I do laugh that Mirage is resorting to taking castles from neutrals, that itsself is sad, as innadreil has always been one of the "neutral" siege castles, and its kinda lame of Mirage to take it.
bad form Mirage, if you wanan take a castle, try and take one from us.
it was 3 signed clans against 10+ defenders
MO always wanted to have innadril so we planned a weekend for dion and innadril and got it.
as for Veansa explain why chaos showed up Full force at dion and had star parties show at innadril to have oblivion alliance a free passage 10 min before ending ?
like i stated several times before sieging is fun and free for all.
Heh ... last I checked, neutrals took Mirage castles in the past months (scuffs toe and looks innocently at the ceiling), so turn about fair play there. Can't take Dion and Gludio and then scream when Innadril is hit. So lets start coordinating to take it back ^^
well our ally only had 43 people on to defend. That was it. So we messed up on that part. Also getting hit through an unbroken castle door as a Tank kinda sucks. Zoom hacks and walker ftw I guess.
Then crit errors rigth at the inner door as we came back to recrest. It was a crazy siege. Just going to have to take it back in 2 weeks is all
Its completely different when no one knows your there. I didnt attack anyone, so how did they know the name of me and 2 other random fighters standing there, or how do you pull an npc from behind a door if you dont know its there cause its the stationary ones?
This just sounds like Mirage disassociating themselves from Inv and taking on the neutrals themselves. Sounds good.
Seigewise this server is healthier now than it has ever been.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time. Eventually this server will become known as one where legitimate players can enjoy seiges on all castles.
And I have my screenshot of GameNight in a WoA bot train so I can laugh.
you are holding the [Censored] ubering yourself over Mirage
U know where Mirage started in the past.
we had 63 people in command chat , how many did Chaos had ?
but i guess this quote owns you coming from a neutral
This just sounds like Mirage disassociating themselves from Inv and taking on the neutrals themselves. Sounds good.
Seigewise this server is healthier now than it has ever been.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time. Eventually this server will become known as one where legitimate players can enjoy seiges on all castles.
And I have my screenshot of GameNight in a WoA bot train so I can laugh.
Yeah...just too bad Marcus bought into Truelies lies as well. Ton of us just got rolled into a stereotype. Keep it up Marcus and one day you too can sound like him.
And Awesome...btw? Not even a quarter of those in command chat came down to mess with you guys....lol? Unless of course you wanna suggest that a mere handful of us wiped Invincible at Goddard in the last half hour while our main zerg came to deal with you..I like THAT kind of press. :)
Especially when I was in that mere handful *flexes*
I know lots in both Chaos and Inv dont ebay, I just get ****** when the ones that do come here to brag about beating non-ebayers in seiges. But to be fair WO isnt in Chaos now.
This just sounds like Mirage disassociating themselves from Inv and taking on the neutrals themselves. Sounds good.
Seigewise this server is healthier now than it has ever been.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time. Eventually this server will become known as one where legitimate players can enjoy seiges on all castles.
And I have my screenshot of GameNight in a WoA bot train so I can laugh.
Kinda surprised to hear that kind of talk from you Marcus. Being neutral in no terms means your ally doesn't ebay. It just means you dont fight either Chaos nor Invin (even if Invin wants you to) But I believe the term Chaos holds Aden is a better term then the ebayers, cause the same that could be said about your ally. People have bought accounts and ebay. You just dont use the toons to pvp. You use them to PvE. To each his own. But neutral does not equal legit
Yeah, chaos did purge a lot of the ebay from their ranks. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have anyone left to fight really. Well, next weekend should be more exciting.
Did ya'll notice that a lot of the untagged toons at Oren on WO's side had kinda suspicious names? Kinda pointless to try to fight a group of s-grade people who never level or have to raise adena with b-grade toons that will now spend weeks getting the xp back.
And mirage got kinda lucky, many of the neutrals lost all the xp they were willing to at Oren fighting the zoomhacking ebayers. Nation alliance could barely put together one group, and most of those were alts. I had the privledge of being killed by awesome at the siege yesterday! Whoo hoo! I feel special.
Always fun playing with or against mirage. grats on winning the castle. No grats for WO though, you have to earn your levels and gear before you'll get any grats for anything.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time.
whats unfortunate is your gross generalzation of the status of this server
Rest assured that every castle owning clan on this server and every server in NA houses ebayers
and "nuetrals" arent immune to it. far from it ;)
I help hold Goddard and I have never purchased Adena or botted. I'm not saying that no one in Chaos does that, of course there are those that do.
However, in all honesty I'm more suspicious of all the neutrals I see in A-grade than I am of the Chaos/Invin/Mirage people. WAY more suspicious. Those of us in the 3 major alliances have (or have had, in the past) the opportunities to do lots of high level bosses. Chaos does Antharas nearly every time he comes up now, Invin and Mirage used to do the same. Lots of us have benefited from these bosses. I would still be in Blue Wolf if not for the dragon. Got most of my Majestic set from him. However, I'm still in B-grade jewelry with a slightly OE'd C-grade weapon and my SpS is still in Demon or Doom robes with not even a full B.Ore set. Takes me forever to get xp on a nearly lvl 70 SpS with a weapon that is barely B-grade M.Atk.
So when I see all the neutrals running around in TOP A-grade w/ OE'd A-grade weapons WITH SAs (do you know how long some of us in Chaos wait for SAs? And we farm those bosses!) I get a little suspicious. I honestly think there are as many cheating players in the neutral clans as there are in Chaos/Invin/Mirage. For whatever reasons they just choose not to be in those alliances. Doesn't mean they don't do it.
In the past I have generalized essentially that uber alliances must be cheaters/e-bayers, too.
The comments here that "neutral doesn't equal legit" are true.
Not all ubers cheat and not all neutrals are honest.
Even in my little non-aligned mostly pve alliance we had a couple of guys who "suddenly found lots of adena" and said things like "oh.....um...i was in a pick-up raid group and got a really good drop....". Yeah.
I'm slowly learning to stay away from generalizations and I would guess the comments above by some weren't intended to paint with a broad brush since they were explained further.
It seems evident even to the relatively judgemental folks like me that there are all types of players (with varied principles) scatterred throughout our server.......not all griefers are tantrum-throwing 12 year olds, not all folks in S-grade cheated, not all uber alliance members are jerks (see? I AM learning) and not all neutral people are kind-hearted and good!
so wishing well inside the castle plzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Wishing Well is, officially, a non-political event, and will not be held in a castle under the control of any non-neutral clan or alliance.
Nothing personal, and nothing against those clans who are, for whatever reason, considered "political" by the server populace in general, we simply maintain our non-political, neutral stance.
