AA worth upgrading?

Franz Started Last reply 27 posts
Was just wondering if anyone has done the math..
It it cheaper to just buy top duals? or use AA to upgrade from lowest to top with AA at the blacksmith? OR is it cheaper to get two swords and upgrade them individually?
Ive also thought of just selling the AA for 2a each..
well since i dont got that much money and prolly never will, im just sticking with upgrading my str long bow to light crossbow and then moving on to emi bow piece by piece ^^
Two elements here... you have to craft top D and top C. You can hope to farm the key mats (edges and recipes) and then find a Dorf who also has the recipe and is willing to craft at a cost, or:

Part in your favorite Nec or Cat and get the AA dropped for 'free'. Should only a week or so to move from your mid D to your top D then if you continue this process, you can easily upgrade into the Top C weapon when that time comes
This is why you farm AA instead of buying it.

Farming AA is like farming adena x3 per mob. It works out in your best interest... buying AA is just stupid and is reserved for the lazy... or the... heh... you know.
Well what i have done is, farm blades and make mid D. farm AA like its going out of style and upgrade. It really does help alot. Now im in B grade i think im just going to get crystals and go get SoD's from the lux shop and swap for tsurugis then farm the SopS to dual them =P. B armor is gunna be a bytch to get though =*(

B armor is gunna be a bytch to get though =*(


guess why I am in no hurry to lvl...
haha yea but if you have the patience, its no biggy. Problem is, my patience is running out =P.
Seriously, Like the others have said, farm AA..

On average there is around 1million difference between 2nd top D (Tarbar) to a top D (BoneBreaker) spend a good few days farming AA and you will have that nice weapon.

Thats what i did since lvl20 so i could get Top C duals, probs the first to get them.. Then i made them +6 but thats a differnt story..
Pshhh first to get those maybe but i sure as hell am 1 of the 1st to get top B duals =P well I should rephrase that, one of the first Legit players. lol and aww man why retire a BD? that upsets me =( I remember seeing you runnin around in the areas I was in.
Because... Nukers FTW! Lame pvp is my thing lol. I never remember seeing you running around where i was, you stalking me or something? lol.
Nooo you have seen me My name isnt Deadlystrike in game, On hindemith it is. On Franz Its Stilletto, im a BD. . . from clan Envy.
Oh right.. Lol, well i still dont remember seeing you anywhere near me, maybe i really do have a memory like a gold fish..
lol you might =P who knows. BTW if you think BD's arent great in PvP then you must not know how to make one =) no offense. Levels 58+ is where the fun starts, at least I think so.
Leath,

Get your butt back on Hindemith.

Cheers,
Eats
Alright to get back on track from the original question...It's really tough to say. I've seen people trying to sell AA for 3A each around Franz which seams strange because everyone who doesn't is dirt poor and can't afford that...I'd say for now just earn your own AA and upgrade don't both spending that hard earned adena on something that was botted for overnight.
ok...a noob question now...where do I upgrade my D-weapon?
I tried going to the blacksmith but there's no option for exchanging my weapon for AA...
help plz???
Why does everything people are unhappy with have to have something to do with stuff that's against the EULA?
I''ve sold some AA for 3 adena per (because I could) - not large quantities, since I don't have a lot of AA and still would like to keep some for myself. But I can assure you, that the AA I've sold has not been obtained by botting (nor has anything else I possess been obtained by out of game means).

SpoilerWolf, you have to unequip your weapon - otherwise mammon can't "see" it.
Thanx Champa...
As for ur AA...I could not agree more...what I do with my AA is my own buisness...I still don't have much...but if they can bring me some xtra adena...y not selling them foR 2or3@ if I have a 2x or 3x gain to exchanging them to BM of Mammon?

P.s.:atm I usually run around in NoS...where does Blacksmith spawn???or is it at random?
IIRC the mammon you want ports around between catacombs, and I'm not aware of any particular route he takes.
He comes to catacombs not necropolis =*(.
oh...ok...thanx a lot!!!! :)
Okay Champa and spoiler you need to stop assuming was talking about you...I could care less what you do with your AA...the people I'm tlaking about are the random dwarfs named djfhalsjfha who are allready selling over 3mil AA for 3A each...now I know some legit players are gunna have millions of AA because they play way too much but you cannot deny the fact most of the dwarfs with random names with millions of AA have botted to receieve it...once again don't assume I'm talking about you
Ok man...got the point!
Sorry if I offended you by what I said.

P.S.: btw...u will never see a dwarf in gibberish name sell anything...it's farmer will...and it's true he's gonna sell em by the millions
I apologise. But maybe you should not generalize, if you don't want to be taken literally.

Okay Champa and spoiler you need to stop assuming was talking about you...I could care less what you do with your AA...the people I'm tlaking about are the random dwarfs named djfhalsjfha who are allready selling over 3mil AA for 3A each...now I know some legit players are gunna have millions of AA because they play way too much but you cannot deny the fact most of the dwarfs with random names with millions of AA have botted to receieve it...once again don't assume I'm talking about you



Willy...the problem is that again, you've made some wildly broad generalizations about the community.

