From reading a lot of posts on L2Blah I get the sense that Uprising basically calls the shots on this server and that there is no one or alliance or clan that can give them a run for thier money.
As a new player who doesn't know the different personalities of the clan/alliance leadership on Bartz...
Who are the clans on Bartz with good solid leadership that
are organized enough to do raids and siege castles but don't have the elitist attitude?
There are few other clans/allies but if they show any signs of gaining strength they'll most likely be placed into a war situation with political manuevering by UR. You may want to try another server that can offer more equally strong clans that will keep the server balanced. If that is what you are looking for.
The Uprising leader is a very nice and not-power hungry guy though! While there isn't very much competition, Uprising shares raid bosses with everyone else and any castles they take from enemies that aren't their original castles (they have 2), they give away the next siege weekend.
The Uprising leader is a very nice and not-power hungry guy though! While there isn't very much competition, Uprising shares raid bosses with everyone else and any castles they take from enemies that aren't their original castles (they have 2), they give away the next siege weekend.
You guys act like we're so bad. :(
Id like to know where in my comment i said anything about power hunger or raid bosses? Talk about sticking your own foot in your mouth. ;)
There are few other clans/allies but if they show any signs of gaining strength they'll most likely be placed into a war situation with political manuevering by UR. You may want to try another server that can offer more equally strong clans that will keep the server balanced. If that is what you are looking for.
Imo your saying the big orc is power hungry. You need to read what u said buddy.
It's a valid none aggresive comment stating the obvious history thus far, defensive much ^^? I neither said it was bad/evil thing to do, nor that a particular person/clan was power hungry for taking these actions. Also with no reference about your leader in any form. Nice try.
Uprising says they want compition and a balanced server.. but they pre-emptivly war any clan that gets close enough to give them a challange...
Their idea of sharing a raid boss.. is they get it as often as they want and whenever they want. everyone else gets it the few times they dont have the #'s and if you show up or are camping it.. they will kill you to get it themselves..
Dont believe the UR propaganda.. they try to hold the server in an iron grip and smash any possible threat all the while saying how fair and benevolent they are
I'm sure that the leader for Uprising is an awesome guy, or else how else could he make such a powerful guild.
The problem is for a new player joining the server - it's LOL > Uprising > all others.
Not much to look forward to. So as I originally posted, what are the options? There must be other good clans or alliances that have good leadership out there, that maybe are just underneath the radar.
I think this post could help other players like me, that would rather join the underdog.
oh also, if you don't want to post here I certainly understand -especially if you are a well known toon on the server - you can pm me the answers if you like.
Uprising says they want compition and a balanced server.. but they pre-emptivly war any clan that gets close enough to give them a challange...
Their idea of sharing a raid boss.. is they get it as often as they want and whenever they want. everyone else gets it the few times they dont have the #'s and if you show up or are camping it.. they will kill you to get it themselves..
Dont believe the UR propaganda.. they try to hold the server in an iron grip and smash any possible threat all the while saying how fair and benevolent they are
Every story has 2 sides ~~
As for the raidbosses: in a period of 2 weeks, we do 4-5 raids.
This actually doesnt sound to me like we play the potential of our alliance fully out.
See people cry about us doing Baium every 10 days and dont even bother to try antqueen which has a compareable unique item as reward.
As you refere to the recently ended wars:
Killing Evolution at DVC Heart, you might want to understand that they were looking for a reason to war us and droped the war they had with Vampires right when our people start popping up at heart.
As for the war with Avenge; tensions were created prior the war was declared.
See, as we are one of the bartz-powerhouses for quite some time now, we will try to save our share of the desireable rewards in highlevel content of this game. It doesnt mean there is nothing left to other alliances when it comes to raiding.
Yes, we are a rather PvP-activ alliance. Since we fought almost ever highlevel alliance in this chronicle, it is quite understandable that people dislike us to some certain extent.
People actually decided months ago if they like or dislike us.
If we are as powerful as people claim, leveling up, organisation in the alliance etc to take UR down could be a reason to keep your account activ.
If we are as powerful as people claim, leveling up, organisation in the alliance etc to take UR down could be a reason to keep your account activ.
You say this knowing full well that you'll attack those that start organising and getting stronger before they are fully capable of giving UR an even fight. Some members of UR have gone to extreme lengths to provide upper hands for wars, etc. that have led out of game. So ok you will use any tool to fight, ok you'll attack pre-emptively to guarantee UR victory (Why allow enemy to get stronger understood). The thing that makes people dislike UR is the hypocritical antics it or its players use to play with the server.