Given Mirage's history of allegiance with Invincible, this puts Mirage into the category of non-neutral. Even if Mirage were to offer Innandril to the Wishing Well, we would respectfully decline, as we declined Chaos' generous offer of holding the event in Aden Castle (though, personally, I would like to tour that place at least once). Nothing personal, just politics, which, again, we refrain from during the hours of the Wishing Well event.
Of course, as always, members of any clan and/or alliance are welcome to attend the Wishing Well, provided they behave themselves.
As a rule of thumb, consider attending the Wishing Well the same as attending a movie or a play... no fighting, no disrupting the performances in progress, wait your turn if you have something to submit (PM the emcee of the evening), and generally behave yourself as a civilized sentient being ^^
Further Wishing-Well-related or L2RPA questions can be PM'd to me here or in-game.
Generalizations again. Why shouldn't neutrals have some resources? Neutral doesn't mean newcomer to the game.
I'm neutral (Tribe/Nation) and in A grade w/my DLE (no SA yet *sigh*). And I've been grinding since C1 to get to my mid-60's and into A grade ... my clan crafted my DLE (no SA yet, thx), I bought my own blades and farmed mats on alts until I just about puke walking into some lower level cats (thank the gods it crafted 1st try) ... my armor is a mix of crafted, inherited, bought ... Tribe/Nation ran tons of low level raid bosses for months until C4 turned the RB drops to sh*t. We hit the mid to high levels every time we could find one standing. We've worked very hard as a clan, combining resources and grinding on Karicks and ****ed stunner Captains in the cats for the odd helmet drop. And countless hours in TOI for papyrus (bleh) ... I don't know about other neutrals but Tribe works very very hard to get the gear it has and I'm sure a substantial number of people on the server can say the same. Not all of our A grade peeps are in A grade, but we work as a clan to get them there as fast as possible. Sometimes (if the class is right) we have it waiting for them, but it's rare. So yeah ... we have top A grade on our clannies.
Ergo, I'm not surprised to see neutrals in A grade because I know it can be done. I don't know who has the helmets or weapon SA's (many do not), and unless you're running an illegal program, you don't either. I also don't know how some people get OE'd A grade weapons neutral or not ... but I don't accuse them of cheating because of it. I know some really lucky folk in this game who went for broke and ended up with a +11 weapon of wootness (then woke up with a massive hangover the next morning wincing). All it takes is one to get that seed money and start getting some real leverage in the market for the savvy player. OH ... and time... lots and lots of time.
I could say so much but it wouldn't really add to the topic.
Instead I'll say the siege weekend was a lot of fun and that I hope it continues to be so. Get your fun from this game whichever way you like to play the game. Just make some friends to have fun with doing it.
....I know some really lucky folk in this game who went for broke and ended up with a +11 weapon of wootness (then woke up with a massive hangover the next morning wincing)....
This is such a great comment from your post Paks, I really want a +16 Weapon of Wootness please, do you suppose Neg will have something in the Clan WH :D
This just sounds like Mirage disassociating themselves from Inv and taking on the neutrals themselves. Sounds good.
Seigewise this server is healthier now than it has ever been.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time. Eventually this server will become known as one where legitimate players can enjoy seiges on all castles.
And I have my screenshot of GameNight in a WoA bot train so I can laugh.
I can understand your unhappiness Marcus, but the generalization there doesn't sound like one of your normal moments. You are generally leveled headed - rather disappointed in you.
maybe try clicking with your cursor when its half broken ?
at the first door i clicked on the gap sometimes and could target random summons/players.
As for the guards ? they are stupid.
Let me put it to you in somethign you can understand. You all were using zoomhacks plain and simple. The gate was at 95% health. Meaning no cracks no nothing and the npcs were being pulled out. Also several Tanks and DDs who can not hit outside of the gate were being hit. Same thing happend at Gludio and I guess it should just be expected of Mirage. But I though you all had more class then that. I was wrong.
Anyways, gf you took the castle, now the Neutrals are just going to have to take it back.
Well, I'll contribute this. How is it a neutral, like me, can get super rich and afford top a grade gear...not just one set even but quite a few sets? Easy, I play the market. I'm extremely savvy when it comes to money markets, I study economics IRL and the same principles are easily applicable to L2. Just have to shop around a lot, get a feel for the mean price and buy below that and sell a little bit above that. Add in there a little bit of luck now and then with drops and you build enough capital to keep it going and going. It's not about selling an item for the most...it's about selling more items for a little less hence building your initial capital to greater heights.
As for weapons, pfft, I use c grade swords still. No way in hell will i want to attempt to afford an A grade weapon with an SA and then have to pay for the bspsa or ssa >.> just too **** expensive in upkeep.
Also running 2 accounts with one always selling or buying is extremely helpful. There's more ways to make money in this game than through uber drops or crafting...just watch the numbers.
In total of adena, I've made nearly 1 billion adena in just buying and selling. Granted I'm poor at the moment with my latest purchase yet still I have enough to continue with my buying and selling tactics and I'll be in the hundreds of million again in a matter of weeks.
maybe try clicking with your cursor when its half broken ?
at the first door i clicked on the gap sometimes and could target random summons/players.
As for the guards ? they are stupid.
Let me put it to you in somethign you can understand. You all were using zoomhacks plain and simple. The gate was at 95% health. Meaning no cracks no nothing and the npcs were being pulled out. Also several Tanks and DDs who can not hit outside of the gate were being hit. Same thing happend at Gludio and I guess it should just be expected of Mirage. But I though you all had more class then that. I was wrong.
Anyways, gf you took the castle, now the Neutrals are just going to have to take it back.
yea i am ashamed that stationary guards can walk ?
u can shoot players through doors period !
u know i even can shoot mobs through mountains !
there are several things more possible in this game.
Like you said try to take it back we are looking forward to it.
Bah. Awesome, I know some mirage use zoomhack. I've talked to them. Of course, I also know that some invincible, chaos, and neutrals do too. Am I the only one without it? Sometimes I think so.
If NCSoft ever actually bans users of zoomhack, I'm going to be very lonely trying to conquer all the castles by myself. Although it'll be easier when they ban those cheating NPC guards that walk and shoot through walls.
Nope, I don't have it either V-guy. I'm BLIND! aaaaaaaggggghhhhh!
But seriously ... you CAN target through doors and walls without seeing them if you know the names of people. Typically you're only going to have a short list of "people to kill" during a seige. You know, the sorcs, sagitari, creepy people-with-dead-things, clan leaders, etc. I make up lists like that prior to seiges and update it right before and in the first phase of the seige when I'm wandering around seeing the sights. Not that I can do diddly squat with it, because I'm a blasted meatshield, but it makes *me* feel better.
