Its a noticeable difference in bartz, our raid boss farmers are gone! Thanks to the GM team for getting this issue sorted so clans can now enjoy raiding and the new content in C5.
Oh yes, there is one thing : fix this **** pathetic economy system ! :mad:
I'm not asking to suddenly make everything affordable for everyone, it still needs to be a bit hard to get stuff, but the situation we have now is ridiculous !
That's the only weak point of the game, but it's a very weak point, and the main reason why i've already lost 3 friends in this game, cos they couldnt stand it anymore... :(
I'm more into RP so i dont really care about having Top equipment, but even for me it's really too hard to get what i want (like a Rind Leather Armor for exemple :p)
For once NCSoft, try to think about the causes and not only the effects... No wonder it's bot paradise here...
L2's economy is the most interesting I have seen in any MMO. There are something to be said for better spoils, but in the end, the state of the economy depends almost completely on the players.
The economy is not a weak point by any means - it's something that's crassly different from other games and that attracts some and repels other, just like the open PvP.
You want a set that is incredibly rare, so saying "I don't want top" is ludicrous - wear normal store-bought armour and hunt for the rind leather with a spoiler, as you were told to I believe, and you'll have it easily.
It's bot paradise here because of the open PvP, but that's a long story.
L2's economy is the most interesting I have seen in any MMO.
Well, allow me to differ :p
The Star Wars Galaxies (yes i know ;)) economy system was the most interesting i have ever seen in a MMO.
It was player-driven, 100% player-driven, no NPC shops or anything, but intelligently player-driven, not totally out of control like what we have here, and i can tell you i never ever saw a bot hunting for Credits in my 1 year of playing.
I saw some bots hunting for Imperial Points, but that's another story.
I guess there must have been some Credits-hunting bots, as there must be in every MMO, but i can swear to you that it was when i first played Lineage II that i learned you could buy game-money out of the game !
If this economy system is as good as you say it is, why are we infested with bots ? And why only in this game ? I'm not saying there are no bots in other MMO, but they dont even come close to what we have here. Why ?
I have posted counteless threads about how, in my opinion, the economy system could be fixed without changing it too much (private shops located in town houses, vendor NPC, less money-sink, better use of the Marketplace forum, ...) so i wont repeat it here, but, to me and many others (some of whom had quit because of that), it still is the weakest point of this otherwise excellent game.
(and yes, i know i have to spoil to get the Rind Leather, that's what i have been doing, i do listen to advices otherwise i wont be posting questions, it was just a kind of private joke, cos, hey, as annoying as this is it's still not a matter of life and death :))
This is the road down to a hijack. Open a thread about it elsewhere (or use search) if you wish to discuss it in full. I think I've written my opinion on this multiple times.
Well, you're right, everyone has already stated his/her opinion, and in the end nothing's gonna really change, so, back to the original post, thanx for banning the raid boss farmers :cool:
(and i hope the economy system will be better thought-out from the beginning in L3 so you wont even have to ban them, oops, sorry, couldnt help it :p)
Its a noticeable difference in bartz, our raid boss farmers are gone! Thanks to the GM team for getting this issue sorted so clans can now enjoy raiding and the new content in C5.
That is in all likelyhood not because of NCSoft, its because the bot programs aren't working quite right in C5 (the english version only)
No, can't go into details here as to why, but those are two different things.
Besides, RBFs usually don't bot - at least they don't on Devianne.
They do (also on Devianne), but in a different way.
I would be careful with popping open the champagne just yet. Wait until either NCSoft makes an announcement about it or if it persists once the "others" are fixed.
I've seen three major RBF clans disappear on Devianne, and there was never an announcement about it before. So eh. I'm not surprised about RBFs disappearing - and I wouldn't be surprised if they were back soon, maybe with new toons, ready to challenge the new RBs.
As I said, we don't know yet - but I don't see "bot program not working" as a plausible explanation. If they're inactive due to anything, then probably to get raid parties appropriate to the new level of difficulty built without BBing them.
I seriously doubt the raid boss farmers are gone, or banned or whatever. They are just reforming to be more effective against the raid bosses. Now that melee is more effective against bosses, we may be seeing RBF clans filled with gladiators, tyrants, destroyers, etc. instead of all nukers.
And why is that not a plausible explaination, if they have certain classes running on it, it would most certainly affect them, especially if they don't understand korean.
There's also the possibility that they're busy on Franz, considering currency there will be at a premium, already saw a guy offering 50 dollars per million for Franz :(
Or they're simply reforming their raidparties because of the new changes.
I seriously doubt the raid boss farmers are gone, or banned or whatever. They are just reforming to be more effective against the raid bosses. Now that melee is more effective against bosses, we may be seeing RBF clans filled with gladiators, tyrants, destroyers, etc. instead of all nukers.
that would be awesome because it would be a lot easier to kill them instead of trying to take on 60 nukers lol.
L2's economy is the most interesting I have seen in any MMO.
Well, allow me to differ :p
The Star Wars Galaxies (yes i know ;)) economy system was the most interesting i have ever seen in a MMO.
It was player-driven, 100% player-driven, no NPC shops or anything, but intelligently player-driven, not totally out of control like what we have here, and i can tell you i never ever saw a bot hunting for Credits in my 1 year of playing.
I saw some bots hunting for Imperial Points, but that's another story.
