Though part of me is wondering if you would want to use a faster casting set just in case the spell fails and you have to get another spell off quickly.
I don't really believe in CDL for PvE so I've only tried it a few times before I said "screw you guys... I'm going home" (or back to town as the case may be :) )
At lower levels CDL in Demon was great. You could 1 shot those gargoyle mobs in DVC that way and they are neither aggro nor social.
At high level CDL in demon is tricky since most mobs have ranged attacks and it will be challenging to find mobs that are neither social nor aggro and that can be 1-shot. If you can't 1-shot mobs in a high spawn area it will be tough to beat the XP you will get in other ways. CDL in demon is, IMO, only useful at high levels for raids.
For necros, the combo of Demon set, gloom, and anchor should enable very good XP with 5X mobs using Death Spike. Try the Disciples in WoA.
I would only do it in C4 in an area with no social and no agro to minor agro. In C5, absolutely no way. You can't use sleep to fix a "whoops cdl failed" any more so you need speed. IMO
sorry for the short posts its what i usually do at the end of the week so i have stuff to read on mondays
im more interested in the -hp that demon set has
since cdl damage is based on what % of hp you have and not the actual number how effective is it to actually use the set?
for example: you can 1 hit a mob with 200 hp but if you get bless body you can do the same with 400 hp
thus the opposit would have to be true you can 1 hit with 200 hp, wearing demon you would need 100 hp (ignoreing int bonus)
it probobly won't matter to you, but I'm CDL'ing with Demon.
I try keeping my HP less than 50 to get the max effect out of it. Then again, my necro is only 54, not 60+
ps: you know you can B2M yourself to 0 HP for a few seconds and not die? :p
it probobly won't matter to you, but I'm CDL'ing with Demon.
I try keeping my HP less than 50 to get the max effect out of it. Then again, my necro is only 54, not 60+
ps: you know you can B2M yourself to 0 HP for a few seconds and not die?
well it gets a bit trixxy at higher lvls because of the amount of hp needed to btm
currently btm uses 300+ hp so if i need 200 hp to 1 hit thats basically half my nukeing time spent standing around
i used to intentionally go overweight so i could keep my hp lower for longer but these days i dont usually cdl due to lag so im just curious really
want to trust a pro? when I played my Necro I used to CDL alot...which was why it took me so long to lvl.(I used zubie from 52-59 when I started to leach to 61, M atk isn't better)
speed set up > int for it. and for a few reasons.
first gear. you need a minium of +4 wit +4 con, +3(atlest) int.
fast casting robe set, DC, avadon.
and a weapon at 61+ that has base M atk higher then 152(thats base, so that meens +3 SoM)
if your 52+ use a +3 wizards tear W/ acumen.(homu works as well at +8ish, but you can't carry as much Bsps, and the cost isn't as effective for cost saving)
BtM lvl 5 (at 68) takes 366 HP for 65 MP. (pain of saggittarius is 378 hp for 49 mp max lvl btw)
reason being. as ellie has said sleep neirf. you have nothing as a Necro for them oh sh*t other then fear which tends to fail.
I newst to take a PP with me to WoA's and have them root/ zerk mobs, and sometime heal me after a buff round and got my MP back up to full, with emp scroll, this worked really good.
Minium/Max HP you want is 300-500... between there you can CDL with near max protential only lossing maybe about 200 give or take if that much from your dmg out put.
Using self heal with sps, and BtM you can self sastian your mp thro BtM and vamp claw. Note: I'm not sure how good vamp claw is any more cause of the C5 increase to MP useage.
it is far more importent, specailly now that sleep is nierfed that you need cast speed, it's more helpfull in dangerious situations. (2+ mobs on you) and for cool down, your BtM/ CDL/ DS, and fear will cool off alot fast the higher your cast speed.
given that you have a +3 SoM W/acumen and emp, you will have enough M atk to deal out 2 CDL before a mob can get to you (killing them). but at 68+ you can DS 3 times still killing the mobs, and have a higher chance to live, while the cost is higher. it's well worth it, rather then dieing and needing a Brez.