What makes me really wonder is when folk are OUTSIDE and targeting everyone INSIDE at the far range of their attacks and running through targets like sub-machine guns. That tells me something other than ye-ole-target macro or even zoomhack is being played with. Sure, if yer up against the door, you can be targeted and whacked ... but when someone shoots through the door to the player sitting on the throne (not much of an exaggeration) something is definately fishy.
The insiders have quite a few valid ways to see outside (including hanging over the wall peering nearsightedly at the moat) ... I've spent many a minute on top of castle walls targeting people outside for those in my party that are inside to snipe at through the wall. And of course when a ranged attacker hits someone on either side, they then have your name for targeting purposes.
Outsiders can easily and legally do "next target" while standing up against the wall to target those that are near it ... as well as ye-ole-target-macro and ye-ole-this-bastidge-just-hit-me! manual target method ... but again, if they're hitting people in the middle of the courtyard or halfway down the throne room ... it's probably not kosher.
eh they used em, I know others do, we should have had more people on. Zoomhacks or not with more people and some of our friends not abandoning us we could have done better
Yep ... only 43 people in command channel was pretty frightening. Nation wasn't able to show up in force, but even so we had 1 and a half teams there (9 peeps in channel) (lost a few prior to the seige or we'd have had 2 full teams) ... we took very heavy xp losses on Saturday and many were trying to recover xp or simply doing non-Lineage/non-computer related activities to recover. And I saw at least 1 full party of TeamApocalypse (who died next to us in the first rush). So either the command channel didn't have all the Oblivion clan parties in it, or there was a distinct lack of bodies that showed up even in the defending ally.
eh they used em, I know others do, we should have had more people on. Zoomhacks or not with more people and some of our friends not abandoning us we could have done better
maybe try clicking with your cursor when its half broken ?
at the first door i clicked on the gap sometimes and could target random summons/players.
As for the guards ? they are stupid.
Let me put it to you in somethign you can understand. You all were using zoomhacks plain and simple. The gate was at 95% health. Meaning no cracks no nothing and the npcs were being pulled out. Also several Tanks and DDs who can not hit outside of the gate were being hit. Same thing happend at Gludio and I guess it should just be expected of Mirage. But I though you all had more class then that. I was wrong.
Anyways, gf you took the castle, now the Neutrals are just going to have to take it back.
Sure some people use it theres no denying. But let me explain it in a way you would understand
Stand by door
/target xxxxxxx
and shoot
Can use macros to target people. And its not the players fault NCsoft lets you shoot through the door. If mob can do it then I dont think they care.
maybe try clicking with your cursor when its half broken ?
at the first door i clicked on the gap sometimes and could target random summons/players.
As for the guards ? they are stupid.
Let me put it to you in somethign you can understand. You all were using zoomhacks plain and simple. The gate was at 95% health. Meaning no cracks no nothing and the npcs were being pulled out. Also several Tanks and DDs who can not hit outside of the gate were being hit. Same thing happend at Gludio and I guess it should just be expected of Mirage. But I though you all had more class then that. I was wrong.
Anyways, gf you took the castle, now the Neutrals are just going to have to take it back.
yea i am ashamed that stationary guards can walk ?
u can shoot players through doors period !
u know i even can shoot mobs through mountains !
there are several things more possible in this game.
Like you said try to take it back we are looking forward to it.
Nobdy I have seen here is complaining that it is possible to shoot through doors big lad. Only that there were a ton of random people easily targetted and killed through it who without the use of walker or the zoom **** would have been impossible to target.
Well known names can easily be targetted if you can be bothered ot make a macro or type it out with a CHANCE of them being there. Mostly that does not happen in sieges.
I guess Saireth owned you guys by saying it's only to be expected from Mirage eh?
Ph34r the ebaying cheating bot-using Mirage alliance! We pwn you with our h4xx0rs!! :rolleyes:
Sorry, I just have to laugh.. the same cheats has been used against every castle owner since the castles were introduced.. you lost, suck it up and come back next time. Sure there are some people that use the zoompatch, but I assure you it's no different in the "goodie lil two shoes" neutral allies. So get off your high horse allready.. <sigh> Zooming didn't win the fight, force did. If you get hit behind the door, you should run for cover, not /gm lol
Wish I was there btw, sounds like it was a blast. Chaos mass DC all over the place as usual from what I hear lol Well that always happens to me as well in sieges, at least 2-3 times every siege..
Dunno anyone that use walker in Mirage, honestly. Then again, it's possible, I wasn't at sieges this weekend, and I won't deny it if I knew there were any.. and your alliance should be the LAST to talk like that ;)
All I'm saying is, check your own backyard for [censored] before you accuse someone else of the same thing.
heh heh ... I don't know many goodie lil two shoes left in this game be they Chaos, Invincible, Mirage or neutral ... except V-guy. But he's *OURS* and keeps us honest ... or at a minimum feeling very very guilty. And since guilt isn't fun, it keeps things clean.
... I'm not a goody two shoes ... I'm sure I've killed a kitten there somewhere ... and maybe even addressed a sardonic comment at a person or three ... when I wear shoes ... if at all.
... even the suggestion of nefarious activities brings on the big guns .... V sighs at us and it gets terribly melancholy across the Nation. :eek: ... then we all get all embarassed and stuff and purge the naughtiness from our thoughts (well ... except for some people ... they nuture all forms of naughtiness ... but it's rarely in-game naughtiness :o)
OH DAMMIT! I'm a freaking goody two shoes carebear! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggh! *wanders off searching for a fly to pull wings off of to justify existance in L2*
Dunno anyone that use walker in Mirage, honestly. Then again, it's possible, I wasn't at sieges this weekend, and I won't deny it if I knew there were any.. and your alliance should be the LAST to talk like that ;)
All I'm saying is, check your own backyard for [censored] before you accuse someone else of the same thing.
nero does on his prophet i cancel him and he get rebuffed automatically :(
Ph34r the ebaying cheating bot-using Mirage alliance! We pwn you with our h4xx0rs!! :rolleyes:
Sorry, I just have to laugh.. the same cheats has been used against every castle owner since the castles were introduced.. you lost, suck it up and come back next time. Sure there are some people that use the zoompatch, but I assure you it's no different in the "goodie lil two shoes" neutral allies. So get off your high horse allready.. <sigh> Zooming didn't win the fight, force did. If you get hit behind the door, you should run for cover, not /gm lol
Wish I was there btw, sounds like it was a blast. Chaos mass DC all over the place as usual from what I hear lol Well that always happens to me as well in sieges, at least 2-3 times every siege..
I don't see anybody crying, just people calling you guys out is all. It's obvious whoever was killing through those doors that were not halfway down and therefore not visible through cracks were either using walker, the zoom **** or were assisting someone who was. Someone, I'll bet ore than one were doing it.
