What mage is your favorite?

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Hi **

i have an SPS lvl 66 :) and ask me was it the right choose?
Every other class have BTM, And what have SPS? :mad:
Faster mana Recovery which costs tons of stones :mad: :mad:

What MAGE class do you play? What do you like, what not? :p

What you you thinck is the best balanced Mage?
(Please not only Necro)
:)
I like the Spellhowler.

I made an light elf mage, got it to 23 I think and then realized that the downtime would probably not change.

Hate the way the humans run. And stand... what the hell is up with that.

I like the Spellhowler.

I made an light elf mage, got it to 23 I think and then realized that the downtime would probably not change.

Hate the way the humans run. And stand... what the hell is up with that.



yes i see the skills of them, no damage, no overhit, BtM sucks, i cant understand this class.

But beliefe me, around lvl 60 a SPS get good.
I can play on 2 shot mobs, with Overhit :p, and can play around 15 minutes.

I like the Spellhowler.

I made an light elf mage, got it to 23 I think and then realized that the downtime would probably not change.

Hate the way the humans run. And stand... what the hell is up with that.


I also play an SH (my first nuker class) & I feel I made an awesome choice. I love her & the BTM, + HP/MP pots that drop from mobs allows me to level quick. Even thou we have the slowest casting speed out of all nukers, the extra speed you can get from haste pots/tattoos/15% casting on armour & weapons, makes up for that.
I HATE the look of AG DC set on the Dark Elf. That is the best setup gear to use & it looks aweful *yuk* :mad:
Besides that, I love my class, wouldn't give it up for anything!


I like the Spellhowler.

I made an light elf mage, got it to 23 I think and then realized that the downtime would probably not change.

Hate the way the humans run. And stand... what the hell is up with that.


I also play an SH (my first nuker class) & I feel I made an awesome choice. I love her & the BTM, + HP/MP pots that drop from mobs allows me to level quick. Even thou we have the slowest casting speed out of all nukers, the extra speed you can get from haste pots/tattoos/15% casting on armour & weapons, makes up for that.
I HATE the look of AG DC set on the Dark Elf. That is the best setup gear to use & it looks aweful *yuk* :mad:
Besides that, I love my class, wouldn't give it up for anything!



It looks better on the males. Though the lower half isn't so great. Looks like "Hazel the Maid".



I like the Spellhowler.

I made an light elf mage, got it to 23 I think and then realized that the downtime would probably not change.

Hate the way the humans run. And stand... what the hell is up with that.


I also play an SH (my first nuker class) & I feel I made an awesome choice. I love her & the BTM, + HP/MP pots that drop from mobs allows me to level quick. Even thou we have the slowest casting speed out of all nukers, the extra speed you can get from haste pots/tattoos/15% casting on armour & weapons, makes up for that.
I HATE the look of AG DC set on the Dark Elf. That is the best setup gear to use & it looks aweful *yuk* :mad:
Besides that, I love my class, wouldn't give it up for anything!



It looks better on the males. Though the lower half isn't so great. Looks like "Hazel the Maid".


LMAO geez I don't want to hit AG, only because I'd be grossed out everytime I take a look at my SH wearing DC.. lol she looks like a circus preformer :(
Elven Elder :D

LMAO geez I don't want to hit AG, only because I'd be grossed out everytime I take a look at my SH wearing DC.. lol she looks like a circus preformer :(



Quoted for Truth

I have this theory that there is one guy on the NC Soft Team that is the sole contributor to ALL of this game's design issues.

I've stated this before. But I think that the "Top designers" are very busy, so they take certain thing "so far". Then they hand it over to "Hughey" and Hughey adds his own personal "whacked" touch.

"Hughey" is responsible for D grade Elven Mithril, "How humans stand and run", dark crystal, the new area of Schuttgart which "isn't so new", the blandness of the Catacombs, and whatever you can think of.

It's a shame that the other mage classes have been hit so hard. I used to like the idea that there were fewer Spell Howlers. Now everyone and their uncle seems to be subbing them.

Oh well.


LMAO geez I don't want to hit AG, only because I'd be grossed out everytime I take a look at my SH wearing DC.. lol she looks like a circus preformer :(



Quoted for Truth

I have this theory that there is one guy on the NC Soft Team that is the sole contributor to ALL of this game's design issues.

