drop rates are too high

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i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



I dont think your joking but i think you may have just been dealt a lucky hand for drops.

Ive had no full item drops since C5 of anything above C grade. On my alt that i rolled when i took him to Necropolis of Sacrafice and got a heap of lower tier D grade itmes which i crushed anyways, nothing new here, it was like that before C5.
Hm, do you suggest they should mostly be spoilable then? Do I understand it correctly?
I am not sure how it is with spoiling full items - does that happen these chronicles? To be honest last time I heard about spoiling full item was C1 or C2 when friend shouted in teamspeak "Wow that dwarf in my party just said he spoiled tarbar".

Hm, do you suggest they should mostly be spoilable then? Do I understand it correctly?
I am not sure how it is with spoiling full items - does that happen these chronicles? To be honest last time I heard about spoiling full item was C1 or C2 when friend shouted in teamspeak "Wow that dwarf in my party just said he spoiled tarbar".


full item spoils are possible but obviously more rare than full drops since nearly everyone has had a full drop by 70 but very few dwarfs have spoiled one

i just suggest that the only way you should get an item is via a dwarf (should delete raid bosses while we are at it)


Hm, do you suggest they should mostly be spoilable then? Do I understand it correctly?
I am not sure how it is with spoiling full items - does that happen these chronicles? To be honest last time I heard about spoiling full item was C1 or C2 when friend shouted in teamspeak "Wow that dwarf in my party just said he spoiled tarbar".


full item spoils are possible but obviously more rare than full drops since nearly everyone has had a full drop by 70 but very few dwarfs have spoiled one

i just suggest that the only way you should get an item is via a dwarf (should delete raid bosses while we are at it)



No go die.

Hm, do you suggest they should mostly be spoilable then? Do I understand it correctly?
I am not sure how it is with spoiling full items - does that happen these chronicles? To be honest last time I heard about spoiling full item was C1 or C2 when friend shouted in teamspeak "Wow that dwarf in my party just said he spoiled tarbar".



Its funny you say that, because alot of the top D grade gear now is spoilable from certain mobs now.

Almost all the Gloves that complete top D grade sets are spoilable and i think if i remeber right that helmets for Top D grade are also spoilable.
Ive had more luck with C5 in full drops then C3-C4 together, still I dont know if it is pure luck or just increased rate.

Site-that-cannot-be-mentioned only shows a very small increase in drop rate so I just think you were lucky this time.
If you cut the full drop rate, then increase the key mats-basic mats rate to make people craft stuff more ;)


i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



I dont think your joking but i think you may have just been dealt a lucky hand for drops.




I concur.
Obviously I'm a lowbie now, so I haven't gotten much worth mentioning in C5. But I'm under the impression that nameless is also refering to C4 drops? In C4 I got a "Big Hammer", got a Phoenix necklace in a duo and I would have gotten a Nightmare Shield, had my inventory not been full :confused: I dont think this is unreasonable at all. -Other than I'd have liked to get more :p
I want imporvements to dwarves too. But I don't think everyone else should be "nerfed" to do that, just like dwarves got nerfed to benefit everyone else. Let's not do that again.
If you want high drop rates go back to c2 we would walk out of DVC every night with a top bgrade weapon or piece of armour guarnteed and you know what the market prices were actually good then.

Who remembers when a Sword of Dam or BoP was 24 - 28 mil? Now they are easily double that.
remove the dorfs... up the full drops

problem solved

No go die.



:chuckle: Seeing that I've spoiled only two full items in 47 levels, I'm with you on the no go die thing.
If you find yourself inundated with full drops and are simply too tired of collecting them, contact Pamean's free junk removal service!

I have a toon on every server names PameanWraith and will be hapopt to swing by and collect those heavily, overpopulous full drops that are slowing your xp progress.

Just send me an in-game email if NCS ever fixes it, or a PM here. I'll arrange the pickup at your location.

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



If you are so rich that your riches are just overflowing your pockets, would you care to share some of those riches with me?

