Re: All women gamers, please stand up

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BBC Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5407490.stm)

The debate about how to get women more involved in gaming is a perennial one and one on which there is pretty wide agreement that not enough is being done.
There is, the argument goes, a failing at the heart of the gaming industry to engage women. But, as women increasingly make up the numbers in gaming statistics, there is also a growing realisation that there is a lot of money to be made from this burgeoning market.

Women now account for around a third of UK gamers, so it is time to stop talking about women in gaming as if they lived in a separate universe?

"I wish it no longer had to be talked about as a separate entity but unfortunately it is the case that games still aren't designed or marketed towards women and that has to be dealt with," said Kirsten Kearney.

Ms Kearney knows what she is talking about. As well as being a games industry journalist she is also a Frag Doll - a small group of women selected by video games firm Ubisoft specifically to promote women gamers.


There is still a perception, she said, that women who play male-dominated games are going to be ignored, shouted down or chatted up by men they will be playing against.

"There is a preconceived notion that you will feel out of place but that isn't borne out by women who are actually playing games," she said.

Pink PlayStation

As well as appearing at events such as this weekend's World Series of Video Games at London's Trocadero, The Frag Dolls run a website aimed at being a friendly first-stop for women wanting to get more involved in games.

Women can play games, chat in the forums or take part in Frag Doll Friday, a increasingly popular event where women are invited to play a certain game together.

Thirty-something women are the first generation of women to have grown up with video games.

"I started off playing Pong 25 years ago, then I had a GamesBoy and played SuperMario. There are plenty of girls who did this but when you ask if they are gamers they say no," said Ms Kearney.

If that generation was somehow lost along the way, there is plenty of evidence that young girls today are keen gamers.

Princess Fashion Boutique, a game designed by Buena Vista Games and aimed at girls aged six to 11, has held the number one position in the Children's PC chart from May 2004 until July 2006.

Sony has cottoned on to this new market and is due to bring out pink PlayStations to appeal specifically to young girls.

"Some adult women gamers are offended by that but I would say it is just one attempt to bring girls into gaming," said Ms Kearney.

"But pink is not enough. There needs to be changes across the board. So, for example, if I go to choose a character to play as and they are all male then I am going to think this isn't aimed at me," she said.

Role-playing


Playing a desperate housewife could entice women gamers

There is evidence to suggest that, despite the obstacles, young girls carry on playing games.

Research done by gaming firm Electronic Arts' found that 40% of teenage girls played video games but, crucially, they seem to lose interest within a year.

For teenage girls, at a complex stage of development, it may simply be that real life takes over.

Games such as The Sims and Second Life are increasingly offering a bridge between the virtual and real worlds which could be enough to hold girls' interest.

The emphasis on community and building things rather than traditional shoot-em-ups is appealing to females, as is the sense of creating a character who can live out real-life fantasies.

"My sister loves Second Life. She bought herself the biggest wedding dress and wears it all the time she is playing," said Ms Kearney.

Women are beginning to carve out their own niche in the gaming industry. Nintendo's Nintendogs and Brain Training games for the Nintendo DS have been hugely popular with women.

Social aspect

Buena Vista Games is trying to find ways of uniting the gaming world and the daily life of women by turning to TV shows for inspiration.

Its Desperate Housewives game is aimed, if not exactly at desperate housewives, then certainly at women of a particular age who were fans of the US TV drama.

It will hit the stores next month, just in time to make it into women's Christmas stockings.

"Players will be able to move into Wisteria Lane and uncover secrets about other housewives as well as solving mysteries about themselves," explained Shan Savage, Buena Vista Games senior marketing manager.

"There has been a lot of stigma attached to gaming. It has been the preserve of geeky types sitting in their bedrooms but now there is more of a social aspect to gaming and women respond to that," she said.

EA's chief executive, David Gartner admitted at a recent gaming conference that his company could increase sales by a billion dollars if it cracked the problem of how to get women more involved in games.

That should be incentive enough for video games makers - and if they build it, then surely women will come.



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Cliff Notes please.

Games such as The Sims and Second Life are increasingly offering a bridge between the virtual and real worlds which could be enough to hold girls' interest.

The emphasis on community and building things rather than traditional shoot-em-ups is appealing to females, as is the sense of creating a character who can live out real-life fantasies.