The d/c stuff, I sense a bit of sarcasm in your statement about us referring to it. It happens, unfortunately it does tend to happen to us at very unfortunate times. I remember one time where y'all lost 7 signs and whinged about disconecting inside a festival room. It happens, and I don't see anyone crying about it on our side really. If anything people are stating fact by saying that had it not happened at that particular time, you would have lost the castle...absolutely no doubt whatsoever about that.
As for the sarky comments of Chaos being "the good guys" I'll just lol...nobody ever claimed that and nobody ever will.
It was a lot of fun.
And one last thing, I believe AwesomE asked on the first page as to what we were doing there. Think back a little to the answers you gave when people on our side were cruying about Miragr being at Inv vs Chaos sieges. I think if you remember it'll answer your question and you'll never have to ask it again.
Ph34r the ebaying cheating bot-using Mirage alliance! We pwn you with our h4xx0rs!! :rolleyes:
Sorry, I just have to laugh.. the same cheats has been used against every castle owner since the castles were introduced.. you lost, suck it up and come back next time. Sure there are some people that use the zoompatch, but I assure you it's no different in the "goodie lil two shoes" neutral allies. So get off your high horse allready.. <sigh> Zooming didn't win the fight, force did. If you get hit behind the door, you should run for cover, not /gm lol
Wish I was there btw, sounds like it was a blast. Chaos mass DC all over the place as usual from what I hear lol Well that always happens to me as well in sieges, at least 2-3 times every siege..
I don't see anybody crying, just people calling you guys out is all. It's obvious whoever was killing through those doors that were not halfway down and therefore not visible through cracks were either using walker, the zoom **** or were assisting someone who was. Someone, I'll bet ore than one were doing it.
The d/c stuff, I sense a bit of sarcasm in your statement about us referring to it. It happens, unfortunately it does tend to happen to us at very unfortunate times. I remember one time where y'all lost 7 signs and whinged about disconecting inside a festival room. It happens, and I don't see anyone crying about it on our side really. If anything people are stating fact by saying that had it not happened at that particular time, you would have lost the castle...absolutely no doubt whatsoever about that.
As for the sarky comments of Chaos being "the good guys" I'll just lol...nobody ever claimed that and nobody ever will.
It was a lot of fun.
And one last thing, I believe AwesomE asked on the first page as to what we were doing there. Think back a little to the answers you gave when people on our side were cruying about Miragr being at Inv vs Chaos sieges. I think if you remember it'll answer your question and you'll never have to ask it again.
lol cant u just shutup sometimes, half of my quotes were sarcastic, the moment someone ( 1 or 2 OoOOo how bad) says something bad about Mirage its Chaos on the frontpage.
The fact Chaos showed up at Innadril influenced some neutrals to back out of the siege.
For Mirage its clear the reason u were there, otherwise it would be the same.
So indirectly u ruined it for them.
U know fallingstar we have been this before and you know it all attitude is getting a bit tiresome.
SO in this case, u sieging with the Neutrals against Mirage, u guys even got a Nation clan to try Lilith with you after the end of the period, while u know there would be mass PVP is just lol. Chaos even XP's with some neutrals now.. hmmm where did i hear this before :)
**** u made me come late to work again, i hate you
Ph34r the ebaying cheating bot-using Mirage alliance! We pwn you with our h4xx0rs!! :rolleyes:
Sorry, I just have to laugh.. the same cheats has been used against every castle owner since the castles were introduced.. you lost, suck it up and come back next time. Sure there are some people that use the zoompatch, but I assure you it's no different in the "goodie lil two shoes" neutral allies. So get off your high horse allready.. <sigh> Zooming didn't win the fight, force did. If you get hit behind the door, you should run for cover, not /gm lol
Wish I was there btw, sounds like it was a blast. Chaos mass DC all over the place as usual from what I hear lol Well that always happens to me as well in sieges, at least 2-3 times every siege..
I don't see anybody crying, just people calling you guys out is all. It's obvious whoever was killing through those doors that were not halfway down and therefore not visible through cracks were either using walker, the zoom **** or were assisting someone who was. Someone, I'll bet ore than one were doing it.
The d/c stuff, I sense a bit of sarcasm in your statement about us referring to it. It happens, unfortunately it does tend to happen to us at very unfortunate times. I remember one time where y'all lost 7 signs and whinged about disconecting inside a festival room. It happens, and I don't see anyone crying about it on our side really. If anything people are stating fact by saying that had it not happened at that particular time, you would have lost the castle...absolutely no doubt whatsoever about that.
As for the sarky comments of Chaos being "the good guys" I'll just lol...nobody ever claimed that and nobody ever will.
It was a lot of fun.
And one last thing, I believe AwesomE asked on the first page as to what we were doing there. Think back a little to the answers you gave when people on our side were cruying about Miragr being at Inv vs Chaos sieges. I think if you remember it'll answer your question and you'll never have to ask it again.
lol cant u just shutup sometimes, half of my quotes were sarcastic, the moment someone ( 1 or 2 OoOOo how bad) says something bad about Mirage its Chaos on the frontpage.
The fact Chaos showed up at Innadril influenced some neutrals to back out of the siege.
For Mirage its clear the reason u were there, otherwise it would be the same.
So indirectly u ruined it for them.
U know fallingstar we have been this before and you know it all attitude is getting a bit tiresome.
SO in this case, u sieging with the Neutrals against Mirage, u guys even got a Nation clan to try Lilith with you after the end of the period, while u know there would be mass PVP is just lol. Chaos even XP's with some neutrals now.. hmmm where did i hear this before :)
**** u made me come late to work again, i hate you
Chaos did not ruin the siege for us, the siege was ruined by Mirage and lack of support.
Nation left the siege before it started because they didnt like the way they were being talked to. Some stayed most left.
So just the 40 some odd people left tried to defend the castle against the opposing force.
Secondly, Chaos did not show up until the last 15 mins of the siege, 4 of which was spent running up to the castle. So I dont see how that influenced some neutrals to back out of the siege when it was already towards the end. Could you explain that one for me?
Chaos has been fighting Mirage for sometime. Everyone knows that when Mirage or Invin hit a siege field the other side is going to show up. It happens just the same as if Chaos shows up on a siege field. In fact sometimes its not even on a siege field and both sides will start fighting eachotherThis is commmon knowledge.
Also no one is saying Chaos is the good guys or invincible is the good guys. In fact there are bad people and good people on all sides.
First you started posting with blatant lies and tried to cover them up with stupid and unbelievable excuses. I called you out and showed you that you were being untruthful. That or you did not know what was going on and as a leader you would think you would.
well our ally only had 43 people on to defend. That was it. So we messed up on that part. Also getting hit through an unbroken castle door as a Tank kinda sucks. Zoom hacks and walker ftw I guess.