No go die



In a fire.
Uhm, i think its just you who got a lucky hand in drops, through c3 and c4 i got like 2 full item drops, one d grade glove (it was aquired in HC with a party) and a Near Forrest Necklace from wasps in cruma marsh when my gf got like 10 blue buckskin boots and 7 leather gauntlets from cruma marsh then suddenly c5 hits and i get a Brigshield from Karuls in HV and artisan sword from HC, mind you the old c3 and c4 drops was on my dorf... though i still havent gotten any full item drops on my dorf in c5... the other two was on a gladdie, could it be racial and class structured too? hehe
(btw i didnt include the NG crap from mobs just outta starter town, everyone gets those :p )
Since C5, on my sub I have gotten an adamtite earring, full plate helmet and composite boots all from 60+ mobs. They do little more than pay for my soul shots. Do not mess with the drop rates, you must be smoking some serious stuff to say you are getting too many drops in Lineage.


No go die



In a fire.


lit by a dwarf.
i've yet to get a full drop other then a short bow or 1 time in the last 2+ years, a full plate boot

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



How do I say this... hmmm.. I think there is a french term:

Screw you! :cool:

I havn't had a drop since C2.
i have got a few D and NG drops, but i havent got any C or higer drops in years

i've yet to get a full drop other then a short bow or 1 time in the last 2+ years, a full plate boot


Just one boot? ****, I thought my luck was bad... :eek:
The best i can say i've gotten was a dwarven mace and that was back in prelude. :)

The best i can say i've gotten was a dwarven mace and that was back in prelude. :)



and how often do u play? :)

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously ...


Indeed, seriously sarcastic.


i've yet to get a full drop other then a short bow or 1 time in the last 2+ years, a full plate boot


Just one boot? ****, I thought my luck was bad... :eek:



yeah, since then, i've always had this spare boot laying around.... and i haven't been able to scam it off to someone else.
I agree, drop rates that are set to somewhere around 1/478,923 are to low.
actually i wouldnt count my luck as being that great (ignoreing NG)
apart from the 40 or 50 blue buckskin boots i got on my main and my alts all i got was av robes and bw light
my sub however has gotten 4 full weapon drops 10 armor pieces above C grade and 16 pieces of jewlery above D grade

listing 4 ppl i know (includeing me and my friends duel box) hunting at vos for 10 lvls between us we have got 7 full weapons 6 pieces of armor (4 of them bw tunics) 17 bw tunic recs and 27 other recs (majestic jewlery, new C5 weapons and A grade armor)

try and keep in mind L2 is not a solo game if you want a full item every few minuets go play WOW or dungeons and dragons where a 5 minuet quest gives better rewards than we get for 6 months work

i propose a global increase in all spoils (includeing full items) and a nerfing of all full drops and rec drops
This thread is Asinine. Someone kill it before the officials see it and nerf the drops even further.

I don't know about others, but the last time I had a full item drop above D grade was at least a good 5 months ago. It wasn't a stinking weapon either. The last time I gottan a Full Weapon above NG grade was at least 15 months ago. A whooping Heavy Sword - D grade.

Whoopty Friggin Doo

It's kind of like having your child come up to you and complain that the amount of allowance at 0.50c a week they recieve is too much and to please give them less allowance.

Or having the student remind the Teacher he forgot to assign Homework for the day.

Nobody likes that.
craft rates are to high. Please make all A and S grade only a 20% craft rate. Also make them take as many materials as they currently use now at 60%.

craft rates are to high. Please make all A and S grade only a 20% craft rate. Also make them take as many materials as they currently use now at 60%.



Yes!!!

Now this idea, I love!


craft rates are to high. Please make all A and S grade only a 20% craft rate. Also make them take as many materials as they currently use now at 60%.


yup
that in conjunction with lower drops and higher spoils is definately the way to go
Last full drop I had was the first week of C4. Heavy avadon gaiters drop.

Last weapon drop was in C2, and it was D grade. Last jewelry drop (not counting the newbie jewelry you get in the level 1-7 monsters) was in Prelude, and it was top NG.
@ Nameless1

You are just lucky so dont boost about it.

Some of us have not seen a c-grade weapon or higher drops in years..

Oooh btw, No-one likes bragging. (Opens door to Hell and points out the way for braggers).