I guess there must have been some Credits-hunting bots, as there must be in every MMO, but i can swear to you that it was when i first played Lineage II that i learned you could buy game-money out of the game !
If this economy system is as good as you say it is, why are we infested with bots ? And why only in this game ? I'm not saying there are no bots in other MMO, but they dont even come close to what we have here. Why ?
I have posted counteless threads about how, in my opinion, the economy system could be fixed without changing it too much (private shops located in town houses, vendor NPC, less money-sink, better use of the Marketplace forum, ...) so i wont repeat it here, but, to me and many others (some of whom had quit because of that), it still is the weakest point of this otherwise excellent game.
(and yes, i know i have to spoil to get the Rind Leather, that's what i have been doing, i do listen to advices otherwise i wont be posting questions, it was just a kind of private joke, cos, hey, as annoying as this is it's still not a matter of life and death :))
SWG was one of the most hacked games in history. It was filled with item and credit duping bugs at the start which pumped tons of credit into the economy...yet you feel the economy was fine. The same thing happens in L2 via bots and you don't think so? The time curve on L2 is just much longer than SWG. Take the time it took you to do anything in game and multiply by 10. Think Jedi = noble (and I mean early jedi).
I am aware that is very likely the problem will return in one way on another, but the fact is NC soft have listened to our concerns and got rid of this pest allowing clans to raid once more and earn rep points.
I seriously doubt this is a problem with their 3rd party software as there are numerous other RGIs around, and we all know 3rd party progs are updated very fast.
In the case of bartz, yes its logical to think that some other farmer alliance will try to fill the void, but getting rid of the ones we had was a huge improvement as they had grown very strong. Most had S grade or overenchanted weapons, most were working on noblesse to take hero spots, and they were growing in number and power to farm antharas.
This ban will set them back several months on all those goals and give the bartz comunity an oportunity to not let them get that strong again.
At any rate, whichever way you look at this, if they were in fact permanently baned, I see this as a very positive move by NC soft.
but the fact is NC soft have listened to our concerns and got rid of this pest allowing clans to raid once more and earn rep points.
Got ANYTHING to back this up whatsoever or are you just saying something to say it?
I'd be very happy if they got rid of raidboss farmers and celebrate it if they actually did, but considering Spams comments and how things are right now, its extremely unlikely they're banned.
I seriously doubt this is a problem with their 3rd party software as there are numerous other RGIs around
we all know 3rd party progs are updated very fast.
Because its different things you need, it will work with regular ones, not very well with raidboss hunting.
They ran into the same problem fansites and everyone else did, changed ID's and data, which takes time to fix, they'll eventually be able to, we of course (the fansites) can't without NCSofts help :/
This ban
Do you have ANY evidence whatsoever that they are banned?
RBFs have been banned before, I'm not sure why you so adamantly insist this isn't one of the bans. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but I don't understand your vehemence.
I think he lost hope in NC doing something that they claimed should be left on players. And looks to it with "been there done that" point of view. Same like we will never get rid of automated friends, unless ... - just the "unless" will never happen.
RBFs have been banned, repeatedly - at least on Devianne. The whole "It won't happen" just rings oddly by me. Sure it takes time (far too long), and when it happens it's (according to the RBFs themselves) not thorough (as in missing multiple accounts) but it does happen.
They've banned the RB clan on Hinde. The farmers even talk about it. They just reroll more toons and sell more baium rings for 1.1 M. The process is too slow.
Use your brain guys. You notice a decrease of bots on your servers, and yea I must admit I didn't see a bot these recent days on Hindemith, or maybe I didn't pay enough attention.
But Franz.... it is CROWDED with them, already. I saw several bot trains in dwarf land maybe 20 minutes after the server opened.
My conclusion is : they all went to Franz, because the demand there could be very high, so they could make more profit. Now I don't know if they're right or not to do so. All that I hope is that they never come back to Hinde. But once again, better not be too confident about it...
My conclusion is : they all went to Franz, because the demand there could be very high, so they could make more profit. Now I don't know if they're right or not to do so. All that I hope is that they never come back to Hinde. But once again, better not be too confident about it...
Bingo. Less need for it on the other servers atm, people are currently working on "trading" their currency between servers.. it's far more needed on Franz.
They've banned the RB clan on Hinde. The farmers even talk about it. They just reroll more toons and sell more baium rings for 1.1 M. The process is too slow.
Its a noticeable difference in bartz, our raid boss farmers are gone! Thanks to the GM team for getting this issue sorted so clans can now enjoy raiding and the new content in C5.
It's only because of the Korean changes. They're a lot harder to do now.
But just let the farmers reorganize themselves.
They'll figure it out and will be back.
I think the fact that they are not here speaks for itself, all I have to back up this conclusion is the simple fact they are gone.
Yes, its possible they went to franz, but I seriously doubt they would leave behind a very lucrative business on bartz by choice. We will see, but so far not a RB farmer to be seen.
Well I don't think they are gone,just regrouping. The new AI on raids and mobs now go after nukers rather fast regardless of the tank's hate. And with dark magic having less an effect, heals working differently, and melee able to do damage and still be able to take the abuse, they are simply leveling melee class characters. On my server, there is more and more TH's running around with 1!!!1iii, 1singlf1 and such for names. I am sure it's just a matter of times before the old nuker raid farmers are replaced with melee ones is all.