Then crit errors rigth at the inner door as we came back to recrest. It was a crazy siege. Just going to have to take it back in 2 weeks is all
drakosvicles came on the field after the first kamikaze run from Star they got a few of us but we got some of them as well. About 10 people with 75+ archers/nukers with good gear kiting does hurt, no need to skill for that. They tried to lure us from the flags so the handfull of you could bite our flags.
You talk about 43 people from your ally , is this the actual command chat from all the defenders ?
How can u say we ruined the siege for you ? without us there would be NO siege. Do you imply innadril belongs to neutrals only ? And what support u talk about ?
and your quote
First you started posting with blatant lies and tried to cover them up with stupid and unbelievable excuses. I called you out and showed you that you were being untruthful. That or you did not know what was going on and as a leader you would think you would.
it was already stated by a neutral u can target ppl if they are TOO STUPID to stay behind the doors, as for you calling me out ? your an obvious Chaos fanboy i dealt with better trashtalkers then you.
Are u part of the wishing well community btw ?
ah final note: it was fun to see neutrals help taking down other neutral flags in the end from clan/alliance i already forgot the name lol.
Again I never denied Mirage from using whatever means in this game. Just get all the neutrals to sign up for Innadril next time , i am sure 20+ clans with decent amount of people can make a serious attempt. I dont care if u bring chaos to the siege, but dont whine if Inv comes too and kills you.
When your not used to fighting against people that are on the up and up. Then fight against someone who is not, the fun factor of the siege is very much diminished. That is how you ruined the siege, had you come to the fight under better standards then the fun could have been had all around. But your ally was just looking to have a castle. Didn't already have enough Dawn passes saved up there?
You can target people who attack you from behind the door. I know this. You have someone on the wall tell the name or select an attacker and then blast them through the doors. This gives you your name on the damage window of course.
Here is where you are mistaken. I am a Tank. I can not hit through nor was I in a party to select an attacker. Neither was the 4-6 other people standing next to me who were also Tanks, daggers other dds with no ranged weaponry. How were we getting hit through a wall that you cant see through??? Please don't try to explain that one again cause your answer is just going to make you look more foolish.
See you in two weeks is right, In two weeks there is going to be another Innadrill siege and we will just have to try and take it back. If it doesn't happen then another siege is just going to happen till eventually the castle is owned by someone else or you keep it.
Also again, by trying to change the subject earlier and saying that you were just next targeting through doors and other bs that you were rehashing, you are saying that you didn't use ever means necessary. When in fact you did and as I said earlier we were just not ready for it. That was our fault and now we just have to learn from our mistakes and move on.
Oh and me being a Chaos fanboy is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. So which is it. Cause in game I am constantly being told that we are Invincible hand puppets and fanboys like Mirage is. So let me set the record straight. We are not for either side and are only out for ourselves. We have no problem helping people but we are not trying to involve ourselves in others wars. You can think we are one side or the others lapdogs but we are not and you can go on thinking and believing whatever you want.
I'm not a trash talker, I don't think that trash talking is worth it. You fight you win or lose you say gf and move on. When you have people like you come out and lie though, and then you tell the truth. It can be easily mistranslated as trash talking. You can ask people who know me in game and out of game. If there is one thing I am not for. That is it most definitely it.
Chaos did not ruin the siege for us, the siege was ruined by Mirage and lack of support.
Nation left the siege before it started because they didnt like the way they were being talked to. Some stayed most left.
So just the 40 some odd people left tried to defend the castle against the opposing force.
You did not just blame Nation for your loss. No way, let's clear these lies up here.
1) You (specifically MaxDestroyer, the castle owner) ****** off BlondeAngel of HNX clan in Nation alliance by simply being rude. BlondAngel and the THREE PEOPLE of her clan that showed up left because of that.
2) Only 9 tribe showed up (mostly on alts because Tribe couldn't sign to siege as they owned a castle at the time), and we all stayed until the castle was lost. Only after that point did we rez and take off, and even then, a few crazies (Almarin, PapaStavro) stayed to perform some heroics.
3) We almost had a rebellion in Nation trying to support you because besides FangedWeb you have not supported us on anything in the last few months. Nothing. At. All. You never come to our aid, don't be surprised at the lack of enthusiasm in our ranks to help you. Except FangedWeb. They're cool guys.
4) Besides the above, White Order cost us a lot of xp on saturday, over a week's worth for some. Those that lost that much had had enough for a weekend.
Let's look at why you did lose.
1) Siccis was unable to get anyone to rush the flags with him. Instead of building up a force to roll the flags, you attacked a few at a time.
2) Instead of rushing the flags, most of Oblivion was standing behind the door fighting a gate war. Even when Siccis called for a flag rush, I was the only one that showed up. Yeah, Siccis and one low level sws. We'll totally pwn those mirage at the flag. Right behind you siccis.
3) Even your own alliance didn't have a very good showing. Only about thirty people.
4) Oblivions idea to divide their defenders, with the non-Oblivion outside was disasterous (as BlondAngel said it would be). We got hit by the full mirage force and rolled while oblivion sat safely in their castle. So, you lost half your force right at the start and mirage put up flags.
btw why ppl talk about cheat programms and that we cant see there names you ever tried the ig function to oberve a siege ??? there you can see the names on wall
Ph34r the ebaying cheating bot-using Mirage alliance! We pwn you with our h4xx0rs!! :rolleyes:
Sorry, I just have to laugh.. the same cheats has been used against every castle owner since the castles were introduced.. you lost, suck it up and come back next time. Sure there are some people that use the zoompatch, but I assure you it's no different in the "goodie lil two shoes" neutral allies. So get off your high horse allready.. <sigh> Zooming didn't win the fight, force did. If you get hit behind the door, you should run for cover, not /gm lol
Wish I was there btw, sounds like it was a blast. Chaos mass DC all over the place as usual from what I hear lol Well that always happens to me as well in sieges, at least 2-3 times every siege..
I don't see anybody crying, just people calling you guys out is all. It's obvious whoever was killing through those doors that were not halfway down and therefore not visible through cracks were either using walker, the zoom **** or were assisting someone who was. Someone, I'll bet ore than one were doing it.
The d/c stuff, I sense a bit of sarcasm in your statement about us referring to it. It happens, unfortunately it does tend to happen to us at very unfortunate times. I remember one time where y'all lost 7 signs and whinged about disconecting inside a festival room. It happens, and I don't see anyone crying about it on our side really. If anything people are stating fact by saying that had it not happened at that particular time, you would have lost the castle...absolutely no doubt whatsoever about that.
