1st don't tell me i speak bad english...im trying my best!! and hope you will understand, and maybe give your opinion and answers to my question.
as i know l2 NA players don't play like korean do, NA is more based on pvp, and we have probleme with people who play l2 to make real money (wonder how it's called that kind of players :o )
main patch are made by korean dev team, and ideas are given by koreans, and not NA players, players who don't play like us and don't have same probleme we face here.
why don't we have a dev team able to do patch for NA??, light patch not major ones that modify client for next korean patch.
just an exemple on pvp system :
our ally fight another big ally that get help from a farmer clan.
this farmer clan doesn't care about xp since they bot till 78 in 1 month, interfere in ally war by rezing people, and killing our red who try to pk rezer, so since they use scrolls to rez their mates...
simple solution, if u are not a part of the war when u rez someone in clan/ally war you should go purple, no exploite possible with this modification on pvp i still mind on it i dont find one...
i wonder how complicated this patch could be to make ??? and why dev don't make it ??
i mean im not probably the first one who post about this, all c4 and now c5 and still nothing done.
so my question is why devs don't make small modification on some things that decrease NA players fun, and to limite the exploite, patch proper to NA ?????
simple solution, if u are not a part of the war when u rez someone in clan/ally war you should go purple, no exploite possible with this modification on pvp i still mind on it i dont find one...
1. You are playing the game made by Koreans for Koreans. If you don't like this, there are other games to choose from. The WoW is a nice example of a game made for Americans.
2. You don't have the NA dev team because you are playing the game made by Koreans for Koreans. End of story.
3. Making healers flag when they are rezzing an unknown person just because the person's clan may be in some clan war is one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard.
4. If by any chance you or your friends buy ingame assets for RL money (mine don't, as far as I know), it is not in your interests to make farmers' work harder.
1. You are playing the game made by Koreans for Koreans. If you don't like this, there are other games to choose from. The WoW is a nice example of a game made for Americans.
2. You don't have the NA dev team because you are playing the game made by Koreans for Koreans. End of story.
3. Making healers flag when they are rezzing an unknown person just because the person's clan may be in some clan war is one of the most stupid ideas I've ever heard.
4. If by any chance you or your friends buy ingame assets for RL money (mine don't, as far as I know), it is not in your interests to make farmers' work harder.
ohh man remind to activate ur brain this time when u read it...do NCsoft pay you to give answers like this ?
well u speak for nothing i need an answer to my question not useless blabla
1- im paying a game i like but wich have exploite and bugs as a custumer, playing in NA servers, and i want a game with less exploite like everyone, solutions are simple and not done my question is why ?
2-korean game with korean players ARE IN "korean servers", wake up we are in NA, im not asking for NA chronicle, im asking about exploite fixe, light patch for our community exploite that probably korean will never complain about it if the only pvp they have are olympiad.......
3- probably less than you.... what is stupid about it 2 clan in war wth a supposed neutral doing when he rez someone from the 2 clan, if he is somewhere alone with the guy dead he can rez and go purple for few sec it isn't a probleme.
but when he rez a guy who is fighting ppl in war...this mean u are not neutral anymore cuz u give an advantage to a clan so imagine 2-3 groups of farmers that don't care about xp lost, and who are there just to rez the other clan members, and kill the red who try to prevent from more rezz ( the 2-3 bishop rez ppl from 1 war side and u have 20 guys that rez those bishops with regular or prophet rez ...1 clan doing a war with another, but a 3rd clan who are not in war interfere i call this exploit this mean u declare official war with 1 clan but u fight 2 ( even when u request a war to the farmer clan they don't accepete and all you can do is go red on rezer (2-3 group) im not playing to make a lvl 150 sin eater...if you still think it's stupid go ebay a brain.
and just find me a possible exploite about this idea that make this fix impossible ??? ...
4-well didn't understand this, if you mean that i ebay adena , so lol, i hate too much farmers to do this, and i think economy inflamtion in l2 doesn't need more greeks.
plz post ur opinion with argument no useless spamm thx
1.) Solutions are not simple. If they were, they would have been made, and the game would not have gotten horrid review scores for the farming/botting issue and lost a buttload of customers over it.
2.) This is a Korean game, ported directly. Unlike a console title, which is easy to modify upon transition, this game needs to be updated every few months - if the NA team did its own patches, this would mean a hell of a lot of bugs popping up and a great deal of extra work every time a new chronicle update happened.
