what is best for a bd in a grade

talum heavy or majestic heavy??
and kesh duals or damascus duals?

This is a very good question I recently made A grade on my BD as well. I narrowed it down to 2 choices for myself.
1) Do I want to be a speed freak – that would be tallum and kesh*kesh
2) Do I want to do my own thing – tallum and dam*dam

Now let’s look at the benefits of each
1) Tallum - +8% attack speed, 80% poison and bleed resist and weight penalty reduced.
Kesh*kesh - +8% attack speed, patk base 259
This set up awesome to see in action my lvl 68 BD friend uses this one. If you hunt in the catacombs a lot I recommend tallum for the poison resistances.
2) tallum – same as above
Dam*dam - +6 to accuracy, patk base 282
I use this setup because I could no afford +4 duals or afford to blow up my dauls OE’ing them. So I went for max damage output.

My final opinon is if you can afford a complete unsealed set of tallum and kesh*kesh +4 or better you should take that set up. If you can’t get it all, buy the dam*dam and unsealed tallum heavy.

But I may be a lunatic and not know what I’m talking about.

P.S. i can not comment on Majestic because i've never used it, and i've only ever seen one BD in it.

First of all try asking questions in apropriet section of the forum ;)

I've been using Tallum and I love it. The attack speed bonus is nice, the bleed resistance comes in handy a lot more often than I thought it would, and it looks totally sweet. :p

As far as the duals go, Kesh*Kesh > Dama*Dama. Haste is far more useful than accuracy, since at higher levels you aren't going to be missing much at all anyway. For the record, I prefer to use oe'ed Tsu*Sls since BD crits hurt a whole lot, so the more the merrier.

I agree with Azrealicus. Tallum Heavy and oe'd TSU*SLS is a great combination for a BD.

This is a question of preference. Since I started playing I’ve always tried out all the sets available to me at each grade, minus any sets that were obviously not built, in any way, for a BD (like DC heavy). It’s hard to recommend a set to anyone because it is really based on personal play style, but after trying both Tallum and Majestic I preferred Majestic. Tallum was great for attack speed, but I like the patk and accuracy of the Majestic coupled with the stun resist (I have a -9 con build on my tats). As for the duals, again, a matter of preference, I see some BDs in Nightmare with health duals and con tats and all sorts of variations. My personal belief is that haste or focus is the only option for a BD, and since we don’t have focus duals in A grade I use kesh*kesh.

My current build: Majestic, +8 dual kesh, +5 dex +4 str – 9 con. My tallum build was the same tats but with +7 dual damas. I’ve pvped several times in both and seem to be more successful with the majestic build.

both tallum and majestic is nice. but I think tallum has a slightly upper hand. about the wep, you should go OEd tsu*sls. kesh*kesh may be nice, but at least for PvE they are np good. if you like to PvP I think kesh*kesh are better.

Hold the phone.

If you want to pve a lot, then kesh*kesh +4 and talum are your only real choices if you want to be a real damage dealer.

However, if you want to pvp get yourself a pair of Kesh*dama +4.

Trust me taht +25% to hp can make up for that -4 or -9 or - whatever amount of con you have on your bd ( i just have a +4 str -4 con tat on my bd

here are some SS's

With Zerk (http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3305/shot00343xc7.jpg)

Without Zerk (http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7318/shot00342kc7.jpg)

Now, if i had talum, or Maj, this would be a pretty good pvp setup for a bd.

Now, as a BD, you should also get a Bow for pvp.

You WILL crit a LOT with a bow, and hard as hell

Here is a SS of me with a bow.

Bow P.atk etc (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8451/shot00344di9.jpg)

Here is an example of how hard you will crit with a Bow (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5305/shot00345vr0.jpg) as compared to Duals (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9693/shot00346fd3.jpg)

Hope this helped.

*blinks*

ummm lol no, 8% attack speed duals are not better for pvp or pve than crit duals. Since there are no A grade crit duals your best option is still +4 or above tsu*sls. Also, the hp bonus is just silly for any bd.

