kesh*kesh duals make my BD what he should be IMO, huge DD, i'll take the +8% attack spd anyday over any other duals, and they look so ****! *hate useing duals of 2 diff swords, wish S duals were 2x DLE*
they do look good, but after useing sls*sls for 9 levels and how **** they look *love curved swords, so pleasing on the eyes* it took a while to get acustomed to my kesh's *lets face it, looks just don;t compare to an extra 4% atk spd*
One of the better looking swords, and a more believable sword is the Berserker Blade. And personally, I'm kind of partial to longer, straight duals. They are, for one, easier to handle. And more often than not they are much lighter than curved swords, and offer a wider range of motion. o.o
It's unfortunate that the best duals in the game (yay S grade) combine the best and worst looking weapons in the game.
Correction, the best duals in the game combine swords that cannot be found anywhere else but those duals (Infinity Wings). They are, in my opinion, awesome looking.
heh, they way mt tats were set up, and based on looks of the swords, the sls were an obvious choice for me, gogo massive atk spd ;) but hey, different strokes for different ppl right?
+4 dex +4 str - 8 con, tallum heavy, +4 or more dual kesh + dances and haste 2 potion = 684 atk spd
its not very good for pvp, but if you solo it 'hella' pwns
wait, why did i say hella? is that new fad about to start up? lol
I understand that they're slightly more practical, but they're also twenty times more ugly than Tsu*Tsus. Getting focus SA is worth the blow to style - getting a bit of PAtk isn't.
damas are....
1. ugly
2. crappy SA
3. not much more powerful, and less compared to my +6 kesh's
even if both sets of duals are +4 i'm sure the kesh set-up would beat the dama set-up
an ugly set of duals is kesh, they look like they will break with the first swing, not a whole lot to them. Who is going to +6 their kesh's? only someone that has mulitple million upon millions to spare. The atk on Kesh's is weak, and everyone can use more accuracy. 307 atk on a pair of duals at only +4 is huge, you are better off +6'ing the dama's and get the more atk out of them then waisting your time with +6 kesh's to only get close to the 307 atk dama's have. Dama's are thick and mean...
i don;t need accuracy at all, i don;t use my accuracy dance.
and i do have hundreds of millions to spare towards the cause up plusing them some more. i have seen alot more high plused kesh's than i have dama's ever
and get real man, +8 atk spd makes up for the lack of patk easily, try to compare, you can't. well, maybe i should cut u slack, maybe you don;t know that bd's prefer kesh's and glads like dama's cuz they are so gimp, is your main a glad or a BD? if not, no argument on your side
But a +6 kesh*kesh has more DPS. A %8 raise in attack speed means more chances to hit, therefore more chances to crit. Crit damage is the only damage in melee.
I understand for a thos class's that have dual masteries that either one of the other A duals is better than dual Dama's but for those class's that don't have masteries and are a DD then atk is best, +6 dama's and +6 kesh's shouldn't even be compared, I dont know what the atk on either of them at +6 is but for a class not dependent on duals dama's are best for the extra atk.
+16 TSA*SLS works for me with 344 Patk and 184 Matk and the 52 increase to critical - I have not had a chance to try Kesh*Kesh but I would be hard pressed to assume that the increase in atk speed would outweight my Patk and damage i can do with these red duals
Dam*Dam is a Crapest duels i ever seen i OUT damge it with Tsu*Tsu they are **** and Massive damage rate i think only very high enchent Kes*Kes can out damage a enchent Tsu*Tsu what use do it have to have a Atk.Spd of 1000 when you only hit for 10 damage =P
Remember, the damage you do is calculated per hit, not over time. The faster you swing the more chances you roll a critical hit. 10x10=100, but 8x12=96. So faster swings also equal more damage in the long run.
Actually, PAtk * ASpd directly reflects your DPS before criticals. Criticals, however, skew this picture, as they do so much more damage than a regular swing - at equal PAtk, to make up for a single crit you didn't do, you would have to swing 4 or 5 times extra - and I would bet that the dual Tsus have more extra crits than the Kesh*Keshs have extra swings.
Actually, PAtk * ASpd directly reflects your DPS before criticals. Criticals, however, skew this picture, as they do so much more damage than a regular swing - at equal PAtk, to make up for a single crit you didn't do, you would have to swing 4 or 5 times extra - and I would bet that the dual Tsus have more extra crits than the Kesh*Keshs have extra swings.
but the dual kesh has a lot more patk than a dual tsu. even the sual sls has more patk, so they aren't that easily comparable.
but they are a +7 Tsu*Tsu is same P.atk as Kes*Kes it's not requested to have a +15 to have same damage output
and they eat A like a insane fliping machine compare to a Tsu*Tsu +7 with use cheap B SS witch overrules with Critical damage
kesh*kesh duals make my BD what he should be IMO, huge DD, i'll take the +8% attack spd anyday over any other duals, and they look so ****! *hate useing duals of 2 diff swords, wish S duals were 2x DLE*
Dual Kesh are not the ultimate DD duals. Go overenchant some SLS*TSU and see the difference. ;)
now why sud a none duel class player use duels???????