3.) Actually, while Krissa didn't explain at all why she (he?) thinks it's a stupid idea, it really does have a very serious flaw - because just like hitting healers to make them flag, this would invite griefing beyond anything else. Have you never given a stranger a res? I know I have - because they didn't want to respawn, because I had a percent res, whatever reason. I bet a bunch of them were in war - should I flag for ressing them when there aren't even enemies around? Think your ideas through a little.
A better solution would be to leave someone who died in PvP purple until they respawn or get resurrected - this means a healer would know what they're doing, and affect not only 2 way clan wars but also avoid outside help with other PvP.
PS: Request opinions, get opinions - just because someone doesn't agree with you, they ain't spamming. Even DM made (a bit of) a point here.
1 and 2. They are not done because of the bottom line. Money. Even simple solutions are expensive and the N.A. player base is rather small compared to the total. The NA office does not even have a single developer working there. So unless Koreans start complaining, fixing the game for things the NA players like to have will be very unlikely. They did however fix a lot of problems allready, it just takes time.
3. If healing/rezzing people would result in the healer going purple, this would mean that no healer would ever heal others again. There are to much griefers out there who like to exploit this to kill innocent players. Don't forget that you can't see if two clans are at war or not if you are not part of that same war.
1 and 2. They are not done because of the bottom line. Money. Even simple solutions are expensive and the N.A. player base is rather small compared to the total. The NA office does not even have a single developer working there. So unless Koreans start complaining, fixing the game for things the NA players like to have will be very unlikely. They did however fix a lot of problems allready, it just takes time.
3. If healing/rezzing people would result in the healer going purple, this would mean that no healer would ever heal others again. There are to much griefers out there who like to exploit this to kill innocent players. Don't forget that you can't see if two clans are at war or not if you are not part of that same war.
1 and 2 yes i understand but some exploit can be fixed so easy why not make a better system report with korean dev some urgent fix that can be made in a week or so, if there is an exploite here it is on korean also even if they didn't find it
so they fix it on korea and then fix it here...comon it isn't that hard to make just need some will to work and change things.
3- grief when someone ask a rez , he ask u he doesn't force you to do it, if you believe in him and rez then he kill you so, it's your fault, next time let him get rez from his clan, and in any server i think everyone know who are in war with who...
dead people stay purple it's same , since rezer go purple it's ok and since the color change when he start casting not at the end.
1 and 2 yes i understand but some exploit can be fixed so easy why not make a better system report with korean dev some urgent fix that can be made in a week or so, if there is an exploite here it is on korean also even if they didn't find it
so they fix it on korea and then fix it here...comon it isn't that hard to make just need some will to work and change things.
3- grief when someone ask a rez , he ask u he doesn't force you to do it, if you believe in him and rez then he kill you so, it's your fault, next time let him get rez from his clan, and in any server i think everyone know who are in war with who...
dead people stay purple it's same , since rezer go purple it's ok and since the color change when he start casting not at the end.
1. Quick fixing problems in software is tricky. You never know what problems you create by fixing another non critical problem. Then there is the problem that you do not want to have big differences in the software between countries. Because now and then, a critical bug needs fixing fast and you can't afford incompatible software versions colliding with your fix. Then there is the problem that the developers have to cater to Korea, Japan, China and us as well and they have limited time dor that.
3. When they changed the healing system so that popele would go purple when they healed a flagged character there were a lot of griefers who tried to kill healers by suddenly flagging. In a war, nobody flags, so as a healer you don't know if someone is flagged or not.
And for knowing which clan is at war with whom. Well I don't. I don't even know half the clans. Sure I know of the big boys, but they start and end wars so quick that it is hard to follow.
0. You aren't going to have better answers if you are flaming. Neither it does make your proposals look smarter. It is usually just the opposite. Luckily for you, I am immune to such things.
1. Mencken's Metalaw: "For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong."
2. You are playing a NA offshoot of a Korean game, and with their current track record in advertizing, server hardware, connectivity, ingame support... why do you expect any coding from their side to actially work?
3. The most stupid part of your idea is that it does not work even where intended. If they don't care about their XP, they just need to bring two rezzing toons instead of one, and you will need to go PK route again.
4. From your words, you seem to be high enough to bother PKing lvl 78 chars, but not enough to have basic understanding of the game. How come?
Won't be buying an NcSoft product again. Too many reasons to list but the top 2 are no development team and lack of responsiblity in terms of botting.