The bow stuff is true though.

Sorry but the HP bonus is NOT silly.

Your real job as a BD is to stay alive and keep up dances and let the archers/nukers do the damage.

If you wanted to be pvp uber then you picked the wrong class.

I think the suggestion for Health duals ONLY IF your BD has -CON, (and DE having the lowest CON anyway) is a GREAT idea. BD's always complain that the die too fast in PvP, either stop going -CON or get Health Duals to counter your weakness rather then boost your already incredible strengths.

IMO your real job as a bd is to keep dancing and be a secondary DD. A healers job is to keep you alive, learn your class nub!

The faster you accept your role as almost a pure buffer in pvp the easier its going to be. 25% hp bonus really isnt going to do much for you and if you are dying without the 25% bonus in pve odds are you are probably dying with the bonus too.

Besides, higher crit with VR means you are getting healed for more over time anyway and need less from healers. Of course people can play their bd how they want but some ways are more appropriate than others.

Also, style can play a large part on your BD. If you want A grade duals by all means get them. 8% attack speed is still a good bonus. Personally, I use Nightmare*Nightmare +6 w/ crit bonus because thats what I like.

You cant tell people to learn their class when the sentence you say before - and you claim it as - is your opinion.

In MY opinion a class should be able a certain range of variety, people complain there isnt enough, thats because people think theres only ONE way to play your class 'right'.

By getting health duals, your simply keeping YOURSELF alive, thats the job of EVERY class to some degree, not making - in my OPINION - the decision to take away 9 of a Dark Elf's already Lowest fighter CON and add it to your already highest STR or 2nd highest DEX. I guess im referring it more to Tanks though even though i shouldnt be.

Im just saying =P

I was joking, thats why I had the sentence after saying that everyone can play their class how they like and its not up to me.

Also, I believe that +4 dex is not a useful tat for most builds and that the 4 con does you much better and then get crit duals.

Pff thats why u edit it then tell us your joking. lol

edit: I edited it right after I posted because I didnt want it to come off harsh and I wanted to add a bit more explanation thats all.

i am not sure BD have good damage output still the 25% health bonus not going to change a lot you class made to die quick with or without 25% more health so logic go to Damage out put while you need to buff your health what good is it if you draw anger anytime and you cant counter it???

talum heavy or majestic heavy??
and kesh duals or damascus duals?

depends what u wanna do. as a 77 bd ive done most of the xping i would ever want to so i switched to pvp setup. i have maj heavy with kesh*dama. no tats i get 6.5k hp without the sws song. with this setup i get stun resis, the hp bonus, good p attack, and good pdef.

in pvp im not the one charging in head on but more of laying back and picking off people and letting the real dd's take care of stuff. keep dances up at all costs. but since most bd's think they r da bomb and wanna take eveyone on with -10 con and whine about why they died, dont expect to live.

However if u do want a pve setup go with tallum heavy and kesh*kesh. got me to 77 and all u gotta make sure is to stay away from stunning mobs.
Thats my 2 cents. :D

However if u do want a pve setup go with tallum heavy and kesh*kesh. got me to 77 and all u gotta make sure is to stay away from stunning mobs.

I agree with most of every one here.

there are many different set ups you can take to your BD.

the options are close to unlimited.

Personally I'm play a BD on PTS ATM to test it for live and see how it works..so far I'm liking it alot!

just to give some back ground on my toon. cerrently useing: Tillum heavy(main peice +2), and +1 sls. almost lvl 73.and I intend to get kesh*kesh soon. no tattoos.

I've gotten up to 660 atk speed with out a SA with PP/CH buffs and dance of furry.

with +4 sls duals I could hit over 700 atk speed if full PP/CH buffs.

And I think if I get +4 kesh, I'd be geting close to 800 or so maybe over it.