Now as I am to understand we can't flame on these boards and we are to make constructive comments.
So here is mine: Step this way?

Oooh btw, No-one likes bragging. (Opens door to Hell and points out the way for braggers).


lol
not bragging im quite serious
the amount of drops me and 3 ppl got would have been enough to supply a full low lvl clan
dont know about you but id rather see that money go to some poor gimp dwarf than whatever class can kill a mob the fastest
Well you make a good point there, that the fastest killing machines get the best drops in the end too.

But how to unbreak this unbalance, nerfing the rates will still get those classes get the most drops, although they would be more rare.
OMG...."I'm getting too many drops - help me!!!"......gimme a break. I Can't remember the last full drop i got above D grade. think it was a tower shield - and that was quite awhile ago. Have gotten a few d grade jewels and oddball armor pieces but thats to be expected now.


OMG...."I'm getting too many drops - help me!!!"......gimme a break. I Can't remember the last full drop i got above D grade. think it was a tower shield - and that was quite awhile ago. Have gotten a few d grade jewels and oddball armor pieces but thats to be expected now.



tell your clan to let you out of giran!!!
LOL....
Drop rates too high is like having a car drive over you and you complain it wasn't heavy enough. Come on now.. a small groups luck doesn't make up for the vast majority of people who have gotten little to nothing of any worth as a drop in this game.
Aside from d grade, my 2 best drops across 13 characters are an earring of black ore and an emi bow.

I've played since the day c1 went live and there are plenty who have played longer. I've played many a long hour across the various hunting grounds in this game and my full drop rewards would essentially pay for my shots for a month.. maybe (depends which toon) if I sold them all at best possible price.

Glad you were lucky but I'd rather NOT have to pay 3x the current price now for the items I can't get drop.

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



OMG Just shut IT!

This should be listsed as the DUMBEST POST OF THE YEAR award!
Well, I have to agree with the OP. HIS drop rate is far too high. I strongly urge NCS to lower the probablity of drops for nameless1 and anyone he parties with. He is obviously getting too many drops.

In the order of balance, I propose the the drop rate reduction given to nameless1 and his partymates be redistributed as a drop rate INCREASE to the rest of us who are having a hell of a difficult time getting drops.


Thank you.

Well, I have to agree with the OP. HIS drop rate is far too high. I strongly urge NCS to lower the probablity of drops for nameless1 and anyone he parties with. He is obviously getting too many drops.

In the order of balance, I propose the the drop rate reduction given to nameless1 and his partymates be redistributed as a drop rate INCREASE to the rest of us who are having a hell of a difficult time getting drops.


Thank you.


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Well, I have to agree with the OP. HIS drop rate is far too high. I strongly urge NCS to lower the probablity of drops for nameless1 and anyone he parties with. He is obviously getting too many drops.

In the order of balance, I propose the the drop rate reduction given to nameless1 and his partymates be redistributed as a drop rate INCREASE to the rest of us who are having a hell of a difficult time getting drops.


Thank you.


I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.



lol
o.O
I have played over 600 levels(if I add all my chars) and I have gout..umm...between 5-10 full item drops, most of them D-grade. I cant realy se how that can be to much drops >.<


Oooh btw, No-one likes bragging. (Opens door to Hell and points out the way for braggers).


lol
not bragging im quite serious
the amount of drops me and 3 ppl got would have been enough to supply a full low lvl clan
dont know about you but id rather see that money go to some poor gimp dwarf than whatever class can kill a mob the fastest



On your sub, you are a nuker. All nukers get all their own drops, and your killing the same mobs that melee have to group up to kill. Also, you are in VoS which is genereally not populated with tons of boats, hence the drop rate is probably a little higher.

Call me whatever you want, but when they got rid of the bots in patriots, I saw more full drops quicker than usual. Same thing in the other cats/ necros I have hunted in on my sub. You nukers need to party more and get that 1/5-1/9 of a chance for the full drop.