We can not blame the gas station for high prices...
actually, we can.
gas prices are inflated by the gas pumps for several reasons: profit margin in US and canada is usually 100% (what we buy for, we sell 2x the price) ; and on top of that, overhead. including the cost of bringing the gas into the pumps, maintaining the pumps, providing free washrooms, providing snacks and sometimes fresh coffee.
all those things stack up to provide you with about 300% of the gas cost price by the pump owners.
don't kid yourself. you would buy another NC product the moment it hit the shelves.
A game that sucked with a great development team because there is room for improvement and growth. There are a few games like that on my hard drive just waiting to be on the used often list.
Well I passed on auto assult and that game is right down hillbilly alley where I live. My eye is on AoC and will pass up all other to see where it goes. If it doesn't turn out to be good maybe i will just return to real life.
Oh and just wow on that gas station thing. Facts and fiction are on the same page with you. Also since when did gas stations provide snack and coffee in the last decade? You must buy everything.
Well, what about DaoC. . I know they have NA servers and Euro servers. . and there are little "patches" and neat things that the Euro servers get that we (NA) don't. Of course they get the updates months after we do. . but still. . it seems that they seemed to find a way to implement the "european" tweaks without ruining the entire game.
Well I passed on auto assult and that game is right down hillbilly alley where I live. My eye is on AoC and will pass up all other to see where it goes. If it doesn't turn out to be good maybe i will just return to real life.
Oh and just wow on that gas station thing. Facts and fiction are on the same page with you. Also since when did gas stations provide snack and coffee in the last decade? You must buy everything.
all the gas stations where i live, have built in diners attached. usually frangises like Tim Horton's, Coffee Time, A&W, McD's and a whole host of others.
Well I passed on auto assult and that game is right down hillbilly alley where I live. My eye is on AoC and will pass up all other to see where it goes. If it doesn't turn out to be good maybe i will just return to real life.
Oh and just wow on that gas station thing. Facts and fiction are on the same page with you. Also since when did gas stations provide snack and coffee in the last decade? You must buy everything.
all the gas stations where i live, have built in diners attached. usually frangises like Tim Horton's, Coffee Time, A&W, McD's and a whole host of others.
He wasn't disputing that gas stations don't have food and coffee, he was disuputing that they give away free food and coffee.
Though actually, that's not "entirely" untrue. There are some small "mom and pop" gas stations in the middle of the U.S. that do give away coffee. Just not the norm though.
As far as the topic, I highly doubt it is cost effective to have 2 entirely separate development teams. Having said that, I don't see why some localization can't be done. I know NC Soft is aware of "local tastes" and the president did indicate that they wanted to take this into account. However, I don't know if this is still the plan and most certainly not for the games they already have made.
I have always felt disconnected from the korean playerbase, we are all gamers...And the only way as an NA playerbase to make our feels heared is to be united with our korean fellow players.
The game's not built for inter-server competition, so while that's pretty fun, it's never actually useful. Seems more of a destraction-and-ego-petting to me.
well not everything in life has to be useful does it?
i do a lot of things just for fun.
playing Lineage 2 for example...
Actually I think the server vs server tournement was a really nice addition. It shouldn't be the end all be all but it seemed like it was a nice "added bonus'.
Having said that, I really wish they would do something more with this game. C5 is a big dissapointment for me. I'm glad that they are balancing the classes and really like the idea of the "Demon Sword", but the new areas seem lackluster.
I was hoping that C5 would be something really "new" and imaginative.
Now C6 is where my hope is. If not then I'm sure there are other games coming out that will fill the bill.
What we need is the development team to do more drinking as that is where the idea for the "Demon Sword" came from.
ok i saw a board on this forum, called "game suggestion" , i wonder why it's up since it is useless, and almost impossible to find out 1 good idea...
why NA support team doesn't set a chat (such interview) with 1 or 2 korean dev once in a month or ech 2 month, and where the players selected or the fix voted on this forum are argumented*.
this way korean dev will have an idea about what euro/NA want to fix, and they do it themselves and patch all servers...
at less we will feel less excluded from the game.
don't think this need alot of money to make or more time, and make information exchange more easy between us and korean, no major chronicle addon are planed so i think it's time.
Mystril may we have your opinion plz ? (if you read this...)
another reason why NCsoft america cannot make changes to the game directly meaning thier own patches, is do to one simple fact, NCsoft korea doesn't allow it. the contract from what im told, states that NCsoft america will not make any personal changes...they can remove but not add things ...
ok i saw a board on this forum, called "game suggestion" , i wonder why it's up since it is useless, and almost impossible to find out 1 good idea...
Start posting those ideas!