I'd agree how ever that PvE wise Tsu*sls is best cause: it's got the best P atk for last possible crt SA duals cerrently in game.(nightmare duals have a lower P atk)

With sls duals I have 118 crt with buffs. in fact let me list it as is:

unbuffed: P. atk- 683, P. df- 780, acc- 109, crt- 91, atk spd. 400, M atk- 204, M.df n/a, eva- 106, spd- 139, cast spd. 226.
HP = 3465, MP = 1441, CP = 1732 (keep in mind I'm 72 and no tattoo's, tillum heavy set up,+1 sls duals) no dances up!

fully buffed CH(aden hall): P. atk- 818, P.df- 822, acc- 113, crt- 109, atk spd. 496, M. atk- 368, M df. N/A, eva- 102, spd. 180, cast spd 281. HP = 4678, MP = 1922, CP ramains unchanged. (WW,shield, M sheild, Might, btb 6, M bar, resist stun, btb 6, zerk 2, guid 3, VR 4, acu 1, haste 1, focus 1, dw 1, emp 1)

Now with this added to it from my SE focus 3, DW 3, emp 3...crt 118, M atk 415. (with out zerk but just emp 3, M atk- 358)

And with fire, furry, war dances = P. atk- 901, atk spd. 571.(cause I only had haste 1, it's still low..would be 660 W/ haste 2)

I wish I could help ya frother.

I'm runing atk speed set up..and having issues with getting the gear needed for this test it.

I like the atk speed.. do hella dmg..but if I could crt more I'd do alot more dmg...you can look it two ways 1: you crt more, or 2: you atk faster.

with BD I think atk spd cause of VR, you want to keep that up..yet crt's deal more dmg and those return more to you from it...so it's hard to say.

I can tell ya that with another 76+ BD and sws out side PP 70/SE 64+, we can trio deciples back rooms with out needing heals. (managed to pull it off with out SS to, was a bit harder took longer to kill the mobs)

BD is a very fast lvling class and capable of dealing out a ton of DPS. only problem with them low con so you get stuned alot.(try to adviod stunners at all cost)

oh and BD's can tank..and get arrest...root/hate.

BD's can tank? HAAHAHA
I know you have your uber what ever PTS bd , but you cant effectivly tank anything. Bd's dont have a shield and they dont get hevy masteries after 40. Your also pointing out buffs that arent availble to all people. Your also going off of what is PTS and not live.

Personally I like my setup, +7 kesh*kesh maj set.
I have +4 str +2 dex another +2 str from the maj set this leaves me with no HP but as most people can agree we are not PVP gods.
I wont hesitate to take down a healer in mass pvp or go for a nuker that is preoccupied by someone else, but other than that we are a support class.
I have tried +4 dama*kesh and the extra hp is nice but not ever needed. PVP is the only time that I need the health and its not enough to keep me alive against a nuker/archer anyway.
I also have tried +10 ts*sls I was using that until the +7 keshes which took me over 1100 Patk with pp buffs. The ts*sls, fell short of any noticable damage increase during crit, probably because of its low patk, which with your dual masteries will add up consideraly.

BD's can tank? HAAHAHA
I know you have your uber what ever PTS bd , but you cant effectivly tank anything. Bd's dont have a shield and they dont get hevy masteries after 40. Your also pointing out buffs that arent availble to all people. Your also going off of what is PTS and not live.

BD has lvl 1 UD.

BD gets no more heavy masteries past 36 not 40.

Aden CH buffs are the same C3/4/5. they have not changed.

your right BD don't have sheilds..they aren't suppoused to have sheilds. and you don't need a sheild to tank a mob btw.

What is PTS is whats about to happen to live... and I don't recall nameing any buffs out side of GM/GS which is to be added in only a few days. so plz come again at me for TESTing.

BD usely but not always are in heavy. the type of tanking I ment was PvE 1 on 1 mob or sometimes multible argo 3 mobs on you. don't forget that dances act as a hate and draws argo to you.

Arrest is a new skill that roots the mob/player, and makes them target you...it is an actual hate.

I newest to party with a BD that woud lead 40-55 raids and would tank the RB. on live with in the last few mouths... he was in BW heavy(@52+).(don't forget BD has lvl 1 UD)

I've never said my BD was uber. infact my gear set up isn't uber at all. I'm just pointing out what they have can get.

