WCs own Necros in support though so that balances them out as the top of the list. And actually my friend solos pretty decently so WC comes out just cause they can solo but necros cant buff. :) or can they?
Wouldn't your logic dictate the Overlord to be better than the Warcryer? Especially if you're considering mass PvP and buff support.
As to necro, they can debuff better than any class ingame, they can summon, and they can nuke as hard as a spellhowler. They have transfer pain, both they AND their summons have very high damage, and they do have some useful AoE skills as well.
Hehe, the best class is all-in-one. I remember I saw screenshots from C4 PTS where guy got all skills of all classes :) Name was something like maddaemon or something like that.
no class really owns all
h.e rocks fully buffed with drac bow but all a necro needs to do is land anchor and its game over
if a healer shows up and erases the summon the necro would get owned by any orc the orc then goes to attack a pro and an EE but they both return
Warsmiths and Bounty Hunters are obviously the best classes in game. Everything else are just freaks of nature.
He wanted a discussion what different people think is the best class in the game. Sure you may think Dwarves but there has already been mentioned 10 classes as the best class now so its clearly that people have different opinions on this.
WS with access to a BH would still own all, if we werent so nice everyone would be lvl 60+ with armors put together from pieces of what you can find in luxuryshop LOL and we'd run around in top notch stuff whacking the hell outta everyone :).... no i'm not smoking, just using my imagination a tad bit -.- lol
Now that I think about it, in a true 1v1, no outside help, a prophet can probably kill any class in game, and kill most classes most of the time, not every time but it's not impossible for any that I can think of. I can't think of another class who can do that, well outside of landing paralyze, but that doesn't really count imo.
Have you ever tried that, honestly? How many 1 on 1s have you fought on a 76+ prophet or ee? vs other 76+ characters? how many clan wars have you participated in with open pvp at 7x? I don't mean to insult you, but I think you are speaking from either PTS experience, or theory.
you can mana burn the robe classes, if trance hits (and thats a rather large if, remember mental shield might as well be a self buff), if you fail, guess what you have only dark resist as mdef buff, so you're going to get hurt bad, especially once you're surrendered, it takes MANY mana burns to drain a target, tanks take at least 8, i don't know about robe users.
What you going to do, to kill the light armor classes and tanks? especially the elves with their self buffs, and bd and such? nothing, you die if you try to melee them. Only pp has the fighting ability to 1 on 1 heavy armor classes and win, se might be able to, but unlikely. (Excluding wc) On my 78 pp with drac light and focus S sword with shield, i can barely outmelee a DA, and that's after i erase his panther, and mana burn him to nothing. GL on an EE
I don't like these type of topics as I find one should play a char one likes because of it's pro and it's cons and learn to appreciate every single step of the way what it has to offer...
From what I've seen since C5 I would say a HE, a Necro or an Abyss Walker ... But really it's a none ending debate really :s As you can see from the pages in this topic :)
I think it's important to choose a char you will really enjoy playing and you will want to grind all the wya up to it's 70+ be it the best or not is not just the class but also the way you play it and the skill you gain as you grow with your char.
you can mana burn the robe classes, if trance hits (and thats a rather large if, remember mental shield might as well be a self buff), if you fail, guess what you have only dark resist as mdef buff, so you're going to get hurt bad, especially once you're surrendered, it takes MANY mana burns to drain a target, tanks take at least 8, i don't know about robe users.