"My sister loves Second Life. She bought herself the biggest wedding dress and wears it all the time she is playing," said Ms Kearney.



do we have a /gag command? they talk about role-playing games and this is the best they can do? maybe they can go and make a virtual version of the Easy-Bake Oven, where everybody brings goodies to a bake sale and competitions for who has the best dress on, since all "girls" are interested in is "community" and "building things".

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Man oh man, that article got under my skin. Here's how I got into MMORGs; my b/f at the time built a toon with my bosses name and let me kill it over and over with his archer.

I was hooked from then on. If only the author had spoken with some real women, instead of the residents of Stepford (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327162/), then there might really be something to it all!
Ohhh, Easy-Bake online sounds fun!
Call me crazy, but the idea of creating a Universally Appealing Game For Women is ridiculous.

So is expecting an article that talks about reaching out to a sector of the consumer base to appeal specifically to YOU.

Women gamers are just as diversified as male gamers. So while no game company can expect to create the "right" game for all women players, women players should not get angry or offended when gaming companies target women gamers in a way that does not match their personal playstyles.

In the end, if a game is making money, it's doing something right by delivering to an audience.

Call me crazy, but the idea of creating a Universally Appealing Game For Women is ridiculous.

So is expecting an article that talks about reaching out to a sector of the consumer base to appeal specifically to YOU.

Women gamers are just as diversified as male gamers. So while no game company can expect to create the "right" game for all women players, women players should not get angry or offended when gaming companies target women gamers in a way that does not match their personal playstyles.

In the end, if a game is making money, it's doing something right by delivering to an audience.



Certainly not universally, but market oriented. If I want to open a store for women's sporting goods I certainly won't carry a lot of football equipment. I'm sure there are girls that want to play football somewhere who will protest...but whatever, the majority market is of primary concern. And if more a large % of women are being hooked into games via The Sims...more power to the developers.

Going off on a tirade like tigerlady that the women playing these games and having fun are not "real women" because they don't play shootem ups is just absurd. Tossing the idea that sexuality has a proclivity for genre is just absurd. Let's go check novel sales for what is making the most money. I bet lots of women read sci fi, but most of the female income comes from Oprah's book club. If you think that demeans women, well then I'd suggest you're the one uncomfortable with your sexuality. My girlfriend likes girly games and cooking. Guess what, so do many women...hence the classification. Most American men like baseball. I don't. You don't see me throwing a fit about it. I play hockey and we both get together and make fun of the Soccer players :p
I am woman, I play games, I can chew anything they say about female gamers "really want and really need", but plese, for God's sake, do not stereotypise(sp) us with something like "pink console". Oh...My...God :(
no freaking kidding,

all the women campaigns are more along the lines of promoting the stereotypical genders.

Why wouldn't a womens sports store have football equipment? It should have everything, form fitted and designed for women. Your a ****** imo if you figure cutting sports completely outa the scope is a good practice.

I'm ****** off enough that women are fighting for mixed sports teams and people saying that they shouldn't be doing that, and that they'll get hurt. wtf, course they'll get hurt, no different then a man playing the freaking games.

They are trying to saturate the market with basically [censored] games that they "think" appeal to women, when it's not really the case.

I don't know, plenty of women are playing Counter Strike source and Unreal Tournament just as good if not better then some of the men, but then again, theres always someone better then you, reguardless of gender.

I'm ****** off enough that women are fighting for mixed sports teams and people saying that they shouldn't be doing that, and that they'll get hurt. wtf, course they'll get hurt, no different then a man playing the freaking games.


Let it work both ways, then. There are sports that should be gender neutral yet they have mens and womens teams. Get rid of them all, have no quotas and let talent sort it out.

Is bowling "tougher" for women?? Or golf??

I draw the line at mudwrestling, however.
lol

but yes.... there shouldn't be a "only girls" "only boys" teams and leagues..
As far as I know there is no rule against women playing in the NHL, NFL or MLB. Go for it.
Actually in canada, there was a fight in court about it. 2 Woman finally gained the "right" to get into hockey leagues. Now theres a bit of an uproar.

Next time you have a chance, if your maile, ask to join a womens team, or vice versa. And wait for the responce.. even if you don't plan to join....
pink playstation O.O gimme
:P
Its a change of colour, a pure cosmetic ajustment, changing the colour wont change the games o.O Do they think ANYONE is that stupid?

