Soul Ore price in Dwarven Village

Hi all,
i was very surprised yesterday when I went in Dwarven Village to stock up on Soul Ore for my SS crafting addiction :(
The price is 325 per Soul Ore!
Am i wrong in thinking that pre-C5 the price was about 287adena??
This another "give more money power to dorfs" action???
I think no one will be havin cheap SS for a while then..

rgds
N

Dorf town now has a castle that resides over it, right?

So the taxes from that castle might have something to do with it :P

Ask the shopkeeper trying to sell you ore about the catsle lord and tax rates. It will probably now be cheapest to buy in Giran.

That is plain MEAN !

N

Yeah, the dwarven (and orcish) lands are taxed now. :(

Your best bet is Giran now, with just 10% base tax + whatever the castle lord sets (at 5%, it's 115% of 250a = 287a for soul ore and 115% of 400a = 460a for spirit ore).

lol. some of us bought our soul ore in C4. but im not selling my stash.

And gone of the days of making money, I know i planed a long life and a rich dwarf.

I was working the ore import business, i think it sucks.

The Odd servers can still stock up while the getting is good.....I'm doing it tonight :)

as for new prices of ss, sps, and bsps. these are the new costs to craft at a 15% tax rate, NOT what you would need to sell to make a profit. i sold 11k css for 22 each the other day, to one person. i used the prices of crystals on devianne for the following set of calculations.
soul+15%=330
spirit+15%=525
dcry=700
ccry=3.300
bcry=9.000
acry=19.000
Dss(156):3soul+dcry=10.8
Dsps(100):3spirit+1dcry=22.75
bDsps(100):8spirit+2dcry=56
Css(476):15soul+1ccry=17.3
Csps(200):10spirit+1ccry=42.75
bCsps(200):30spirit+2ccry=111.75
Bss(450):54soul+1bcry=59.6
Bsps(150):15spirit+1bcry=112.5
bBsps(100):16spirit+2bcry=264
***(300):36soul+1acry=102.9
Asps(200):22spirit+1acry=152.75
bAsps(200):70spirit+2acry=373.75

Ummm, this might be a bug, but I went to Orc village 2 nights ago and bought soul ore and it was the same price it always was. I asked about taxes and it told me that Orc village was not under a castle and not being taxed. Perhaps I dreamed this? Did they change something in the last couple days? This was right after I went to Dwarven Village and found that the prices were up due to taxes.

Dss(156):3soul+dcry=10.8

:eek:

Seriously, if you don't know how to reliably craft DSS for below 9a each, you might be in the wrong business. :)

i can't WAIT to hear the way you "reliably" get such d-crystals!!!!

Best I EVER did on price was averaging about 9.7 a for each dss crafted. Once in a great while the crystals come in easy but that's not a given.
If my crystals dry up and I have to go to alternate sources the cost for dss is always over 10a each.
I'm really interested in hearing this CERTAIN source of cheap crystals that is 1) completely under your control, and 2) endless.

Certainly you're not counting failed oe d-crystals. You're for sure not talking about crushed shop items of ANY kind.
That leaves buying from players at fixed rates (IF they'll sell) or the random drop of a 'free' d-grade piece of crap gear that can be crushed, or finding a private sale of a d-item that gives cheap crystals.....NONE of which is guaranteed to be available.
Unless clanmates are giving them to you every day for next to nothing--I'm not seeing this constant supply of 500a d-crystals you would need to pull this off.
It's 5.52adena per dss in Soul Ore ALONE (that's at the best price you can get it). That leaves you, if you're going to be "under 9a each" with only 3.3 adena per dss in d-crystals. Which puts your calculated d-crystals at between 510a-540a each.

287 x 3 = 861a + 540a (d-crystal) = 1,401a /156 dss = 8.98a per dss.

Once d-crystal cost goes above 540a you cannot produce dss for under 9a each--and that's if you can be assured of soul ore at 287! (which is what this post is about).

Presumably you ALWAYS get d-crystals for 540 or less???!!!!!
Wow!

This is on Hinde, but the last few days I've put up d crystals in buy store for 500 each. I've gotten over 20k of them in less than a week.

well, sure, you CAN buy them in afk buy shops cheap. But there is no GUARANTEE you're going to find someone dumb enough to take a 100a loss per crystal to sell them to you!

I once made a deal with a player desperate for adena to buy all the d-crystals he had for 450 each. That doesn't mean I can say I "always produce them for 8.4a each". It happened once.

I understood him to say "reliably", as in "whenever he wants".
Players sell to buy shops seriously underpriced based on THEIR circumstance and whim. That's not my definition of reliable--lol.

I can produce an awfully large supply of dss with over 20k d crystals.

Or, I could if I didn't just resell them for more.

i can't WAIT to hear the way you "reliably" get such d-crystals!!!!

Build cheap D-Grade stuff and crush them.

Example: Leather boots. The lining drops often enough; just set up a buy store for 1000a each (the NPC shops would give you something like 768a for each) in Dion.

Total cost for building: 4x lining (=4000a) + 8x leather or 48x animal skin (current price on Teon for the leather: 1080a, so that would make it 8640a, even if I was lazy and just buy leather from PC shops) + high grade suede (current price on Teon: 4800a, from a sell shop; I can get it even cheaper often) + gemstone D-grade (1150a) = a total cost of 18590a.

Crushing the boots gets you 38 D-grade crystals at 18590 a / 38 = 490a per crystal.

Simple, eh? With manor, spoiling, hunting for the mats myself, buy-shops for the mats, clan mates' help and my little network of people who are selling only to me, my typical price for creating a D-crystal lies somewhere between 300a and 400a.

Build cheap D-Grade stuff and crush them.

this is exactly what i do. the prices i listed for crystals are the SELL shop prices on devianne, as in what you can reliably sell the crystals for while afk. there is no point in losing profits by making dss when you can sell the d cry at 700a each. you said it takes you 400a to make one dcry. thats a 300a profit for each one i sell, and i can craft something else while selling it. that means that in order to make more money selling ss than just selling d cry, i have to sell dss for at least 13 each, 156ss at a profit of about 2 each is 312 profit and a lot of time spent regenerating mp. if no one buys my dss at 13 each, i just lost money by crafting it. THATS what this post is about.

as for new prices of ss, sps, and bsps. these are the new costs to craft at a 15% tax rate, NOT what you would need to sell to make a profit.

the prices i listed for crystals are the SELL shop prices on devianne, as in what you can reliably sell the crystals for while afk. there is no point in losing profits by making dss when you can sell the d cry at 700a each.

Which one is it now? Aren't you making a profit, or are you just making less profit than when you'd sell the D-crys for 700a?

The second one is just wrong either way. Let's assume a D-crys creation cost of 400a, a soul ore for 330a (that's +32%, BTW, not +15% - the basic price for soul ore is 250 + the base tax rate of the region/town + the tax rate of the kingdom (Aden or Rune) + the tax rate of the local castle) and a sell price of 12a for each D-SS and of 700a for each D-crys. Then, for each D-crys, you can either get:

1. 300a when you sell it directly (fast, and doesn't need any further investment)

2. 156x12-(400+3x330) = 482a when you create D-SS first (needs an additional investment of almost 6.4a per shot).

In any case, I'm not selling my D-SS for 12a or 13a (the current running rate on Teon), I'm selling them for 10a to alliance members and my suppliers only - and still making a profit.