Holy crap have they made the raid boss's impossible now or what. 30 lvl 25+ couldn't take down a lvl 25 raid, **** near impossible, need to zerg the **** things >.<
I know it doesn't seem possible but you are actually going to be MORE disappointed when you take the raidboss down than you were when you didn't take the raidboss down.
For those of us newer to L2 the change is massive (and not positive).
Wait till the 18 of you who take biffrons get 1 EaD, a couple crappy rings, and 30k exp each!
The best I've done so far is a group of 17 that took a lvl 35 boss. Essentially we got nothing special in drops and I got 17k exp.
It took us almost 2 hours to assemble that group and drop one low boss.
The good news is I get more groups of 30+ players going into catas or Ants nest or into hunting grounds now!
The main problem we are having is that there is too much competition for the RBs.... that they take less than a minute to kill, and that they are always down.
We took down Pan Dryad (lvl 25 RB) yesterday with about 25 ppl. It dropped 27 EAD's and Mithril Banded Gaiters. Man, what are you talking about ? I love the drops =)
the new system sucks, you should see this video i made, we had 40 ppl between lvls 20-26 and we killed 2rbs, we got absalutely nothing and everyone had white or green on the rbs, then when the 40 of us took on the sucubus rb in SODA we got....slaughtered....and had nothing to show for it....like come on 40 ppl should be able to take on that sucubus! in c4 i was able to do it with 7 ppl!!!!
Already? It took me forever to level that poor DA to 52--mostly solo!
My signature is from Lionna. I play on 3 servers with 17 toons.
On Franz i have only 17 de mystic and dwarf lvl 7 and technically a light elf who has not been started--just named.
I haven't tried a RB yet. I really hope you guys r just having bad luck with the xp and the drops aren't always that bad. I leveled two of my chars from low 20's to mid 30's mostly on RB's in C4, got plenty of good drops, too. :(
I've prob tried 8 low bosses since C5 (admittedly a small sample).
My 'group' (15-18) only took 2 of them down. We got similar drops as before but exp was pretty low compared to C4.
One thing I guarantee--you won't be "leveling low alts/toons on raidbosses" like you did in C4.
Is that 'bad'? Older players say 'no'---those of us new tend to say 'yes'.
The truly new player doesn't know what it was like in C4 so they don't know what they are comparing.
Let's put it this way, in C4, a lvl 28 toon (or 30 or 34--whatever) could get in a group of 9 folks and take 4-5 bosses in a couple hours. Drops usually didn't make any of the members exactly rich--but at 150-240k exp for each boss--that's like the better part of a million exp for that night for each player!
Have 3-4 nights a week like that and you were getting really fast levels (although they tended to be expensive).
The couple bosses I've taken (one lvl 25 and one 35) required groups of nearly 18.
I got 17k exp for one and 21k exp for the other. Not 210,000 exp! 21,000 exp.
Oh, and I died twice on the lvl 35 boss even withs 17 people in the group over lvl 34!
It's not that new bosses are impossible--they are not impossible.
Compared to before they just aren't worth the TIME!
In the couple hours it takes to find 18 lowbie strangers you could make 300k exp and 100k in adena solo in Abandoned Camp!
.in C4 were some Raids (lvl55~60) i have ***** them with 7 ppl!! With 9 ppl it was possible to kill 90% of the raids in the own lvl-range, ...the most raids in C4 were **** easy to kill ;)
in C4 i used to lvl alts with my lvl 20 dorf/dagger combo ... http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=459352
lvl 20 - lvl 30 raids werent a problem with that duo.
and dont complain on the PP buffs... most RB debuff u and they never died...
only crap was that they lvl to fast and we have no "legal" delvl function ... so delete and make new ;)
for 30+ up to 50+ was really no problem with 1 party of random people, only problem again:
u lvl to quick, no way to go back to 40 and do it again :p
i hear alot people crying on franz that RB to hard in C5 and exp is poor.. may exp IS poor when u zerg evry boss with 50+more peps ^^
but the pre 40 bosses not sooo hard, u only dont have the gear u may had on another server... no +++ weps no armor /jewel set ... just wearing the noobie crap ;)
may a better group setup when u have better gear gives u the fun of lowbie raiding back...
in C4 i used to lvl alts with my lvl 20 dorf/dagger combo ... http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=459352
lvl 20 - lvl 30 raids werent a problem with that duo.
and dont complain on the PP buffs... most RB debuff u and they never died...
only crap was that they lvl to fast and we have no "legal" delvl function ... so delete and make new ;)
for 30+ up to 50+ was really no problem with 1 party of random people, only problem again:
u lvl to quick, no way to go back to 40 and do it again :p
i hear alot people crying on franz that RB to hard in C5 and exp is poor.. may exp IS poor when u zerg evry boss with 50+more peps ^^
but the pre 40 bosses not sooo hard, u only dont have the gear u may had on another server... no +++ weps no armor /jewel set ... just wearing the noobie crap ;)
may a better group setup when u have better gear gives u the fun of lowbie raiding back...
Its much better now...dont like how it sounded in c4.... 7-9 ppl for something like that - and what about the others,who need to wait over 10h to kill it after you got your trash,others want too.
Its much better now...dont like how it sounded in c4.... 7-9 ppl for something like that - and what about the others,who need to wait over 10h to kill it after you got your trash,others want too.
Lol. back in C4, it could have easily taken you a few hours to gather 9 people you needed for a RB group.
In C5, where you need 3+ ful parties, good luck fignding all the people you need.
Also, there's a a very good chance that the Raib Boss group will net you a Negative in both Experience(you dying) and a Negative in (Adena) as you would need to use SS/Bsps to kill the raid boss.
The traide off to -Experience and -Adena is that you get to participate in a large and social group. Lol, the very last time I did a RB, I almost ended up PK'ing the whole group cause of the little things they did that really ticked me off. :p
Still liking the changes to the Raid Bosses? Good luck and have fun. ^^
in C4 i used to lvl alts with my lvl 20 dorf/dagger combo ... http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=459352
lvl 20 - lvl 30 raids werent a problem with that duo.
and dont complain on the PP buffs... most RB debuff u and they never died...
only crap was that they lvl to fast and we have no "legal" delvl function ... so delete and make new ;)
for 30+ up to 50+ was really no problem with 1 party of random people, only problem again:
u lvl to quick, no way to go back to 40 and do it again :p
i hear alot people crying on franz that RB to hard in C5 and exp is poor.. may exp IS poor when u zerg evry boss with 50+more peps ^^
but the pre 40 bosses not sooo hard, u only dont have the gear u may had on another server... no +++ weps no armor /jewel set ... just wearing the noobie crap ;)
may a better group setup when u have better gear gives u the fun of lowbie raiding back...
Eh ... the RB's are back to pre-C3 strength without the C3 drops (which were awesome).
My ally ran low level RB's for 2 chronicals until the farmers figured out there was money to be made at low levels too. We ran a circuit of 8 to 10 level 25 to 35 bosses at least once a week. It was never about xp, you took your chances and frequently died. It was about great drops. It took 2 full nuker groups and a tank w/healers (fewer nukers if they had glowy weapons). The drops were either nothing or pure goodness (7 brig shield / 15 knowledge gloves / 4 Staffs of Life / multiples of top D whole item drops) ... it was well worth it. Then along came C4 and the drops were nerfed to mats. 1 poorly organized group could drop the boss and they were only good for xp.
Now they try to swing it back ... but without the sweet sweet drops. I'm a firm believer in hard RB's ... you shouldn't be able to drop one with 1 group. But let them drop items worthy of the battle and the organization it takes.