best seige = bishop. maybe EE comes close second.(supper fast heals)
best PvE = SE/bishop/EE.
Best at mass PvP = EE/ bishop/ SE.
Bishop is best @ seige cause of mass rez, ballence life(76 skill), GGH, MGH, GBH, GH. fast set up..and decent HP lvl.
SE is still best in PvE cause they can buff give VR, recharge, and still heal really well if you understand how HoT works.
Then bish cause their heals are uber!
I personally had the most fun ever playing a EE in PvP, I liked trance > MB > and ToD/ erase...it was fun...and if I felt my party was in trouble PR...or if I was daring..run out erase a summon recall. hehehehe
Well c5 is in full bloom, and I expect alot of people are comfortable in their classes.
I would like to know which Defensive mage is:
Best Siege healer
Best at 1v1s (new skills included)
Best at PVE Healing
alot of people saying bishop for all 3 and i kind of wanted to hear from some healers out there.
Considering you said best HEALER - I consider the Bishop to be the best true Healer in the game.
I'm a true Prophet at heart & would jump at the chance to say PP for everything, but they aren't a healer (they do have heals till level 35) therefore I would have to leave it up to the experts in these classes. :) Are you interested in making a healer?
I apologiese i said "best healer" but i would like to include all defensive mages that also includes prophets in the mix. at 1v1s? are prophets any good? do they also recieve mana burn and erase?
Also I would like to add? which out of all these Defensive mages has the best solo capabilities? Prophets?
I would think WC, but they use all their MP in buffs, and VR on a WC isnt enough sometimes =/ Prophet has self heals to use, while fully buffing himself and keeping Half to 2/3 of their MP (In Heavy)
WC is far from a good PVP healer, it dosnt have the skills to heal fast, sure it's a good complement to a healer in a party thoght, aka buffer, and do group heals when needed.
Bishop/EE is the only pure PVP healer classes if you ask me, OL is somewhat OK but miss the same thing Bishop and EE got, basicly be able to spam heal and strong ones of thoes.
My lv 60 EE now heal got 900 HP every 1 sec with buffs & can spam the skill :) only cost 62 MP as well.
I apologiese i said "best healer" but i would like to include all defensive mages that also includes prophets in the mix. at 1v1s? are prophets any good? do they also recieve mana burn and erase?
Also I would like to add? which out of all these Defensive mages has the best solo capabilities? Prophets?
lol don't worry about it, my Prophet will just go sit in the corner with all the rest of the Buffer classes... :p jk
Anyways my current Prophet solo's great, she wears Heavy BG Armour (Heavy Masteries) I use Duals with Focus & tattoos to increase my Str & Dex. They also get Mana Burn,Erase....Great Might/Shield,Unholy/Holy resistance buffs.
My clans Co-leader is a level 63 SE & he tells me all the time he can't solo worth ....... I also have a friend who's an EE & she depends on groups for everything. Of course others who play those classes can say differently, I'm just going by what I've seen. Most Healer/Buffer classes aren't meant for PVP 1on1 setup, a lot of them do mass PVP or clan wars in groups & are there to buff/heal/rez, before anything else!
P.S Read the second part of my sig it says all ;)
For solo, WC. For best party buffer, WC. For best pvp healer, Bishop. For best 1v1, WC. No, WC does not use all it's mp to buff for a 1v1, only an overlord has that problem. A WC wears robes, buffs, puts on heavy armor, and has full mp for killing.
I apologiese i said "best healer" but i would like to include all defensive mages that also includes prophets in the mix. at 1v1s? are prophets any good? do they also recieve mana burn and erase?
Also I would like to add? which out of all these Defensive mages has the best solo capabilities? Prophets?
lol don't worry about it, my Prophet will just go sit in the corner with all the rest of the Buffer classes... :p jk
Anyways my current Prophet solo's great, she wears Heavy BG Armour (Heavy Masteries) I use Duals with Focus & tattoos to increase my Str & Dex. They also get Mana Burn,Erase....Great Might/Shield,Unholy/Holy resistance buffs.
My clans Co-leader is a level 63 SE & he tells me all the time he can't solo worth ....... I also have a friend who's an EE & she depends on groups for everything. Of course others who play those classes can say differently, I'm just going by what I've seen. Most Healer/Buffer classes aren't meant for PVP 1on1 setup, a lot of them do mass PVP or clan wars in groups & are there to buff/heal/rez, before anything else!
P.S Read the second part of my sig it says all ;)
Im very happy I meat an other Battle Prophet!!! Im lvl 67, with Tallum Heavy armor, Majestic set +3, Duals Kesh*Dam +9, and about stats....
full buffs : 916 p.attack, 820 p.def, 510 attack speed!!