I've stated this before. But I think that the "Top designers" are very busy, so they take certain thing "so far". Then they hand it over to "Hughey" and Hughey adds his own personal "whacked" touch.

"Hughey" is responsible for D grade Elven Mithril, "How humans stand and run", dark crystal, the new area of Schuttgart which "isn't so new", the blandness of the Catacombs, and whatever you can think of.

It's a shame that the other mage classes have been hit so hard. I used to like the idea that there were fewer Spell Howlers. Now everyone and their uncle seems to be subbing them.

Oh well.


So true!

I actually made my SH at the same time as my PP, I couldn't handle leveling both, so I leveled my PP till 56 & then stopped & now currently went back to my SH.
So I've had my SH for almost a year now, just left her sitting there till I was satisfied with my PP first. :p
I kinda wish I leveled my SH before my PP. My PP was a pain to level & my SH is actually a lot of fun
(not saying I didn't have fun at times with my PP)
:p
I like my spellsinger but without my SE I wouldn't ;)
Go Go BtM1 at A grade!

Go Go BtM1 at A grade!


Having only level BTM at AG does suck, but it would probably suck even more if you didn't have it at all. (SPS) :p
Oh you mean like it would probably suck if we didn't have the faster mana recovery? :)p

Oh you mean like it would probably suck if we didn't have the faster mana recovery? :)p

Well the only way you would know is if you talked to another SPS, & I bet some SPS would rather have BTM then mana recovery, actually I can go find that thread I read, where an SPS was actually complaining about only getting faster recovery, where as other classes get BTM. :p
OH WAIT thats this thread LMAO - the OP opens up with how expensive that skill is hehe :eek:
Sorcerer/Sorceress is still my favourite. 2nd is SH/Necro and 3rd place for SPS.
A fine argument if I didn't party with an SpS on a regular basis. My clan officer LadyMoira is an A grade Sps. So yeah... I know a little bit about her struggles.

BtM1 blows for an A grader. Your attempt to take yet another wild swing at me by comparing the Sorc with their mighty BtM1 to the poor SpS with no BtM at all would have been great if not for the fact that the SpS has that faster mana recovery thing.

It may be expensive, it may certainly suck as well. But it is there. And your thrust missed its mark. Nice try though.

Thank you, please come again.
I think an SpS's Mana Regen is superior to B2M Lv 1 because you dont have to bother doing it, and +22 MP will equal what the Regen has done anyway.

I think an SpS's Mana Regen is superior to B2M Lv 1 because you dont have to bother doing it, and +22 MP will equal what the Regen has done anyway.



Yes, what EQ said too, BTM1 really ain't worth it after 52. Still it does a bit of effect and together with a good SE and some mana herbs you can keep going for quite some time.

Where other characters just keep on going, no matter what drops or recharges.

Hi **

i have an SPS lvl 66 :) and ask me was it the right choose?
Every other class have BTM, And what have SPS? :mad:
Faster mana Recovery which costs tons of stones :mad: :mad:
:)



-Fastest Casting Speed
-Sleep Cloud
-Aura Flare
-Cancel
-More than one Aoe Nuke
-Dotting/ slowing nukes that land debuffs on whites

Don't complain. It's exactly what you signed up for. It would be equally stupid of me to expect these things on my SHs.

Seriously... no Sleep Cloud or aoe nuke outside of Tempest... but we get Poison Cloud instead. GFG.

....

Btw, I love the fact that Cancel, Aura Flare, and Sleep nerfs put SHs back on the pvp list. Now we won't be utterly dominated by SPSs anymore. Cry more please. IT COMPLETES ME!
i luve my Sps hes the bestest nuker of all :P
Seriouslly i liek him, hes in the early 70's now n finally as A Grade equipment, so hes great...
lol, did i mentioned he was great :)

But my Sps as a flaw, the MP thing, if i dont duo with an SE, i dont play him much, down time is a lil to much for me, as specially when used to lvling with an SE.

I also duo an SO with Dark wizzard and its a good duo to. I luve the BTM ofc its a welcome change from my Sps, but not enuff to make him my main, u know... im happy with the Sps's limitations i guess...