The only people that think this game has too high of a drop/craft rate are the people who have found other means to set themselves up. Do not forget where you came from, playing well into the 20's and possibly 30's in NG because you couldn't afford the D grade gear. What you are proposing seems to be aristocratic and preposterous.
actually i'm gonna agree and add something.. not to be a ******** but its pure idiocy! In 20 lvls above C grade i havent had 1 c grade drop at all, no jewelry, no armor piece, no weapons barely any form of keymats and only 1 recipe worth while (BW helm 100%.. at my 59th lvl :P ) which i immediately added to my book. AND i hunt in area's that arent very populated with bots most of the time (not even populated with normal live players, lol)
If you're getting too much drops for your taste and it makes you this unhappy i suggest that you (again not to be a ********) go to a shrink and talk about your obvious l2 problems and leave the rest of us who work our butts off to get a single piece alone!
Man some of you have really bad luck. In OB-C2 drops were slim pickings for me but I get a full drop every few weeks now and I don't play that much.


Man some of you have really bad luck. In OB-C2 drops were slim pickings for me but I get a full drop every few weeks now and I don't play that much.


ellie agrees
drop rates are too high



Man some of you have really bad luck. In OB-C2 drops were slim pickings for me but I get a full drop every few weeks now and I don't play that much.


ellie agrees
drop rates are too high



He is not saying that.
ok heres my suggestion.
1. leave drop rates as they are
2. create new armour sets that are craftable only and make the stats slightly higher
3. make the major parts for 2. spoilable only

have fun



Man some of you have really bad luck. In OB-C2 drops were slim pickings for me but I get a full drop every few weeks now and I don't play that much.


ellie agrees
drop rates are too high



As far as i can see EllieBelly didnt specificly agree with you, more as stating some of us has really bad luck. And even if that was the case its you two and how many that disagrees? As far as i'm concerned you're still smoking some heavy stuff, lol
Sounded to me like Ellie agreed with him. But 2 people getting great drops doesn't counter that the rest of us are getting squat.
I think overall that folks might be forgetting the math side of the full-drop tables. When something drops 1 time in 2000---that's pretty ****ed rare per player.
Lol--until 2 weeks ago I thought full drops had been disconnected in C5! Then I got 2 fairly good ones (for my level)--a divine bottom (C-grade) from Treant Elders in EV and an elven ring from scavenger rat thingys in death pass. One on one night and the other the next night.
They are very random and capricious per player. Across the whole server though, I agree with this OP that the sheer number of mobs killed produces numbers of these items that bleed back into the market and relatively devalue dwarves.
Overall I'd argue that basic mats should prob decrease, full drops decrease a bit, and adena INCREASE a bit (as a curb on inflation).
the best C5 drop i ever had was a ring of ages from them goobers in the forest of mirrors.

that was nigh on the beginning of C5 and i havent gotten much more since.

opening chests (if that counds) i have gotten 1 ewd last week, but craptacular else since.

combined, those two items havent paid for shots.


Well, I have to agree with the OP. HIS drop rate is far too high. I strongly urge NCS to lower the probablity of drops for nameless1 and anyone he parties with. He is obviously getting too many drops.

In the order of balance, I propose the the drop rate reduction given to nameless1 and his partymates be redistributed as a drop rate INCREASE to the rest of us who are having a hell of a difficult time getting drops.


Thank you.


I like your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.



Id like to subscibe to that news letter to use as back up toilet papper. j/king :D

In all seriousness, last Weapon drop i got was in branded, crystalized ice bow and that was in C3.

Since then, the amount of alts i have is insane and ive run 6 toons through Branded in nothing but pole arm groups using 2 - 3 rooms at a time since C3 and i have seen only 1 item drop during my whole time since which was a (1) Comp armor.

So i tend to agree with this, nameless1 should have his drop rate looked at........

Overall I'd argue that basic mats should prob decrease, full drops decrease a bit, and adena INCREASE a bit (as a curb on inflation).




Don't mean to go too off topic but this would do the exact opposite of curbing inflation. Less mats and more adena means mats will cost More adena which will in turn make weapons and armor cost more as well. So instead of fixing inflation it would make it much worse.

