if we look on the bright side we have...
Can have SA on Agrade weapons with out paying 130.000.000 adena for a crystal.



Personally I think that its great that duals dont need crystals to get the SA. I see so many people going nuts trying to figure out how they will be able to afford lvl 11 to 13 cystals.... because unfortunatly, a certain group controls the crystals on pretty much every server.

So please dont take the +4 SA away!
Its much less expensive to blow a few duals at higher levels than trying to find high level crystals at a insane price.

To the OP, I have the same Over enchanting luck you have :) I have been permanatly banned (by my BF) from tring to OE stuff because of my crappy luck. But even considering that, Im happy I only have to +4 my duals to get the SA.
only downside of the +4ing is less control on the sa. I want the good looking dual sls, but I would rather have +crit chance then haste
dual sls is so common..anything with crit is going to give you a lot more damage. 50 extra crit is literally 30%-35% bonus in crit chance which is huge.

Anyway, yeah the way I can figure it is that duals are about half price of normal weapons and people want to OE there stuff anyway so this works good.

Anyway I took my remaining crystals and a bunch of stuff from the event and sold it. I created 3 new b grade duals after selling ewa and crystalizing and crafting etc. I was succesful +4'ing all three :). So that means one for me and two for profit things are lookin up! Besides, nightmare*nightmare only really costs 14 mil cost the ewb's cost 12 mil which is still only 26 mil for the SA and 7 mil in b crystals if it fails so overall its still a good deal even if you blow up two and success on the third.
you can get nightmare*nightmare for cheeper then that..especially if u fail alot of c and d grade enchants :p
I don't know if I have just been lucky so far or if there is something to my madness. With my main Sps I have failed misserably at enchanting 1 for 5 then I stopped. A few weeks ago I made an alt dwarph going make a scavy. Well I decided to oe some D grade duels +7 first try. So far I am 3 for 4 on the weps I have tried to oe with the dwarph. It just seems to me dwarph's have better odds at enchanting items.
i had the same complaints before about having to +4 to get my SA...but after hearing "I failed my 2nd SOM craft,Failed BOTMT,Failed DLE"...I didnt feel too bad :P (At least you can sell the resulting crystals) And 60m for a lvl12 SA crystal isnt even an option.

you can get nightmare*nightmare for cheeper then that..especially if u fail alot of c and d grade enchants :p

I have a ton of top d grade and low c grade stuff I craft and crush and use at the luxury shop.
I failed 3 c grade weapons going to +4 before I hit a streak. It hurt me bad, but luckily I rebounded and did 2 Homu +4's then suceeded on my Tsu*Tsu going to +4.

Make sure you have something to fall back on if it fails, my 3rd attempt stopped me from doing any kind of OE for about 2 weeks.
I dont care who you are, blowing up A grade duals sucks, regardless if its easier then getting crystals.
It's not bad, but it's still rediculious..

there people the enchant away and have never blown on attempts to +4 (hell theres lots of people that thought that duals were safe to +4)...


Frankly 4 Sets of Dual Keshes later, i still don't have a +4 Set.... and i've officially given up on trying because it's just way to expensive.

You blow up ONE pair of dual keshes, and you've just blown up a single stage 12 Crystal, at which point the 2nd set may be comparible to the cost of SAing any other A Grade weapon..

4 keshes is the same value as freaking stage 15 cystal at this point. USELESSly stupid
At least on Kain, OE duals is much cheaper than the stage 12 crystals. Heh, you can even buy +4 Duals for almost half the cost of a SoM and a stage 12 blue.
well for A grade, +4ing duals is ALOT cheaper then the 80 mil soul crystals >.>

well for A grade, +4ing duals is ALOT cheaper then the 80 mil soul crystals >.>


try S grade
even if you break a set you could still be paying half as much as for any other weapon
Im glad my S duals went +4 :)
150 mil for Som with acumen vs a +4 Dual keshs for 200mil+

or 80-100 mil for +0 Dual Keshes...

considering that a single kesh is 45-50mil (hell lately 52mil now)

The recipe alone for a kesh is insane..

and damascus isn't the same value or cheaper..

I am going nuts...I blew my first c grade duals and it sucked. I had to spend another small fortune and got them the second time.

Now I had to OE my b grade duals. I clicked on the enchant and I knew it would fail. Sure enough they blew and I wasnt even suprised at all I was expecting it.

It is so frustrating...I dont know, I just had to vent. I can handle one blow but losing my C grade duals then my B grade duals right away I mean how am I supposed to survive...worst is I have 6 soul crystals lvl 9-10 in my warehouse and no use for them sigh.



There are some schools of thought that believe that overenchanting duals is much easier than overenchanting anything else. I have seen (and made) more +8 through +16 duals than I have any other weapon...daggers and bows would be second on that list. I'm not saying this is an established fact that duals are easier to enchant. I'm only speaking about what I've observed and experienced over the years.

Keep trying and you will eventually make it to +4.