Why non-archers use bow?
Why do D grade duals exist then, when noone has masteries for them yet?
hmm lets see D grade means 20 to 40 few skills to comprimise also D grade is like still learn level for players witch way they like to go :P
also with the bows when i see a healer with bow's or duels they have the skills for it :P called weapon mastery
kesh*kesh duals make my BD what he should be IMO, huge DD, i'll take the +8% attack spd anyday over any other duals, and they look so ****! *hate useing duals of 2 diff swords, wish S duals were 2x DLE*
Dual Kesh are not the ultimate DD duals. Go overenchant some SLS*TSU and see the difference. ;)
To make a fair comparison, you would also have to OE the kesh's to the same OE as the tsu*sls, and honestly, as a BD who has tried different types of duals with SA's kesh*kesh is the DD weapon of choice.
As for who ever said *** is too expensive, if you can't afford *** you shouldn't be able to afford dual kesh. when ur talking about that much adena for a wepaon, it generaly means you have someway of generateing adena at a semi fixed rate, i make easily 30mil+ a week selling top D Weapons while i'm not home, that buys ALOT of ***
+4 str +5 dex +tallum heavy +dances and song... by default my atk speed and atk power not to mention my critical rate is already very high. I used tsu/sls vs sls/sls same enchantment and i can easily say my atk speed guarantees me a solid stable and very hard hitting critical rate.
TSU however with the weaker patk but nice critical, i don't see all that much difference in the critical outcome, course critting up to 12 times on a mob vs similare stats against both duals.
I won't disagree that the tsu has a high critical chance, but the problem is that it's still chance. My luck is terrible, when i need that "chance" to be now, never happens.
I'm still working on making some keshes... they keep blowing up on me the moment i try to +4 them... tiss a sad brutal day.
hmm with a normaal spd potion i get a atk.speed of around 550+- have been age's sinds i used them
it's a bit hard to compare sinds i basicly a dagger dude with duels
even the "Art" work of the Keshanberk sux's ***
even a Katana looks better i mean look close to the swords of keshanerk HOW the **** is it supoce to be a sword they so long they can better be called claymore the art work of them supoce to be D or something
kesh*kesh duals make my BD what he should be IMO, huge DD, i'll take the +8% attack spd anyday over any other duals, and they look so ****! *hate useing duals of 2 diff swords, wish S duals were 2x DLE*
hehe try an extra 16% attack speed with dual kesh and tallum I can get 713 attack speed on my bd with haste 2 and zerk, no dex tats,
I use dual kesh when Im DDing and Dama Kesh for hp when Im tanking works out beutifly.
Besides the DLE Kesh are awsone looking swords. I jsut wish they would come out with DLE*DLE :/
I for being a Duelist would choose a Duel kesh over a Dam/Dam or sls/tsu any day. Having 925 atkspeed with no dex tats is insane.
I webt when I saw that the Dam/Dam got +4 acurasy SA. and the blade of the sword looks cool but the hilt is its downfall IMO. It ruins the sword.
Also prays to god that when they eventually make a DLE/DLE dual that it gets a FOCUS/CRITDAMAGE/HASTE SA combined like the HP/CP/MP SA of the DLE/Tallum :)
kesh*kesh duals make my BD what he should be IMO, huge DD, i'll take the +8% attack spd anyday over any other duals, and they look so ****! *hate useing duals of 2 diff swords, wish S duals were 2x DLE*
hehe try an extra 16% attack speed with dual kesh and tallum I can get 713 attack speed on my bd with haste 2 and zerk, no dex tats,
I use dual kesh when Im DDing and Dama Kesh for hp when Im tanking works out beutifly.
Besides the DLE Kesh are awsone looking swords. I jsut wish they would come out with DLE*DLE :/
try extra +16%? if you would have seen my screenshot or possibly botherd to read all my posts in this thread, you would know that your toon has what seems to be the exacts set up as mine, yes, i wear tallum heavy, in the SS i don;t have zerk, but with it, ya, i clear 700 atk spd just like you, so rly, there is nothing to 'try'
Atk speed and crit chance are the same improvement to combat. Atk faster = more crit chances
While the tsu/sls crits more than kesh/kesh, the damage is pretty even due to the immense difference in patk. Obviously, in pvp, the kesh/kesh will dominate due to the 20% damage modifier as well. Still, for pve, tsu/sls overenchanted will bring home more dps for weapon price. But, it's pretty simple to state that A weapons with SA > B weapons with SA for pvp.