I can understand UR and "Some" of the tactics it uses they aren't against the game parameters. Don't tell everyone to "do" something about it, when most of the server knows you wont allow it anyway. Maybe Bartz needs to approach this differently than it has, we'll see. UR will use it's strength as it sees fit, heck who am I or anyone else to tell them how to play, but on the flip side UR needs the other players on this server, this game isn't 100% pvp based. UR needs the economy like anyone else they can't be totally self-sufficient, and showing disconcerned attitude towards the rest of the server? We'll also see where this leads UR.
There's a difference between "attacking those that start organising and getting stronger" and attacking those who actively plot against us.
Saying we'll attack just anyone who builds up is just not true. We can take multiple clans as examples:
Avenge: The Avenge alliance had been around since day 1 of retail, and has had the same leader and most of the same members the entire period. So you are saying, after two years, just starting to organize and get stronger?
Nexuz: The Nexuz alliance had been around for a long time as well, and had been a long time partner with Avenge in terms of castle sieges and raids. They declared on Uprising by their own free will because they wanted to help Avenge.
Evolution: This was a relatively new alliance, it had been around for a month or two before the war. However, as they admitted themselves, they showed up to Antharas knowing that we were going to be there, as they were looking for a reason to jump into the war to aid Avenge.
Now, we can look at recently new and growing alliances who we leave alone:
Awakening: They were recently reborn from the clan Reload, who is currently building up a nice active playerbase. Untouched by UR.
Conviction: An alliance formed after Dawn lost it's leader, who's now fighting TD with LL. Completely untouched by UR.
Vestige: Another newer alliance, who's growing up very well, who does a lot of the higher raid bosses. Untouched by UR.
Vampires: A german alliance, raided with UR in the past, fought with Evolution until Evo ended the war in preparation to fighting UR. Untouched by UR.
No Compromise: A quiet alliance, has participated in a lot of sieges. Untouched by UR.
There are quite a number of other alliances out there too that could've been mentioned. Uprising likes competition, and after taking on three very large "top" alliances on at once and defeating them easily... I think UR overestimated the server, and is now going to step back a bit to let people grow so we can have competition.
UR isn't cramping anyone's progress. What, we don't let others do raid bosses? We need them ourselves, we already share what we could (forcibly) do 100% ourselves (Antharas/Baium/Lillith), and we let people do what they want with castles (we hold onto two ourselves, and any others we take from any enemy that we fight we give away).
I understand where you're coming from, but you need to look at it from our point of view as well. There are many many many people who'd be abusing their power worse than UR does.
You neeed to rethink what "plotting" means. People discussing or mouthing off about UR in a private forum is not plotting. Im sure UR "discusses" other clans or mouths off about them in its personal forums, yet you wouldnt deem it "plotting" that would be....silly.
Yes Avenge was around from beginning retail, but you knew perfectly well that it had gotten over 2 wars and was regrouping. Rebuilding it's strength, you even posted that you were attacking Avenge while it wasn't strong enough yet to diminish the threat for the future. It's to get into another forum war over this dead and beaten horse, both sides know what was done and what was said.
Yes there are alot of alliances that you may leave alone, and there are some alliances that you actively go seeking trouble with, like the war with Vengeance. Don't forget Vengeance never made any "public" posts regarding that war, but UR sure did.
I don't believe UR about anything they say. They own all the castles on the server, and will attack ANYONE that even attempts to take on of their precious money makers. They want certain people out of the hero competition, and only their people be allowed hero status. It is pretty amusing to see certain UR members not make hero for the month, and not log in for the entire month becuase they didn't get hero.
As far as raid bosses, well UR has the status on that one too. If they want the raid boss they will just PK you if you even attempt it when they come and get it. The Lord of Lords clan being the only exception to this rule since LOL is in UR's back pocket.
Trust me man, you do not want to be on this server. The only way that UR will be beaten is if the whole server bans together to hit them, and well I don't see that happening beucase everyone is too chicken to fight them. Of course, the just might try and read more private forums to achieve their goal.
You neeed to rethink what "plotting" means. People discussing or mouthing off about UR in a private forum is not plotting. Im sure UR "discusses" other clans or mouths off about them in its personal forums, yet you wouldnt deem it "plotting" that would be....silly.