SO SPS is the best.... :P... lol

Cheers!!

A fine argument if I didn't party with an SpS on a regular basis. My clan officer LadyMoira is an A grade Sps. So yeah... I know a little bit about her struggles.

BtM1 blows for an A grader. Your attempt to take yet another wild swing at me by comparing the Sorc with their mighty BtM1 to the poor SpS with no BtM at all would have been great if not for the fact that the SpS has that faster mana recovery thing.

It may be expensive, it may certainly suck as well. But it is there. And your thrust missed its mark. Nice try though.

Thank you, please come again.


LOL there was no mark, the OP said how they are upset with the fact that they get faster recovery & everyother class gets BTM. So, as you say that BTM level 1 sucks at AG, this SPS is saying that at AG faster recovery sucks. Seriously, everyone will have there own opinion. No attempted swings at you, because I actually don't care too. :p
Spellsingers: Spending 15 spirit ore per buff round for about 2 more MP a tick.. woot..

Sorcerers: Having to give up Auto-spiritshot to do a lvl 1 BTM and not having a drain to make up for it.. woot..

Which one is worth more: nada, zero or zilt?

Spellsingers: Spending 15 spirit ore per buff round for about 2 more MP a tick.. woot..

Sorcerers: Having to give up Auto-spiritshot to do a lvl 1 BTM and not having a drain to make up for it.. woot..

Which one is worth more: nada, zero or zilt?



omg Corpse Life Drain lvl 1!!
The lower the mob's lvl is.... the less life it gives. Unless you are 6x hunting lvl 30 mobs... it wont give any hp back ( and it probably wouldnt give any hp back anyways... because you are too high for the mob ).


Spellsingers: Spending 15 spirit ore per buff round for about 2 more MP a tick.. woot..

Sorcerers: Having to give up Auto-spiritshot to do a lvl 1 BTM and not having a drain to make up for it.. woot..

Which one is worth more: nada, zero or zilt?



omg Corpse Life Drain lvl 1!!



lol.. Exactly.. +50 HP.. lol
ok ok ok

Ty for this realy many answers.
I thinck my SPs was the right choice.

Good to know, so i can better sleep this night :p
I don't get jack back on CLD even with white, yellow or red mobs. The skill level at my toon's level is just too low. Just an fyi.
Oh, and since I haven't used it in such a long time, I can't recall, How much MP do I have to spend on CLD to try to regain some of the 133 hp used for the 22 mp I get frm the BtM?


LOL
CDL though... now that's an awesome skill. SHs/ Necros ftw!

I don't get jack back on CLD even with white, yellow or red mobs. The skill level at my toon's level is just too low. Just an fyi.
Oh, and since I haven't used it in such a long time, I can't recall, How much MP do I have to spend on CLD to try to regain some of the 133 hp used for the 22 mp I get frm the BtM?


LOL



14Mp, you have it back in 1 thick.
lol ok, so I spend 133 hp to het 22 mp, then spend 14 of that mp to get 50 hp back (or 0 in my case)

Anyone see how this... DOESN"T WORK!?!?


lol
Yeah, exactly what I'm saying.. Spellsingers and Sorcerers don't get any decent mana management skills, the ones we get are there just for looks.. So there's no point in comparing. Basically we're made to duo with a SE or with an EE.

Yeah, exactly what I'm saying.. Spellsingers and Sorcerers don't get any decent mana management skills, the ones we get are there just for looks.. So there's no point in comparing. Basically we're made to duo with a SE or with an EE.



Exactly,

Most SPS wont solo without having an SE or EE beside them.
holy shiet what have i done :)
the thread goes bigger and bigger

MORE MORE MORE :p
I don't play my mage anymore since c5. Archer is way better.

with CoV... is lol. Crit people for soooo much damage. can't wait for 76 and drac focus.


Exactly,

Most SPS wont solo without having an SE or EE beside them.


Could someone with the patience of a Saint please attempt to explain the concept of SOLOing to Tiffy?


Thanks a bunch.



Exactly,

Most SPS wont solo without having an SE or EE beside them.


Could someone with the patience of a Saint please attempt to explain the concept of SOLOing to Tiffy?