I almost forgot:
The higher your base HP is the more dmg you will do by CDL, how ever BtB will not effect it cause BtB does not effect base HP.
demon lowers your base HP, which will effect how much dmg you will do from CDL.
I would only do it in C4 in an area with no social and no agro to minor agro. In C5, absolutely no way. You can't use sleep to fix a "whoops cdl failed" any more so you need speed. IMO
Admittedly off topic, but......
That sleep nerf is a b*tch! I re-rolled a human wizard and decided to learn the spell just to see how slow it is to cast at lower levels without benefit of armor cast speed bonuses, +4/+5 Wit modifiers, acumen SA's, and other outside buffs/dances. [censored]!!! With just Acumen 3 pots, it takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r-! to cast that spell.
If I ever pull my SH out of mothball, I'm pretty sure that will be the first spell that I remove from my hotbar. I certainly wouldn't think of CDL'ing in C5.
Yeah no joke, I rolled an EE in C5 and I forgot their sleep is super slow, I took on some mobs for a class change quest and I was like ummmm hmmmm... 7 seconds later sleep casts.
Yeah no joke, I rolled an EE in C5 and I forgot their sleep is super slow, I took on some mobs for a class change quest and I was like ummmm hmmmm... 7 seconds later sleep casts.
just wondering if anyone thinks the -hp of demon might have an effect
I think that demon lowers base HP, If I remember right.
if it's not base HP your fine. how ever even if it is the ++ int you get is really good.
but the - to WIT hurts bad!
demon is a good set don't get me wrong, but with out a acumen weapon your going to cast too slow.
and to CDL in a set that has your cast speed so slow is painfull to watch.
Personally I think armor sets like demon, and nightmare are best in the hads of SpS and no other class for nukers. They seem like they where built for that class.
Just an fyi, CDL'd power is based off how low your HP is compared to your max HP at the time. Demon set is -HP, which even though its +INT, really defeats the whole purpose... cause yoru nukers will hit for a lot less cause your total max HP will be lower.
Stick with Karm for CDLing.
And...
I almost forgot:
The higher your base HP is the more dmg you will do by CDL, how ever BtB will not effect it cause BtB does not effect base HP.
demon lowers your base HP, which will effect how much dmg you will do from CDL.
Ummm...
CDL power = % of current HP Vs. Max HP....
You are very wrong here. The power of CDL is based off how low % wise yoru HP is to the MAX HP your character has at the time, not his Base HP. Trust me, I have CDLd with base HP and CDLed with BTB6 and the difference is significant. from levels 52 --> 75, I would say at least 15 of those levels were pure CDL, so I have quite a bit experience with this, and even for the hell of it, one time I got Song of Vitality, BTB6 and POF on top of it just for kicks to see how High my damage output can go, and its pretty ugly. =)
Just an fyi, CDL'd power is based off how low your HP is compared to your max HP at the time. Demon set is -HP, which even though its +INT, really defeats the whole purpose... cause yoru nukers will hit for a lot less cause your total max HP will be lower.
Stick with Karm for CDLing.
And...
Quote:
I almost forgot:
The higher your base HP is the more dmg you will do by CDL, how ever BtB will not effect it cause BtB does not effect base HP.
demon lowers your base HP, which will effect how much dmg you will do from CDL.
Ummm...
CDL power = % of current HP Vs. Max HP....
You are very wrong here. The power of CDL is based off how low % wise yoru HP is to the MAX HP your character has at the time, not his Base HP. Trust me, I have CDLd with base HP and CDLed with BTB6 and the difference is significant. from levels 52 --> 75, I would say at least 15 of those levels were pure CDL, so I have quite a bit experience with this, and even for the hell of it, one time I got Song of Vitality, BTB6 and POF on top of it just for kicks to see how High my damage output can go, and its pretty ugly. =)
yup
this is the point im trying to make (guess it takes a carebear to understand a carebear :P)
even though the demon set has +int you lose damage with the set because it lowers your overall hp and therefore you need to have lower hp to do the same damage
not sure what the numbers are like but when you factor in the -wit it makes demon set completely unusable for cdling