Yes Avenge was around from beginning retail, but you knew perfectly well that it had gotten over 2 wars and was regrouping. Rebuilding it's strength, you even posted that you were attacking Avenge while it wasn't strong enough yet to diminish the threat for the future. It's to get into another forum war over this dead and beaten horse, both sides know what was done and what was said.
Not going to argue, because you're stating things that have already been disproven. You sound like Zondrea. o.o
And Xanatos is just making stuff up. :P Like we own all the castles, lol.
Anyway, to the original poster, listen to both sides and then make your decision, and GL!
Aside from owning all the castles, I have yet to see anything which disproves much else of what Xanatos has said. Theres no doubt that Uprising is a political powerhouse on this server. There is also little doubt that they don't "allow" for much competition for that position either.
Aside from owning all the castles, I have yet to see anything which disproves much else of what Xanatos has said. Theres no doubt that Uprising is a political powerhouse on this server. There is also little doubt that they don't "allow" for much competition for that position either.
Allow me to dissect it for you then. o.o
I don't believe UR about anything they say. They own all the castles on the server, and will attack ANYONE that even attempts to take on of their precious money makers. They want certain people out of the hero competition, and only their people be allowed hero status. It is pretty amusing to see certain UR members not make hero for the month, and not log in for the entire month becuase they didn't get hero.
We only own two castles, give away any others that we take. And we attack people who attack our castles? ORLY? We don't want anyone out of hero competiton except those like explode & frake who are perfectly capable of fighting on their own but chose instead to only be fed points and never fighting a real match and earning it like everyone else. I don't understand what you mean by the last sentence, because that hasn't happened, so I'll leave it alone.
As far as raid bosses, well UR has the status on that one too. If they want the raid boss they will just PK you if you even attempt it when they come and get it. The Lord of Lords clan being the only exception to this rule since LOL is in UR's back pocket.
What raid bosses? We share all the big raid bosses with all the other major powers on the server. And LOL @ LoL being in our back pocket, we've fought them more than most.
Trust me man, you do not want to be on this server. The only way that UR will be beaten is if the whole server bans together to hit them, and well I don't see that happening beucase everyone is too chicken to fight them. Of course, the just might try and read more private forums to achieve their goal.
I doubt the server now could band up against UR and beat them. But it's not as though we abuse our power, which was the point.
Next time you make a post you'll want to stop blatantly lying and making stuff up and you'll do better. ^^
We only own two castles, give away any others that we take. And we attack people who attack our castles? ORLY? We don't want anyone out of hero competiton except those like explode & frake who are perfectly capable of fighting on their own but chose instead to only be fed points and never fighting a real match and earning it like everyone else. I don't understand what you mean by the last sentence, because that hasn't happened, so I'll leave it alone.
Whatever, your alliance maybe not you has already threatened several people on this server not to be fed points so they can win the hero competition yet last night during the compettition Yes YOU Aezen were being fed points, however you are perfectly capable of figtting your own competitons so why you are u being fed?? As far as the castles go, well I admit to being mistaken, however if sees that an alliance takes more than one castle UR takes the castles back so once again they have no competition. Both of these have been done in the past and can be proven. Don't be a hypocrite!
What raid bosses? We share all the big raid bosses with all the other major powers on the server. And LOL @ LoL being in our back pocket, we've fought them more than most.
Your allaince doesn't share raid bosses such as Bauim or Antharas. If any other allaince camps bauim or Antharas and you feel that the boss is yours, you kill the other clan/alliance that is there or has been camped there for sometime. As far as LoL your allaince has been seen conceding a raid boss to them instead of killing them. You may not beleive that your alliance is not noticed in what it does, but UR is being watched.
Trust me man, you do not want to be on this server. The only way that UR will be beaten is if the whole server bans together to hit them, and well I don't see that happening beucase everyone is too chicken to fight them. Of course, the just might try and read more private forums to achieve their goal.
I doubt the server now could band up against UR and beat them. But it's not as though we abuse our power, which was the point.
I don' doubt that the entire sever of level 76+ characters can take UR off the server it is just a matter of them actually wanting to do it. There are more 76+ characters that dislike UR than actually like them, and with the numbers that don't like them the math is self explanatory.