Thanks a bunch.



Solo is for most people duo-boxing or quad-boxing, Im sure you know that.
??????

Solo: n. A thing done by one person unaccompanied, in particular.
v. perform something unaccompanied, in particular

I think most people know what SOLOing is, but some want to pretend that having boxed or out of party assistance is still SOLOing... which it is not.

When I say SOLOing, I mean SOLOing, not DUALing, PARTYing or being the ONE person in my GROUP getting all the xp.

:)

??????

Solo: n. A thing done by one person unaccompanied, in particular.
v. perform something unaccompanied, in particular

I think most people know what SOLOing is, but some want to pretend that having boxed or out of party assistance is still SOLOing... which it is not.

When I say SOLOing, I mean SOLOing, not DUALing, PARTYing or being the ONE person in my GROUP getting all the xp.

:)



Ok, but dont go and tell me there is no SE in your alliance that wants to party up with you?

Besides recharging, the occasional heal and root and the buffs they dont need to do much more.

And in the end you make more xp-sp then when you actually solo.



Exactly,

Most SPS wont solo without having an SE or EE beside them.


Could someone with the patience of a Saint please attempt to explain the concept of SOLOing to Tiffy?


Thanks a bunch.

OH you mean, no one else out there calls "when your boxed" soloing? O so everyone when you have a boxed toon & your out there leveling with your main, remember to call it DUOING, or you might confuse EQ lol :eek:
....
1) what toons other people may or may not play, and the availability of them to come and perty with me is a fine question, but I'm not talking about an SE am I?

I am talking about the Sorc. If my sorc has to rely on someone else to be effective that in and of itself demonstrates that my class is no longer effective.

Thank you for demonstrating how the Sorc (and SpS) is a half of a class now and is wholly reliant upon another toon to play.

So, the conversation goes to soloing and you have to skip over that entirely and go to the classes I need to party with just to play the game.

And yes, if I had an SE (happen to know a lot of mid 70's SE hanging around waiting for me to ask them to party? please list them here) I'd make more XP-SP than soloing because a Sorc soloing has always been a slow process because of poor mana management and now without CC abilities we lose the xp almost as fast (or slow) as we gain it.

OH you mean, no one else out there calls "when your boxed" soloing? O so everyone when you have a boxed toon & your out there leveling with your main, remember to call it DUOING, or you might confuse EQ lol :eek:



Hm if you and a partner kill someone in pvp do you tell them how you owned them 1v1?

Your inability to use the term SOLO correctly is your issue not mine. I'm not the one confusing it. Maybe Solo has a new definition you should inform Websters about LOL

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1) what toons other people may or may not play, and the availability of them to come and perty with me is a fine question, but I'm not talking about an SE am I?

I am talking about the Sorc. If my sorc has to rely on someone else to be effective that in and of itself demonstrates that my class is no longer effective.

Thank you for demonstrating how the Sorc (and SpS) is a half of a class now and is wholly reliant upon another toon to play.

So, the conversation goes to soloing and you have to skip over that entirely and go to the classes I need to party with just to play the game.

And yes, if I had an SE (happen to know a lot of mid 70's SE hanging around waiting for me to ask them to party? please list them here) I'd make more XP-SP than soloing because a Sorc soloing has always been a slow process because of poor mana management and now without CC abilities we lose the xp almost as fast (or slow) as we gain it.



Still surprises me why people think they always have to solo to grind xp together in an MMORPG.

No interest in saying more then that.


OH you mean, no one else out there calls "when your boxed" soloing? O so everyone when you have a boxed toon & your out there leveling with your main, remember to call it DUOING, or you might confuse EQ lol :eek:



Hm if you and a partner kill someone in pvp do you tell them how you owned them 1v1?

Your inability to use the term SOLO correctly is your issue not mine. I'm not the one confusing it. Maybe Solo has a new definition you should inform Websters about LOL


OH so now "boxed" term is a partner, I don't feel the need to use "partners" when I PVP or PVE. So when I 1on1 yes I use that term.
Also if your an SH & you "boxed" a SE, & 1on1, but the SE could be sitting in town or somewhere & still in your party, but not use them, does that mean it's still unfair to say you 1on1, even if the other "partner" wasn't used to begin with?