Chlorine, was that a Quick Reply to the wrong person or did Prophets get surrender at some point? o_O
All I said was that in the cited "self-buffed 1v1" of prophet vs. EE, I can't see the prophet winning - Trance need merely land once, then the prophet's MP is gone and the match is pretty much decided.
prophet vs ee who cares, ee wont land trance without empower most likely, 1 trance all mana gone? fat chance lol
Even if the ee had empower, the chance of landing trance is very very low, my prophet has 1200 mdef self buffed (but i would zerk vs an ee since they are no threat), so 1000, has wisdom passive, has mental shield, and almost 4000 mp (3300 after buffs) you do realize that mana burn costs 103 mana, (about 90 with clarity) and it would burn not more than 200 most likely from the pp? You're totally speaking from ignorance.
prophet gets prophecy and a million other buffs
Here's my prophet stats with self buff, roughly
4900 hp
3900 mp
1000 mdef
800 matk
700 cast speed
800 patk
1100 pdef
720 attack speed
194 critical
116 accuracy
How the hell is an elder going to EVER melee that down?
granted theres no way to test on hinde server, no EE has a decent melee kit because they simply can't kill [censored] on their own buffs, once my sub (ee) is 76 i'll fight nya and let you know how bad i get my *** kicked.
once again, I repeat my previous questions: Have you ever tried that, honestly? How many 1 on 1s have you fought on a 76+ prophet or ee? vs other 76+ characters? how many clan wars have you participated in with open pvp at 7x?
btw, whoever said WC, summoners beat wc badly and i think proph can win too (sometimes)
btw, whoever said WC, summoners beat wc badly and i think proph can win too (sometimes)
Paladin too
At 78...theyre a vicious 1v1. You have a minute of some nasty stats, followed by a minute of UD. 2 minutes of combat against a character with 2000 pdef and 1800 mdef is a long battle.
In self buffed 1v1 however, the rock paper scissors works pretty well. The right classes can be used to counter anyone. Now if only the ratio of nukers to gladiators was at all in order.
an ee without empower has a very low chance to trance anything with mental shield much less a prophet 34 men and 1000+ mdef good luck, oh and wisdom passive, plus if the EE is lower level you get level penalty as well
best shot EE has is a paralyze sword tbh, even then I dont think an EE can kill me in 30 seconds, maybe though
an ee without empower has a very low chance to trance anything with mental shield much less a prophet 34 men and 1000+ mdef good luck, oh and wisdom passive, plus if the EE is lower level you get level penalty as well
evasion is too weak even if you go for all dex on ee i think, most you could possibly get is 125 or so.. and with 116 acc its hardly a difference, would be like hitting a SR normal, and I do just fine vs them without UE
interesting idea though, but either way EE doesnt have the dmg output
Question: Is your statement about the success chances of trance from C4, or experienced in C5? I've actually heard the opposite - people complaining about it landing consistantly through MA.
Chant of Victory. I don't think any other single skill in the game can impact how a pvp turns out, save other than hero skills. and versatility speaking, only an OL can come close but only when with their alliance/clan. but in a real pvp an ol is just a healer anyways D: wc can use his mp for doing some damage as well. but a fully buffed archer in this game has the top spot in pvps as far as kills go. crit buffs are a joke, and an archer will regulary crit for 4k+ which is far too much damage to comeback from and almost destroys the need for pvp skills like assisting which were so huge back in the day. now an archer can 3 shot a tank with full buffs it seems.
Maybe if the original question was "which is the most versatile class in game", then I think, the answer could be WC. Buffers, partially healers, able to take damage (wearing heavy) and able to deal damage both in melee and with magic drains. They are not the best in anything, but they can do so many different things very well, thus making themselves extremely useful. I don't believe that there is a top class for all aspects of the game (I don't think it was meant to be). But the title of an all-around-class could be given to WC.
All/Most Human Classes are all Specialised. (It says that somewhere) So they might be the 'Best' at their individual fields.
Repeat: There is NO 'Best' Class. If there was im sure we would ALL be playing it. There should never be a class that can do it all. (Even Necromancers need the Buffs of a DIFFERENT class to become so overpowered)
All/Most Human Classes are all Specialised. (It says that somewhere) So they might be the 'Best' at their individual fields.
Repeat: There is NO 'Best' Class. If there was im sure we would ALL be playing it. There should never be a class that can do it all. (Even Necromancers need the Buffs of a DIFFERENT class to become so overpowered)
Yeah but there classes who can alot of these stuff good. Thats why alot of people think Warcryers as the best class.