As for the sarky comments of Chaos being "the good guys" I'll just lol...nobody ever claimed that and nobody ever will.
It was a lot of fun.
And one last thing, I believe AwesomE asked on the first page as to what we were doing there. Think back a little to the answers you gave when people on our side were cruying about Miragr being at Inv vs Chaos sieges. I think if you remember it'll answer your question and you'll never have to ask it again.
lol cant u just shutup sometimes, half of my quotes were sarcastic, the moment someone ( 1 or 2 OoOOo how bad) says something bad about Mirage its Chaos on the frontpage.
The fact Chaos showed up at Innadril influenced some neutrals to back out of the siege.
For Mirage its clear the reason u were there, otherwise it would be the same.
So indirectly u ruined it for them.
U know fallingstar we have been this before and you know it all attitude is getting a bit tiresome.
SO in this case, u sieging with the Neutrals against Mirage, u guys even got a Nation clan to try Lilith with you after the end of the period, while u know there would be mass PVP is just lol. Chaos even XP's with some neutrals now.. hmmm where did i hear this before :)
**** u made me come late to work again, i hate you
check this out awesome
YOU ruined the netral siege by showing up on the siege grounds
where mirage is we will go and kill you
so stop going to a neutral siege and ruining it for them. lol hilarious that you want to put that burden on us
that burden is your concern not mine. you made your bed, time to lie in it
what are you talking about xp, and pvp and all this?
stop whining.
chaos was not sieging innadril. we were cleaning it. thanks
Yeah in case the poster before wasn't being sarcastic..Chaos vs Mirage/Invincible. They are having a bit of a spat. Anyone else trying not to get pie-face in the middle is called neutral.
Would just like to point out btw that I wasn't being sarcastic either. I love seeing you guys taking chances, win or lose...finding out who you can rely on and who you can't; and making the sacrifices that lead to great reward. PVE is the ultimate snore for me these days...and I'm thrilled that the neutrals are (without trying to be condescending, though it might sound like it) going through these growing pains. I am really really curious as to how it will turn out.
Sandron u are funny, without Mirage there would be no siege at Innadril, how can i know that 10+ signed clans only have 43 people present ?
It was 1 alliance vs the rest of the neutrals, was also a time ago where neutrals asked if they were alowed to siege Gludio without hard feelings.
This is where u should check yourself out.
I never placed the burden on you, i knew u would come.
Before the siege i got several pm from neutrals looking forward to the siege at innadril. The moment you showed up they dropped out.
My time of whining passed long time ago and u know it.
I just stated the fact that some people welcomed the siege and the moment u showed up they left.
Sandron u are funny, without Mirage there would be no siege at Innadril, how can i know that 10+ signed clans only have 43 people present ?
It was 1 alliance vs the rest of the neutrals, was also a time ago where neutrals asked if they were alowed to siege Gludio without hard feelings.
This is where u should check yourself out.
I never placed the burden on you, i knew u would come.
Before the siege i got several pm from neutrals looking forward to the siege at innadril. The moment you showed up they dropped out.
My time of whining passed long time ago and u know it.
I just stated the fact that some people welcomed the siege and the moment u showed up they left.
But prolly you too American to understand
lol so am i to assume you are in the innadril nuetral siege circle now?
you realize they have had sieges for the past year there right? well before you decided to grace them with your presence lol
they dont need mirage to have a siege... that castle has seen more action than any other on the server.
and yes awesome im very american and proud of it
stereotypes get you nowhere though chief
people that know me know that im not the stereo typical ******, ignorant american.
but lets be clear about something. you arent saying anything thats going over my head or beyond my comprehension
youre just talkin out your *** and acting as if youre doing a service to the innadril siege status
again. im not here to dictate what people do or dont.
all im saying is you(mirage) won often go somewhere and not expect us to come kill you.
OK ... Saerith .... take a nice solid read of Valdis' post ... I'm going to assume that you simply have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
... a total of FOUR Nation folk left at the start. We had 1 full party plus some out-of-party avatars. That means almost 1/4 of the command chat was Nation. Our alliance showed up to support Oblivion out of respect for Siccis and friendship with Arcon/FangedWeb. FangedWeb helped us a month ago when they showed their flag to help us take Oren. We originally were going to ATTACK because the last seige was god-awful boring ... but it was all for fun because we knew that 1.) Oren would be tough and our attack would be to shrug off the Oren stress and engage in some friendly PvP goodness ... 2.) a bunch of our ally had RL events hitting on Sunday and couldn't attend ANY seige so our numbers were going to be small ... 3.) several of the high levels in our clans that took upward to 20% loss at Oren can only grind seriously on weekends, so that's what they were doing ...
then 4.) Mirage pulled in their big gun clans so it made no sense for us to provide the 'fun' factor, we pulled from attack and our clan leaders stayed up late as hell to coordinate and get the nation clans flipped to the defending side.
As the seige went on, a handful more Nation showed up on mains or alts. Most of us switched over to alts after taking several losses on our Tribe mains, because taking that much xp loss and ending up in HV gets really old. Especially since it felt like we were being used as cannon fodder.
When the castle was lost I hung around for a while, but seemed like it was only gate wars ... Nation, as a rule, doesn't gate war. Some left at that point. But we still had a core of crazies who went all the way to the end throwing their bodies at the flags.
So don't kick Nation for being there. We were there and the people who left didn't make or break the seige. Since I know that TeamApocalypse was there with it's own group or two ... that could be extrapolated to mean that Oblivion as an ally had extremely low numbers there.
I didn't see YOU at Oren. Don't even go there about Nation at Innadril this weekend.
Sasha... There was a whole long thread in here explaining how the war started between Inv and Chaos. It was very interesting for me to read -- Well, I love history in any form :) I think it is this thread, where someone asks that same question... read it and you'll get a good feel for the reasons why http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=629949&page=2&fpart=1&vc =1
[EDIT: Okay, maybe this isn't the thread, but it was a thread around this time that is someone asking to explain the conflict's origins... so search around that time frame.]
Let's suffice it to say at the time it was emotional heroics that started it... but, like the Hatfields and the McCoys, now the original reason is not really meaningfull anymore...
Invincible goes after Chaos... Chaos goes after Invincible and Mirage, cuz now Mirage is involved in the Invincible side of the things.