I guess L2 players have to change there vocabulary from "boxed" to "partner" now.

If you & an actual live partner, fought someone else then it would be called Duo 2vs1 or 2vs2.
If you've got a boxed toon, & you kill someone with your SH & your "boxed" toon did nothing but stood there, then thats called being OWNED 1on1, because as much as you think that "boxed char" or "partner" had as much hand in that win, I'm sorry to say, but they didn't. :p
Tiffy, your homework assignment for tonight is learning and understanding the meaning of two words.

1) Analogy

2) Solo

Now run along.
Soloing as in:

Unbuffed (or only on self buffs) killing mobsies unaccompanied in order to grow the character to a higher level, gaining adenas to keep for yourself and SP's to buy the needed upgrades to your char's damage output and defensive range.

Is that well said?

Yes I have the patience of a saint ^^ specially with Tiffy,but I'm sure she knew what SOLOING means even without this rediculous answer I just posted :)

Btw....I may be spotted DUO'ing most of my time now with our clan SE...I do know the drill and the sweat and the tears of one man grinding for over 5 chronicles now ;) But I like the company over XP/SP (that's just how I like the game ^^)

Ok that was OFF topic now on:

I love my sorceress even if her sleep and crowd control got nerved and that stun gets in the way and Arcehrs/daggers (or any melee class for that matter if they are fast and sneaky enough) own us BIG time.

It's not easy specially because of very bad mana management options we have (sorry but the BtM option is one I use in parties most because I can't afford to go too low on the HP side when solo, and frankly 133 HP towards 22MP back is a joke...Anyways) and the easiness with what we are stunned. Still I find there is a balanced output to a sorceress (sorry I use female version) even though it requires the needed effort and tactical planning these days :s Which doesn't really make the grinding go faster.

As for the debate of which Mage class is better then the other I will not debate on that as I didn't play them all so can't really make comparisons nor do I like to look at a char like being UBER towards another. A lot depends on the player's play-style, his ambitions with his/her char and the joy they get out of it. I know I like the "Nuke away' style...Am a bit jealous at the higher damage output of an SH and the speed of an SpS BUT I'm satisfied (for my game play) with what my sorc gives. She may not be the TOP of the TOP, will most likely never be a hero nor will she own in PvP, she gives me joy and I like the options I have.
Excellent response Leyanire. Fair and honest.
First a word about mana regen...

Confused sorcs should note that B2M1 is better mana regen than Sps mana regen spell at max rank... yes I know you lose HP in the process, but lets be frank... the HP lost simply doesn't matter in the long run. Use pots, wait for the group heal to go off, whatever...HP is an easy stat to fix. Mana is not.

22 mana (one cast) is more mana (net) than the Spellsinger gets from his regen spell in the first 80 seconds of his spell.
If you can manage 4 of them per minute, you are getting 10% more than the spellsinger can get out of his max rank mana regen spell that costs adena for him to cast.

Yes, Spellsinger mana regen is that bad.

Yes, I agree Sorcs need help too, but let's not move forward with anything less than the truth.


Speaking of the truth, let's take a look at the confused SH.



-Fastest Casting Speed




Sps have this still although not many people notice the difference between SH's 1100 cast speed and Sps 1313.
SH nuke at 1100 speed with Bsps is .6 seconds
Sps nuke at 1313 speed with Bsps at just over .5 seconds



-Sleep Cloud




Nerfed to pointlessness... as it stands we should get our SP back. Start casting... run to the bathroom, get a snack, come back and you might almost be done casting Sleep cloud. Of course more than half the mobs are dead by the time the spell does anythign at all and now 30% of the remaining mobs are beating on you unless they are already controlled. (in which case you didn't need Sleeping cloud.
Dead spell.



-Aura Flare




Nerfed in PvP so badly that it isn't even an option.
PvE its a pointless spell.
I want my SP back, yes its that bad.
Dead spell



-Cancel




Still a solid spell despite the heavy nerfs... this is the one spell that truly required a nerf and they finally did it right except for one problem... the buffs it takes should be random.



-More than one Aoe Nuke




This is true... but one is close range... think of it as a cone-shaped ice AoE. Its a bit of a pain to use, but is useful.