Next time you make a post you'll want to stop blatantly lying and making stuff up and you'll do better. ^^
FYI, I do know what I am talking about Aezen. I know who you are and I know what you and your alliance are capable of doing. Trust is something earned, and that is something UR will never earn from Bartz. It has been proven time and time again that UR has and will continue to strong arm any opposition, its just a matter of time til they find the next alliance that is close to getting too strong.
Yes YOU Aezen were being fed points, however you are perfectly capable of figtting your own competitons so why you are u being fed??
I fight my own fights. ^^ Obviously you don't know what you're talking about.
And you can know Uprising, or myself, but that's not the point. The point is, your view is very biased (even to the point of blatantly making things up that aren't true) while I'm trying to show our side of it as well.
And if you want to find an alliance that's close in power to us, check out TD.
And you can know Uprising, or myself, but that's not the point.
Actually that is the point. Thats what he is basing all of statements on. You guys may not know it, but alot of the server considers Uprising just as much an enemy of the Server as LoL.
In all truth, you have to take what all the UR members who are posting with a grain of salt. I really saw little truth within their statements, but you have to consider the fact that they are secure in there power, and will sugercoat anything to keep it that way. They are directly or indirectly in control of most things that go on, and will not take no for an answer. They have a major hand in most sieges, raids, hero competions, and any other events of importance. More often then not, if you take a look in on the Hero competions, you will see UR members "fighting" each other simply to rack up their points. They do what they want, when they want and unfortunatly no one can do much about it. Sure, you can through a bone in their direction for the creation of the powerhouse they are, but it really limits the growth of the server. In addition, I find it hard to believe that an alliance that is pretty much completely 75+ on every single character, and has had a pretty limitless supply of top gear even before their domination of high raids are as truthful as they want us to believe. Im sorry, but it seems rather unlikely...
Who are the clans on Bartz with good solid leadership that
are organized enough to do raids and siege castles but don't have the elitist attitude?
Thanks all.
Just go read l2blah and you be the judge who has the elitist attittude. Maybe you should try Franz Zigmund. Everything you said is true, no matter what they say.
There's a difference between "attacking those that start organising and getting stronger" and attacking those who actively plot against us.
Saying we'll attack just anyone who builds up is just not true.
So you're trying to say Avenge was "plotting" against Uprising? You downloaded our private forums through a backdoor and posted them on Uprisings website, then posted portions of them on Blah to justify your actions.
The only thing Avenge's leadership stated was that they were "concerned" about Uprising. I guess those concerns have been validated through your actions.
Avenge surrendered and removed our war status, and Uprising continued to pk us because we couldn't meet their surrender "terms".
They claim to want a "competetive" server, but you be the judge.
Well right now, most of the heroes aren't in uprising. That heroes of legend with hostility and kkthx, and some others, seems to be one of the biggest right now. Uprising used to be really big, I dont think it is so much now.
With all respect, what do you expect? "Grain of Salt"; of cause we clearly defend our side.
But, good friend, keep in mind that we fought almost every highlevel alliance on this server atleast once this chronicle. On a sidenote, most of them were capable to take a castle so we were not fighting some "young" newcommer alliances. People dislike us because they have been defeated by us. Maybe you are even one of them. So it is not hard to imagine that a large proportion of Bartz wont clap hands to what we do or dont do regardless what it is.
To break it down for you; players on Bartz have made the decission to like or to dislike us a long time ago.
But now what. Mostcertainly, we dont influence the gameplay of 95% of the Bartz-population at all. If you dont hunt in Imperial Tomb, you will mostlikely not even see us out of town.
Raids? Who is actually capable to do Antharas? Like 4 or 5 alliances if they team up? Maybe. None on thier own? For sure. You always point at us when it comes to those Bosses (Baium Antharas). The****ed take every 2nd spawn and are in that matter as much as a PowerHouse as we are. If you want to go for a spawn they plan to raid, im pretty sure they will welcome you with the same warm fuzzy love as we did to Evolution. What about Queen Ant and Zakens? You will never see us at those raids. To good for that??? Ahh yes, thats what I thought.
If we so dominating in the HeroCompetition as you claim, wouldnt we have more heros? I think the number of eight heros matches our share of nobless.
Sieges; no siege without war. We only influence the other sieges held on the server by freeing a castle we took form our enemies.