As far as I'm concerned, I've seen quite a lot already. :)
why NA support team doesn't set a chat (such interview) with 1 or 2 korean dev once in a month or ech 2 month, and where the players selected or the fix voted on this forum are argumented*.
this way korean dev will have an idea about what euro/NA want to fix, and they do it themselves and patch all servers...
As an EE, I would not mind flagging while rezzing someone in a clan war. In fact I think it's a good idea.
The only people who I think this would hurt would be the "neutral" healers, healers in clans who don't pvp much. I'm already wearing a big "PK ME" sign on my head because of my clan/ally, so it's not like it would matter if I were flagged or not. And I can't even remember the last time I was out and saw a random dead person who asked for rez. I mean it's been ages. Yeah sure it used to happen a lot - in C1! But now, you don't see people laying around dead praying that a rezzer will happen to walk their way. I'm not saying it never happens, just rarely. So really, how often would it affect rezzers? Once a month? Maybe? I'd willingly take that chance just to keep the farmers out of pvp.
As an EE, I would not mind flagging while rezzing someone in a clan war. In fact I think it's a good idea.
There is a difference between "rezzing in a clan war" and "rezzing a wartagged person".
The only people who I think this would hurt would be the "neutral" healers, healers in clans who don't pvp much. I'm already wearing a big "PK ME" sign on my head because of my clan/ally, so it's not like it would matter if I were flagged or not.
This "PK ME" sign is still for your declared enemies only. Not for some random griefers.
And I can't even remember the last time I was out and saw a random dead person who asked for rez.
Then, I suppose, you don't qualify...
I'd willingly take that chance just to keep the farmers out of pvp.
As an EE, I would not mind flagging while rezzing someone in a clan war. In fact I think it's a good idea.
There is a difference between "rezzing in a clan war" and "rezzing a wartagged person".
Except that you cannot see if someone else is warred. Would truly suck for the innocent person that happens upon someone that was killed and offers a rez...
didn't RF sell rights to codemasters to develop their own version?
Speaking as an RF player...
No.
Codemaster's only distribute's CCR's "Rising Force Online" game to the NA/EU market. Codemaster's can change nothing about the game with the exceptions of table-data related information.
Thus, they can change drop rates, XP/PT (think L2's SP, sorta) rates, and the like, but they cannot create their own content, maps, classes, races, zones, etc etc etc.
Furthermore, any bugfixes or content updates are received directly from CCR (in Korea) and then translated into English before being added to the game. In the end, the various RF clients (Korea= kRFO, Japan= jRFPO, the Phillipines, phRFO, China, cRFO and the western= RFO) are identical except for the languages they are in. Obviously, kRFO has new updates and content before we do, but we eventually get the same stuff (with the exception of the Shirow Masamune-designed armours in jRFO, but that was an exclusive deal for the Japanese market).
So... no, RFO players are in the same boat as L2 players as pertaining to new content and the like. We wait for Korea there just like we do here.
We wait even longer, actually, as it's 2 entirely different companies involved. Here you just wait on the NA branch of NC-Soft.
Has any considered that if there was a serious attempt to 'North Americanize' L2 it would mean that we would have a substantially WORSE game?
What makes L2 different, good, wonderful, exciting, addicting (&tc.) is that it is different from all the other NA games. That is why we love it so much. If the people who wanted to dumb it down, make it easy, increase the drop rates, and so forth had their way (the North Americanization wimpifying) then the old hardcore L2 experts may drift away.
So keep us different, keep us hard, resist the temptations for the soft life.
As an EE, I would not mind flagging while rezzing someone in a clan war. In fact I think it's a good idea.
There is a difference between "rezzing in a clan war" and "rezzing a wartagged person".
OK, let me rephrase since you seem to be so completely **** about it.
I would not mind flagging when I rezzed ANYBODY, white, red, purple, clanned, unclanned, warred, neutral, bot, etc. Flag me, I DON'T CARE.
The only people who I think this would hurt would be the "neutral" healers, healers in clans who don't pvp much. I'm already wearing a big "PK ME" sign on my head because of my clan/ally, so it's not like it would matter if I were flagged or not.
This "PK ME" sign is still for your declared enemies only. Not for some random griefers.
My point with the "PK ME" sign is that I'm always expecting pvp, always on the lookout. What the heck is a random griefer? I mean, do you live in a box? Is your server empty? In my case, there's no such thing as a random griefer because anyone untagged has the potential to be an alt of my enemey. I don't trust untagged people or people in clans whose names I don't recognize. If you do then I guess you're not as involved in server politics/pvp as I am. And seriously, how likely is it that some random person is going to kill you just 'cause your flagged? I mean honestly, the server you describe sounds like my server... in C1. We don't have random griefers, random PKers any more. Not at the high levels anyway. A person is not going to kill you just because - and if he does and he's tagged then your clan should do something about it. If they don't, then find a new clan.