-Dotting/ slowing nukes that land debuffs on whites




Frost Bolt is useful, but not as nice as curse:slow in most cases. Our dots are 100% useless because of their horrible land rate and miserable damage and mana efficiency. Ice dagger lands less than half the time on even targets with a bsps and does minimal damage. Ice dagger costs as much as a normal nuke and does less than 75% of the damage when used regularly. Frozen Shackle sounds cool but is simply a DoT that does the damage you bsps nuke does at a higher mana cost and that hits 80% of the time with a bsps.
Why woudl I take an 80% hit rate and wait 10 seconds when I can have 99% hit rate immediately? Especially when Frozen shackle costs significantly more than a normal nuke...
Dead spells witht he exception of Frost Bolt, and even then, slow is better.



Don't complain. It's exactly what you signed up for. It would be equally stupid of me to expect these things on my SHs.




You are confused... I can and will complain about it... and with **** good reason.
I signed up for spells that worked and had a point.
A good portion of my spells have been nerfed into complete pointlessness, and most of the rest have taken significant nerfs. The few spells that have been added since then do not really help the whole mana problem thing and meanwhile, the mobs are tougher, faster, and smarter.



Seriously... no Sleep Cloud or aoe nuke outside of Tempest... but we get Poison Cloud instead. GFG.




I'll trade you sleepcloud for slience.
We both know you came out like a bandit with the godly buff to silence and the pointless nerfbatting into trash sleepcloud received.

Tempest is the definition of AoE... you have no reason to complain (same as the Spellsinger ranged AoE) DoTs in general are useless in this game, so I will give you that AoE poison is junk...



Btw, I love the fact that Cancel, Aura Flare, and Sleep nerfs put SHs back on the pvp list. Now we won't be utterly dominated by SPSs anymore. Cry more please. IT COMPLETES ME!



Yah, you can just drop a one-hit silence for the easy win...
Never mind having to prepare and learn tactics... you press the IWIN button.

Cancel/sleeplock was indeed bad for the game, and I am glad it is gone. IWIN combos suck.

However, at least it required multiple spells to land and everyone could get out of it.

C5's silence/paralyze 1-hit win fest is much worse and has less defenses and can be done more often. We replaced IWIN combos with IWIN buttons... good plan.

The pre-pubescents "I need cheese to win" can continue their gloating... they will still die to experienced players... but the game is worse overall.

C5 is a good thing in many ways, but the complete gutting of the Sorc/Sps is just plain wrong.
Cancel needed a nerf... control spells needed resist checks that worked... What we have is more powerful forms of control than sleep ruling the roost, with one-hit wins from archers and daggers at an insanely high percentage the norm...

That's not balance either.

Confused sorcs should note that B2M1 is better mana regen than Sps mana regen spell at max rank... yes I know you lose HP in the process, but lets be frank... the HP lost simply doesn't matter in the long run. Use pots, wait for the group heal to go off, whatever...HP is an easy stat to fix. Mana is not.



I have not debated the fact it's good or not in general. Just not for me ;) There is a diff in expressin and I'm far from being confused when it comes to mana regening :) I also never said the opposite ;)

By the way, I think you missed the point of this topic ;) which is about what mage class you like most and why :) not another who know's more about what on the mage (unless I missed the point of the OP)
THal, just for the record I was in no way suggesting that the SpS mana regen skill was quality or better than btm1.

My point was that btm1 sucked.

Someone attempted to counter it by suggesting at least the Sorc's sucky skill was better than no skill.

Well the SpS also have a sucky skill, so the poorly contrived counter to my point was crumbled, but it was not in an attempt to suggest that the SpS' crappy regen skill was worth mentioning any more than btm on an A grade sorc.

Believe me, I know very well how poorly SpS have it these days.
Mates Please,

read my Thread Titel.

What mage is your favorite?

Why do you write some other thincks?
Its an easy question and easy to handle

If my sorc has to rely on someone else to be effective that in and of itself demonstrates that my class is no longer effective.



I know you dont really mean it but ill say it anyway. All classes have to rely on someone else to be effective, Daggers suck solo, Archer suck solo, Mages suck solo, they all need a Buffer/Healer to become 10x more effective then they are. This game isnt meant for Soloing (Past a certain lvl), no matter what NC says
....