I recently got a Crystal Dagger drop in C5, before then I've gotten a couple Brig helmets and other lowbie stuff in C3-C4. I don't think drop rates are too high, i'd say they are just right.
Boils down to dwarven greed....anything to put more adena in their lil pockets.

o.O
I have played over 600 levels(if I add all my chars) and I have gout ..umm...between 5-10 full item drops, most of them D-grade. I cant realy se how that can be to much drops >.<



You should seek medical assistance.
Another...Oh woe is me, I picked a dwarf and I'm an idiot...please make my class better because I can't kill worth a **** to get drops...make my dwarf better.

Drops are just fine. C4 drops: 1xAdamantite necklace, 2x adamantite earrings C5 drops: Compostite armor, Zubei Helmet, Crystallized Ice bow

Those were earned with my TH and my WS. The warsmith crushed the B grade jewels and made shots. Sold the zubei, still deciding what to do with the others.

These are all nice, and considering how much I play, yeah, it's about right.

My TH = money sink. My WS = money maker. I EASILY make 20 mil a night selling shots in Goddard. I'll be making even more when she hits 62 and can craft S grade shots.

Dwarves SUCK in PvP except in the arena. Too bad. You knew that when you got it...they are for making money and that's it and they do that rather well. BHs? Hell, my clan BH is making a crapload in Beast farm spoiling helmet recs. So he spoils maybe one ever two days...what other toon can make 60 mil in 2 days? Too low to make good money? Find an SE to duo with, put away the crap blunt and grab a polearm. My WS went from 40 to 55 in 5 days, just by polearming.

Quit whining, quit being arrogant and trying to ruin the game for everyone else. The only thing that should be gotten rid of is your (OP) ability to post.

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



36 levels in C5 so far and no complete item drops (I'm not counting the NG enchanted rings and boots that all low level noobs get on a regular basis.)

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws






Just joshing nameless1 =)


i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws






Just joshing nameless1 =)



You have good code breaking skills. Kinda like that guy from A Beautiful Mind.

That made me lol though.


I think overall that folks might be forgetting the math side of the full-drop tables. When something drops 1 time in 2000---that's pretty ****ed rare per player.


i kill 3-4k of mobs a day. still think 1 in 2000 is rare?



My TH = money sink. My WS = money maker. I EASILY make 20 mil a night selling shots in Goddard. I'll be making even more when she hits 62 and can craft S grade shots.


next time you wanna start spouting lies try not to do it to a crafter as high lvl as me
this post is meant to be fun (remember are suggestions will never be implemented but the second someone starts spewing [censored] like that its not funny
WS spends more money lvling than a TH
WS cannot make 20 mil a night makeing shots (unless you count the 5 or 10 days you spent crafting them)



I think overall that folks might be forgetting the math side of the full-drop tables. When something drops 1 time in 2000---that's pretty ****ed rare per player.


i kill 3-4k of mobs a day. still think 1 in 2000 is rare?



My TH = money sink. My WS = money maker. I EASILY make 20 mil a night selling shots in Goddard. I'll be making even more when she hits 62 and can craft S grade shots.


next time you wanna start spouting lies try not to do it to a crafter as high lvl as me
this post is meant to be fun (remember are suggestions will never be implemented but the second someone starts spewing [censored] like that its not funny
WS spends more money lvling than a TH
WS cannot make 20 mil a night makeing shots (unless you count the 5 or 10 days you spent crafting them)



Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.

Shop setup: 100000 A-SS, 50,000 ABSPS

A-SS for 93 A = 9.3KK
ABSPS for 345 A = 17.25KK

A-SS Crafting cost: (300A per Soul Ore 12500 A crys) 7,766,667
ABSPS Crafting cost (480 per Spirit Ore 12500 A crys) 14,650,000

Total Profit: 4,133,333

****...never calculated out that much before LOL, thank goodness I buy most of my A crystals with AA that I earn (AA market sucks on Kain) But I was looking at the gross profit not net. But craft once, sell while I'm sleeping and at work, I can usually sell all in a couple days. Not bad for only a couple hours of real work.

And also...you REALLY need to play a TH if you think they level cheaper than a WS. Pulling trains with my WS I'll spend very few shots to level (killing 8 mobs at a time, hit all 8 use one SS) whereas, when I'm leveling my TH, I'll easily eat through 30K A-SS in a couple hours. (yay, over 800 attack speed)

having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.



