Its common now on Devianne to let a level 5 alt clan take a castle then war that alt clan remove all the rep points they got from taking the castle every 2 weeks.
This causes 2 problems. The main clan is never in danger of taking a 2000 rep point loss and if their level 5 alt clan takes a 2000 rep point loss it doesnt do anything they will just make another level 5 alt clan and do it again.
Something really needs to be done because it circumvents what rep points were intended for. I mean nothing ever is done about things that arent deemed exploited but go against why they were put into game.
Um... are you kidding?
It's alot easier just to level a bunch of alts to 40 than do this crap...
Oh, castle = 1k points. Two weeks with full buffs are more than enough time to level alts.
Oh, and never in danger of losing the castle? never in danger of losing rep points?
1) Defending clans cannot take a castle so they're outside to beigin with. They have to get inside by breaking a wall or the gate.
2) Is this the only alliance on the server trying to take a castle? When the alt clan gets in, so can the rest. If you see a guy/girl conveniently slithering through the defenders, target him. Once your in the room, if you see him/her casting interrupt it! Cast it yourself, by the time he gets back from 2-town land you'll have finished casting.
I didn't say that they may not lose those points as it is. What I'm saying is their are ways you can prevent it from happening.
And besides that, it's alot of work to do this.
oh yeah, and it's 1k to get a castle.
There should be a minimum existing time and minimum membersship for a clan to hold a castle, like
Clan must have existed for 6 months
Clan must have 40+ members
Still doable, but makes it harder, other restrictions could be applied.
6months! NO! No offence, but power changes hands very quickly in this game. Old clans are broken, and new ones formed everyday.
Why 40+ members? That will just make it tougher for real clans. Most likely the clans that can do this already have 40 members so their alt clan have what 40x7 or something like that if they really wanted.
IMO what the OP described doesn't sound so easy. You have to take a castle with an alt clan... I mean truthfully, it is their points, they should be able to do what they want with them...even though they aren't risking much at all.
And older clans should be rewarded to be able to do these things, if you're a brand new clan you shouldn't just be able to barge in with 1 member and a whole ton of support clans to take a castle circumventing the system.
Um... are you kidding?
It's alot easier just to level a bunch of alts to 40 than do this crap...
Oh, castle = 1k points. Two weeks with full buffs are more than enough time to level alts.
Oh, and never in danger of losing the castle? never in danger of losing rep points?
1) Defending clans cannot take a castle so they're outside to beigin with. They have to get inside by breaking a wall or the gate.
2) Is this the only alliance on the server trying to take a castle? When the alt clan gets in, so can the rest. If you see a guy/girl conveniently slithering through the defenders, target him. Once your in the room, if you see him/her casting interrupt it! Cast it yourself, by the time he gets back from 2-town land you'll have finished casting.
Rather than level up alts...keep leveling your mains higher and higher, making more and more money, and accomplish the same task. Two birds with one stone.
How pray tell, are you going to easily get 400 points besides level a char to 40 through academy?
Yes if you take a castle you should be able to do WHATEVER YOU WANT with the points. That's besides the point (ha ha point).
The issue is they are taking the points, but not losing them like they should because the clan getting the points (the one that takes them from the alt nobody clan), is not the one losing them. That's what isn't right.
As I stated, the ability to get points for your clan without sacrificing time on your mains is doubley powerful. Hence why it isn't easier to level alts when you can do this. The logical conclusion being that this manipulation of the system is unfair.
Losing sieges should not cause rep point loss and pvp should not award points when the enemy clan is at or below zero, but it should continue to take points away.
if i understand this correctly, you have an alt clan in the castle hoolding it. then you make them "defend" every siege. you then go to war and kill them till they have no more points or... did i get it wrong
And older clans should be rewarded to be able to do these things, if you're a brand new clan you shouldn't just be able to barge in with 1 member and a whole ton of support clans to take a castle circumventing the system.
Maybe 3 months.
If minimum time was implemented and someone was in a rush to make a new clan and take a castle then I have about 4 clans I can sell to you right now. All thanks to the clan ownership transfer. Hrm, all those guys with a bazillion spare sp could make and sell instant clans.
If minimum time was implemented and someone was in a rush to make a new clan and take a castle then I have about 4 clans I can sell to you right now. All thanks to the clan ownership transfer. Hrm, all those guys with a bazillion spare sp could make and sell instant clans.
I'm thinking we're already seeing mass noobie levelling for Rep points, and bogus clans in the catas.
How is this circumventing the system? A level 4 clan (not level 5) loses 2k points and has to be deleted. Sounds like a significant price is being paid for 1k points.
To be honest, I do not see anything wrong with that. It's not cheating, it's just adopting to new system. 2.000 points loss is harsh for clans that level legit way.
If you want to take their castle, why don't you do it with your own alt clan? Do the same and save your points for main clan to level it up etc.
Potential market for clan farming and exchanges is another question though ...
On Devianne, clans have been using alt clans to hold their castle for well over a year. Taking castles with an alt clan and farming the rep points is not the problem. In fact, i dont see how anyone can cry about something that is not even illegal.
The problem I see is clans botting their academy toons. NCSoft does not react quickly enough to botting in any form, and certainly will be unable to deal with this IMO.
Again, if these few major clans are taking castles over and over, make your own.
On Seighardt, an alliance called The Carebear Alliance took _ALL_ the castles because all the major clans joined it.
Well, a large group of smaller clans banded together, had one clan infiltrate the defending castles, and we took them down.
It's not impossible, you just have to be willing to do it.
Hate to say it but Rep Points are being abused on every server I'm sure.
Since the great majority of players remaining on Gustin are mostly cheating at the game it should come as no surprise that many clans on Gustin have several groups worth of tagged academy bots going from level 19-40 for reputation farming.
Unfortunately the community is in such a dire state right now that only a few ever attempted to prevent this and still many players who were honest continue to ignore what their clans do as long as it brings them advantages. This kind of behaviour is the downfall of every community within mmo's.