All classes benefit from support. That is a given. However, there are classes whose roles aren't entirely forfeit without a secondary class on them.

Believe me, a dagger and an archer can solo effectively, as can a summoner.
an unbuffed archer is so terribly bad it's not even funny.

in fact, anything unbuffed is terrible. the only class that doesn't needs buffs are sommoners, cause they have their own buffs.
Kayosoni, my wife plays an SR. When she solos with only self buffs it's still many times better than my sorc soloing. I can't speak for the hawkeye or PR.

Yes we all do better with buffs.

Mates Please,

read my Thread Titel.

What mage is your favorite?

Why do you write some other thincks?
Its an easy question and easy to handle



Which is exactly the point I tried to make clear to Thalenduros in my last post ;)

The other stuff can go in a seperate topic :)

It's a very simple question indeed Dorian ^^ Who you favor in mage and why :) Nothing more nothing less :)

But I do have to support the last quote:


Kayosoni, my wife plays an SR. When she solos with only self buffs it's still many times better than my sorc soloing. I can't speak for the hawkeye or PR.

Yes we all do better with buffs.



Both are very selfsufficient and YES they can solo better.

Ok everyone...Per OP request BACK on topic ;)
My only serious personal experience with a mage has been Sorc. That said, I can only offer up that I would NOT recommend a Sorc. That leaves the question open for me. Sorry.
My Fave Mage:

Is the one that doesnt use 5 Nukes a mob.

Doesnt cast for 2 mins, sit for 18.

Doesnt 'Demand' that I Recharge them.

Asks nicely for buffs when they run out if ive missed them. Not 'Buff Me Now' (Applies to all classes.)

The person who can strike up a conversation and has a fun time with others.

The guy whos here to play for FUN, and not to omgwthpwn everything in PvP & PvE.

The guy who does his best with what hes given, a Mage that can adapt to these extreme changes is the guy im going to remember in the future.

My 2 Pennies =)
I think he meant to play, not fall in love with, hehe
Well I guess what im trying to say is, as long as you deal with what you have, and are proud of the Mage you've raised since you started it, and have fun, your good to go ^^
Proud is not how I feel. ****** on is how I feel. Lots of time grinding up a Sorc. dealing with the drawbacks it has beacuse it was a fair sacrifice for the benefits it promised. Then C5 hits and like that over half of the elements that I choose the class for in the first place are stripped.

That is why I dislike nerfs.
Being honest, ive experienced nothing but Boosts as my EE, ive started from the Bottom and boosted my way up to 'Not NEEDED, byt Greatly Wanted'. And im content with it, no more just. 'GLF SE/WC' (Its not an SE/WC Bash for god sake! ><)

Mages rarely have a place in groups anyway, you only invite one if they are a Clannie/Ally.
Indirect answers are often the best ones.

We are telling you first-person experiences with two of the three main-line mage classes.

Experience speaks volumes.

Sps and Sorc are at the very least very negatively affected.
SH are noting their overall happiness.

The answer is not nearly as important as WHY they think that way, because WHY is more important than a vote one way or the other.

If you haven't figured out my answer for the topic by now, then I suggest you re-read.

Meanwhile, I will continue to dispel myths posted.

Being honest, ive experienced nothing but Boosts as my EE, ive started from the Bottom and boosted my way up to 'Not NEEDED, byt Greatly Wanted'. And im content with it, no more just. 'GLF SE/WC' (Its not an SE/WC Bash for god sake! ><)

Mages rarely have a place in groups anyway, you only invite one if they are a Clannie/Ally.



I disaggree ;)

But then again not everyone sees eye to eye with how I 'run' things on my end of Aden either :) Welcome any time in my parties..

But YET again we are drifting off the point the OP really wants to get...A mage class you really like, with it's cons and pros and with some feedback as to why that class ;)

Indirect answers are often the best ones.

We are telling you first-person experiences with two of the three main-line mage classes.

Experience speaks volumes.

Sps and Sorc are at the very least very negatively affected.
SH are noting their overall happiness.

The answer is not nearly as important as WHY they think that way, because WHY is more important than a vote one way or the other.