I apologiese i said "best healer" but i would like to include all defensive mages that also includes prophets in the mix. at 1v1s? are prophets any good? do they also recieve mana burn and erase?
Also I would like to add? which out of all these Defensive mages has the best solo capabilities? Prophets?
lol don't worry about it, my Prophet will just go sit in the corner with all the rest of the Buffer classes... :p jk
Anyways my current Prophet solo's great, she wears Heavy BG Armour (Heavy Masteries) I use Duals with Focus & tattoos to increase my Str & Dex. They also get Mana Burn,Erase....Great Might/Shield,Unholy/Holy resistance buffs.
My clans Co-leader is a level 63 SE & he tells me all the time he can't solo worth ....... I also have a friend who's an EE & she depends on groups for everything. Of course others who play those classes can say differently, I'm just going by what I've seen. Most Healer/Buffer classes aren't meant for PVP 1on1 setup, a lot of them do mass PVP or clan wars in groups & are there to buff/heal/rez, before anything else!
P.S Read the second part of my sig it says all ;)
Im very happy I meat an other Battle Prophet!!! Im lvl 67, with Tallum Heavy armor, Majestic set +3, Duals Kesh*Dam +9, and about stats....
full buffs : 916 p.attack, 820 p.def, 510 attack speed!!
Welcome to the party!!!
Yep, theres a few of us out there & even more that want to flame us for using are Heavy Masteries. What I don't get is how can you flame a Porphet for using there masteries that were given to them, yet we can still buff & do are jobs?
I'm in the party & I'm loving it! :D
P.S what gear did you use at BG for your Battle Prophet?
IMO there is no good siege healer. its never a fair fight anyway. who can heal fast enough to counteract 5k damage from a caster per hit? maybe 5 lvl 75 bishops spamming battleheals but nothing short of it.
and when you ask for 1v1 are you talking healer vs healer, or healer vs all ?
IMO there is no good siege healer. its never a fair fight anyway. who can heal fast enough to counteract 5k damage from a caster per hit? maybe 5 lvl 75 bishops spamming battleheals but nothing short of it.
and when you ask for 1v1 are you talking healer vs healer, or healer vs all ?
I think the OP is asking for all situations.
1on1
mass PVP
& I think just for me he added in Buffers as well. hehe ;)
IMO there is no good siege healer. its never a fair fight anyway. who can heal fast enough to counteract 5k damage from a caster per hit? maybe 5 lvl 75 bishops spamming battleheals but nothing short of it.
Death is not a big issue with noblesse buffs and siege charms. The MP pool is.
A good siege healer is a healer that can burn enemy nukers' MP in much more efficient ways than battleheal, more like alliance-wide heals and alliance-wide rezzes.
Heh haven't been to a siege yet but it seems gloriously disgusting from what I've seen!! :) And with noble blessing, unbelievably horribly disgusting.. ha ha
O.O What nuker are you fighting? With good buffs, even the 78s only dish around 900 a hit. With great buffs you can almost make nukers the equivalent of...well meleeing nukers. But it's gonna take up half your buff slots.
With good buffs, even the 78s only dish around 900 a hit. With great buffs you can almost make nukers the equivalent of...well meleeing nukers. But it's gonna take up half your buff slots.
Does Surrender to Earth count as one of these buffs? :D
I could be stupid but it looks like you're a paladin. I'm a cardinal.
Robes vs heavy armor. Hmm. I am not familiar with paladins but I'm sure being tanks, they have all kinds of tankish skills to keep them tanking/taking lots of damage without dying.
Paladins have MResist passives that are equal to those of a mystic at high levels, and a self-buff that acts exactly as magic barrier (and also does not stack with it, as far as I'm aware). They do, however, and correct me if I'm wrong Luke, also have a passive that reduces dark damage - holy armour. TKs have the same thing (once again, if I'm not misinformed).
Unless you want to feel completely useless in end game do not make a Prophet or SE, these are 2 unnecessary classes that are better off just left as buff bots.
that said, The way it goes down is like this. End Game buffer for fighter classes = Doomcryer, there are no questiosn to this Chant of Victory has no rival.
End Game Mage buffers - Dominator / Eva Saint - everything you need form these two and don't have to gimp gorup with lack of healing ability.
PvP Healers -Eva Saint / Cardinal / Dominator - these are the three healers of choice for PvP. Bishop for raw healer power, EE for good support heal // buffs. and Dominator to do CP heals and HoP which is pretty nice in c5 now.
that is how it goes unfortunatley SE / Prophet are nice at lower levels but just get left behind later on and find themselves wantign to be wanted but not really ideal for any particular pvp group.
Ideal PvP group will have 2 healers , 1 orc caster depending on whthere ti tis fighter or mage group (Doomcryer for fighter, Dominator for mage) , bd sws and the DPS classes to fill the slots.