The neutrals are clans/alliances that do not inform nor assist either side in the war. That is a very thin line that many cannot walk, but attempt to. The rules are different on both sides as to who they consider to be neutral. You'll get a feel for it as you go along :)
Truthfully, Sasha, I read the forums for the other servers too, just to see what the other servers were like politically ... looks like all of them have their very own version of the politics here on Lionna. You have to come to conclusion that that is what this game is about: the rise and fall of power, abuse versus right-use of power, and the fair-game on the weak and young :) It's a reflection of the world we live in, in an environment where there are no physical consequences... And since most who play the game are not in a position to participate at this level in the real world, L2 is the perfect place :)
And, honestly, I think that Lionna HAS decided what kind of server they want.... and here it is!! Ta da!!
ok well i'll tell ya a little of what im thinking because this is not how it is on any server i've played on ........i think you may have misunderstood me....and if this topic has been brought to light before i will keep my mouth shut and find a new server to play on cause it will mean that legit players on this server have absolutely 0 pride in what they have accomplished which in my books is unacceptable.....kk.....i was hunting in an unamed catacomb and could not find a room in which to hunt i was angry so i found one of the rooms being hunted by a large group of nonresponsive "players" not using SS.....so i killed them and claimed the room :) .....a little bit later some people from one of the "major allies" came and killed me for greifing....lol....so i think to myself ok so this is this server's version of RB farmer clans.....so...a few days later i was hunting elsewhere ran across the same issue and continued with a hobby of mine :) claimed the hunting spot back from a nonresponsive large group not using SS.....i knew what was gonna happen next...no....wait members from a different "major ally" came and killed me for griefing....lol.....OMG it hit me .....then i talk to people and figure out that these 2 allies are mixed with both "types" of players........so i am confused why people with so much hard work invested in there toon/toons would lye in bed with others who may not have.....my expereiences has been regardless of how some feel about each other these people are always setting there differences beside,ignoring exsisting wars at hand and fight one common enemy....so this is very weird and different to me......can someone please tell me why this is .....why are legit players so innagrated with other "style" players"......
OK that was very cool ty....and informative....to be honest though i believe that to be a load of crap i may be new to the server but i know exactly whats going on here from a little experiment of mine .....i will try to run it again soon and get some more screenies and find out who's pulling strings here so i need a little time........i read that though and became sad because it seems to me that people are being lied to and given false reasons to be passionate about this war....from what i see good people ........so i will finish my investigation and give my report and i have a feeling when i'm done Lionna will have to come together and decide what kind of server they wish to be appart of .....thank you very much for the insite i look forward to getting to know most of you better and being appart of this server :D
Okay, color me confuzzled...so you're new to the server, but after reading about the server's history, you have a theory as to what is really "going on here" based upon some super secret experiment that you have done/will perform/continue to do. Someone is pulling the strings behind the scene, but you will reveal that to us, after which our eyes will be gloriously opened to the darkness that is the Lionna server...this revelation will be so monumentous that we will all have to make a choice as to whether or not we want to continue to play on Lionna.
Did I get that right?
It's a game...there are warring factions because it is a PvP game, there are castles to siege, big ugly dragons to slay, and other things of a competitive nature. Try not to read too much into it...just enjoy!
Ahh...just read your other post, which apparently you made while I was making mine. Yeah, this has all been brought up before, it's quite an old and ongoing topic, tbh. I don't even have it in me to type more than that about it, at the moment...prepare to be disappointed, I suppose.
I find it really funny that awesome is having to resort to insulting other peoples nationalitys in order to try and make a point.
i didnt insult him, if u think I did by saying hes too american to understand (stubborn thinking maybe ?) then i have nothing more to say lol
So saying all Americans have "stubborn thinking" is not an insult?
You just made my day.
Hold up a sec...I'm sure allll of this can be cleared up if Awesome just takes a moment to explain what exactly he thinks it is to be an American. What exactly ARE Amercian traits, Awesome? Please educate us! I will be patiently awaiting your response.
SashaThingy: That thread is very biased, though it give a little bit of insight into what's happened the last 2.5 years. There is alot of propoganda, everyone wants to look good ya know ^^ It's an endless discussion, so many interpretations!
Mirage didn't pull out the big guns at Innadril, I WASN'T EVEN THERE!! ;> Still wiping blood off my bow from a certain Gludio siege, you almost made me go OOM!
This thread has some neutrals whining about cheating and such, bitter because they lost. Newsflash! You didn't lose because you got hit behind the doors lol So shut it!
PS. Mirage is teh new evil! Or maybe we were evil the whole time! OMG! Don't siege us! Our well is being corrupted!
OK that was very cool ty....and informative....to be honest though i believe that to be a load of crap i may be new to the server but i know exactly whats going on here from a little experiment of mine .....i will try to run it again soon and get some more screenies and find out who's pulling strings here so i need a little time........i read that though and became sad because it seems to me that people are being lied to and given false reasons to be passionate about this war....from what i see good people ........so i will finish my investigation and give my report and i have a feeling when i'm done Lionna will have to come together and decide what kind of server they wish to be appart of .....thank you very much for the insite i look forward to getting to know most of you better and being appart of this server
That thread doesn't go nearly far back enough to mention the start of the Invi vs Chaos conflict. That particular thread, in fact, only mentions a relatively recent event that involved a large, neutral alliance that participated in a PVE Raidboss event, and the fallout from that.
To put things in very simple terms, there have been 2 core groups of players that have opposed each other since the server opened. Both of these groups have, over the past couple years, had other people join their cause and, as is the way with such things, come and go, and the original cause of the conflict is somewhat muddled by intervening events and the passage of time.
A lot of people from both sides of these core groups have left the game since, and newcomers have risen in levels and become members of either this or the other "inner circles", so much so that the conflict, now, is self-propagating. Ideologies really no longer matter for either side, the fight itself is enough.
It's not about who has bots, who has RMTs in their pocket, or who raids what with who... these are all just excuses tossed around to trash-talk, incite drama, and keep the battle going.
It has its ups and downs, but at least it makes the forums interesting sometimes.
Suffice it to say that there has always been, and probably always will be, some sort of 2-way split on the server. Maybe we'll see the rise of a 3rd faction, maybe we won't, only time will tell.
This game is designed so that ppl with a) time+bots+third party programs can make RL money, b) ppl with no time and plenty of money can fight them and c) ppl not prepared to spend money on adena play their own game.
c) is clashing more with a) and b) now and sparks like this fly
Its gets complicated when c's ally with a's and b's but thats all part of the interesting morass called Lionna.
Trying to determine which individuals in which allys are a's b's or c's can make your head explode. It is too muddy. Then some fool paladin comes along and calls all of one ally a's and b's and gets kicked in the [censored] for it, and fair enough.
Hell its been an interesting thread though.
Personally I've tried to stay in a clan and ally that is c's only and have met a lot of c's in all of the major clans. If any of the a's can prove they've sold to my c's then show me the proof.
