Debating damage versus evasion

A TH can do a lot of damage but mobs can also do a lot of damage... if they can hit the TH. See the sig for the list of toons. Anyway, when wearing the mithril (evasion) set the mobs barely hit so damage is evaded 50% or more of the time. This is great. Less work for the healer (EE). Now switching to a plated leather set it adds a lot more damage. The problem is now mobs are consistently hitting. As a result I have to battle heal at least every other mob and have to constantly heal. Sure the mobs die faster but so does the TH. Haven't died yet but HP gauge is consistenly below 1/2 or even 1/4. Mobs are white and 2x - 3x hp.

What would you do? Evasion set or damage set?

It depends......

IMO....if you have an SE around or the ability to get VR go damage. The more damage will add to the HP Regen So to say. But since you have an EE you might want to go evasion since you would get an alright evasion alone and then you can get buffed with even more evasion.

I run a Light Armor Set up with my WS and I have +5 Dex -5 Con and it is very nice when fighting greens and I evade 5-6 times in a row.

I totally forgot about VR. The EE is learning strictly healing and return/pr. The PP has the buffs. The SE was for VR and totally forgot about it.

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The EE's buffs while few and far between really shine for what they do have...

I haven't tried a evation build. but I've been thinking about it sence I read about the new armor bonuses.

if you think about a +6 mithal set, it would add +6 to evation.(normal set is +4 eva)
then snach up a dagger and SA it with evation(I think kris has evation SA to)

but Mind you that you'd have to aviod using Zerk cause it now lowers evation.

I've been curious how good such a thing would work for 40-61 lvls. but after 61 there is no A/g armor that adds to eva as much as mithril or zubie.

so you'd have to go back to the P atk/atk speed set up to max out dmg out put for VR to keep up on regening your hp.(best would be Bloody orchied with focus when you hit A/g.)

Also SwS gets a song that increases your eva to.

in the end dmg out does it over eva. but it's always nice when you get hit 3 times then evade 6 times in a row and get back all your hp.

well, in pve, doubt it's very good.

in pvp it's suck. You don't evade crits, so what's the point...

My limited melee experience tells me nole's comment about damage out over evasion is almost a melee law. It's almost always true for me thus far.
If you are close to mob it's gonna hit you. Sure, it CAN miss 4 times but even with evasion maxed it CAN hit you all 4 times too. Then where are you?
Kill it fast enough and there isn't much to evade. The DD melees are built to kill faster (than tank melees) so I would guess that would be best place to concentrate ability/effort.

well, in pve, doubt it's very good.

in pvp it's suck. You don't evade crits, so what's the point...

well like I was saying.

it's purely a theary...cause I've never had the chance to give it a try.

I'd go so far as to claim that after you hit A/g that set up really wont last long at higher lvl cause the mobs skills and abilities to fight change... maybe if you find good none argo mobs that still do the stupid self buff that takes 4 seconds before they come to atk you it may contenue to work.

but seriously the dps at any mob above 63 for a meely with eva set up just wont last. IMO

it is a fact that it takes: crt rate + dps + atk speed to keep VR effect up.

so say hypthicly you got +6 zubie light set(+4 eva and +2 from +6 bonus), EE agility would add about 4 eva (?), SwS singing eva and hunter, and a dagger that adds +5 to eva.

I bet with a set up as such you'd evade about 7 out 10 times.(every mob - every other mob)
but with eva on your dagger, you'd lack much needed dps from crt dmg or focus SA.

add to that that the only bonus you'd get from mithril set or zubie set is purely nothing but evation while you'd lack any type of atk bonus.(no atk speed or P atk type bonus)

thos you'd end up with doing subpar dps while you'd end up in the long run taking more dmg then needed.

also your P df would be awefully low.

now you can try PL set... while that set is very hard to get ahold of, runs expencive toword most servers, it's like wearing a papper bag into a battle.(hence why I say only archers can use it effectively: cause their range & dps would kill the mob before they took dmg)

So in closeing yeah it might far well up to 63 maybe but deffently not in the C4+ zones. or if stuned(which every lvling place after 55 has some type mob that stuns)

yea there's no way an evasion build is going to work in a grade +. try evading level 83-87 mobs in pagan temple lol.

yea there's no way an evasion build is going to work in a grade +. try evading level 83-87 mobs in pagan temple lol.

LOL can't evade nukes. Those just flat out hurt.

but Mind you that you'd have to aviod using Zerk cause it now lowers evation.