Split between six people the profit then trickles down to ... less than a million?

You don't "make" 20 million if you don't count your bloody investment ... by that logic selling for cheaper than you buy would be making money.


Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.


clearly a ws is a money making class



Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.


clearly a ws is a money making class



lol



Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.


clearly a ws is a money making class


rofl... and BH are money maker too? lol lol lol...


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Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.


clearly a ws is a money making class


rofl... and BH are money maker too? lol lol lol...


yeah but you need to replace a few of the se's with a couple of daggers and a bd
:p One SE, one BD, and a romp at the beast farm.

Ca-tching.

And when that BH makes 20 mil, it'll be profit, not turnover.
what is the spoil rate of a rec A at beast farm? i don't know, but i think it's around 1/1000 or 1/1500. Which mobs spoil it? i dunno, but i know there is 4 lvl for each mob and 2 type (fighter and melee) for each and only 1 of them spoils recipe i want... so.. if we are lucky and we know the lvl but still 1/2 to have to right type.
(1/1000) / 2 = 1/2000
time to kill 1 mob : around 10 sec (yeah we are fast...)
time to kill 2000 mob : around 20 000 sec ~ 5h30
we are 3 in the party, i divide 20m per 3 = 6.6m
and i don't count SS used...

5h30 for 6.6m... everyone who play with the market, makes more than that...

so i ask again : BH are money maker?

i dunno, but i know there is 4 lvl for each mob and 2 type (fighter and melee) for each and only 1 of them spoils recipe i want... so.. if we are lucky and we know the lvl but still 1/2 to have to right type.




It's worse than that.

There is a single form of the 1/2x HP.
There are eight forms of the 1x HP (2 mage and 2 melee for each of the 2 spices)
There are eight forms of the 2x HP (2 mage and 2 melee for each of the 2 spices)
There are 2 forms of the 4x HP (mage and melee) which are the same regardless of spice.

So each monster has 19 possible forms, each with different spoil tables. Also, you only have a 50% chance of getting a monster to 4x, the other half of the time it tames.

Some of the recs spoil on 4x forms so you just need to know which monster (buffalo, cougar, etc.) and which type (mage, melee) and you can spoil them easily.

Some spoil on 2x forms so you need to know which monster, which type, which spice, and then you have a 1:2 chance that you got the "correct" one.

Unless there are duplicates in the spoils, there are no 1x or 1/2x that spoil A helmet recipes.



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Spouting lies? I think maybe you need to get some friends then. When I craft shots, I'll craft 600K in a few hours. It's called having a PP for Acumen, 4 SEs and a EE recharging you.


clearly a ws is a money making class


rofl... and BH are money maker too? lol lol lol...


yeah but you need to replace a few of the se's with a couple of daggers and a bd



Nameless1 (and the crowd) vs Onysomethingicant rememberlol 1-0

In profits you don't count your investment, period, what you do count is whatever money you have over After the breaking even point. 4 SE's an EE and acument or whatever that setup was? yay good for you that you can have such support, have a cookie and the share the gross profit with them as thats what you seem to be counting and see how much you make then. Without that massive support your profits wont be that great.. and Even with that you will NEVER make 20m a night on shots, period. i wont pretend to be as high crafter as nameless1 (actually i dont know their lvl, lol) but as a 60 WS i still have crafted a considerable ammount of shots and other stuff (everything i have gearwise cause i couldnt bloody afford to buy the stuff outright) and know a fair deal of what i'm talking about. I have a gf with 2 SE's and we both still have troubles making all our economies go even up. Any profit i make from my crafting i share with her and any profit we get from manoring together she shares with me and yet its still **** hard to make the economy go around.