I wouldn't call +1 sls*sls duals uber. or +2 tillum heavy peice nothing else ++ as uber.

I'm only posting my cerrent set up and stateing what they are capible of. I can easily tank 2-3 mobs at one time if I have to.

I still don't understand why people think PTS is a different game then live...what cause I don't have your uber +7 kesh*kesh?

or your uber ++ mejestic heavy set.

My post was ment to show to them that BD has a ton of options like atk speed set up, DD set up with - con + str/dex, hp build set up's. the list can go on.

I'd love to test Tsu*sls... but I can't..and I wouldn't be able to afford +10 tsu*sls on live just yet.

whats bad is cause BD has such a low basied con that they get stuned alot, and every lvling place post 55 has atlest 1 stuning mob. which with the neirf to sleep buffslaves will have a hard time helping to keep BD alive while soloing.(I'd love to see a passive for stun resist for BD)

Plz don't bash me again cause I was tring to help out!

Btw i found it helpful im currently deciding what the sub gonna be choice stands between TH and BD, but it helps to read some dif. setups people have tried that works and if the choice comes to bd it will be a speed bd thats for sure.

UD is an "oh crap" option always has been. You talk about tanking a raid boss and then point out that you have ud ? ya like your going to use it 10 times a raid boss. Second how do you do 40 raid boss at 52+? But hey you have ud so that must make up for para
You have agression if you have to draw agro, but on in emergencies. Ya dances pull agro if you dont know what your doing.
I call bs on just about everything you say since you dont know how to play that class. Not a direct insult to you thats just the way it is.

And what I was saying about clan hall buffs.... not everyone has access to a clan hall. what buffs are in them are irrelevent if the majority of the server doesnt have access.
Also if I am correct currently the rates on PTS are 4x xp. Ya will see this on live for sure.

BDs can tank in areas that are good at least until 75 with just VR - not sure about for after that, but that's pretty far.

VR broke too many things.

BDs can tank in areas that are good at least until 75 with just VR - not sure about for after that, but that's pretty far.

VR broke too many things.

And don’t forget at lvl 74 they get dance of vamp so stacked with VR the BD survivability continues.

ok my last post i said no tats but i had a change of heart. but if ur interested here my stats on what unbuffed and buffed looks like.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/797/unbuffedbdyf5.jpg
(self buffed)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3707/buffedbdis8.jpg
(buffed)

both rings +0, rest +3 / bp +4, boots +0, rest +3

and yeah yeah i know about the pvp score~

+0 imperial crusader set, +0 sealed tateossian jewels (necklace +2), +4 kesh/kesh, +0 drac bow w/focus.

unbuffed:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2627/cleanqi8.jpg

buffed:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7184/fffvt4.jpg

anyone that says bd can't tank is mean! prior to this i had -3 STR +5 DEX -2 CON setup for an overall kind of build (also since i'm the BD for archer party in pvp), but tonight i decided to try out -7 STR + 2 DEX +5 CON for c5; +2 DEX -2 STR to balance out the IC set bonus (+2 STR -2 DEX). demonic blade dance and arrest make it 3 skills that give enough reason to go +CON, the other being medusa.

as far as a grade goes, i'd suggest majestic heavy. i had tallum and i hated it; whenever i'd go xping or pvping i would spend most of the time stunned.

Well, +CON isn't really a tank setup for a BD, is it? o.O

i didn't go +CON to tank really. my pdef with the -3 STR +5 DEX -2 CON was only 9 less fully buffed. the reason for going +CON was so that i could survive longer in pvp for c5 with arrest, dance of medusa, & demonic blade dance.

Dude your p.atk owns hardcore.

yeah. i should get rid of IC set and just go plated leather full time.

I have been using +4 Tallum Heavy and a +4 STR and -4 CON tattoo for some time now and got **** lucky enchanting a dual TSU*SLS to +16, so with that 344 Patk I am good to go for damage and crits :)