If you have a PP with Greater Shield 2 or 3, putting zerk on even the tank is a good thing because it negates the P.Def debuff from Zerk.

Ive found that Zerk + Greater Shield is a very good combo as Might + Greater Might is basically nothing compaired to it.

but Mind you that you'd have to aviod using Zerk cause it now lowers evation.

If you have a PP with Greater Shield 2 or 3, putting zerk on even the tank is a good thing because it negates the P.Def debuff from Zerk.

Ive found that Zerk + Greater Shield is a very good combo as Might + Greater Might is basically nothing compaired to it.



Thats not really the point man, this was about evation and useing it to keep mobs from hiting you while you hit them... zerk does lower P df, but he point was it lowers evations to.

The thing to know, GM is for PvE...while GS is for PvP.

Reason is that that the bonus to P atk gained from GM isn't as high or noticeable as GS is when your in PvP.

But when in PvE you will notice about 300 more hit points as a archer with my crts when I have GM 2. GM 1 adds about 100 more P atk to my atks. :D

I understand your point tho, it is nice that you gain a effect that negates the lowerd P df but think about how much more P df that tank could of had if he didn't have zerk. but youd still lose your 4-6 evation from it, and still lose your M df.

but Mind you that you'd have to aviod using Zerk cause it now lowers evation.

If you have a PP with Greater Shield 2 or 3, putting zerk on even the tank is a good thing because it negates the P.Def debuff from Zerk.

Ive found that Zerk + Greater Shield is a very good combo as Might + Greater Might is basically nothing compaired to it.



Thats not really the point man, this was about evation and useing it to keep mobs from hiting you while you hit them... zerk does lower P df, but he point was it lowers evations to.

The thing to know, GM is for PvE...while GS is for PvP.

Reason is that that the bonus to P atk gained from GM isn't as high or noticeable as GS is when your in PvP.

But when in PvE you will notice about 300 more hit points as a archer with my crts when I have GM 2. GM 1 adds about 100 more P atk to my atks. :D

I understand your point tho, it is nice that you gain a effect that negates the lowerd P df but think about how much more P df that tank could of had if he didn't have zerk. but youd still lose your 4-6 evation from it, and still lose your M df.



With GS 3 + Shield 3 + Might 3 + Zerk 2, you have more P.Def then what you would have with GM 3 + Shield 3 + Might 3 + Zerk 2.

Also with GM 3, my P.Atk goes up 40......so its makes more sense to use Zerk + GS 3 because i get more accuracy, more P'atk, more atk speed, more run speed and more P.Def then i do with GM 3 + Shield.

A light class wearer other then a archer, cause he ( the OP ) is a TH, he has to get close to mobs, your a archer, you dont have to be near a mob at all, the best thing for him is to increase his damage output as much as he can cause that in itself will equate to the loss of evasion, faster you kill the mob, less damage he does to you. Simple.

Like has also been pointed out, evasion wont help you in PvP, especially against a caster class where its impossible to evade a nuke. You want to kill these classes as fast as you can when you can get near them.

Like has also been pointed out, evasion wont help you in PvP, especially against a caster class where its impossible to evade a nuke. You want to kill these classes as fast as you can when you can get near them.

we've already discoused this.

I guess school was out that day for you.

no one considers you for PvP untill your atlest 70+. if you tried to show up at a siege on kain at anything less then 70 your going to get smoked and somked hard!

That being said, we already pointed out that DMG build is > then evation build. and when you do get PvP armor none of those apply any bonus to evation.

how ever you can try a evation build for 40-61 if you'd like to... and it wouldn't hurt to atlest give it a try see how that would work out...but after 61 it's all about dmg PS.

how ever you can try a evation build for 40-61 if you'd like to... and it wouldn't hurt to atlest give it a try see how that would work out...but after 61 it's all about dmg PS.

Yep, already tried a Evasion build on my 59 Tyrant, quite frankyl it sucks compaired to how much Damage you sacrafice for it.

Imagine +8 to str mod and seeing as the OP is a TH, imagine the difference in total damage on a succesful Mortal Blow.......not to mention pure crit damage alone seeing daggers crit ALOT.

Evasion's effects are staggered. 119 > 120 and 120 > 121 evasion are dramatic differences. As you work higher and higher the effect becomes absurd. For PVE an evasion build is pointless, max out damage for exp rate. Evade 2x as much but take 2x as many hits during the course of killing doesn't make much sense.