The healers I mentioned all do their roles well in pvp.. if you are asking about killing other people in PvP then WC is the best at that... single target dot drain spell or soul cry if you can get in close .. the dot negates the CP pots used so makes drain effective. OL is usually reserved for healing as they are godly at mass healing. Eva Saint / Cardinal have no offensive potential towards players at all...
Paladins have MResist passives that are equal to those of a mystic at high levels, and a self-buff that acts exactly as magic barrier (and also does not stack with it, as far as I'm aware). They do, however, and correct me if I'm wrong Luke, also have a passive that reduces dark damage - holy armour. TKs have the same thing (once again, if I'm not misinformed).
So, lower MDef but higher resists.
Yep, I have less mdef total (a Cardinal in S grade is probably about 150-200 more mdef), but a 20% reduction in dark magic damage. It's a toggle now in C5, Paladin, TK, SWS. However, with buffs, there is absolutely no reason for that much damage to be dished out. My heavy armor has absolutely nothing to do with nuker damage. As a matter of fact, a Bishop ought consider things like Tallum robes...which increase mdef.
So, I think you are exaggerating...or grossly debuffed prior to the nuke. I suppose...gloom, surrender to wind, surrender to wind en masse, and wind vortex might crit that hard.
Maybe its the fact a Cardinal doesnt have that much HP/CP so she died in 1 hit? Im sure a Pally would have more then that. But Crits are just one of those things ><
And I dont have S grade yet, even so that was a stupid ridiculous crit.
Well, that's what astounds me. What's your mdef when this happened? Gloomed surrendered vortexed, whatever, no crits tally quite that high on me...and you *should* have better mdef. Now if you told me 5k damage ...
Are you sure that holy armour provides only 20% resistance?
To be honest, being hit for 2k by a mage doesn't seem that unrealistic if you're not buffed with resists - and you couldn't buff resists against Light Vortex, not in C4.
Being crit for 2k should be close to what a mage is gonna crit another mush-sack with jewels for. a 2k crit=500 normal shot damage. Last time I checked that's a tickle compared to normal mage hits.
Nah, the normal hit would have been 2k - she got hit for 7.8k. That is rather massive, but I don't know - is the Vortex surrender applied before or after the damage?
NO GOOD SIEGE HEALER? please, ive kept people alive thru mages (EE) and in my experience nukes dont do 5k. if they did i couldnt keep ppl aqlive but i do keep them alive so it must be much less. pre c5 i had 2 choices, spam reg battle heal or switch between GH and vitalize. that stuff along w/ a cast speed build (homu avadon +5 wit) + dance of conc, acu, zerk i believe i got 1200 cast speed. that speed btw goes faster then i can auto load sps. so healers CAN pvp
Again, at the time I was level 75, +3 unsealed majestic jewels +3 on most parts of my majestic robes. Self buffed, there was NO POSSIBLE way to have more mdef than that at the time.
Gosh you'd think I was wearing elven or something, or had a SWS in party.
Question is: who can outheal 2 archer crits, each for 3.5k?
Mages are so C4 ... gank squads and siege groups consist now only of archers. Because from C4, everybody who did not subclass archer yet is a mage, they have easy work pounding on robes :p
Question is: who can outheal 2 archer crits, each for 3.5k?
Mages are so C4 ... gank squads and siege groups consist now only of archers. Because from C4, everybody who did not subclass archer yet is a mage, they have easy work pounding on robes :p
cardinal can but tha t is beside the point... im glad I chose my Doomcryer over the others seeing as I can live through at least 3 of those crits you mentieoned ;), about them doing more dmg, that is moot because PoW adds about as much DPs ot mage as CoV does to archers.
I roll with archers only because of class and archers wanting cryers over propehts in end game ;) full buffed a mage will have better consitant DPS then archer, Archer has bigger burst DPS tha tis how it is.
and gank groups usually use mages because the DPS is more controlled arcehrs are all about luck.... Archers are for sieges because of bettter enduracne, in eveyr othe raspect mages are better for pvp.
Mana burn works, but it doesn't kill. In the end, you end up with no mana, and so does your target...as long as you both started at full mp. It's also hard to tell when a target is burned out :/
Too bad the archer only needs 20 mp to shoot the healer twice and /victory emote. It won't be terribly siege useful. It's disabling, but like I said, nonlethal. Mana regens.
I can see how Mana Burn can be good against classes with low MP, say stopping that dam BD or SwS from Dancing/Singing for their teammates, but i dont see how Healers > Nukers with this. As said above, you use all your mana doing it, and even with BSPS, my low INT/M.atk EE doesnt take as much as id like him to =/.
Helps against Daggers though, they have to choose which skills to use rather then spamming all their self buffs/spells/entangle and Stabs.