Know what you get for PvP and difficulty getting parties etc and being an idiot for picking one? Yeah right! is that your main? had you ever played something else than a dorf before? Did you know anything about the game at all before picking it? I had to have an NCsoft account in order to get on to this board and do some more researching about the general idea on how dorfs was, other than that i had to rely on the library's class description. I couldnt possibly had imagined how hard it would be for me when i picked my dorf as main. A TH is more expensive to level than a dorf?
how about you start using them under equal conditions and see how that goes, more expensive than a dorf my ***. Even if it was a blunt and not a dagger you'd use on the dorf to get the mastery bonuses on damage on both chars the dorf would be screwed compared to the TH stun or no stun and even more screwed as dorf with dagger though lvl slightly faster with the attackspeed bonus on the weapon. Anyone can use a dagger, anyone can use a pole, anyone can use a blunt, poling and daggering(YES i just made a new word :p ) are two completely different ways of leveling and are in no way comparable so just leave that idea at the door. When the SE is raised alongside your dorf you don't pull 3 cata/necro rooms at a time until you get atleast vr3 as you're likely to only be duo'ing with that person considering a WS's problems getting other parties and at lvl bloody 17 (which is where i got my first pole) and lvl 20 (when i first could enter a catacomb) you wont have a high lvl buffer to let you pull half an area at your beck and call for buffs and heals outta party.

WS's we dont make money in loads unless we're the average afkshop at fulltime, period. And even then its not alot per day if you really count it overtime. We make enough to break even for leveling and thats about it. BH's wont make money until they can spoil those recs. Without all that outside help you're nothing and calling others idiots cause they dont have that outside help... That is whats arrogant

The idea of lowering droprates even as its an idea for fun, not serious i will still disagree. Other than that of previous said opinions of offtopics that shouldnt even be in this thread i will agree with nameless1 completely





Oooooohh... look.. a shiney apprientices earring i havent seen that since c3... :D
Wasting AA for A crystals? Why spend 45k on one crystal instead of 10-13k market price? That's how it is on Gustin at least.

Boils down to dwarven greed....anything to put more adena in their lil pockets.



First of all our pockets are not lil! you carrry 200k+ shots in your pockets huh? lol :D.
Seriously though among dorfs warsmiths atleast are not easy to play in any way, moneywise nor leveling wise, I wont say too much about BH's but i can imagine it doesnt get all too easy to make money until higher lvls and top grade gear for their level either


One SE, one BD, and a romp at the beast farm.

Ca-tching.

And when that BH makes 20 mil, it'll be profit, not turnover.



point i was trying to make was that BH make adena exactly like a WS does, meaning you need 5+ ppl following you around supporting you and taking nothing for themselves


i wont pretend to be as high crafter as nameless1 (actually i dont know their lvl, lol) but as a 60 WS i still have crafted a considerable ammount of shots and other stuff (everything i have gearwise cause i couldnt bloody afford to buy the stuff outright) and know a fair deal of what i'm talking about. I have a gf with 2 SE's and we both still have troubles making all our economies go even up. Any profit i make from my crafting i share with her and any profit we get from manoring together she shares with me and yet its still **** hard to make the economy go around.



for starters i dont think the lvl of my main has anything to do with what i know about crafters (prolly as much as 5 ppl higher lvl than me)

what i do think gives me a unique insight to the dwarven race is the lvl of my subclass and my se
for starters as gimp as healers claim to be they still have more pve power than the average dwarf
when a dwarf claims to make alot of money makeing shots what they are really saying is their recharger makes alot of money
a lvl 40 crafter with a lvl 40 recharger can make more shots per hour than a lvl 80 dwarf (private craft FTW?)

while ppl claim that necro is an expensive class (my subclass) and WS is a money makeing class i make more adena per day on my necro than i do on my crafter, on top of that i get about 5x the xp and can actually compete in pvp

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic



Then you're either high, or completely insane.


point i was trying to make was that BH make adena exactly like a WS does, meaning you need 5+ ppl following you around supporting you and taking nothing for themselves



One person is the bare minimum, but I'm sure you can expand it as necessary - and yes, dwarves need help to make money. Or boxing, which, I suppose, is just helping yourself.
Like I can't help myself to laugh @ this stupid thread?

i know everyone is gonna think im just jokeing or being sarcastic but seriously they are
ive lost track of all the full drops ive got so far on my sub and every rec or full item that drops is one less spoil for a bh and 1 less craft for a ws



Last full drop I got was a Short Spear, on C2...