PVP a HE can't do an evasion build effectively no matter how much most suggest. The slow atk speed means lots of standing still during pvp, and that means less evasion off the bat. PW run excellent evasion builds...SRs run excellent evasion builds, but you don't try to become something you aren't to gain balanced bonuses. Pick what you are good at, and maximize it. % based boosts offer larger advantages from buffs for larger numbers.

I played a SR with mith and PL armor sets, and when solo PvE the mith set (and cheapshot emi) had me able to hunt for 20 mins and still have 9/10 of my HP before I had to rebuff (on white 1xhp mobs). Kiting would make it so I only took 1 hit every other mob if they were lower lvl then I was.

PL would sometimes kill a mob in 1 less shot, but if I ever got 2 mobs on me at once, I had to rest or I died as my HP ran low while hunting. Most of the extra damage is lost to overhit on the last hit, as the mob sometimes only had 40 hps left but I was doing 900 damage crits at lvl 46.

PL seemed to be much more useful then mith when I was partying tho, I ended up drawing aggro off the mobs instead of the nukers and the mobs had 2-4x hp, so less wasted damage.


My suggestion would be, if your C grade, have 34+ dex, and you solo at least 50% of the time, then go with +4 evasion bonus (unless your a melee who can get VR).

Doom vs Zubie is much diffrent, as doom increases your crit rate, attack speed, run speed, Pdef, lowers your Patk and HP/CP. I would recommend zubie for a AW, as they cant really fight white mobs solo with dooms -2 con. 1700 hp at lvl 52 is a death trap trying to solo.

Nice post...but tail mentioned the TH. TH is not an evasion specialist like a PW. I'd make a straight run for the damage if you have a buffer.

My PW at the moment is in Theca, PL looks bad on me and its quite frankly, overpriced for what it does. I could try a Mith set for the Evasion as i party with a clannie EE who adds Agility to it. I think in Theca i have around 94 Evasion, ill have to check, fact is, with Mithril & Agility, id have over 100, ill have to try it sometime.

Overpriced?

PL set is a 20% increase to patk. Now a light elf dagger that gains 20 patk from it...sure it sucks...A Dark elf archer that gains several hundred patk from it...well...GG

Overpriced?

PL set is a 20% increase to patk. Now a light elf dagger that gains 20 patk from it...sure it sucks...A Dark elf archer that gains several hundred patk from it...well...GG

Your on Hinde, i dont know what the prices for you are, but im not going to pay 10m just for the Boots so i can have +4 STR, why waste money? Ill use it to buy Doom Light for when im make 52, i dont plan on making my 40 - 52 experience the most expensive, thanks.

Overpriced?

PL set is a 20% increase to patk. Now a light elf dagger that gains 20 patk from it...sure it sucks...A Dark elf archer that gains several hundred patk from it...well...GG

Your on Hinde, i dont know what the prices for you are, but im not going to pay 10m just for the Boots so i can have +4 STR, why waste money?


Or you can do like I did and craft them.

Too logical Elrohir

Or you can do like I did and craft them.

Too lazy =P

40-52? Name the B grade set that gives you that much bonus? PL is hands down the best damage in game on an archer unless you want to fork out dough for an OE A bow and Majestic.

40-52? Name the B grade set that gives you that much bonus? PL is hands down the best damage in game on an archer unless you want to fork out dough for an OE A bow and Majestic.

Show me an Archer that uses PL after 52, cause i certainly dont see any on Teon. Doom Light is the fave, BW light 2nd.

40-52? Name the B grade set that gives you that much bonus? PL is hands down the best damage in game on an archer unless you want to fork out dough for an OE A bow and Majestic.

Show me an Archer that uses PL after 52, cause i certainly dont see any on Teon. Doom Light is the fave, BW light 2nd.

Which is, quite frankly a pretty stupid choice since doom set bonus really isnt much for an archer. People like to upgrade at each grade even if the bonuses arent that great.

+4 str -1 con is the best ranged figher set
+4 int -1 wit is best pve nuker set

Yet I see se's with sword of acumen and majestic robes. Why? Because no one wants to have the same C grade set their whole L2 life.

Yeah, considering I own...DC light PL doom light...even on my good ole paladin, the best dps is in PL. If you are two hitting mobs on a HE, its the armor of choice. It's just not good for parties because you draw so much aggro and have low pdef. However, I know many archers that have used it post 52. MANY