Most of our players are 75+,yes, but we havent always been in top equipment. Just take a look at our first PvP-vids, 75s with 75 subclass in B-grade. Im sure you wont believe it, but have a look at for example Shinubu and VK fighting during the THoR-war (you will find ~80% of us using B-grade if you look carefully at DVC-fights and the Giran-siege).
Anyway. Im sure you will find you Grain of Salt in this post, actually i expect it. You may find the presence of UR unpleasant; thats something a "powerhouse" (if we really are) has to deal with. I, for my part, think that
you all focus to much on what UR does instead of keeping an eye on what the game has to offer.
Believe me we'd love nothing else than to "enjoy" what this game has to offer, keep UR members off other websites and stop causing drama; be a great way to stop drawing attention. Most people don't care if you are a powerhouse etc. we care about the means to an end always used to justify the unjustifiable. Everyone on this server is in a way or another indirectly related or fully responsible for questionable behavior, no not just UR. But UR is unliked by me anyway for telling others they cant do something yet UR does it themselves. My tough yeah but I'll voice it. I know a good portion of UR members are nice people, but some of its members have cuased damage beyond gameplay and the fact they are defended for it? Well when they turn those tactics on you later down the road cause you aren't giving them what they want anymore, then you'll understand more I guess.
You think of things in completely the wrong context. :(
Logging into my admin account which curiously still existed to check out the web-site will not be repeated, that was stated a long time ago. But, as ever, you guys cling onto that like flys stuck to that old flycatching tape stuff.
Aeze your good at digging your own grave, and that of your fellow alliance. Keep it up your doing a wonderful job.
I'm not sure entirely sure what you mean by that, but I don't see how posting my opinion allowing others to see Uprising's point of view as well and then make their own decisions about the server's current political status is digging anything.
And all I was saying by that last post was, Avenge seems to like to very strongly cling onto and remember bad things done to them (like people reading their forums), but they seem to very easily forget bad things they had done to others, like Aedowen recalling accounts at war with Avenge in the first UR war, and then point their finger at the "bad guy" when they are no better themselves. :o
Avenge is dead now, this is an old topic, back to Uprising and how they control the server!
Aeze your good at digging your own grave, and that of your fellow alliance. Keep it up your doing a wonderful job.
I'm not sure entirely sure what you mean by that, but I don't see how posting my opinion allowing others to see Uprising's point of view as well and then make their own decisions about the server's current political status is digging anything.
And all I was saying by that last post was, Avenge seems to like to very strongly cling onto and remember bad things done to them (like people reading their forums), but they seem to very easily forget bad things they had done to others, like Aedowen recalling accounts at war with Avenge in the first UR war, and then point their finger at the "bad guy" when they are no better themselves. :o
Avenge is dead now, this is an old topic, back to Uprising and how they control the server!
That's a bad thing to throw at Avenge considering you couldnt let go and used many of the past things to throw at members to gain their sympathy during the war. Besides I remember saying everyone not just UR is responsible for some sort of bad behavior :o. I also never recall naming you as the perpetraitor for the forum incident this is what Xanatos means by you digging your own grave.
Actions speak far louder than anything we say here Aezen. Im a nonfactor in this game as I should be and you will be one to me.
UR ain't so bad, sure we fought over a few raid boss's ...we had been takin lilith for a while, it was when we tried to do antharas to gain crystals when UR didn't like that LOL, but yes other then UR the farmers own the raid boss's
orm's not so bad.
if it wasn't for the fact that my account expires on the 6th, id attempt to join UR.
Well i guest this is like C2-C3 era with Red Knights... im guesting eventually well all work together and destroy UR ...... or we can sit and watch them control everything.....
I'm impressed how fine forum drama is on this server. Aeze and others posts are nice too read even I'm not playing on bartz. I m pretty surprised you don't have our Gustin's craptalkers (killed?).
Oh course Aeze's posts are nice to read, they want those who do not have a strong opinion yet, or simply dont know better, to believe what they say. Nice on the relativly pointless boards... not so nice in game. I have to say Ive yet to meet a kind and unarrogant UR member. Their motto say's it all...
You have been thrown into this chaos. However, unlike the ordinary people who pray each day for safety, you have the power to protect yourself. In Lineage II, developing a character is not an end in itself. Rather, it is your instrument to obtain the power to enforce your will in this world. Seize your destiny! Your own hand will write the history of this world.
Taken from the official gamedescription. Isnt "Seize your destiny!" the same as "Because we can"? Of cause not, but the intention behind the motto is.