Its nice of you to come along and plan our future for us Sasha but youll realise soon enough that we went past the point of no return about 2 years ago. ;)
Chucky, I cant see any spelling mistakes in your last post, cmon who really wrote it for you, your mum ;) Edit: ok 1 mistake
This game is designed so that ppl with a) time+bots+third party programs can make RL money, b) ppl with no time and plenty of money can fight them and c) ppl not prepared to spend money on adena play their own game.
c) is clashing more with a) and b) now and sparks like this fly
Its gets complicated when c's ally with a's and b's but thats all part of the interesting morass called Lionna.
Trying to determine which individuals in which allys are a's b's or c's can make your head explode. It is too muddy. Then some fool paladin comes along and calls all of one ally a's and b's and gets kicked in the [censored] for it, and fair enough.
Hell its been an interesting thread though.
Personally I've tried to stay in a clan and ally that is c's only and have met a lot of c's in all of the major clans. If any of the a's can prove they've sold to my c's then show me the proof.
Its nice of you to come along and plan our future for us Sasha but youll realise soon enough that we went past the point of no return about 2 years ago. ;)
Chucky, I cant see any spelling mistakes in your last post, cmon who really wrote it for you, your mum ;) Edit: ok 1 mistake
Too American.. Too patriotic, world-police, ignorant, close minded, arrogant, don't know where Europe nor the middle east is located (prolly in kansaas)..?
perhaps ask most Canadians what they think of Americans In general :P
I only said that Sandron was thinking too American maybe, first reply was already taken as an insult.
If I would have insulted Sandron I would have used different words.
Coming to the term "too American"
I can describe most as ********s (dunno exact word , but litterally from dutch translation u can look it up: dikke hoofden)
If u dont find yourself in this category I can say you are Air headed ( leeg hoofd).
And if u still cant find your self in this then I can compare u with George W. Bush.
But then again, I also know Americans who arent like that.
So whenever u feel offended by the term too American I can frankly say choose one of the above.
Its goes for same countries though, I am sure u guys have your cup of tea on Europeans.
But seriously i love the country and the hospitality in general.
Awesome, you can stop trying to explain how you target through the Doors. And assuming when someone says tank that they are a DA is a wrong assumption on your part.
To all the nation people, when I logged in for the siege I was told exactly what was wanted to see from Nation on the siege field. So In shout chat I asked them to move to the outside of the castle where we would be bringing another defending force from the sides to help with Nations effort. No one from nation would move out of the castle I was told. So I again stated to move out of the castle for defense. Again I was told they were not moving, so for a third time I asked them to move outside of the castle for defense. I was told seconds later that nation left cause they did not like the way I was talking to them. Well if your going to act like a little kid and leave cause you dont like what your being told then so be it. If it was not all of you that left then I was under the wrong impression and to those who did leave grow up. Again sorry for clumping you all together but from what was told to me and from what I saw there was no nation on the siege field. If you were then thank you for coming to help out at the fiasco :)
As for Oren, well I can explain that to you easily. I work on Saturdays. To see me at a saturday siege is like finding a 100 dollar bill on the ground. It doesnt happen often.
Im not sure who Mulch is and frankly I dont care. But if you read what I said, a number of factors went into the loss. Mostly lack of numbers. Everyone knows that zoomhacks and such were used so lets not talk about it anymore or try to coverup cause frankly its a waste of both our times.
I still had fun towards the end of the siege. When you get to see what a well commanded force and a good strenght in numbers can do its amazing. I know that Oblivion will be there for Nation if Nation is there for Oblivion. There is no trouble between our allies so I dont see why that would not be possible.
Im not sure who Mulch is and frankly I dont care. But if you read what I said, a number of factors went into the loss. Mostly lack of numbers. Everyone knows that zoomhacks and such were used so lets not talk about it anymore or try to coverup cause frankly its a waste of both our times.
I'm Sviity, the red glasscannon! Don't worry, I have no clue about most neutrals either ^^ And absolutely no clue who you are.. though I was mostly speaking in general, so don't take what I say personal. :p
And yeh, someone here was crying so loud about the zoomhack here that it ended up being the only reason I heard.. yeyeye, you had fewer people, possibly.. like 50-60 people. You said you had 43something in one command channel and like 9 in another + some random people. I don't think my interpretation is too far off, not to mention Chaos paid a visit from what I can understand.
This just sounds like Mirage disassociating themselves from Inv and taking on the neutrals themselves. Sounds good.
Seigewise this server is healthier now than it has ever been.
Unfortunately the ebayers hold Aden, Goddard and Oren but give it time. Eventually this server will become known as one where legitimate players can enjoy seiges on all castles.
And I have my screenshot of GameNight in a WoA bot train so I can laugh.
Kinda surprised to hear that kind of talk from you Marcus. Being neutral in no terms means your ally doesn't ebay. It just means you dont fight either Chaos nor Invin (even if Invin wants you to) But I believe the term Chaos holds Aden is a better term then the ebayers, cause the same that could be said about your ally. People have bought accounts and ebay. You just dont use the toons to pvp. You use them to PvE. To each his own. But neutral does not equal legit
Our alliance does not ebay. We punish ebaying and autoplaying severely. Anyone caught is booted. No ifs ands or butts. I am aware that people may have done it in the past, but if they have, they know the consequences of doing it in our clans and alliances. Rising Blades does not stand for Ebaying or any sort of illegitimate activity pertaining to the EULA.
Oh and by the way, read up on our alliance next time you want to slap a label on us. We're not a predictable sort.
for targeting at the door at such sieges in mirage theres usually some dorf at the door and if you ask him nicely he does a next target that gives the nuker grp a real nice target behind the said door also im usually using a pole at the door and if an enemy is real close to it i hit him aswell
for cheating cheaters are everywhere im against cheaters and if i see em in mirage ill do against em what i can but i do not do anything without a real prove theres many ways to earn money and many ppl i know spent spent alot of time on that so its kinda funny if those ppl are accused of ebaying and as long theres no proves about the cheating i wont do anything against a person since i wont acuse anyone of it wo proves
also i tend to ignore ppl who come to me crying somebout cheaters and thats how we lost to em and how the mean ebaying mirage is there with all the top equips i find that pathetic i know how mirage got gear and many of it is from rbs like antharas or normal rbs in earlier days but i also see tons of neutrals in a grade and [censored] theres even ppl i never saw before in s grade
well but i really wonder why ppl still care so much bout ebaying and botting and we anyway (i dont like it either but not that i can do something gainst it) its part of the game by now just give more respect to the ppl who achieve stuff legitly and all is fine
LOOOOOOLL cant even remember when that screenshot was.
1 year ago ? besides find me a quote where i say that Mirage is clean 100% ? Even better i even stated i dont care if u ebay or not. Only the % of illegit players compared chaos vs Mirage is waaaaaayy to big.