If you haven't figured out my answer for the topic by now, then I suggest you re-read.

Meanwhile, I will continue to dispel myths posted.



As stated before...I'm a sorc since prelude ^^ and the OP is not here to get info one who is better, just WHY you like it so much without all the troulala of debatable details ;) (topics enough going on that matter)
I've been a sorc since prelude too, and it was an excellent pvp class... until c5.

and it probably won't ever see a higher level than 76.

basically the point is, play a necro, or play something else that isn't a mage.

as you can see, with the proper buffs (this is after getting cancelled) (http://www.siegedom.com/Files/L2/L2MakkanaDown.jpg) mages do virtually no damage in c5.



I know you dont really mean it but ill say it anyway. All classes have to rely on someone else to be effective, Daggers suck solo, Archer suck solo, Mages suck solo, they all need a Buffer/Healer to become 10x more effective then they are. This game isnt meant for Soloing (Past a certain lvl), no matter what NC says



My archer is quite good at solo... my dagger is insanely good at it... both are better than a Sps by a pretty good margin.

NO class requires a buffer to solo, although a buffer/support class makes you insanely more powerful.

The game is meant for fun... accepting limitations is a part of that fun. Grouping is fun and is much more fun that soloing, but standing around waiting for a group is less fun than soloing. Ideally, every class should be able to solo to some degree while they wait for a group to form.

When an entire subset of class is not grouped because they are a detriment to that group due to overreliance... then they are forced to solo. When you are overreliant, you cannot solo well either.

The saddest part is having to guess which class will be made completely pointless next patch.
to be honest i think all mages are bad class without a SE
they are efficent with SE but i cant even start to think if empower 3 is gone OMG recharge gone o.0 i will rest more then cast lol i think in general this all count for all class's expect a few i think WC can still be efficent even totaly solo
or a summoner but how much will it them cost per 20 mins??

to be honest i think all mages are bad class without a SE
they are efficent with SE but i cant even start to think if empower 3 is gone OMG recharge gone o.0 i will rest more then cast lol i think in general this all count for all class's expect a few i think WC can still be efficent even totaly solo
or a summoner but how much will it them cost per 20 mins??



Probably as much as lvling an archer solo unbuffed. It's the same pain.
I have grindined almost all of my levels without empower period. :O

I have grindined almost all of my levels without empower period. :O



and what level are you?


I have grindined almost all of my levels without empower period. :O



and what level are you?


Wrong question ;) .. And high enough to know what he's saying :)

to be honest i think all mages are bad class without a SE
they are efficent with SE but i cant even start to think if empower 3



Not true. Not for an SH with regular gear ( meaning the appropriate gears for your grade ) an SH can easily solo to 76.

40-60 IT-Aden-FP-GC-FG 1-2 shotting single/ half hp mobs.
60-68 Valley of Saints
68+ goddard region to one shot the half hp mobs near the town, two shot the single hp mobs near the sepulcher, or three+ shot the any of the 2x+ hp mobs

All unbuffed.

At 61 I went and bought a second acount... lvling an so to 25 for emp 1.... and that was only because I wanted to get a higher bonus per overhit at VoS.... but I didn't want to use demon who's lower p def, -2 wit, and -250 hp would slow me down and put me in too much danger. Seriously... that +15% exp I getbecause of empower is well worth the $15.... but the fact remains, SHs can do just fine without buffs.

Oh... and B2M+ Vampiric Claw ( though not anymore thanks to c5 increasing the mana by 20% ) + Corpse life drain + Clear mind keeps you up for a good long time. Well over a buff round... and up to an hour if you never miss a b2m+drain cycle or even longer if you use heal pots instead of drains. You last even longer using death spike... but that's too expensive for me =)

Oh... and B2M+ Vampiric Claw ( though not anymore thanks to c5 increasing the mana by 20% ) + Corpse life drain + Clear mind keeps you up for a good long time. Well over a buff round... and up to an hour if you never miss a b2m+drain cycle or even longer if you use heal pots instead of drains. You last even longer using death spike... but that's too expensive for me =)


thats what makes sh and necro vastly suppirior to sps
combine that with a baby pet and you have zero downtime from 0-78