And dont worry, we are all nice and handsome, maybe just not to you, Dashammer.
Aezen = UR Propoganda Dept.
UR motto: Because we can
Aeze = UR member with his own opinons that he wants to present department! Propoganda is for blah!
Wrong! You spread propoganda no matter where you go. Why because Aeze has to be the CENTER of attention.
That too! :D
****** nerve still a little bit twingey?
Seriously though, I don't see what the problem is with showing people both sides of a story though. Generally that's accepted to be a good thing, right?
youre horrible aeze..and for the record:evo just wanted to kill antharas/and we went there to stake it out first. you guys flagged first. thats when we knew it was on. we were hoping you guys would show some respect in that matter but greed gets the best of ppl. anyhoo, i can post screenshots but that topic dead and gone. just another side of the story. Dont listen to aeze though..he is a a cyber terrorst. Hide your children!
youre horrible aeze..and for the record:evo just wanted to kill antharas/and we went there to stake it out first. you guys flagged first. thats when we knew it was on. we were hoping you guys would show some respect in that matter but greed gets the best of ppl. anyhoo, i can post screenshots but that topic dead and gone. just another side of the story. Dont listen to aeze though..he is a a cyber terrorst. Hide your children!
Let's ignore the ventrilo conversation that was posted on blah where you said you were looking for another reason to fight us other than to just help Avenge! :D
I was once in an alliance that broke up after fighting Uprising and I say the problem is not with Uprising but with the people in clans on the Bartz server. People need to remember that this is a game and the game is all about competition. If most of the weak-kneed people in these clans would grow a pair and stop logging out after the first few big fights then maybe the clans can grow stronger in the end. I agree with Nhoz, part of the fun of this server should be the fact that there has been no ally yet who has taken down Uprising. Isnt that something worth shooting for? Hell if they got a hard enough fight and you took their castles, they'd probably thank you for it!
I really love this motto, UR has a lot of respect on our server. Being in a similar situation, as the strongest pvp alliance on our server we face a lot of hate.
UR, no mattter how strong they are, are eventually going to get beat, just like every other clan thats been in power for any extended period of time. Plus, the next strongest clans/alliances still compete with each other. I am very happy with the way things are going on bartz really.
(I didnt read all 6 pages, but I think im still on topic....)
I didnt really mind UR at all until I ran into a few members of theirs here and there while grinding my lowbie and they dont even say hello when you say hi. People with no manners or assume they are too good to say hello to someone are pretty crappy people in my book.
lol Uprising doesnt own anything... Ignore the fools from Avenge who got beatin into submission... Ignore the fools UR has run over... they are a very simple alliance to deal with... you stay out of my way i'll stay out of yours... I have never once seen them go out of thier way to piss someone off... If you show up at a raid boss they are at they will try to take it same as you should be doing... if you can beat them do it... if you cant try you might get lucky... Bartz is imo the best server because there is so much fighting inside and out... every clan is warring atleast one other. Hell ive seen alt clans war eachother lol thats funny stuff :p
UR doesn't **** sunshine and happiness. Neither does anybody else. And top alliances don't get there by obeying the rules.
At this stage of the game L2 is just a contest of who can farm the most points in the Oly so they can turn around and feed them to their allymates, who can accurately judge what alliances will end up being worrisome when they gear up and hit your level, and who's got the pockets deep enough to buy enough adena to back up their clan.
This is a game of who can cheat more efficiently. If you think "playing Lineage 2 nicely" has anything to do with being the pinnacle of morality, good for you, don't start cheating yourself, but just let go of the fact your declared enemies probably do. You'll give yourself an aneurysm if you keep caring so much. They're not going to hell because they cheat their hides off and pretend they don't. You're not going to heaven because you play the game legitimately. Sorry.
Besides which, this IS a game. They own pixels. They won't always own them. Play Tetris if you're getting this upset over a bunch of kids who own a MMORPG server because they haven't seen the sun in two years, because if you keep getting this emotionally involved, you won't be part of whatever force rises to unseat the current power.
I'm not exonerating them or anyone else, just stating something that everybody seems to be missing (or glossing over) here :) I want UR to be around for a long time, personally. I also hope I get the opportunity to fight UR before the next big alliance crawls out of the mud and obliterates them. Being pitted against a bunch of ruthless ******** is the best.