I'd willingly take that chance just to keep the farmers out of pvp.
But will it?
It may not solve the problem but it would help at least a bit, so like I said, I'm more than happy to flag when rezzing.
This is a pvp game. Healers are not exempt from that. If you remember, back in C1 we didn't even flag when healing purple players. Lots of people freaked when they introduced the flag upon heal, but do you hear people complaining now? No. I know flagging when rezzing a person who is "wartagged" and who you might not know is engaged in a war is slightly different but so what? Would it be so hard for NCsoft to give the rezzer a message warning them that the player is involved in a war? Not at all.
As an EE, I would not mind flagging while rezzing someone in a clan war. In fact I think it's a good idea.
There is a difference between "rezzing in a clan war" and "rezzing a wartagged person".
OK, let me rephrase since you seem to be so completely **** about it.
I would not mind flagging when I rezzed ANYBODY, white, red, purple, clanned, unclanned, warred, neutral, bot, etc. Flag me, I DON'T CARE.
It could be OK in some situations (say, where you are in the KoS lists of a good half of the server; or if you don't really rez anyone except your friends, which seems to be your personal case), but is not good as a general attitude for an EE. You are responsible for your group's survivability, and your group is weaker when you are flagged.
The only people who I think this would hurt would be the "neutral" healers, healers in clans who don't pvp much. I'm already wearing a big "PK ME" sign on my head because of my clan/ally, so it's not like it would matter if I were flagged or not.
This "PK ME" sign is still for your declared enemies only. Not for some random griefers.
My point with the "PK ME" sign is that I'm always expecting pvp, always on the lookout.
But it has nothing to do with the "while rezzing" thing. If you don't mind being flagged, just say so.
What the heck is a random griefer? I mean, do you live in a box? Is your server empty?
Come on! If there is something I see and you don't, I am expected to ask you if you live in a box. And you are expected to ask about the stuff I am smoking. Ok?
In my case, there's no such thing as a random griefer because anyone untagged has the potential to be an alt of my enemey. I don't trust untagged people or people in clans whose names I don't recognize. If you do then I guess you're not as involved in server politics/pvp as I am.
Well, I play an average of a couple hours a week for the last several months. How can you expect me to be involved in server politics?
But this change would still affect the people I currently rez in these hours.
And seriously, how likely is it that some random person is going to kill you just 'cause your flagged? I mean honestly, the server you describe sounds like my server... in C1. We don't have random griefers, random PKers any more. Not at the high levels anyway.
You don't need to be high level to play Lineage 2.
I'd willingly take that chance just to keep the farmers out of pvp.
But will it?
It may not solve the problem but it would help at least a bit, so like I said, I'm more than happy to flag when rezzing.
I don't yet see how it could help at all.
This is a pvp game. Healers are not exempt from that. If you remember, back in C1 we didn't even flag when healing purple players. Lots of people freaked when they introduced the flag upon heal, but do you hear people complaining now? No.
I did flag when healing mobs and PKs in C1, I see no problem with that. And I understand why the changes were made, and what they solved (and don't forget to take into account the added CP). But I don't see a problem that is solved when a healer flags when rezzing a wartagged person - no, just the opposite.
I know flagging when rezzing a person who is "wartagged" and who you might not know is engaged in a war is slightly different but so what? Would it be so hard for NCsoft to give the rezzer a message warning them that the player is involved in a war? Not at all.
Considering the behavior of their current rezzing pop-up... the less pop-ups they add, the better.
That is just plain dumb.
So if I am soloing in a cat and at war with a nobody clan, borrowing buffs from the people down the hall and I die, i wont be able to ask them for a rez because they dont want to flag? I wouldnt blame them for not doing it. ANYONE CAN KILL THEM.
On seig we have a clan that chooses to accept war when they have you overpowered and they know that they could kill you. So you die, they dont and when you bring in your box or a friend to come give you a % rez that is untagged they kill them too because hey i declared war on the bots. Lets just make sure that all rezzers regardless of circumstance can get killed for that. As far s griefing. If you rez someone that is dead friend or not with your box and I walk buy... Free pvp point and I am not the only one. Who would protect the healer from the rest of the world ? No one, because they are unbuffed they dont stand a chance.
stupid idea imo. this wont hurt bots ( they dont care if they die remeber) this will only hurt the live legit players thats it.