Whats next? change the Barbie colour to Blue and guys will start buying? Lol.

Whats next? change the Barbie colour to Blue and guys will start buying? Lol.



It's called a G.I. Joe O.o
GI Joes were blue?
"A purely visual change," at any rate.
Like pink iPods.
I actually like cute things - but a different colour, while I would choose it at equal price, wouldn't be the deciding factor in a purchase (unless it were clothing or artwork, of course, but that's obviously different from, say, a gaming console).
Darn this looks like a serious issue and here I am standing with the water hose in hand.

Darn this looks like a serious issue and here I am standing with the water hose in hand.


What color is it? ;)


I'm ****** off enough that women are fighting for mixed sports teams and people saying that they shouldn't be doing that, and that they'll get hurt. wtf, course they'll get hurt, no different then a man playing the freaking games.


Let it work both ways, then. There are sports that should be gender neutral yet they have mens and womens teams. Get rid of them all, have no quotas and let talent sort it out.

Is bowling "tougher" for women?? Or golf??

I draw the line at mudwrestling, however.



Title IX is a ***** joke. I can't get people to pay to watch me play hockey, therefore, the school should foot the bill.
well =p

Being a woman myself, all I can say.. I dont understand women =P
They prefer to do tedious things, like watching the same drama movie over and over again, or spent the whole afternoon with their hair x_x no ty.
One thing that nobody talks about here is that if they took away the gender from all sports and make everything one big team, for a few years there would be no women playing competitive sports. Mostly because male sports have been competitive for so much longer that they have gotten to another level than what most (read most, not all) women sports have gotten to.

Ofc i want women playing video games, we all do, but making "barbie doll" games just to sell them to women is not the right way to do it. The best way to do it would be to incorporate women into games by having theme days and "pay and play" days only for women. Where they could come and try out all the games that people play these days.
now thats more like it! :)

One thing that nobody talks about here is that if they took away the gender from all sports and make everything one big team, for a few years there would be no women playing competitive sports. Mostly because male sports have been competitive for so much longer that they have gotten to another level than what most (read most, not all) women sports have gotten to.

Ofc i want women playing video games, we all do, but making "barbie doll" games just to sell them to women is not the right way to do it. The best way to do it would be to incorporate women into games by having theme days and "pay and play" days only for women. Where they could come and try out all the games that people play these days.



ROFL you try that, I'm gonna go publish a barbie game that sells half a million copies overnight. Or the next cabbage patch doll. There is only one rule in business, profit.
One of my better online buddies is a female gamer, and it's funny listening to her stories and anecdotes sometimes.

I often invite her to play those casual free online games like gunbound and whatnot, and she sometimes picks male chars because she just doesn't want to deal with the "hey baby", "hi asl", and "r u rly a girl???"

Back in my mechwarrior 2 days, I was in a clan with a 40 year old married woman with kids. She tutored the entire group of well over 20 people over voice chat and easily kicked all our [censored].
Critical hit. Weapon: Destroyed. Weapon: Destroyed. Weapon: Destroyed. Weapon: Destroyed.

I find that female gamers are generally more fun to play with and against, as they aren't as competitive. They seem to be more in it for the fun of it and not to prove something, which is what games are all about.

I find that female gamers are generally more fun to play with and against, as they aren't as competitive. They seem to be more in it for the fun of it and not to prove something, which is what games are all about.



+1
Maybe if his wife had washed his Notre Dame shirt, he wouldn't have to do that.
ROFL, touche! :) I'd say more, but I have to go do the laundry. You know that's why us women have smaller feet btw; so we can stand closer to the household appliances...or maybe it's because things don't grow well in the shade. ;)
That's why you go bare...foot.
Why must girls be "engaged", its like they're seen as little fumbling kids that can't voice themselves or needs to be seperated into a seperate identity just to have meaning.
By "it's like" do you imply they aren't? Voice themselves? When I want my woman's opinion, I'll give it to her. :P

Ofc i want women playing video games, we all do, but making "barbie doll" games just to sell them to women is not the right way to do it.



Make a game like lineage2 and stick the barbie doll quest in there.
L2 is a Barbie Doll Game. I get to collect an entire wardrobe for my girl. I can change what she wears all the time, change her hair at the same time, make her stand around in funny poses, shop til I drop and when Im bored I'll just pretend to have Multiple Personality Disorder and go kill people....er...mobs.