Some of the people you see in Giran selling AA or materials or gear are probably controlled by a 3rd party program.

Some of them are probably people that don't want to have their main doing the selling or people who have a 2nd or 3rd account specifically for sitting in town.

It's not all that uncommon.

I have 2 accounts. When I solo I drag the second along behind me. But when I'm partied I don't use a second account in most cases for two reasons. First, I think the spot should go to another player...it's only fair. And second, it takes too much work to control a spoiler and a healer in a large party and play the classes as well as they should be played...I can do it...but I don't enjoy it, and that's why you play video games (I hope).

So when I'm in said party I have a little dwarf that sits on the other account in Giran and sells this or that. Granted, he has a "normal" name. But my brother's dwarf that he uses at night or when he's at the movie or whatever looks something like: aweroi22aw ---- because the first 4 names he tried were taken.

Why would people use an untagged alt to sell stuff? Well I go out of my way to not shop at the shops set up by enemies to my clan...there isn't a reason to help them out, and I'm certainly not the only one to do it. You could argue that a main would have a good chance to sell to his OWN clan. But that isn't true either since most clannies are inclined to ask you for a break on the price when they know you're not afk.

I'm not picking on you Willy...I just REALLY wish that you would be a little more thoughtful about the things that you post.

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BACK ON TOPIC:

It isn't a simple yes or no. I've NEVER found upgrading D to C or low to mid grade or mid grade to high-mid was a good investment.

If you're farming AA anyway it is arguably a good idea to upgrade from lux C to top C or from shop D to top D.

The factors you need to consider are:

Am I paying for my AA or am I grinding it?

If I grind it, am I doing so with a group that is covering my shop and port costs, and if not could I buy AA cheap enough to make my time spent grinding more porfitable somewhere else?

Could I sell my AA for enough to pay for a new weapon outright, or to cover the material costs needed to upgrade if I sold my current weapon?

How long am I willing to go without a weapon (if you sell your current one and your AA to pay for the crafting of a new weapon)?

How much time do I actually play? Would having a buy shop or sell shop up for long periods of time hinder my enjoyment of the game or would it not matter?

Can I SELL the materials needed to craft a weapon for enough to warrent buying a weapon at shop price instead of craft price?

By and large you can CRAFT a weapon for 2/3 of the cost to BUY a weapon from a sell shop if you're willing to purchase materials slowly and at a fair buy shop price. If you purchase your materials from a sell shop typically you break even on upper end weapons and frequently lose money when crafting mid or low end gear.

This process can be as complicated or as simple as you like depending on how many factors you want to work into it, but the bottom line is: are you getting $15 a month out of your play time?

I like to buy and sell and shop and trade and barter and negotiate. It's what I do for a living. So I don't mind sitting in town selling my AA at 3a per and then buying at 1.5a at night, or setting up buy shops on materials and then crafting items just to sell to the open market.

If you don't have the time, or the patience to enjoy that aspect of the game I say you grind out your AA and upgrade when you can, because crafting is kind of a headache if you aren't into that sort of thing.

There isn't much reason for a person in the above scenario to purchase AA because they likely won't have the extra money for it after porting and such, BUT if you are a die hard duo or soloist and grind in places that are profitable and material rich then you can certainly dump your hunted mats to a buy shop like mine, buy your AA from a sell shop and upgrade. Your margin won't be as good, but your time investment would be a lot less.

So what's your time worth and how do you enjoy spending it?
TS4DKIEL you have a great point there...BUT...
I'll take u to my case,which is one u haven't thought of (or left out)...
I usually go to Necropolis or Catas by myself...get some xtra xp and mats,+the seal stones aka AA...
the mats I give all to my clan so they can craft stuff for all the members...so I'm usually dressed/armored and using a weapon the clan crafted...I could surely sell AA for a x2 or x3 profit (and usually that's what I do), or use them for upgrading the weapon the clan made me...
So my question comes to the part of upgrading my weapon to BS of Mammon...is it worth it like that???
(given the fact that I don't have lots of time to play and usually won't let my PC in L2 as I need it for my work as well)
In this instance if you're using gear that's provided to you by the clan itself then I would discuss having the clan craft a top C weapon for you and selling the adena. The monsters you need to hunt for key mats can be found on various tables throughout the web...I lean toward www.l2 wh.com, but you can't see the ratios unless you donate (best $50 I ever spent) or contribute which is a violation of the EULA.

In this fashion you will have a several million in cash that you can provide to the clan with your AA sales and a good clan can come up with the materials to craft a top C weapon in pretty short order.

The argument could still be made that the materials themselves are worth enough to sell them, and sell the AA and buy a top C from elsewhere, but imo this requires a lot more sitting than a clan needs to be doing as a whole.

Since if they're hunting instead of selling mats they can make a larger profit hunting and keeping the materials than they do selling them. This is the case for most live players, and will be until the manor systems are up and in full effect in which case hunting just to sell the mats can be VERY lucrative. Enough so that keeping them to craft may not always be the best choice.